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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press
And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!
Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
Re-selling of Dave's Picks on Ebay and such.
Really not sure what, the gripe is? The Grateful Dead sold the vault. I'm pretty sure they didn't sell it for the cost of the magnetic tape, They are making a fortune. Have you seen some of these prices....You can copy your Dave Picks 1, and unload it for a couple $100 bucks. So the resell would allow someone to purchase the next four year, off the sale of one.
I know we all work non-profit jobs and the thought of turning a profit is taboo.
I have bought extras before, the 1977 box set, just so I could have future clean disks. I did also re-sell an extra Boxzilla for a $200 profit and yes it was reinvested in more GD releases.
Demand determines, the re-sell value.Rhino must be aware of the re-sell after market. Are they that short sighted, that every release has sold out, at some point. Blame Rhino for low production numbers and the unwillingness, to carry any back stock.
Every wonder if record companies hold back product and re-sell under another corporate or user name? The practice is done, more than you think. Ala Ticketmaster and Stub Hub. Check the number of transactions, each seller has.
maybe someone bought one and the wife said "umm no, we need the money" and was forced to sell.
Dave's picks have better return on investment, compared to most stocks and bonds. Lets truly sell out and get Dave's Picks on the New York Stock Exchange. They can sell shares, which we can buy. Subs and Box sets, not included. Then we can trade shares as the value fluctuates based on the releases.
Don't judge others, until you've walked in their shoes. All Rise.
No, they didn't
jaydoublu: You wrote "The Grateful Dead sold the vault."
No, they did not.
I cant do it. if I was
I cant do it. if I was spending all the money on trying to catch up on what dave's picks and 30 trips I missed out on, then I would be missing out on future box sets and shit. I cant do both
re: Volume 28
I'd love to say a Greek show for our "aging hippie" Mr. Pete, but two shows from the 80's back-to-back would be too much for some.
It would not be a problem for me that there would be two 80's shows one after the other in this Dave's Picks series. I'd love that!
I personally would love to have the completely restored 9/20/70 Fillmore East show as
Dave's Picks Volume 28. But DaP 28 has probably been selected already, and my guess is good as anyone's.
As for this Volume 27, I am glad that this show was picked for release.
I just wonder if the soundboard recording is complete or do we have to endure a few
audience-made recording patches for that complete show?
born cross eyed: there is an
born cross eyed: there is an audio patch right off the bat on the sound sample.
DaP 28: Post Brent
Dave's Seaside Chat
Worrisome. One of the best shows "from this era." Hmmm.
Reminds me of Dave's hyping of DaP 20. "You have to play this loud, preferably in your car!"
Volume 28
vol 28 4/22/69 The ARK Boston
...although, a 1969 box would be nice: 4/6/69, 4/21/69, 4/22/69, 4/23/69...heck make it a 69/70 box and include Sept 1970 FE: 9/18/9/19 9/20/70...although Bear was not available to record shows during this time period....so, I doubt---although magic has occurred before---those are available
vol 28 1/2/70 FE
vol 28 1/3/70 FE
Daves Picks 27
It is about time this show is getting it's due.It was one of if not the best show I ever saw,and not just because it was in Idaho and I was there.Possibly the hottest show of that tour!Thanks Dave.
Glad I suscribed
Set list looks great, hope the sound quality and mix are as good. yes Space this proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt, 80s sells just as good. unless...no never mind. how many were actually non-subscription sales? a dozen? maybe we're not quite there with those numbers. who cares, if we say it enough it's true.
Cactus Jack
Selling CDs on Ebay for a living SUCKs. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's depressing, it's unpredictable, it's time consuming and it's risky. I do it because my physical record store is in dire straights and I am in desperate financial shape. Who the hell are you to judge what another man does to put food on the table for his family? I'll tell you who - somebody who's either never known true financial desperation or someone who lacks empathy. But wait, you have empathy for a couple of people who don't have the luxury of listening to the music they want, so you do know what empathy is. Talk about obtuse. Consider yourself blessed and move on.
