Grateful Dead

I need to get a turntable methinks. Sixtus

Yes this is a great vinyl release. But I was left scrambling to finally buy last year's Limited Edition 180 gram print. Limited edition, never to be seen again like the Sunshine Daydream vinyl? Is this years Fillmore RSD vinyl release truly limited? Or not until it sells out. Sneaky way to sell product. Let's just be truthful here Rhino. Either it's limited edition or not. Alternative color, artwork, 140 gram? C'mon it's not being truthful upfront to advertise last year's release as limited edition. It's all a money grab and very un Grateful Dead like way to conduct business.

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What are the ‘Gratful Dead Rules’ for conducting business?I didn’t know such rules existed reijo. Please post a link to said rules so that I can read them. reijo is right about the money grab. $120 seems a little high for 140g vinyl when 2-27-69 on 180g vinyl was $80,

Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but what's an "alternative color-way"?

Understanding this 2nd printing is barely a slightly different animal but not enough to rationalize plunking down for the first release which (we now realize falsely) advertised as what was supposed to be a “limited edition.” Considering that, this 2nd printing is an unwelcome surprise and buyers should forever beware making any future “limited edition” purchases again. Lame, cynical, deceptive move by Rhino. Boo!

... and where the f*** is MY kaleidoscope? No such perk avail when purchasing the first, no longer truly “limited” edition.

Can we get alternative coloring for FW69 CD boxset?

Think I'll just wait for the third of fourth pressings. Maybe the alternative color-ways will be more appealing then.

Cheaper on Amazon! $94.69 https://www.amazon.com/Cornell-5-8-77-5LP/dp/B07B64T9YW/ref=ntt_mus_ep_…

They are the ones who set the prices, not GD and you don't get the mandala if you order from Amazon...

I think Rhino would be ok selling the fw69 box again but made a mistake when they put it out not thinking there would be such a great demand. Since then they have been very specific about they word the releases. I am glad they are putting this out. I would rather have the 180 gram but it was too much to order the same time as the cds last year. More music is nothing to be angry about.

It isn't that difficult, really. They said back in 1995 that they'd never perform again as the Grateful Dead. Then they did. They called it a limited edition. Then, it wasn't. And not the first time--they put out more Spring 1977 Tour CD's last year after the "limited edition" sold out. Again, it isn't that difficult. If you say that you will, or will not, do something, then you should live up to your words, and that includes the spirit, not just the letter, of your words. And so not including issue numbers on the second wave of Spring '77 box sets to skirt a "limited release" promise is BS, as is this release. If they'd included bonus tracks, that would have been incrementally better, but still better, if not justifiable. This really reeks. I want to hear the music--that's the only thing I care about. I don't care whether the records are last year's pressing or this latest, presuming the quality is the same. I'm just as happy with homemade CD's as originals, because they sound the same. What I don't like is being tricked and lied to. I went through tremendous sweats and hassles and panic last year (remember all the problems on release day, when the system melted down and no orders could get through) to make sure I'd get my copy. Now this. Quit doing these limited editions. Release whatever it is to whatever fanfare feels appropriate, and if there's a market for it, as everyone knew there would be for Cornell, just make more without making everyone who stayed up late and kept trying and trying and trying to place orders, as was the case with lots of folks last year, feel like they've been hosed. And if they're going to do it for Cornell, they should do it for every release, including Dick's Picks and 30 Trips Around the Sun and Europe 1972 and the other "limited releases" that are going for crazy money on eBay. I wouldn't want my name associated with business practices like this. What's left of the band should, I think, get involved to the extent possible and demand changes. I understand it's a business. I understand it's not like it was back in the day. But I also know right from wrong, and this is wrong. Very sad.

