Dave's Picks Volume 27: Boise State University Pavilion, Boise ID 9/02/83

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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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July 30, 2018 - 7:02am

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JeffSmith

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"Limited Edition" means what!?

RE: https://www.amazon.com/s?marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&me=A10MCNMI6XFGSK&… The unannounced appearance of the WarnerMarket on amazon offering once "sold out", "limited edition" GD releases would seem to require some explanation from the powers that be. Most of us on these dead-dot-net forums and so many others scramble and stress every time a new "limited edition" release is announced. And after the dust settles and the release sells out, many who missed out must submit to (sometimes much) higher prices from resellers. It is insensitive at best, when Rhino/Warner, with nary a word of explanation, begins offering these once sold out releases at original, pre-release prices (in the case of Dave's Picks at the early bird subscription price and WITH BONUS CDs where applicable). Forget the ethical "right thing to do" argument. What does this do to Rhino's vaunted business model of the "limited edition release" that many of us have written about and even defended over the years? If they're simply liquidating overstock, why not alert the hard-core faithful on these forums and elsewhere in advance and WITH A SYMPATHETIC EXPLANATION? Maybe/hopefully these again-available releases were withheld from initial sale as potential replacements. Who knows? Their out-of-the-blue appearance on amazon is a blow to any trust that we may have had in Rhino and Warner. Hopefully a believable explanation is forthcoming, but my heart goes out to the poor heads who got shut out on Thirty Trips and saved up and bought one on eBay for 1,500.00 or more.
July 30, 2018 - 3:21am

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Bob's slide

I wasn't keen on it myself-but one thing that can be said in his favour is that he didn't rely on tried and tested licks when he played. He seemed to be trying to take the style into areas that no one else had. It was experimental, which was true to the spirit of the band at its best. And genuine experiments don't always work. It was the same with his rhythm guitar style - it doesn't sound like anyone else. Another experimental approach, but this time one that worked beautifully. And whether you like it or not, it has to be said that no one played slide guitar quite like Bob Weir!
July 29, 2018 - 11:33pm

#1173

rrussell8

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Tale of the Tape

One of the lesser problems with the eighties is the use of cassette tape for the soundboard recordings.
July 29, 2018 - 10:34pm

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MV1967

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I agree with your assessment.

I agree with your assessment. I have been spoiled by all the excellent 70's material released in the last few years.
July 29, 2018 - 10:14pm

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Vguy72

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That Amazon link....

....I too, am intrigued/confused. The family and I just finished watching Isle Of Dogs. Love me some stop motion animation. Love me some dogs. Instant classic. Wes Anderson is a genius. Bravo.
July 29, 2018 - 10:08pm

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Terrapin Moon

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July 29, 2018 - 9:35pm

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Seth Hollander

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Warner Market Amazon ... whaaaaaaat?

The link posted by "bakerflippd" leads to many Dave's Picks supposedly on sale for 28.95 each. DaP26 is there WITH (subscribers-only)BONUS DISC for 28.95!And they supposedly have 30 Trips in stock for $699! WTF! https://www.amazon.com/Trips-Around-Sun-Grateful-Dead/dp/B07FYS8P4T/ref… So, they have a bunch of "sold out" stuff on sale at face price! Why did we all not already know about this and how do "sold out" and "available at face" go together? If you missed out on anything here that "sold out" recently, follow that link!
July 29, 2018 - 8:44pm

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Terrapin Moon

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July 29, 2018 - 7:30pm

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alvarhanso

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DaP 27 sound

It's a weird mix. I'm up to Eyes and the most glaring things are how loud the vocals are (and Healy's effects, particularly the weird room reverb on Mama Tried and Big River) and the loudness of the keyboards, and the rather quietness of the guitars. It does get better on Jerry's solos, but it starts out with Brent drowning them out. Songs are played well on the whole, the sound has more punch to it than most '80s boards, so that's a plus. A decent Pick, not one that will come off the shelf often, but few of them really do. I have so many shows in box sets on another shelf, and I'm fully expecting to listen to the impending 46 min Playing in the Band more times than the HelpSlipFrank on this set. That may also be true of most of the 11/6/77 Pick earlier this year, I loved the Half Step, Straw, Music Never Stopped, and Truckin', the rest is good. So much music, so little time, basically... To SamT the 1983-84, '87-'89 Trips were the best of the '80s to me, in sound and playing quality. 1982 is a great show with terrible sound, so your choice on that one.
July 29, 2018 - 7:19pm