In honor of the occasion
Spinning 7-17-89 (my second show).Happy Anniversary!
I remember getting this DVD and thinking how great it looked compared to the VHS I had. Now in the era of BluRay and even higher def video this DVD looks pretty substandard video-quality wise. Audio-quality wise it’s still pretty good.
just cuz you put on ebay
just cuz you put something on ebay doesn't mean it will sell. I tried selling a 5 string bass shechter diamond series that had virtually no play on it. no stage wear at all. I picked it up plunked a few notes and that's all I did with it. no one bought it. I even marked it down to like 350 and no takers.
Clues on the Cover
That fly fishing fellow on the Snake River could be "the rich man in his summer home", and those two free spirits could be doing something like, I don't know, "sometimes we ride on your horses"?
Can I download this show?
Hi folks,
I see that all the discs for DP 27 are sold out. Do all these discs sell out before they are even ready? Is this a more popular show or is there more interest in the summer when various dead members are on tour? Regardless, I think I would be happy to download this show but I don't see that option. I recall that I was able to do a digital download for some previous shows instead of buying the physical discs. Is my memory failing or is there an intent for some releases to be physical CD's only? I would love to be able to access this. Maybe there were already matrix recordings of this on Etree anyway? What happens when the dead release an album with regards to matrix recordings? Do they have to remove them from etree? Do they have to remove any SBD's from etree? Or is that all just the Archive?
All help is appreciated.
Thanks,
adrian
To Jack........I Agree!
I started my business late 2012. The secret is to hold the Dave's Picks, esp 1-4. I have a marketing strategy for my dead/garcia music, also some hendrix, tuna.if you want to purchase, buy, sell. Personally, looking for a sealed, numbered DP 1, and I'm still putting sets together. You're right, It is hard. People are picky, lots of competition. I did have an offer for my business. It must be very hard! If you have Pure Jerry, Box sets, Dave's Picks that is rare. Even Princeton Record Exchange is scare when it come to new sealed Dick's.I found a sealed 19, 2nd ed, there for $25. ......pdawg
Adrian!! ( in my lamest Rocky impersonation)....
....there has never has been a download option for Dave's. Doubt there ever will. And we love to take a bath.
I will never sell my Dave's unless I find myself living in a cardboard box. Fingers crossed!
@ utschy
Dave's Picks are available only on CD, limited editions. sigh, but that's the way it is.
you used to be able to order them one by one (a la carte), but now the best/only thing to do is subscribe. that starts in late November/early December.
yes, they do sell out quickly before they are even ready.
subscribe later in the year.
my time in Boise
summer 2015 driving family across the country; we stopped for one night in Boise
major wildfires going on
so all I remember about Boise is sleeping and seeing wildfire smoke
I kept thinking about what it might have been like to see the GD there
incredible, but true
had a mishap with a special piece of glass today
long, awkward story, but i got a cut on my arm when it broke
all good now
i had just completed reading Fear and Loathing in LV
felt like part of the narrative
quite a book
Re: Incredible
Glad you are ok..
..and a quick reminder to all you kids out there that might be reading these threads.. don't mix ether and glass blowing, juggling or well just don't mix ether and glass at all. Don't drive while on ludes. Perhaps most importantly.. don't disrespect bats while on acid.
Three simple rules we should all live by.
dreading
Good points-well said. I have done jobs myself in the past that were terrible, and which I didn't morally agree with. Working in telephone sales was the pits-if you didn't sell anything you didn't get paid-if you did, it was usually to some confused sounding elderly person who was just pleased to have some attention. Luckily I was still young and didn't have any dependents. It was like a wake up call for me-to stop just drifting and try and do something I did believe in. But as I say-I didn't have a family to support, so it was comparatively easy for me to change. If you have owned a record shop for all these you have done a good service to people like me. Anyway-good luck.