Dylan has slwaus made it clears he’s funding trusts for his grandkids but Dead? come on boys $140 for D& C medium seats only good tix special acksges st $20” m. up in iMA nests Fenway( my moon seats were $70?) but burning vinyl n calling it limited edition then printing more is slap in farce of wealthier buyers n that’s not as Ded value well i won’t buy bs “limited editions” esp w quantities laughsable - ! feels note like calling a Ford Explorer(ok ok Toyota Sequioa) “limite w 20k copies ( when’s collectible value iin 50 years on ebay? n whose buying for that BS reason?) it’s one thing to estimate sa press w preorders tis flies in face of every voiced Jerry view on musics innate need to be shared as art not a. ommodity (nor free either ) and i’d bet were he alive he’d be telling all to buy bootlegs - feels like Rhino “suits” grabbing cash wile some of the boys still alive n maybe to them note $ ethan cd dilemma outweighs family heirs $ legacy needs? It’s maybe not new issue totally given tours limited shows stuff dr but.. it’s unDeadly to pawn off biz arms lack of ethical guideposts (?) - sure! nobody’s forcing us to buy $120 5 lo set -i’ll boycott until these are priced at $75 or less 5LPs cost maybe $40-45 tops -even though it is is truly a great show ( it’s NOT their best- close maybe - but it’s maybe among top 20 of best! Too bad Dicks picks quality sound tech at time they came out was so inferior too newer tech that punches up sound on Dave’s-picks but why not reissue of best 10 Dicks -would make more n do more for sharing their great shows if that were bigger part of goal !! - in fact DPs 25 is arguably as good as Cornell 5/8 (no arguments please it’s opinion) n u can get DP 25 for $15 not vinyl maybe - .i got CD of 5/8/77 for $20 -,so screw it! Love the music loathe the money merchants even tho they do deserve every penny (not their suits who add zero or 3% value.. in my humble opinion) Hey now trying to be positive but calling our BS is pos some times hey ?

Huh? What? I think I get the gist of this... The limited model has always been lame. Especially when stuff is reprinted.

Just as incomprehensible as ever

A money grab to the highest degree shame on you RHINO

And just what I needed this morning. The Peach never disappoints.

If your trying to make money maybe recorded music might not be the best bet. I buy what I want to listen too and all the rest is bullshit.

This is in response to whomever said he/she was unaware of any rules governing GD business conduct. Here's what the band wrote to fans after idiots broke down fences to get into a 1995 show for free: "The spirit of the Grateful Dead is at stake, and we'll do what we have to do to protect it. And when you hear somebody say 'Fuck you, we'll do what we want,' remember something. That applies to us, too. Phil, Jerry, Bobby, Mickey, Billy and Vince" There's also this, from the Skull and Roses album many years earlier: "DEAD FREAKS UNITE. Who are you? Where are you? How are you? Send us your name and address and we'll keep you informed." That was many, many years before the internet, but they managed to do exactly that for a long, long time. You see, there really are, or were, Grateful Dead rules, albeit not written down--if you have to put something in writing, or if you want a link, well, go see a lawyer. The band went broke with the Wall of Sound because they put music quality ahead of profits. Similarly, they went broke making their first albums because they figured that there were more important things than money. If nothing else, that's the rule: There are more important things than money. Doesn't mean it isn't a business. Doesn't mean you're not entitled to make a buck. But it also doesn't mean that you should do this. I'm not interested in profiting by re-selling rare Dead recordings, but I am mad that I went through hell last year, when the ordering system melted down on release day, trying to make sure I'd get my copy based on the premise that it would be my only chance. I was played for a fool--that's how I feel now. The best solution is no more of these "limited releases." To the extent possible, understanding there may be contractual things that render some stuff impossible, open the flood gates. Sell as many Dick's Picks and Dave's Picks and Europe 72 box sets and other stuff as people want to buy--treat everything like American Beauty or Workingman's Dead. I won't be unhappy if the value of my collection goes down, because I'd never consider selling it.

"Set out running but I'll take my time, friend of the devil is a friend of mine" We are spoiled and there's an embarrassment of riches What?!?! $119.99!!! Give me break. Bring on the next cd box set!!! "Whichever way your pleasure tends" Glad this vinyl trend that's been going on for years never sunk its hooks into me.

Issue a limited edition, people complain. Issue a second printing.... people complain. Is it about the music... or that I own number 7,854 of 10,000?

I guess no one here buys the super deluxe VIP package for the Dead & Company.....you get a poster...(limited edition)

I read it on the World Wide Web...it must be true... "Scarcity marketing is a type of marketing technique that's based on the principle that people want what is difficult to obtain. ... A common example of a scarcity marketing technique is an invitation-only event, product or service that is only distributed to high status individuals in a particular group."

paraphrase: "whatever they do, the people all complain" it's about the music, plain and simple.

Haha Rhino pranksters Rhino send out 5.6.70 to the vinyl people And 4.24.66 Didn't this show already have a limited edition release ? Last year release party at record shop near me was a blast.

The 3-CD Set is for sale on Amazon for $21, but not from Rhino. It’s listed as an import from skyvo-direct-usa. I think that’s the pirating and marketing arm of the FSB (aka KGB).

