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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • #3521
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    I would guess by the time the box comes out, and deadheads comment on how nice the box looks, that will "seal the deal" for a lot of people.I am not familiar with the NW shows so I am very much looking forward to sitting down, pouring a cold beverage, lighting up one of my dead meerschaum pipes, and enjoying each show. I am sure the quality of the sound will be...excellent! A lot of us forget how bad cassettes were in the day. Not all...but most! Have a great day! Mr. Pete-----------------> aging hippie
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    Total run time for 6/1 @ Camden was 2 hrs, 54 minutes (18 songs including encore) per my Nugs download. For 6/2, it was 1 hr, 46 minutes (10 songs). I don't have the specific Set 1 vs. Set 2 breakdown at the moment. In listening, I felt like the 6/2 first set seemed longer than usual. On a related note, hoping to catch the boys at Blossom tomorrow if time permits!
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    Not sure why you feel entitled to a refund. You don't get a refund if a baseball game gets called early due to rain. You don't get a refund if you buy a ski pass for the season and it does not snow. Our plow guy certainly does not offer a refund if it does not snow. The same thing happened in Canandaigua a few years back. Sucks, but that is how life works.
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    ....Dead & Co busted out The Eleven on the eleventh show of the tour. I don't believe in coincidences....Haha. Poop. Congrats Sixtus.
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    Lucky you, daverock and Jim. Have only seen him live once, back in 1979 or 80 (edit: oops, not that anybody cares, but I remember now that it was in 1976. 42 years ago? Ouch) not long after Wired came out, so that and Blow by Blow made up a good portion of the show. How could anyone not like that? Seems he'll be in southern Cal this tour but I'm up north, so will miss him again. In the age of youtube, though, it's easy to see parts of these tours that I cannot attend. He's still among the pinnacle of my rock guitar favorites, with that rare blend of technique, emotion, and inventiveness. I can listen to Garcia endlessly, but when I'm in the right mood, JB has that different sort of mojo that's a cut above. Guys like Clapton, Santana, Robbie Robertson, and name 20 others always had lots of talent, but Beck continued to evolve and innovate, and damn does he ever age? I think his adventurous spirit, constant playing with new and talented sidemen, and restraint on overexposing himself has helped him maintain his longevity and freshness. Just re-read your post daverock, and somehow I missed the Imelda May reference as the warm up act on my first read. Wow, would I have liked to have been at that show! Jim, you'll be lucky if she comes along on his US tour too.
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    Thx Jimbo. And I did some quick math on your numbers below - they are eerily similar in terms of % unique songs played; FW 69 is 35.4839% 'unique songs' vs. PNW 73/74 being 36.5854% unique songs. Moral of the story seems to be that repeats have long been A Thing across runs. I ain't complainin'! Fun w/#'s Sixtus P.S. and it was the China > Rider transition from 5/19/74, while listening on my Walkman strolling to my French class that had me repeatedly rewinding that Feelin Groovy jam which has since had me 1000% hooked on that little snippet whenever and wherever it pops up.
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    Re: Sixtus III, I'm Shocked, Songs..
    First.. congrats and best of luck Sixtus. Seond.. I got a nice chuckle out of thin being "shocked!" Chortled my coffee a bit.. I suspect the frequent visitors of these threads are mostly all-in on this one with some that are interested but passing for various reasons. I think it's worth it for a cleaned up, pristine PNE 73 alone, add in Seattle 74 and the rest is bonus material. I cannot get enough WRS's either, Truckin' had legs back then, China Riders were going through a pivotal evolution, there are some first set novelties like The Race is On, early Peggy-O's and others and you have the makings for a great box set. ..and that's before the extra time and effort mastering, Plangent, etc. As for songs. Just for kicks and giggles I compared to FW 69. I know there is no comparison, FW was an explosive early high water mark. ..but this is how they match up: FW 69 Shows 4 Songs 62 Avg. Songs per Show 15.5 Unique Songs 22 PNW 73/74 Shows 6 Songs 164 Avg. Songs per Show 27.3 Unique Songs 60
