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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • Oroborous
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    Like 89 Alpine....Had new job and no money from taking several months off in 88 while “working for the state” still had Florida fall 88 debt to cover etc, so not able to do as much as usual. Also, my semi-respectable Cousin had new REAL job etc. so we only got to do 17&18th. He had a brand new Grand Prix, so me being the “Neal” back then he had me drive. Don’t recall too much, just we were stuck in the main paved lot, sleeping in the car etc. Amazing show on 17, great on 18th, but all that rain, and they had just resodded and I believe made the hill bigger/steeper to add more capacity. So of course the sod was washing away and down would go huge groups of heads down the side of the hill when the sod gave way, wheeeee! Talk about a mud fest! I think I ended up on one little island of stubborn sod that held fast, just enough room for me to boogie on all alone in the middle of a sea of mud ; ) But then I had to drive all night back to WNY to get us both to work! Funny thing, 2nd day we were trying to leave to find a hose some where and some real grub. So we’re waiting by exit to pull out, and little tiny clown like car full of like 10 kids are taking forever to pull out. Finally she starts to go, but hesitates and stops, then she try’s again, but had not returned car to drive after backing up so as not to stick out into road, so next thing we know, this car with freaks hanging out the window etc, smashes into my Cousins beautiful brand new car. Of course like 10 state troopers are standing there watching the whole comical scene! Luckily they left me totally alone, and only fucked with the other driver, and my cousins car wasn’t too bad (minor bumper dent etc). That could of turned ugly for me very fast...... Have 2 even better stories from Alpine 87, but perhaps another time. Seems only my evil twin and I really appreciate the old war stories?
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    Great story, thanks for sharing. Have many similar memories, usually no planes involved, but often calling in “sick” from hotel pay phones (had to pre pay long distance so when Louy the boss answered, the operator wasn’t there lol) and many a night I would drive us ALL night so we could make it to work the next morning....Some day I’ll have to break some out.... Oh too be young again...
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    Phew, what a weekend. 2 fine D&C shows Friday and Saturday. Received a care package of 2 DPs and 2 RTs from real gone Monday off, so Rocked out to new shows all day, and of course the announcement of DaP 27! Friday was all over the place, a few fine peaks, a couple of Train wrecks, but the Terrapin>St Stephen>the 11 made all worth while. Definetly worth checking out! Great job on those! The rest of the set not too shabby either... Saturday more consistency, all around good show, but nothing mind blowing. Was hoping for the DS, but.... Personally, I’m stoked for some 83. More hot shows in there than many realize; not a “taper” so do not have encyclopedic knowdlege, but know 4/12, 4/15, 4/16, 4/17, 6/22, 8/27; 10 14+15, 10/23; and of course that MSG St Steve’s are all hot shows, Sounds like I need to check out the Santa Fe stuff too? To all who are disappointed, remeber folks the Band played for THIRTY years, not 4! “And every year always has some great moments, and at least a few great shows, (Just gotta poke around) so get over it, and be grateful that we have such amazing, still flowing, realeses to bitch about. Oy, such 1st world problems... Unfortunately, Dave pretty much spells out the source situation, but he also says there is more usable stuff.... Just hope it sounds great. I know first hand how amazing 10/14 and 3/27/88 were live, amazing shows, some of the best I was fortunate enough to see, but the realeses don’t seem to fully bring that out. I remember thinking that 10/14 everyone in the whole production was on that night. The band kicked ass, the sound was amazing, even sitting on the side in that old barn, and the lights, phheeww. Lil red sweethearts didn’t hurt either... Now, I do still enjoy this realese, Hell I live for realeses of good shows I was at, but imho it just doesn’t fully translate? I think perhaps it’s not as much breathing room as a multi-track, and definetly less dynamic range.... Point being it still is a great listen and I thank Dick every time I fire it up. So even though it’s not a full Norman, multi-track from fall 73, I’m gonna love it, hope all y’all can too....rember Eecktar’s rule of relativity, “a little bit of somethin is better than all of nothing” ; ) So be Grateful!
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    The Grateful Dead leased the vault to Rhino for 10 years, in about 2005. Rhino spent 30 million. That contract was renewed a year or two ago. Rhino owns the licensing rights for ALL recordings, merchandise, logos, emblems, and this website. That to me is selling the vault.