Thanks for all the enquiries
But I have now promised my copy to one of our number. I,too,have been inundated with requests, so apologies if I don't get back to you personally.Love and Peace
A scottish Bear.
ebay and random musings
first off, Mr. 7171551, that is so cool of you, just a very kind thing to do. It is rare to see someone now days think of others over personal wealth. Dreading, I salute you, family and country first, I know how it is to be in your position and you got to do what you got to do to make ends meet, good luck with your sales and remember never to give up hope, it's always darkest just before the dawn. As far as ebay goes, in the words of Wavy Gravy "for those of you who think that capitalism isn't all that bad, why don't you help the guy out and buy a few burgers or something" I have no problem with people reselling their cd's or lp's or whatever they want on ebay, it's a free country, well it is now anyway, but I believe it's about time to start taking Russian language lessons ;). There is a huge demand right now for all things Grateful Dead on ebay, from music to memorabilia to tee shirts to even ticket stubs. I have sold a lot of my old Dead collections of all things Dead and have not only made some cash (hey, why not? sometimes you have got to pick what's more important, paying the rent or having a physical copy of a Dead show), I've also made a lot of people happy. Been thanked more than once for having what the buyer wants at a descent price. I have no problem with someone who buys two subscriptions to Daves's picks, one to keep, the other to sell, unopened later on down the line, the longer you wait it seems, the more they will fetch. Good investment strategy if you ask me. Does that make me a bad deadhead? If so, then you had better look at those ticket prices for Dead and Co. again. Rhino sets up this marketing ploy so it won't have leftover inventory, plane and simple. If you are going to start selling your Dead, the vintage stuff goes for the most, the rarer the better, then the limited editions, then vintage Tee shirts, then just about everything else. Ebay has made it a bit harder to sell there, with their money back guarantee, if the customer isn't happy, you must refund, so best make sure you describe the items you are selling correctly and don't be a douche and overcharge too much. There is profit to be made on ebay because there is a strong demand for vintage Dead. Of course, there are some things I just will never sell, the sentimental value is too great, at any price. I will pass it on to a deserving relative or deadhead when I go to the Promised land. There are a lot of sellers who have no scruples and will try and sell you a Daves's Vol 1 for 500.00. Just don't buy it or for those scalpers, buy it, burn it, and return it.
Trade?
Last call: I’m looking for new/like new vols. 1-23, have new vol. 27 if anyone interested. PM if so and please let me know which vols. you’re willing to trade and condition. Love this pick, btw, looking forward to it!
Also, someone said dp28 will be post-Brent. I’m not sure, I’m thinking more like 76, but I think that would be excellent. Give us some choice 91 or 93, oh yeah!
PS: Gone.
Thin Re; Vault
In 2005 or so, the Grateful Dead, leased the vault to Rhino for 30 million dollars over ten years. That contract has been renewed.
Rhino owns the Grateful Dead license. Not sure on the current contract. However, they own the rights to ALL of the Grateful Dead recordings, merchandise, logos, emblems and this website.
Leased/sold, The Grateful Dead, no longer have the licensing rights or even have the vault. I believe the vault was moved to SoCal.
it was 36 years ago today,
I first went to hear the GD play
one of the ten best days of my life
thank you, Grateful Dead!
mcgrupp's article....
....i noticed this statement while reading it. "There has already been talk of such future projects as a Grateful Dead musical production like the new Beatles show in Las Vegas by Cirque du Soleil." Guess that didn't come to fruition....
DP27 Listening Party Impressions
Well -- nice to get an 80s - pretty good sound given a cassette master - but it was when they switch to DAT on betamax they had real problems I believe.
First impressions from listening party:
Vocals nice and upfront - maybe a little too much - but better than some SBDs where Jerry's voice can be quite subdued (I can think of some 77 releases where the vocals are not that prominent and you have to strain a little to hear them)!
Yeh - audience patch at the start of Big Railroad - but nicely done.
Phil's Bass nice in the mix.
Jerry on fire for sure.