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    On a different note, I decided I wanted to know where it said in my ticket agreement that the BB&T Pavilion can cancel a show at some point through it without offering a refund. They are offering some free streaming stuff, but to be frank, I was treated rather belligerently by the woman I spoke to. She actually interrupted me, and said the words, "you're not getting a refund" after cutting me off several times in an impatient tone. I was very cordial in my questions and demeanor, so, clearly no respect for the customer (not because I wasn't given a refund right), but because I was talked down to and interrupted. This woman, after not knowing the answers, told me to Google it. I guess I can't be too surprised at poor customer service, but I can't remember the last time congeniality was reciprocated by condescension. I asked for her manager and was forwarded to his voice mail, so I left him a message. I don't know about you guys, but this sort of thing sticks in my craw, and frankly the discussion on Hell Freezes Over and increased ticket sales prices is what really got me to thinking I'm not happy with this outcome, and that I was going to call about it. I believe that the cost to either BB&T Pavilion and or Dead and Company to redo the show is going to hurt their pocketbooks a lot less than a great number of fans who attended, once you break it down to percentages and household income, etc. If it says in my ticket or anywhere in my purchase agreement that they have a right to do this, then it is what it is and I'm fine with it. If anyone out there has statistics on the number of minutes played at any Dead & Co shows, I would be grateful for them (like, if you have a show loaded up on your iPod, and the total runtime for both sets and Encore equals x number of minutes, that would be great thanks). The June 1st and 2nd Camden shows especially.
  • #3529
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    Hey Now Just checking in after a bit of a hiatus - life's curveballs, you know? Busy times and not so busy times but busy times will indeed REIGN when Sixtus III arrives this Friday AM so long as all goes as scheduled. Then, crazy train. Good to catch up from the last several days, here. Psyched for this Big Box. Just looking forward to the smooth sound upgrade and some monster shows, just gimme it All. Dead & Co have been a lot of fun lately - that Billy Tell > Eleven rolled me over (sounds like VGuy too). Also coming out of Space into Eyes? My cup O' Tea. Be well people! revel in the summertime - I will certainly try and will do my best to check in and offer some candid updates. That may or may not involve poop. Sixtus
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    It's almost impossible to compare sales performance of any one Grateful Dead box set to another. Some we don't know how many they produced (Winterland 1973 & 1977); some are from extremely famous runs (Cornell, Europe '72); some are relatively expensive; some are relatively inexpensive; and some are available for download, so we can't even measure their sales. In hindsight, it seems clear why Cornell, Europe 72, Fillmore West 1969, and 30 Trips Around the Sun sold out quickly. It is interesting that Winterland June 1977 and Winterland 1973 took about five years to sell out, while the May 1977 box set took less than a year. Judging by eBay prices, the Winterland '77 Box is in much higher demand. This has me thinking they either manufactured an assload of Winterland June 1977 boxes, or the "Limited Edition" marketing scheme is hugely effective. I can't see Pacific Northwest box being on the shelves for more than 6 months after the September 7th release date for the following reasons: * The time of their career it encompasses, '73 / '74 * The 15K Limited Edition production run (a number we know doesn't last too too long) * The fact that it's in the medium to low price range * Its availability for the holiday season * The "word of mouth" advertising this box is sure to get (I believe it's a foregone conclusion that it's going to sound great and contain outstanding performances - we are going to be raving about it after it hits our doorsteps, and if it didn't sell out by then, they will start selling like hotcakes as the holiday season approaches) * The Grateful Dead's back catalogue is arguably in higher demand than ever. Dead & Co's impact, I believe, has contributed greatly to this. Even if one doesn't think there is any relevance there, the fact remains the back catalog is in higher demand than ever based on the increased production numbers of Dave's Picks. So yeah, good times good times. I'm not surprised that this didn't sell out overnight. It's not Europe 72. I think it's most akin to the Dave's Picks yearly subscription sales. We all know the boxes are out there in comparatively high numbers, and we all know the rate at which they're selling. Some of us are taking our time because we have time to take. But the window will shorten once the product hits the street and the holidays are upon us. You can't keep half a dozen brand new releases from one of the Grateful Dead's most cherished eras out of the hands of Deadheads for long. This is not Cornell or Europe 72, but it is also no July 1978 or RFK '89. I think after all is said and done, the Pacific Northwest box may reflect the sales pattern of 30 Trips Around the Sun.
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 15:07

