Grateful Dead

Not sure what to think... https://www.sfgate.com/music/article/New-book-buries-the-Grateful-Dead-… But what about the children?

Cancellation of a show after a full first set was completed? Probably not. Being subjected to "Cheesy Answers" in said first set? DEFINITELY justifiable cause for a refund. Fingers crossed that we won't have to endure either scenario here in Colorado next month...

I remember reading when Further was roaming the earth that Billy and Mickey agreed that to try and re-image Grateful Dead music was a futile exercise. Or something like that. Now we have Dead and Company with Billy and Mickey, but without Phil. I am just seeing if anyone can shed any more light on this. I love Phil but also believe Oteil brings life and bounce in the step that gives this iteration wings to let the music fly. I have heard some very interesting jams out of this group. That being said, the drawback, is...Oh wait, I won't say.

I'll answer your question while trying not to be redundant, as I've posted on this before. Billy in particular made some comments in a public forum (interview) while Further was touring that he thought John Kadlecik, since he was in a Dead cover band forever with no other credentials on his resume, was just a Jerry clone: http://www.jambands.com/news/2010/12/02/kreutzmann-takes-a-stab-at-furt… Therefore Furthur seemed like just a reductive Dead cover band rather than someone like, say... John Mayer or Trey, who come from their own planets and can bring something new with a new voice and fresh perspective to write a NEW chapter in stead of just recreating the past (which Mayer is doing better than I ever could have imagined). This then leads to JK (for whom I have massive respect) posting an "interview" where John immediately states he never really "studied " or tried to copy Jerry. This obviously strains credulity since he was in a band for a decade that tried to mimic GD songs and style exactly... Massive respect for him musically, but I think being kicked to the curb by Billy stung, and that was how he chose to react. My take, anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCOn4a9xA8

....never understood why that would be a bad thing tbh. One of those many things in life that make me rub my chin and go "Hmmmmmm".

wow. it's too bad that people with (in the GD's case, well-deserved) wealth and legendary status can be so back-stabby and spiteful and negative and divisive. ultimately, it is about the music. I listen to the GD for the GD, and strive to avoid the drama of "backstage things were falling apart", etc.

No offence taken-and good points made. One Jeff Beck release that might appeal to you more, is one called "Rock n' Roll Party", which is a tribute concert for Les Paul. It features Imelda May on a lot of Les Paul songs, as well as a few rock n' roll classics. She isn't on all the songs though. Jeff plays fingerstyle rockabilly on a lot of tracks, as well as more melodic instrumentals like Apache and Peter Gunn. He dials down virtually all his more excessive trademarks..but it is still an amazing concert!

how bout how bad phish sucks ass-overrated bigtime-

I'm not a Phishhead by any stretch of the imagination, but what I've heard (and experienced at 4 or 5 shows) is perfectly fine. 91 92 93 94 hmm. I don't like fish, but I like Phish

....there's your subject. ;)

Vguy - Agreed! "John, you're the best Jerry clone I ever heard - own it and embrace it. I'd love to be known as the guy who is the most accurate portrayal of Jerry's sound and style. You're HUGE!". I've driven a long way to see JK many times BECAUSE he makes it sound like Jerry's in the house. Stoltzfus - I agree with you as well. I don't like Phish nearly as much as the Dead (really don't listen to Phish at all anymore, actually) but I don't get the hate. I could see being a big fan if I had time to dig into and really pick my songs and years for each song, etc. But between my own band, Boston local acts like the B3 Kings and Duke Levine, and my 700+ GD shows, i just don't have the time for more music. If I had been in college in the 90's instead of the 80's I'm sure I'd be deep into Phish. And as long as Duke Levine and Jeff Beck are both on topic, check out this version of Duke playing the 70's classic "Seventeen" in the style of Jeff Beck's "'Cause We've Ended as Lovers": https://youtu.be/ZAoFSX921Ps

Jeff Beck is without a doubt the finest, purest musician I have ever seen. His instrumental take on The Beatles' "A Day In The Life" nearly brought me to tears, it was so well done and full of love and reverence for a time and place that left us long ago. Coincidentally, my old friend saw the same show in another city and actually did cry during the song. But he was on mushrooms, and I wasn't. God is in Jeff Beck's hands. The only other that came close was Jimi Hendrix. It's just a vibe, a magic that can't be taught. I hope he tours well into his 80's like Buddy Guy. He's the reason a lot of kids have picked up the guitar. Joel Silver's "Fare Thee Well, The Final Chapter Of The Grateful Dead's Long Strange Trip" just arrived today. It's a book. I am really looking forward to the read. I have devoured all the biographies and personal books about and from all the guys. I find that the more I learn about these guys as people, the more it informs my understanding of, and appreciation for, this beautiful music. Peace everyone. \m/

....it fits!With all the Jeff Beck talk lately, looks like I should get more familiar with him. It's officially on my to do list. I'll report back later.