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    I only noticed after The Dead came to England in 1981-reading a review of a show I hadn't been to revealed that they had played a completely different set to the one I had heard. The broadcast Essen Germany show from March 1981 was also different from the show I had seen. In those days, most live albums seemed to be compilations of songs from the whole tour, rather than a recording of one particular show, which suggested the same set list played throughout. Obviously both Europe 72 and Steal Your Face fell into this category. Both horrendously, misrepresentative too, but that's another story. Occasionally one show was featured - The Who's Live at Leeds comes to mind. But having recently heard their Live at Hull album from the some tour, the level of similarity from show to show for some bands verged on the uncanny.
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    The longer the better right? If you're looking for something off the beaten path, try 12/18/73. That whole damn show needs to be released. 6/30/73 is pretty good too. I think Roanoke too, I forget the date....Sept something 74
  • JimInMD
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    Shit.. early on (at least for me) it was more like both going to all I can afford and somehow not creating the optics that I didn't care about fiscal responsibility and was not robbing trains to support my GD habit. 35 years later.. not much has changed. Looking back.. I could have probably found a way to see at least another few shows if I was just a little smarter about it, but I did what I could. And what and adventure it was (and still is).
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    That was a revelation, and that's one of the things that hooked me. I think I got that at the BCT August 72 shows. I realized I could see a totally different show, and maybe hear the songs I wanted to hear but didn't. It's also interesting because we talked about the different musical genres in each night, 'Yeah that was the spacey night, next night was the rockin' night. That was it. I started going to all three,(four? five? six?) and also started traveling to shows on the west coast. Oh what fun times!
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    ....yeah. I realized that during Long Beach '87. "And they won't repeat a song?" Some head sitting next to me. "Nope." Me. Staring blankly. "But it's Sunday. Dammit!" All bets were off after that revelation....a year later, I hit all 3 Long Beach shows, and was trading tapes ravenously. We had six tape decks going at once for a while. Grate times. And there's nothing weird about Desolation Row. Hindsight is 20/20. Back then, that was a bathroom song. Stupid youth....
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    Great show.. I realize as I write this that it might sound weird.. but I really loved that Desolation Row (from 7/19), might just be my favorite part of the DVD. Ok.. add in the Deal. The start of the second set is amazing too, a great China>Rider, Playing UJB SOTM. Wow. I didn't catch that one, so I'm glad it was released on DVD at least.
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Have you heard their 'Nomad' series? 4 individual self-releases all worthy of adding to your collection should you be inclined. They have a box set of the series (actually the size of GD's 'Ladies & Gentlemen'...) with a 5th CD of bonus tracks/outtakes.
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Same here - I've loved 'em since Trinity Session and onward. I've never had the chance to see them live, you?
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Yes Strider, that wind before the ABQ show was crazy. Never had a wind delay before, and it really made a mess of the entrance. Was just walking through the gates when Halfstep started and made it to our seats just in time for across the rio grandio. My wife was wowed by Meyer and how he fit with the group. She was not wowed with how they slowed down Johnny B Good compared to the old days ("That must have been Bobby's decision" she said, "John should have taken over like he did on Uncle John's Band"). Was pretty confident they would open with Halfstep about a mile from the rio, having looked at the last 6 show lists, it was one of the best choices not played recently to open and boy did it fit the locale. Good show, but not as good as either of last years shows I saw in Boulder (I think, about the same as the first night).
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....I've seen them three times. Only once in Vegas. The audience was pretty rowdy. They haven't been back since. Twice in California.
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Appreciate the shout-outs for my recollection of my first show in 1974 (several pages back). That era of the Dead is so tasty, the band was so agile, and they were definitely firing on all engines. Keith's jazz leanings with his ragtime and swing were so fully realized with the band by this point. Since Mickey was gone and Billy fully took charge on drums, this left Keith with so much 'space' to punctuate and also counterpoint sonically with Jerry. Over the years we have seen how Jerry's response to those keyboard players provided such soaring jams, and the Keith era shares this hallowed ground. Bobby and Phil were game to follow (and lead) in this configuration of the Dead who reached deeply into their bag of tricks to delight and astound us nightly. While each line-up/era of the Dead is unique, (there really is no debate there) the Keith-era was/is a revelation. Thanks to my bizzaro-alter ego Oroborous (Oroboros with a U) for reminding me to share my story, and I echo his sentiment that these 'road tales' are great fun to share. Your posts give me a taste of a show and era I attended (or maybe missed out on). I am greatly appreciative of you heads after my avid touring slowed (once my children arrived in the early 80's) to 1 or 2 shows per year. You all stepped up to keep the circus on the road for us all, and that was key! Also quite enjoy the discussion of other bands (CSNY, Neil, CCR, etc.) whom I know and some others (Cowboy Junkies, etc.) I need to become more familiar with. Many props, brothers and sisters, keep the dialogue rolling and "at least I'll enjoy the ride". Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
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Looks like my AOTS 50th is sitting on my door step. I do not remember getting fast shipment on this maybe they finally realized smart-post is a horrible service.