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A great band-I will definitely be having a look at the reissue of Sweetheart as a possible purchase. My favourite albums by them were actually the three before it-5th Dimension, Younger Than Yesterday and Notorious Byrd Brothers. But Sweetheart is great, too. This new Buffalo Springfield box set could be worth a punt, too. Nothing that hasn't been available for years...but supposedly now in better sound.
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Submitted by MKCBrown93 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 15:08

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I was curious how many dead.net would allow me to place in my cart... the answer? Precisely 9,894 copies. I'm wondering how accurate a measure this is. Could it be only 5,106 copies have sold so far?
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Submitted by Terrapin Moon on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 15:23

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I think people are wanting to work on getting the july 78 box set before they get this one. cuz there seems there was a quite a bit of purchases for it after the positive talk of it. and why not its a really good box set, everyone seems to be taken with that Arrow Head show. well as for me i'm delving into '86 today.
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Submitted by Terrapin Moon on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 16:03

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I am currently working on the HJK February shows with summer '95 on the appropriate days of what I have. josie the cat saw a rabbit in the backyard and just couldn't understand what was going on at all. 4th of july used to be awesome for me, when I first moved here I could step into back yard on 4th of july and have an excellent view of the fire dept doing fireworks. now they moved and if I want to see em I can in my front yard but horribly blocked by trees. it sucks I wish it could go back the way it was. going to the park blows too many people and its used as a means to try sneak beer in and drink in public.
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Submitted by Terrapin Moon on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 16:16

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Mooresville is not known for its brightest individuals. the drivers here alone prove that so they should not drink in public lol. and we definitely don't have any fireworks as fancy as that
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 16:47

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....and it's T for Timbuktu. T for Texas. And it's T for Timbuktu. And it's T for "insert a local name here" , where the little girls know what to do. One could call that song perverted. I'm just going down the road feeling bad. Listening to the top shelf American band in the Land. Mama tried to set me right. I'm guilty of losing focus. Apologies Mom.You want sparkles? Cue up 6.22.86. On my third tour. Really good show. Short sentences. I blame the IPA's. See how easy it is?
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Submitted by MKCBrown93 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 16:53

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St. Stephen just began from May 5, 1977... Damn, this is a great set!
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Submitted by Old Chief Smokem on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 17:30

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Happy Fourth of July to everyone out there! We're a lucky and blessed bunch to live in this great country and to be fans of this band. Enjoy it all. It goes by too fast! Wave that Flag!!!
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 18:29

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....ever release a Greeks Box, 6.22.86 better be on it. Gets better every time. The Truckin' -> Stella Blue transition is flawless. Jerry In Red....I know you're listening.
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Submitted by poetry420 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 18:29

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“They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings, steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king.” bob dylan 1983
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Submitted by poetry420 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 18:37

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sam-u sound like a sheep who sits in front of his tv watching fake news-chicken little the sky is falling- TURN OFF YOUR FUCKIN TV
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 19:15

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....US Blues encore. Box Of Rain bonus. Fuck yeah. Believe It If You Need It.
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Submitted by Terrapin Moon on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 19:32

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so anyways, I decided to walk to corner and saw fireworks better than from home, not as good as if I parked at the shopping center
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Submitted by snafu on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 19:49

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Version of history is one one of the most ignorant I have ever read. The revolutionary generation didn't fight for freedom from fear and want let alone the right to life. They fought to establish they had the rights of Englishmen and as the declaration of independence stated they had given up on getting them from the king who they wrongly thought was their protector. BTW glad to see you support the right to life lol.If you knew anything at all about that period in our history you'd know far from wanting the government to provide with freedom from want which by necessity would require a leviathan monstrosity like we have now they want as little as possible . One more thing I'm not much of a fan of ICE but in my work have to deal with them far more than you do, if you've ever actually met one. To call them the Gestapo shows the American Revolution isn't the only period of history that you are completely ignorant of.
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Submitted by mhammond12 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 21:32