God - I hate that 80s SBD drum sound -- sounds like cardboard boxes being hit - lol!
I'll take Brent on keys over late 77/78 Keith (once he'd started using the Yamaha CP60 electric grand - which usually sounds very "plunky". Don't get me wrong - I think Keith was a wonderful accompanist up to about sometime in 77 - though I never really think he hit a solo of any great worthiness ever -- someone prove me wrong.
Certainly sounds like a better Pick than the 80s Betty Board from Boulder ?? (can't remember number offhand)
Ice Nine Publishing Co
Speaking of the Vault of music and video being out of the hands of the Grateful Dead, the Dead's home-grown in-house music publisher, Ice Nine that was once headed by Alan Trist is now a part of Universal Music Publishing Group. Now Ice Nine Publishing is part of a much larger corporation, just a piece of paper. Gone are the days...
https://www.universalmusic.com/universal-music-publishing-group-signs-w…
The name Ice Nine is from Kurt Vonnegut's novel,"Cats Cradle"
https://blog.littlehippie.com/the-grateful-deads-ice-nine-is-a-vonnegut…
apologies
First off, sorry if I offended anyone. I won't be goaded into name calling here. I will take the obtuse comment in stride as I think it's fair; I hadn't considered someone making a living off of eBay.
I shouldn't be so snarky, but I'm glad I got some of your attention. I'd like to back track a little bit and explain my frustration: There seems to be a problem every time one of these Dave's Picks are released. With every new volume we see posts on this board by folks who weren't able to grab one. Simultaneously we also see posts by people who claim they have extra or frequently buy multiple copies. The problem solver in me was only trying to suggest a solution that might fix this re-ocurring problem. I've realized that in fact we aren't able to police ourselves in this regard. However I do think If people only bought copies for themselves the problem would not be so severe (Sell out in a matter of minutes!).
Disregard my earlier post. Instead, I can only politely ask everyone here be considerate moving forward.
I don't mean to pass judgement on anyone who has dabbled in aftermarket sales. I was one of those folks who had to sell off shows from the 30 trips set, in order to afford the shows that I wanted. You can call me a hypocrite if you like. I did not however buy multiple boxes. (I remember reading a post on here about a guy who bought 10 boxes to flip...)
I think a lot of the regulars here are aware of the good Doc and how valued he was as a member here. While I think he was a good dude for his contributions that doesn't mean I agree with all of his actions (flipping extra copies).
Same goes for KeithFan, I hope you don't mind me calling you out. I think you are among one of the better voices on here and I hope to graduate soon from the school of complete Europe 72. I do disagree with buying multiple copies, and would argue/respectfully debate what value you get from collecting extra copies like baseball cards. But it is your right to do so, and I certainly won't stop you.
dreading, I'm sorry you don't like your job. It's irrelevant, but I work in residential construction. I've been stuck on hot roofs in the middle of the summer, and I've been framing houses in the dead of winter. I bust my ass everyday and I like to come home and drink beer and listen to music. Being in the trenches of manual labor, It is hard for me to have sympathy for people who say they don't like their job. Work is hard, it is supposed to be, that's why it's called work. But I understand where you are coming from now and it's your right to go right back to business as usual. I've got a ton of respect for record store owners in this day & age. It sounds like a really cool job to me, but I'm sorry that you don't like it.
Anyways, I seem to be in the minority here. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. Best of luck to all of you
Another Reason to Buy 1 yr Subscrition
I have learned that the peace of mind that comes from knowing whatever falls apart in my life during the year, my Dave's is Pre-Ordered for that year. When personal tragedies prevent me from checking my 3 mailboxes daily, I know that at least I have one Pick's and that's enough for me. The taper inside me loves to make HDCD copies and downloads for my DEW Crew buddies from that one order.
I would recommend that any serious listener go back to the basics. Two 3 way stereo floor standing speakers, Two 250 watt amps, a killer preamp and Denon HDCD dual tray dubbing deck. It is so nice hearing Jerry's n Brent's vocals from right channel, B3-organ both channels, Bobby guitar left channel , Jerry right channel and drums image in center.