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Place your final predictions folks. I'll go with 5/25/74 Santa Barbara CA as a complement to the 73/74 box.
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Monday July 16th 10AM PT Ok great news but what's the show? I'm going with 12/1/79.
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a date that shall live in joy :)))
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a few months ago I predicted 5/25/74 would be a DaP this year. It would be an "adjacent" show, like Thin hinted at. I place my bets on 5/25/74. 10 gold dollars on 5/25/74 to win
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I got Happy Trails on vinyl at an estate sale a few years back. tried it a few times, but it didn't do anything for me. I gave it a listen or two on vinyl recently (and is playing on youtube as I post). Pretty all right. a lysergic state of mind would probably help make it _awesome_ magnificent cover art
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9/14/90... I think they'll find a way to get this whole run out one day. Most have already been released either as a dicks pick or a road trips compilation but would love to see this one set free as well
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5/25/74 would be a great pick! My memory of listening to it is very well played with a lot of energy. It could use an upgrade compared to what's in circulation. The most recent pure soundboard of it on archive.org is an extremely ancient shnid of 2635. There is a more recent matrix that uses 2635. Hope 27 is 5/25.
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So my prediction is the same as many of you: 12/1/79. I have been listening to a lot of shows from 79 recently and this is one I am familiar with. I love the show so it would be cool if it was released. However I also like the 11/30/79 show from the night before so I would be a little bummed out if I didn't get both. Really though, I am going to be happy with whatever is released. With this Pacific Northwest box set coming out, the AOTS release on the way, and Real Gone Music re-releasing the Road Trips I am about to explode with joy. I skipped on some of the Road Trips so getting a chance to get those is great. The AOTS has the 67 show ,on the bonus disc, we are getting 6 complete shoes from this new box set so I it doesn't get much better than this. Yet it did because DaP 27 is looming. Good times!
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Rarely a prediction, most always a wish list. I wished for a Summer '73 box and got a piece of it on this upcoming box. On 30 Trips I wished for one show from each year, 1966-1975, and that was enough to pay for the whole enchilada. So, mere coincidence and I feel clairvoyant -- typical male... Okay, that said, I predict that deference to the tape stash enabled by ABCD Enterprises, DaP 27 will be in the 1971-1980 range. Over 2017-2018 we've rec'd some pretty sweet pickings. In my early years catching shows (1972-73) and in the DP and DaP release era, I'm a pre-hiatus man, though I caught several dozen shows in '76-'92. To review the past 6 releases: DaP 21: Ap '73, Boston DaP 22: Dec '71, NYC DaP 23: Jan '78, Eugene DaP 24: Aug '72, Berkeley DaP 25: Nov '77, Binghamton DaP 26: Nov '71, Albuquerque; Dec '71 Ann Arbor I did catch a lot of hot shows in 1976-1981, but the hottest shows I recall were Aug 12-13 1979, one at the Rocks, the other at McNichols shed in Denver. So I'm putting my money on a 1979 release to be announced on Monday. But I'd be mighty pleased if it was fall '72.
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I am sticking with my 8-10-82 pick. I know it is a long shot but it is a very good show. 10-10-82 May be more likely. Pretty sure that has a Sugaree as the second song. Super excited for whatever it is!
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that's called a long shot. no complaints if it is, though. for 86, it is my-tee-fine. Space > end of show is great.
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I'm going with 12.1.79 too. This was my favorite show for like the entire year of 1996. Then the cassette got stuck in my girlfriends car tape player, and it played over, and over, and over. To this day my then girlfriend (now wife) cannot stand He's Gone because of that. Which by the way, is probably the best version of that song out there, as well as the Sugaree. Overall a great tour as Jerry showed the new kid the ropes, lots of jams and interplay all tour long. In fact, I would say this is the 2nd best tour of all the Brent years behind Spring of '90 of course. Anyway, can't wait to find out on Monday!