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Watching the fireworks and listening to the usual patriotic tunes they play for the soundtrack a thought occured to me. U.S. Blues would make a great fireworks song.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 21:45

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....You analyze me, tend to despise me.You laugh when I stumble and fall.
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Submitted by Terrapin Moon on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 00:54

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what do you do when someone on your facebook goes off about fourth of july is a hypocrisy??? post about how fucking awesome your fourth of july was and how fourth of july is the best holiday LMFAO!! have a good fourth people
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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 03:48

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But just a reminder that not everyone here lives in your "great country". The Dead were a World band-not an American one.
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Submitted by direwulf on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 06:40

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Gonna have to push back on that one, globe-trotting American band with a worldwide audience and groups of simpaticos, okay. But, the Grateful Dead are ABSOLUTELY an American band. I'm a huge fan of camembert but that doesn't make it a global cheese, it's friggin' French... ;)
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Submitted by dmcvt on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 06:43

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Now that our American Independence Day has passed, shall we get back to the music that drew us all here, that we share in such delight? Politics not worthy of debate here, imho, and we are very diverse, does dead.net have a political discussion page for those who would? Nahhhh. OK Cheese, I will debate, Vermont being a dairy state and damn proud of it. We will put our cheese up against anything else in the world... ok it might get sticky, yes. For example. in a small farm not far from me: http://www.vtcheese.com/members/blythedale-farm-2/ If you ever have the chance to put their camembert against ANY French camembert, go ahead try it. We have freaking incredible cheese here. Not going to even mention my favorite Vermont cheeses, don't make enough of them. World Class Cheese, like our World Class Grateful Dead. OK maybe I will mention one, because it is almost out of this world... called Bayley Hazen Blue, served to the French president when he visited the White House in 2014. So good, we shot it into orbit, well... yes folks this is how we have fun in the Green Mountains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoVgugOGcI Daverock, I do agree, the music groove of NSB is jamworthy.
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 06:45

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Dave's Picks Volume 27 could be revealed as early as today, July 5, 2018 (unlikely) or tomorrow, Friday July 6th, or most likely sometime next week with Friday July 13th being a *good* target date. Oh the irony of a reveal on Friday the 13th, I see a twisted humor in it. DaP 27 will sell out probably within 2 hours of the posting of the new page on the day of the reveal. The selected show? I have no idea what DaP 27 will contain, but it probably won't be from 1967, '68, '71, '73, '74 or 1977. "DaP 27 will be a show from the time period from 1/1/70 to 12/31/79." wissinomingdeadhead "had a dream that DaP 27 was 11/25/79" he could be right about that, but I won't count or bet on that one, but who knows...
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Submitted by Mr. Pete on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 07:04

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Dave's Pick's really never sell out...there are LOTS of them for sale on eBay. It saddens me, as an old deadhead, that people would buy these to "flip" while others cannot even buy one. I know...capitalism! This would be easy to fix by limiting people to one. That would mean that they would sell out in two days instead of two hours. I hope when the new Dave's picks comes out all of you who want a personal copy get one. Be well! Mr. Pete------------> aging hippie
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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 07:25

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I am ALL IN for Vermont Cheese. And also, for a 1970 Dave's 27.And daverock, you are such a SOLID contributor here, I got to have your back. Not every US citizen is proud of our current "government". Rant over. Let's just enjoy the Dead, and the anticipation of a new release!!
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Submitted by dmcvt on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 07:35

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(fermenting to Winterland 73 bonus disc 12/4/73 Cincinnati) Just wanted to make it clear, no negative comment intended on cheese preferences, nationalities, style, aging or fat content intended I am the cheesehead, goo goo g'joob know'm say'n? just look at all those awards for Bayley Hazen Blue and after it came back to earth?... they ate it!!!! back to my kefir making... probiotics to the people!
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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 08:28