Hey heads - here is something all you complainers seems to miss; YOU DONT HAVE TO PURCHASE ANYTHING IF YOU DOTN WANT TO!!!! Isnt that amazing. You don't have to buy this record, think about this record, worry about who else is buying this record or what they are paying for it. You can just put on your old 5/8/77 cassette tape and get busy with it while I enjoy these freshly pressed circular pieces of joy because I personally think its worth the money and I could care less if its the first, second, or last pressing or if it is a 1 of 1 collectible or 1 of 10,000,000 mass production. I just like to listen to good music from my turntable. How horrific is that? Seriously people, the labor youre putting forth to be whiney little chumps is amazing. Live and let live peeps.

I bought it. Whatever - I wanted it. I was pretty bummed out when I missed this last year. I actually got into GD back in university listening to random shows on Archive.org and somehow gravitated to this show. It really got me into them. I was somewhat surprised/not surprised when I found that it was their “best” show. Either way, it’s a cool thing to have, and I can listen to it. Any idea why they changed from 180g to 140g? I’m not sure about this. Are they doing it to make more money? We’re the 180g records screwed up somehow?

Hahaha was that the cd masters they used. These returned tapes must have cost them a pretty penny because I thought this all came out last year on 180Gram. Did they really need to hop on this anniversary again ? Just wait for the 200 gram cause that is what's next I'm not buying this record and I could care less who is buying it. However, I do think comments are important for feedback and essential that the business men at Rhino gets a few. And to your point the 1 of 1 collectible or 1 of X # mass production. Rhino has implemented this limited edition model. Direct your complaints to them. When GD live vault releases first went down they didn't have to be advertised as limited and people picked them up as time went by. Now Rhino is giving people heads up, making an effort to even offer advice how and when to buy, so they don't miss out. People are taking their word and trusting it. So when they go and say something is limited and then turn around to offer another product - that essential makes them look bad and people are going to question the business practices. I get the feeling people are a little peeved cause sometimes they scramble around to get ahold of these advertised releases at any cost. I like this band and I will continue to support these releases with money but I am not going to be a taken for a ride cause some dope at Rhino couldn't figure out these were the most requested shows and they should have made more of each. It's May 1977 !! For Crying out loud ! instead of 100,000 Fare Thee Well box sets or whatever that was when half the people there were sharing the vids online as they went down. Didn't the Grateful Dead get tired of the whiney chumps at Warner Bros and start own label ?

I bought the box set last year, and passed on the vinyl. Then earlier this year, after moving into my new house and setting up my record player, I decided I wanted to vinyl. Oh, boy, were people asking for a lot of money on the secondary market! I looked and looked and looked for a copy at a reasonable price. Finally found one in March for about $185 after shipping. Not bad considering the original price, and how much other folks were asking. Now, lo and behold, the folks at GD productions and Rhino are reissuing the vinyl. Am I miffed? Not at all! Happy I have the original release, especially for the fact that it’s on the 180g vinyl. And I’m psyched for everyone who wants this on vinyl who can now get it. And hey, the original limited edition is still limited edition, so no big deal for me.

Which sounds better?Anyone have both? Does dropping to 140g vinyl reduce the sound quality? Resellers just got shafted. Ha ha! (Nelson Muntz voice) I guessed about 15g of polycarbonate. Those cheap-ass CDs from Mexico in the GSTL Box probably are closer to 10g.

No complaints here on this one. But if they are going to re-issue limited releases, why not hit us with The complete Fillmore West box? It’s one of the more sought after out of print releases, if not the most... Many others have brought this up here on this site in the past, and I don’t mean to beat a dead horse here, but I see this as a perfect opportunity for a gentle suggestion... C’mon

if October 1 wasn't chosen for 30 trips then 9-18-94 should have been on deck. please release this awesome show. I agree with steve gold. no one is making you buy this or the previous one you bought. if you're buying it for "collector's value" all I have to say is Grateful Dead Productions is NOT responsible for your private merchant business on ebay. *FART!*