I don’t hate Phish, I saw 8 shows between Dec. ‘92 and summer ‘98. It was phun in 92 but pretty lame by 98.I don’t listen to them now, but think that Trey was the right choice for FTW, and think that he kicked ass at FTW, and don’t think that it’s his fault that the whole band didn’t practice more. Trey confirmed that he was the right choice for FTW when he joined Bob and Phil in NYC. At least Trey attended GD shows in the 80’s and knows his way around GD tunes, unlike Mayer that never saw a show until FTW. But, I do think that Kyle would be better served by posting those links to a site frequented by Phish phans and devoted to Phish. Posting those links here will only attract scorn from some (and praise from the Senator).

Cheap Trick style https://youtu.be/fhb_D6f6Cqo

....Jeff Beck has a song called The Golden Road. Imagine that. I started my indoctrination with There And Back, because I recognized the cover. That's me. Good stuff. Prog/Fuzz/Tron/Jazz. PFTJ. Pardon my first impressions....

....daaaaaamn! Moving backwards to Wired.

it really comes down to when you first got into the Dead all Phish Heads are Dead Heads but not all Dead Heads are Phish Heads and honestly I have way more phish shows that touched me more personally than Dead shows have.

LedDed- Yes, listening to Jeff Beck reminds me of Jimi Hendrix a bit, too. Especially "A Day in the Life", which he approaches in a similar way to how Hendrix approached "Star Spangled Banner" at Woodstock. Very powerful and moving. Vguy- you are going in the right direction-the next one, "Blow By Blow" is in the same vein as "Wired" but maybe even better. A really great release is 2010s "Emotion and Commotion", which features a version of Puccini's "Nessun Dorma", no less. Its also got a version of "Over the Rainbow" on it, a song which was posted on here a few weeks ago. Its all as good as you would expect. My version of this album has a dvd enclosed, featuring 6 songs from the Crossroads Guitar Festival, 2007. And that's got "A Day in the Life" on it. This is a fantastic release. As for Phish-I've never heard them!

I've just watched the clip of Phish covering Instant Karma. I'm not sure about this at all-maybe you had to be there.

When and if, Phil, Bob, Mickey and Billy are on the same stage playing together, the rights belong to the Grateful Dead. At which point, Deborah is due a percentage, from Garcia's share. I think otherwise, Phil, would have made an appearance at Dead and Co. I love Phish, seeing them since 1988. However, Trey was not the right answer for a guitarist at FTW. Trey was used for ticket sales and the chance to bring in a younger audience, new mouths to feed, as we grow in age. Jimmy Herring would have been a better musical choice, in my opinion.

When and if, Phil, Bob, Mickey and Billy are on the same stage playing together, the rights belong to the Grateful Dead. At which point, Deborah is due a percentage, from Garcia's share. I think otherwise, Phil, would have made an appearance at Dead and Co. I love Phish, seeing them since 1988. However, Trey was not the right answer for a guitarist at FTW. Trey was used for ticket sales and the chance to bring in a younger audience, new mouths to feed, as we grow in age. Jimmy Herring would have been a better musical choice, in my opinion.

I don't think there are many HQ recordings in the vault. Most of them are from the video screens feed, at stadium shows. however, seeing that we are going Box Set crazy. How about releasing a box set of the 1991 summer shows?Heck, summer of 1989 to fill in with, the 3 other 1989 releases. Pick a show from each year and sell it as a boxzilla style release. or just release 6/17/91.

Get it, while jarring McNally claims it to be 99% true. Goes to show you don't ever know.

Having alienated himself years ago from the band member and wife about whom his "exposé" seems to be gaining most attention, Selvin's book appears to be teetering toward tabloid journalism. With many well-received Dead biographers, original band members and photographers distancing themselves from his Fare Thee Well: The Final Chapter..., I think I'll spend my valuable reading time elsewhere.