Cactus Jack
Arguably the first post I have ever seen on here that is an apology. How refreshing! I am also sorry if my post seemed like a personal attack on you. It wasn't meant that way-I was just thinking of dreading's post-but it does look a bit dismissive of you.
I have also worked as a manual labourer. I didn't last 5 minutes. I guess most of us make a contribution to society that is largely hidden. Sometimes even to ourselves. I for one would be sorry if you stopped posting on here.
Ah, here you all are
Thought everyone was back on the Box thread.....duh!
STOLTZY; careful dude! Hope your all good.
And like Jim says, never either and glass! “There is nothing more depraved than a man during the height of an either binge” HST F&L (probably not verbatim)
Dave’s etc; I’ve said before, I’ll say again....
It would be so easy if they annonced subscriptions, followed later by pre-sale for installment offered, added all those numbers up, then added X (few hundred or what not for people who can’t do now etc) THEN, Run production....all except the “extras” would be paid for in advance, all demand could be met, and they would end up with little or no overstock.
Might mean having to wait longer between paying and receiving and, yes that would mean numbered would be essentially meaningless, but that would help keep resale prices down too. So folks like me who could/did not jump on the bandwagon early on could reasonably fill in collection gaps or wish lists.....
Everyone would win......
Full Show?
Deadheadbrewer, are you talking about the Crimson, White and Indigo DVD? Does that have the full concert on it? Thanks.
My wife hates it....
....when our next door neighbor sunbathes topless in her backyard. Personally, I'm on the fence.
DP 27
For some reason, I failed to opt for the annual deal and missed out on DP27! I have 1-24 (where the heck did 25&26 disappear to?!) and if anyone would like to trade, I'd sure appreciate getting DP27 into my collection. Please PM me if anyone can help. I got on the bus in February 1973. Two night run at Univ.of IL.that sure changed my musical horizon!
Another reason to buy 1 Yr. Subscription
Yup, got that right Cub!
Passion
I think that at times, passion can get in the way of rational & logical thinking. At least I know it does for me. Sometimes when I feel a burning passion for something, I start to think that if you don't agree with me, then you are WRONG!!Thank God, reason usually returns at some point. I for one, welcome ALL comments, whether I agree with them or not. Diversity of opinion makes this a great site to read and add my own commentary.
I hope everyone will keep posting, because it's nice when we agree, but it's also OK when we disagree.
Oh, and hippychic, please don't stop commenting here, sometimes, your posts are the only thing that remind me I'm still alive(wink,wink)
My too scents;)
Ether
I remember learning what ether was from curious george goes to the hospital. no joke.
he gets into that shit.
I would never inhale ether.
but the ether commentary in F&L, and the film images of them trying walk and function while on ether, make me laugh so freaking hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Gfq6BwYj4
jaydoublu/McGrupp, DaP27 sound
Thanks McGrupp for posting the link. As the article states, Rhino paid a lot of money for an exclusive 10-yr "licensing deal". The GD did not "sell the vault". Buying is different than leasing. Pretty nifty payday - the Dead got $30 mil and no longer has to hire staff, maintain a vault, and deal with the overhead, headaches, inventory, monthly business meetings... yet they retain "creative control". Smart.
As for the DaP27 sound Q, Sounds a lot like the 10/15/83 Dick's Picks. Not horrible, but not great either - one of the better '80's recordings, which is kind of a backhanded compliment. Vocals are a little high in the mix since the guitars in the room also had amplifiers and didn't need to be as prominent out the PA. And yes the drums are as virile as a wet brown paper bag. However I'm relieved the drums don't seem to have quite as much kick-drum "Wap wap... wap wap...." as some of the '84/'85 recordings. But I'm glad that we get some '80s representation in the DaP series.
Also, I don't mind aud patches. It suddenly transports you to a seat in the arena.
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