Grateful Dead

This thread is getting salty. Even Jim done got pissed off. I was having a sort of relevant convo with Oroborous (check your PMs my man :) about this Phish / Dead "controversy". When I started going to a lot of shows in the late 90s, I would see the Allman Brothers religiously (really Terrapin?), Phish, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident, moe., later on Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Tauk. These bands all have their loyal fans. What they all have in common is that practically all of those fan bases also are into the Dead. The Dead were like the common denominator of the jam band circuit. Hell they pretty much invented the jam band circuit. I got more interested in the Dead from talking to all these other fans at other shows. Go to any other jam band concert and count the folks in Dead T shirts. Some of them probably weren't born yet to have actually seen the Dead. When I was younger, I really liked Phish. I loved their zany, goofball irreverance. Now that I'm less younger than I used to be, I think I appreciate a little more reverance. Dead songs, for the most part, are earnest. They say what they mean and mean what they say. Phish songs are often ironic. They aren't intended to mean anything except as a vehicle to jam out. When I'm scrolling through here, its usually with my morning coffee, or during lunch, and I'm never going to stop reading and watch an entire concert video, of anyone. I just want to read what other people think about whatever inane topic we're on at the time. That's all. Oh and I still like, but don't love Dave's 27. It is neither the disgraceful embarrassment that some paint it as, nor the most amazing 2 1/2 hours of music ever put down on tape. That's enough for me to keep subscribing. Peace.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHIFM0Y87c&index=1&list=PLOKClCNfzquxn8M… A deadhead and phish phreak friend showed me this a ways back. Gave us a good chuckle. The full 6 min is hilarious, someone put WAAAAY to much time into it :)...I am bird... breathes into microphone.

But, I've dyed my hair brown and my belly piercing was ripped out by a 5 year old long ago. Its kinda like baseball, oops theres that Dead metaphor again. I like the team I like, the sport of baseball is great and I like hearing about other teams to a degree, but dont post about the damn Yankees on the Red Sox forum, especially constantly. That was supposed to be a joke...not sound grumpy. Used to see a lot shirt in the mid 2000s, it was a fork in the road with 2 signs pointing in opposite directions. One said Phish the other said Grateful Dead. The quote at the bottom read "if you get confused, listen to the music play." Phish is good but the Grateful Deads dynamics, group interplay, and the ebb and flow of songs and styles is to me just far superior. Phish honestly just got boring after awhile, Treys space and timing on his playing is rarely where it jives with me in the moment, especially lysergic moments. And I was very into Phish pre-hiatus and before 2.0. Phish is just too much like an 80s hair metal band guitarist that decided to do jazz in a rock format. Not to mention the lyrics, the Dead had Robert Hunter and Phish have Tom Marshall. Marshall doesn't even scratch the surface of the depths of Hunters lyrics, Hunter pulls all of America and the common human experience into his words and beyond, not just personal experiences of private college graduates told with lyrics in nonsense rhymes which have been declining severely in 3.0. Dead lyrics can touch many lives, Phish lyrics are not so universal. Anyways there are many tours pre 2000s break Phish I can get behind, sometimes. Cow funk era is tolerable. The hardcore Phish fans I know get pretty heated too, so dont pretend like deep end GD talk on a current Phish forum would go over with rainbows and unicorns. Phish shows are the only time I've seen someone having a great time only to have some Phish tour head in full uniform say to them something like Trey sucks tonight you should've been here yesterday. Too much piss in the Phish tank for me anymore, and it's a borderline sausage fest, at least more of the ladies still go to see the dead! I guess as I've aged, the Dead have aged with me like a dusty bottle of electric bourbon, but Phish seems more like the kids toy aisle at Walmart, dont forget to buy a trampoline!

Tired of curmudgeonly Dead Heads telling you not to share or speak of phish? then come on down to The Phish Tank Rainbow Phorum page on facebook. where anyone can discuss or share phish. my page is listed as a musician/band and has the rainbow logo

Hi Dogon, good to see you back. Count me as a fan of the Fish, and in particular Barry Melton's guitar playing. As for Fish songs, how about Daevid Allen's "Fred the fish and the chip on his shoulder" from his Bananamoon album. And as for Phish, how could I hate them? I have never heard anything they have done. Not a single note. I suppose I could give them a listen if someone could give me a good reason why I should. Toodle pip!

Not So Sweet Martha Lorriane.

Why? We don't have an inferiority complex. No need.

I go to about .8 concerts per year; this year I went to this show. Found video of it on YouTube and been wanting to share with y'all. Guess this song works for right here, right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDDntOqTCgs

I have no problem with Phish, and honestly get a lot from people tossing out little nuggets of good music to sample. They are currently touring and from what I hear playing very well. Nothing wrong with some enthusiasm about something you love so long as it doesn't dominate other's inputs. I have a problem with trolling and that Charles Manson complete album YouTube post that was posted just to stir the pot and piss people off. Beyond the pale and extremely tasteless. Trolling just to piss people off and plain hateful. No room for that here.

posting grateful dead over at phish site? we wouldn't care lol knock yourself out. phish fans are into the Dead in general and if they aren't its because they didn't hear any yet.