It's all about the music (said in a whiny childlike voice). A statement like that just shows the depth of ignorance of the individuals saying it. In current times it is of course a majaor factor, but ignores an understanding of human nature. As I've pointed out numerous times many people are collectors. That can mean several things. I want everything and it doesn't matter much who else has it. Far more likely it means I have something that is rare and only a few have it. Don't believe me then explain why in the days of taping especially when rare the elite traders would cut a song or in some other way to degrade even a small part when trading so they had they only pristine for the time version. Also if it was just about the music why do they go to the trouble and expense of producing artwork liner notes etc why not just release a bunch of cds in sleeves. Incidentally that is one of the reasons vinyl is making such a comeback. It's much more fun to hold and look at a 12" piece of art. RHINO IS GREEDY! This is one of the more ignorant, foolish and shortsighted statements on here. If it wasn't for Rhino and the deadicated, pun intended, people that work on these releases we would see far fewer of them. The Dead are NOT interested in this kind of work. Thank you Warners for allowing or showing the foresight to allow Dave and everyone involed to do this for an amount of profit major corporations ( oh there's an evil word) most wouldn't think worthwhile Sony anyone? As for the Cornell vinyl release I don't remember the exact wording of the original release and certainly wouldn't take the word of someone who 's integrity means so little to them they say rerelease fw '69 who cares what you promised. As for the value time will tell but if other releases, Hendrix etc are any guide 1st release 180 g retains its value. And I don't give a flying .. . What some who is glad they didn't get back into vinyl thinks. In finishing up this site shows that economic illiteracy a lack of understanding of other's motives aka empathy and really stupid thinking/slogans "It's just about the music" are alive and well. Just saying lol probably the single most egregious example of stupidity in language that exists. Have at it Oh yeah to the guy why made a flat out statement about a show then said no arguments it's my opinion huh? WTF? What do you think arguments are? There are no argumets about the wprld being round or we really did go to the moon because those are facts whether a show you say is great that ain't a fact and is most certainly open to discussion/ argument

I am an "All about the music" guy. I don't care for the people in our GDM consumer community who are devoted to these releases for their "collector value". I don't care for the arguments that the "secondary market"ers are the heroes who keep the music flowing (by hoarding copies of limited editions and selling them later at much higher prices). However, saying that GDM's work should be "All about the music" is naive, in my opinion. To expect profit-driven businesses to be "honest" is also naive in my opinion. GDM/Rhino/WarnerCom (or whoever absorbed Warnercom) are businesses. Live Music Archive is NOT a business. LMA IS "All about the music". G/R/W is about mixing music and marketing to make profits. Capitalism is NOT about providing goods and services so as to help people live better lives. Capitalism IS about using people's desire to live better lives to generate PROFITS. Many businesses are started by people who sincerely want to do the former, but the rigors of Capitalism almost inevitably turn any business into the latter. Rhino itself started as a Los Angeles music store that wanted to help some local bands get their recordings into market circulation. Gradually Rhino grew into a company that was able to make excellent niche-market recordings available to fans. From there they became a oldies re-issue house known for their quality and tastefulness. Then someone made some decisions that made the label a subsidiary of Warner Brothers Records. There are staff at Rhino who are making decisions about quality content in the products, but ultimately Rhino is one face of a megacorp. They take orders from the accountants at the megacorp. And when GDM gets in bed with Rhino, they too have to take orders from the megacorp. The limited edition marketing model probably was an idea mandated by the accountants. It has worked wonders for both us fans and those seeking profits from GDM's operations. But accountants don't worry about "right and wrong", they worry about profit. It is almost inevitable that FW69 will be released again. However, the powers involved understand that FW69 is one of their best resources (similar in community stature to Cornell). They will release it when some accountants are able to persuade their bosses that they have found a release method that will provide a level of profit that no other release method can possibly exceed. TPTB have other products to release in the meantime. If you want "all about the music" or if you put morality over profit, you probably should focus on the Live Music Archive world. Pluck the fruits you think are worth it from here, but don't get emotionally invested in the commercial world here at GDM. (Just my advice)

if you don't like it, don't buy it. Who cares anyway? sure is a lot of effort here to make people feel bad for their opinion, best just keep it to yourself, especially now days. Rhino is all about money, remember that first, then everything else makes sense. Personally, I don't think Rhino asked one surviving member of this band if they cared if they re-released anything.

meaning, "I don't give a fuck if they re-release everything four times over." make it available to whoever wants it, so they can enjoy it. meanwhile, hooray for Cornell 77!

for SOME collectors for others its about having the music. peace and love

Most of my record collection came from the era of paper thin records from the 1980's. I adopted CDs early since the records produced back then easily warped. Now that I'm dipping back into vinyl, I was curious about how much of the different weights of vinyl actually make a difference. I do realize that first run pressings will always be the most pristine. I figure the idea of 200g probably was spawned from watching Spinal Tap's scene of Nigel explaining why his amp went to 11 ;) Thanks for the explanation...