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Having listened to the Winterland 1973 box set recently, followed by the next show they played, 14th November, I'd like to see a show from December 1973 as the next Dave Picks. There hasn't been one from this end of the year since DP5. Listening as I have been, it seems that shows from the end of 1973 might just have been the pinnacle of the year, in terms of great playing. It would also form a nice bridge between the summers of 1973 and 1974 included in the box.
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Lot of calls for 12/1/79.
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Posted a while back about them during The Who vs. The Doors debate. Very cool band. One of Canadaland's finest. Have seen them four times. Got to meet Margo after one show and talked for about 15 minutes. Mostly about the Maple Leafs. Awesome lady. Down to earth. Probably my favorite female vocalist along with Emmylou Harris. Sultry voice. Not sure I would enjoy a rowdy crowd. Wrong kind of band for that.
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....the band appeared frustrated that night to be sure. I felt bad for them and embarrassed for Vegas. I wanted to shout out "STFU!!!", but knew better. I also met Margo after a show. She is beautiful. I felt like a middle schooler with a crush on his teacher.
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March 9, 1981...... or 7-10-81 if Sugaree is indeed the 2nd song.
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just a note if you buy 8/13/93 from livephish.com I say go with the CD format because Highway to Hell is NOT on the download due to royalties shit
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That it will be from the second half of their career. So overdue, it's getting funky in here. Something with a Shakedown, or Feel Like a Stranger, Lost Sailor>Saint, Brother Esau, Althea....hmmmmm Breath not being held.
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I've always loved this album, since first getting it round about 1973. It has one of the best electric guitar sounds ever recorded, and as a whole I would say it is in the same class as "Anthem " and Jefferson Airplanes "Bathing at Baxters". The first Quicksilver albums pretty good, too. There are loads of poor quality Quicksilver live albums available now-but one that's definitely worth getting was recorded at The Fillmore June 7th 1968. The best sound quality of this music, according to reviewers, is released on a cd named just that-although I've got it on "Lost and Found: The Unreleased Quicksilver", where it is pared with unreleased studio recordings from 1967, and the vinyl "Maiden of the Cancer Moon" that came out in England in 1984. It features material from the first and "Happy Trails" but its played with a lot more fire power. The mix isn't always the best-Gary Duncan's rhythm is often louder than John Cipollina's lead-but its an amazing concert.
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A show from the returned reels.
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The wife and I go to every CJ show we can possibly get to. We've been going to shows since the mid-90s. I don't know how many shows we've seen but I'm guessing over 50. Seeing two shows next week. Their new CD arrived in the mail today. So far, it sounds like a good one but IMHO The Junkies are best consumed live. Margo is pushing 60 but her voice is utterly amazing. Catch a show if you can.
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Boston Tea Party 12/30/69 with Bonus Tracks from 12/29 to fill out 3 Discs (No repeat songs): Good Lovin' Mama Tried New Speedway Boogie Casey Jones Black Peter Me & My Uncle Midnight Hour Cumberland Blues Cryptical> Drums > The Other One > Cryptical > Cosmic Charlie Uncle John's Band > Mason's Children > China Cat Sunflower> I Know You Rider Dark Star > Alligator > Drums > The Eleven > Alligator > Feedback > We Bid You Goodnight Bonus Tracks 12/29: Cold Rain & Snow Easy Wind Hard To Handle Dire Wolf St. Stephen > Not Fade Away
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or Gainesville...
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....or Santa Fe. Any of the three.
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...."Dear. You've been watching the Food Network for years, and you're one of the worst cooks I know.""Honey", she replied, "now many years have you been watching porn?" ....that's what I call an old-fashioned buuuuurn.
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Keith Fan, I wholeheartedly endorse the release of 12/30/69. However, 12/31 is also a monster show in its own right and will take no back seat to chocolate babka. I would much desire to see both shows released; maybe a mini box? Throw in 12/29 as the kicker to round out the party. Have a safe and wonderful weekend all. Sam T
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4/5/69 with filler from BOTH 4/4 & 4/6!!!! That would be something. Honestly I'm still sticking with 12/1/79, bring it on Dave we are so ready.
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....is real. I have no clue, and that's the American Beauty of it.
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Of course, Dark Star and The Other One are always 1 and 1a of the big jams. But Eyes, man. Are there any Eyes that aren't delicious jams too? Been watching a DVD of 7-8-90 from Three Rivers. Great Eyes jam early 2nd set. It might not be one of the all-time greats. Maybe not top 100. But its still so good. That's just Eyes, man. Eyes can't help but to shine. What, of course I'm totally sober, why do you ask?
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