I probably did not frame this up appropriately. I don't necessarily feel entitled to a refund, but I do feel entitled to a clear presentation of the ticket holder agreement as it applies to this situation. If I'm not satisfied with that explanation, then I may feel entitled to a refund or partial refund. I feel entitled to an explanation as to what constitutes a fulfilled concert agreement between the fan and the venue. The woman I spoke to defended the venue's position by saying they played over an hour and a half. She said if the headlining band had not performed at all, then the fans would be entitled to a refund. My next question to her, was" what constitutes a performance? One song? 1 hour? Where is that stated in my ticket purchase?" She could not answer any of these questions, and pissed me off by telling me to Google it, instead of doing her job which is to provide good customer service and work on an answer. So, now I'm annoyed and want the answer. If the answer is in the fine print somewhere, then I'm fine with it. If there is no answer, and it's an open-ended arbitrary amount of time, decided by the venue, then they may be breaking their agreement, and may actually owe the fans something. The fact that they are offering free stuff for the fans of this event, in the way of free streaming of other shows on the tour tells me that they do feel some liability. Did they offer this free stuff out of the goodness of their hearts? Or do they have a legal obligation to the ticket holder to provide something? I am only looking for an answer. Because no information was provided by the venue on the night of, or anytime after, except when they were called upon, leaves me with a sense of entitlement for some sort of recompense. To me this is more about consumer rights than anything. Consumers get taken advantage of everyday in our country. Sometimes there are class action lawsuits to settle the score. Just happens to be an extremely unusual situation, just show me the fine print and I'm on my way. Also just want to add - if a major league baseball game is rained out, you get offered admittance to another game. I'm good with admittance to another dead and Company show. I'm not good with big money organizations making up consumer rules as they go along. I don't know for certain who made the call to cancel the show. Let me be clear, the show should have been cancelled. That's not the point here. Now getting back to the question of who called off the show, I believe I caught this woman in a fib. Initially she said it was the decision of both the venue and the band. About halfway through the conversation, I got tired of being interrupted and spoken down to, so I called her out on her less than satisfactory customer service. She seemed rattled after that, and when I told her that every other show they played was more than twice as long, she said, no, we made sure they played at least half a show before we asked them to leave the stage. This is when I began asking her what constitutes a full performance, one song one hour Etc. But clearly I was being bullshitted. From what I witnessed, I would say the venue made the decision, as their representative came out mid song to stop the band, who looked surprised. The fact that nobody in the band addressed the crowd makes me think it wasn't them. I'm sure they agreed lightning is bad and they should take a break, but somebody asked the question so I'm telling you what I know and saw. My end game - to ensure no DeadHead is taken advantage of, if that is indeed what has occurred here. I mean shit, I was standing next to a guy who could've been Latvala's twin, who not only looked like him, but smoked like him. He fired up a joint, took one hit, and handed it to me, saying you keep it, I packed way more than I can possibly smoke tonight. We need to protect ourselves and our people. Like Jake and Elwood, I'm on a mission from God.

May the Force be strong with this one...

I'm traveling in North Carolina this week. I stopped in at Duke University and walked around Cameron Indoor Stadium. Within the halls of this legendary arena is a display featuring bands that have played here in the past. There is a really cool hand drawn poster featuring the Dead's performance here in April 82. I took a picture and If I can figure out how to post it I will... Edit: Ok I can't figure out how to post my picture, but the poster can be found in this article https://today.duke.edu/2017/04/35-years-ago-week-grateful-deads-long-st… Just found it cool that such a straight-laced university proudly displays a dead poster in one of the most famous building in all of sports

Let's see if I can get this to work... Is this the one? Or did you want the other one too?

....Check out this second setThrowing Stones, Iko Iko, All Along The Watchtower, Standing On the Moon, He's Gone-> Drums-> Space-> The Wheel-> I Need A Miracle-> Walkin' Blues-> Throwing Stones-> Not Fade Away, E: Brokedown Palace https://archive.org/details/gd91-06-20.aud.ladner.2187.sbeok.shnf/gd91-… Hitting play now....

‘‘Twas a great show and a sweet venue, at least what of it I remeber....Sure your aware this was a “Download” release....

I got teary eyed toward the end of your post. Here I thought we were all in the GD experience without anybody having our backs. But no, Keithfan is there to seek out injustices wherever they may exist in the GD experience and set things right! Give 'em hell, dude...