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"If you ever have the chance to put their Camembert against ANY French camembert, go ahead try it" That's some statement there! I've tried several American Camembert before, and none of them really came close. I'll try the one in your link if I can find it in California. However, if I'm not mistaken, the production of cheeses made from raw milk has been prohibited in the US since 1949; you cannot make a "Real" camembert without raw milk, ideally raw milk from Normandie.
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Submitted by Alain on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 08:24

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@direwulf. As a Frenchman and as a deadhead since 1972, I consider the Grateful Dead to be an American band above all else. In France, the group has never had more than a success of esteem, and it is very little known. I think it is better known and appreciated in Britain and Germany. I'm French, but I recognize that I much prefer the Dead's music than the pie chart. This is of course only a question of personal taste. :-)
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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 08:42

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Member.... 1986; 6/30/86 Riverbend and 7/4/86 Buffalo were great, don’t remember so much of Alpine (1st time there, I do remeber it was a blast camping in the far lot etc, and that whole trip was insane!) ...recall thinking Akron was lame? It seemed like altemont with burning tires and wierd shit, but a, that might of been something I ate?? and/or the comparative let down after Riverbend? Remember Dylan came out to jam but it wasn’t happening.....have never heard this show because of my memories, perhaps I should at least give it a spin sometime.... not familiar with 6/22, will have to check it out.... 1978; I’ve tried again to get jazzed by this box, (have listened to 1st, 3rd and 5th so far), but meh, imho it’s white bread...perfectly fine shows etc, I like them (3rd is fav so far...) their just not wierd/psychedelic enough to move me. Of course that’s how I feel in general about the Mickey Godchaux Band.....I’m sure I won’t feel this way about the new Box!! 7-4-87; nother one I recall feeling was lame and the overall vibe was pure shit show??? Got so turned off by summer shit winds tour,(Alpine, Wonderland, Chrotchfester, Boston) combined with choices of venues in the fall, I sat out fall tour.....luckily Hampton 3/26-28/88 rekindled the hope. Did like Chrotchfester show..... 7/4/89; still really dig this one, perhaps tour favorite, or 7/17/89.....both were great shows, 7/4 being home base in those days was great fun. Alpine was great show, bit less fun (personal experience/logistics etc, not the show it self) So Dave WTF......tap, tap, tap hear our collective feet tapping, waiting......for number 27....... Received 23 I think it was 1/22/78 on August 1st last year. If they follow the usual timelines, they ought to be dropping this one sooner than later. Hurry up ya bastids, sone of us have nothing else to look forward too, lol, and we NEED A FIX!!! That is all. Remeber, “Dancing is a contact sport, have fun but be safe” And keep hydrated, and ware your sunblock it’s nasty out there.... Party on Garth!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 09:10

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Half way through JPB’s, good so far, about what you’d expect, nothing crazy.... Selvins......not enough time for full comment, but generally ok book, could of been good if he’d get out of the way of his own coffee breath as Jon Evison would say....obviously he has an axe to grind with the Lesh’s...There was so much material to work with that a great book could of just reported things without the constant little digs and his personal opinions etc. There where also just enough factual mistakes to question his authority on the subject. For someone who says he’s not a head, but has had all this access and experience on their beat, it occasionally felt like he was just another wanker trying to cash in. I did like how he eventually tied it together in a positive spin about FTW, and how WE the fans made it happen etc, even if I disagree about the choice of Trey and his critique of the music. He did capture the essence of the excitement about the shows, and the travel plans etc. I remember feeling like all that was what made it fun.....reliving the whole excitement and process/preparations etc e.g., where are we going to watch, what are we going to do etc.... As far as surprises, I probably knew about half of it, or most of the general nonsense that was going on. I guess I was enlightened about others participation/roles in the whole mess, and why certain thinks we’re said and done. But of course those opinions are partly based on his obviously biased view, since no one inside has, or probably never will correct the record.....would like to go back and read some of the other books over again now......also, need to read his Altemount to see if this is always his style, or is he really have it out for the Lesh’s? Remeber folks, these guys are just people, not gods. So just like the rest of us, sometimes their going to do dumb/shitty stuff, especially when your scared and your future is completely up in the air etc. I’m not condoning some of the behavior, just saying that when you look at the big picture objectively, you can perhaps understand things a little.... Most importantly, we can’t let any of this diminish what it’s really all about, the MUSIC!! “Sweet, sweet, music....”
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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 09:12