Thanx for making my point. I really don't care if you don't like the collector part of the market. That wasn't my point. As for your little history lesson when Rhino was a little baby record company guess who went with ltd issue. I have a bunch Butterfield Rascals etc. As for CAPITALISM thank God without it we'd have no releases. Why do I get the feeling you're one of the elite like the NYT ed. page celebrating the importance of Marx's 200th.

Don't thank God for capitalism. He hates it, those sentiments were thoroughly and expressly conveyed by his kid, but who knows most of us don't listen to our parents. I'm not the least bit religious but thanking a flying spaghetti monster for the root of all evil is somewhat perplexing :) One of capitalism's greatest lies is that it is the ONLY system that humans can function within and the ONLY system that is successful for a society or an economy. The ones at the top with all the cash, they survive because society believes that lie. Things I've been seeing, reading and hearing lately give much evidence to the contrary of those beliefs. Plus, if there was no capitalism we'd all live in a magical land of GD rainbow unicorn farts and society would create free and vast listening libraries of high-quality recordings adjacent to beautiful multi-use pavilions filled with new GD-inspired music by the disciples and engaging discussions on the "best" GD era. Plus, all the free Kool-Aid you can drink... :) Watch out for the 1980s Cult of Jerry though, that is a wily bunch of zealots ya got there.

With every new release the complainers take to this board to voice their displeasure with Dead.net, Rhino, Dave, and the old standby Capitalism. I find it very entertaining.

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Please see previous comment mbarilla. You overthink this shit. Buy it if you want it. Pass if you don't. Prefer CDs or vinyl. It doesn't matter. Youre not going to be right or wrong either way. Life is simpler than you make it out to be. As for the Rhino feeback all Id be getting from this if I were them is the realization that Deadheads are just as petulant and lame as the gen pop

If it wasn't for capitalism, I wouldn't have been able to make it to the next show, and the next one, and the one after that. If you don't want the record, don't buy it. No one's twisting your arm.

That’s why tickets for Dead shows went ‘on sale’. That’s also why street musicians put out a container for money. They might be street musicians but they still want to get paid. Let’s see, how many bands do I know of that came from socialist or communist countries? Hmmm......none. France is sort of socialist, how many French bands do I know of? Hmmm......none.

Yesterday I saw this reissue as a money grab today I view it as good business. It's an alternative to the first pressing because the color scheme is different than the first pressing it's not a reissue in the strictest sense of the word hence I'll call it an alternative release. Sorry dead.net I take back what I said. It's Wednesday DeadLand PLAY DEAD & play em LOUD

If you don't want the record, don't buy it. No one's twisting your arm. True. However, I think that the people that really wanted this album and were forced to deal with the secondary market have a valid complaint. A lack of limits on how many copies a person can purchase puts a real strain on the ability for fans to obtain something they are led to believe is no longer available, for regular retail prices. Nothing wrong with the limited release format. A little help from the band and rhino in terms of dealing with the secondary markets by increasing availability and limiting the number a person (or bot) can purchase would be nice. The increase of availability and limits to copies purchased proved to be fairly successful in terms of Dave's Picks 2018. Hopefully, going forward, Rhino and the band will continue to address this issue with oncoming releases. It's pretty easy for them to determine what will be a hot item and a definite sellout. Why not take that extra step and give the many Dead and music fans a better shot at obtaining the music? Certainly by now, it has been proven that EBAY resellers are NOT the reason the band can continue to release so many shows via box set, vinyl and cd. Many of you have mentioned capitalism as an excuse or arguing point to shout down the "whiners" here. Can't capitalism be also about trying to get the product in the hands of as many fans as possible without having them gouged by the secondary market? I mean, the band did in fact at one time take that extra step in terms of selling tickets to their shows. It's a good thing this is now available to all. It should never have been a limited release in the first place. It's just unfortunate that some people, more specifically in this case, vinyl enthusiasts were led to believe that the only way to get their hands on the album was to overpay on the secondary markets because it had "sold out". At least now, those that could not afford or were unwilling to shell out $200 for this can still get it a more economical(?) price.

I got the big box with the book and it was immaculately packaged with great sound. I also sent the vinyl set to my friend in L.A. I believe I may have seen the set offered, actually, for less on amazon/eBay after my purchase. And now it's being re-released. Do I feel burned? No. I can't get worked up about first world problems like this. All that matters IS the music. Isn't that why we're here? But of course people have to make a living and these are priced commodities. Just feel the love, people, and if you are not, tune into a different frequency.