Spoke with someone who attended Saturday's show, and apparently it was a barnburner and perhaps the best show of the tour so far... Yes the setlist is amazing, but apparently the x-factor was DIALED IN: Set I: Sugar Magnolia, Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo > Peggy-O > Bertha, Comes a Time, Jack-a-Roe > Bird Song > New Speedway Boogie > Bird Song Set II: Help On The Way > Slipknot! > Franklin’s Tower, St. Stephen* > The Eleven^ > Drums > Space > Eyes of the World > Stella Blue > Sunshine Daydream Encore: One More Saturday Night

….but it is a very nice shirt. I got many a compliment last night at the store over it!

Pitch Forks ... Torches One for Three, Two for Five

....I wore it to the grocery store last night. Got a couple of cool compliments as well. The material is very nice.

You go boy. There's been a movement afoot for quite a while across the land to give "corporations" more rights than people. If we put it in fine print at the end of phone book size document, we can do anything! They make it illegal to sue a corp, force arbitration with person of their choosing. They love to call it tort reform. Corp can still sue corps, but people can't sue corps. Only way to stop a lot of this is to stop buying the shit they're selling. Tired of small airplane seats, stop flying places where planes aren't needed. Tired of sporting events that cost a fortune, stop going. Feel a venue has stiffed you on a refund (or at least an explanation), boycott that venue. As far as poor customer service, almost the norm. First you hire people for minimum wage, give them no training (except to say no), don't hire near enough of them and bang, shitty service. There is NO profit in good customer service,,, don't you know this :-) I think(?) I've read a few harsh comments about GD merch cust service here, haven't I? I know, not much help KFAN, but in any event, how was what you saw?

that's exactly it...hangs in a display alongside pictures of Benny Goodman and other musicians who played at Cameron!

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Yeah, I was at that show. Man it was hot in there! Got a little too juiced in the first set on blotter 'n blow. Luckily, being a recent alum of this fine institution, my security connection got me backstage to cool down a bit and watch the second set. Saw Jerry, but he seemed somewhat aloof and didn't want to talk to fans. Chatted up Phil, and he remembered the "Turn Down the Lights" incident from 4/12/78. We had a good laugh.What an experience seeing my first "Man Smart, Woman Smarter" and looking out into the audience from the side of the stage, watching my friends and the usual NC area deadheads groovin' in that heat.

Vguy... Thankfully, they never played Miracle>Walkin' Blues post Space. Glad, they never played that combo, in any set. It was Miracle>Wharf Rat.

Wave To The Wind > Easy Answers > When Push Comes To Shove, Long Way To Go Home, Miracle > Drums > Space > Miracle Reprise > Walkin Blues > Little Red Rooster, Encore: I Fought The Law

First show! From the lot I remember trying to help out a couple of fetching Toronto gals find their way around a 10+ foot high fence that seemed to stretch out for miles to separate the grounds from a neighboring golf course. They had no idea how they ended up over there. Maybe they were looking for their kite and dropped back down onto the wrong side? I dun'no. One of those mysteries in life that must remain an unknown. Too bad I was sans wire cutters. At the end, all I could do was wish them luck because I had a show to get into! So that's the hold GD can have on an otherwise revved up 18 year old dude. And oh yeah, what a second set. Just last summer I pulled it from the archives to give it a listen.

Not sure how I avoided not hearing this magical jam my entire life, but it popped into my Spotify during my run this morning. And Holy shitttttttttttttt..... Oh BTW, (and this is NOT a plug for Spotify), my daughter turned my onto this app last week....there are an ASS LOAD of Dead albums/shows on there!! Pretty sure the entire Europe 72 Catalog and most of Dick's Picks, and much more...... Cheers!

Its been a while since I heard this-but it is surely one of the best extended improvisations of 1973-or any other year, come to that. If I remember rightly, hendrixfreak was actually present, if not necessarily correct, at this show. Shows don't come much more legendary than this one. I came across the jam on the 5cd "So Many Roads" box set from about 20 years ago. By all accounts it was the highlight of both the shows they played that weekend. I have been listening to Dicks Picks 12 today to get me in the mood. Cut to pieces, but sublime-26th and 28th June 1974, as if you didn't know. Just occurred to me-no Seastones on this upcoming box set. Shame.

Only the 2nd country on the planet to legalize the Devil Weed!!!! Wow! I never thought Id see the day. Will it happen here? I can see it now..............Dead Joints!!!!

....best $10/month app i ever found. They have a ton of Phish shows on there too (that's not a dirty word, is it?)

This was part of a soundcheck for the next days show.