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Old tv show called Route 66 had a episode called "Three Sides". Excerpt follows. Tod Stiles: I remember something Dad used to say. Buz Murdock: What's that? Tod Stiles: Whenever you reach an impasse look at the third side of the coin. Buz Murdock: The third side? Tod Stiles: Yea. Buz Murdock: I thought there was only two sides to a coin. Tod Stiles: The third side is the edge, the place the two sides come together. The meeting place of heads and tails. Dad used to say that was the best side, because it welds opposites together. And it's a circle, a continuous circle, closed and perfect, as endless as understanding itself.
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Submitted by 80sfan on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 10:06

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Wow I actually totally forgot that we have another Dave's coming in the next several weeks. We are beyond spoiled. Hmm, I'm always bad at guessing these things. Doesn't seem like TPTB care about what year or lineup is "due" (nor should they be), but if you ask me, I think we're going to get a show from 68 or 69. This has already been a pretty incredible year for releases so why not keep it going. Hope everyone had a great 4th (or in Dave Rock's case, a nice Wednesday). I'm still full from eating too many burgers and still have a ringing in my ear from the fireworks. Truly a sign of a good holiday.
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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 10:26

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Ahh, great board shop back in the day..... I always liked the old saying “there are three sides to every story, side one, side two, and the truth which lies somewhere in the middle ; ) Probably apropos of the book also? As for the Fourth, wierd day, fires all around us, hot and windy, so all Fireworks canceled. It looked surreal, all dark like the flat light in December....HOA just stained the deck and this morning there is ash all stuck to it.... also, back to work today so had to dial the “fun” back.... Hope all y’all had a great day!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 10:33

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Once again I have to say it. Why don’t they take pre-orders before they run production, then guestsmste what they’ll need for the rest of general market and individual sales etcThis way everybodygets a copy and they don’t get stuck with too much overstock, although some would be good for Johnny come latelys etc... Also, not having limited/numbered etc might remove some of the greed/resale factor...so people wouldn’t be buying multiple copies for resale...
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Submitted by ty627 on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 10:35

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I feel like an 80’s release is coming and the year I would like to see is 1982. If I could pick the show it would be 8-10-82 from Iowa City with an unreal Eyes among other gems. Best guess for an 82 release would be 10-10-82 Frost. I love all of the speculation around the time of a new release. We are spoiled silly and I am happy for whatever may be coming our way.
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Submitted by dmcvt on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 11:22

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point taken on this, however virtually no commercially imported French Camembert is raw milk sourced due to excessive regulations. Small scale artisans minimally process and may use raw milk, see below... What does this have to do with the GOGD? Vermont Senator Pat Leahy is a dead head.But do the cows listen to the dead in the milking parlor? https://culturecheesemag.com/cheese-bites/cheesemakers-congress-call-ou… aw shucks, it might almost look like politics but keep reading, Blythedale is a raw milk cheese producer https://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/vermont/
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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 11:38

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Good post-I have never heard of the tv show "Route 66". But your quote provides a great example of how there often (always?) more ways of looking at any given situation than is immediately apparent. I am suddenly reminded of an old Todd Rundgren song -I can't remember what its called, but I'm pretty sure its on "A Wizard, A True Star", The chorus goes-"You want the obvious-you'll get the obvious" or some such.
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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 11:55

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Camembert is not what it used to be, since now in France, they allow pasteurized milk camembert to be labelled as "Appelation Controlee"Dead content? Sure: John Mayer is like a pasteurized Jerry. Still really good, but not the real thing.
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Submitted by musicnow on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 12:34

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All this talk about the next Dave's pick, all I have to say is "What about Gainesville?" 11-29-80 would make a great pick and would make many happy heads!
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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Thu, 07/05/2018 - 13:16

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I'm hoping this won't be the next DaP...these two shows deserve the small box treatment, just like RFK last year.
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