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Brian2005l

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Sound Quality and Dave's Picks Vol. 8

Having read up, I think folks are just looking for different things in the sound department. This is not a Jerry up front mix. It's more of a balanced mix. If that's what you're looking for, I think it actually sounds better than Dick's Picks 15 (though that's a fantastic show). That one had some issues (low Bobby; boomy Phil; all treble drums; distortion on Jerry's vocals and sometimes the piano). For DaP 27, the guy who said that Jerry's voice is a little recessed is right, but I don't think it's a deal breaker. Drums could be louder for me, too. Also, it's true that the cassette stuff doesn't sound as good as the reel to reel. To me it sounds like the high and low end are rolled off. Not sure if cassettes do that (I bet they do). Other than that though, it sounds clear and well-mixed to me. I had no problem locating the instruments and following different folks. Sounds great. DaP 8, on the other hand, sounds off a bit for me. I'm not sure exactly what it is. The release is a "matrix," and I think I've heard folks speculate that there were issues with how the AUD and SBD sources synced up. That's also one of those widely heralded shows that just never quite clicked for me, so I may just be mis-remembering. I like DaP 27 better on all fronts.

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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Hemp / Dictatorship

No.. I meant Henry the VIII might not have been so ruthless, not that it would have been more tolerable. Still, curious when it arrived there. In the US, it seemed to come from immigrants, many Mexican in the early 20th century. It looks like England had it a bit earlier. I found this link to be useful. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd7d8d/how-marijuana-came-the-united… Especially the following passage, "It [was] brought to the Americas by the Portuguese, who took it to Brazil, and again by the British, who took it to Jamaica. In both cases, it was used to pacify slaves." Interesting.. nobody seemed to notice in the US until the 1930's, hence the infamous propaganda piece Reefer Madness. One other add.. the hemp used to make rope will not get you high no matter how much you smoke. I don't think there is a correlation between the plantations that grew hemp with smoking for its cerebral effects. Smoking rope hemp won't do anything but give you a headache.

last five...

5) GD 9/18/74 second set4) Orchestra Makassy - Agwaya 3,2,1) Clifford Jordan - Bearcat, Spellbound, Glass Bead Games

Last 5

5. Phish 7/17/184. Phish 7/18/18 3. Phish 7/20/18 2. Phish 7/21/18 1. Phish 7/22/18 Summer tour baby!

Last 5

1. 1978 TTATS2. 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus Spirit 3. NRBQ High Noon 4. Voivod Dimension Hatross 5. Joan Baez One Day at a Time

Reefer madness

Essential viewing.

Last 5

Porcupine Tree-DeadwingPharoah Sanders-Save Our Children Mountain-The Road Goes Ever On Carlos Santana/Alice Coltrane-Illuminations The Guess Who-Live At The Paramount

last 5

1- DaP 172- Exile on main St. -- Rolling Stones 3- Relayer--Yes 4- Electric Warrior-- T Rex 5- What's Going On-- Marvin Gaye

The Last Five...

Well lately I only seem to play music in my car and even more lately I've been listening to audio books...I plug my old 250 gb iPod classic in and away we go...this past weekend I did an overnight burn run from home to Phoenix to see Jeff Beck play...what a show (free ticket to boot)...anyways coming home I gave a ride back to one of the people responsible for the freebie and hit shuffle mode...it took 73 songs to get home and it showed that it had 14,565 left to play...

Bus Trips ~ Last 5 / The Sinister Six :)

7.21.72 ~ then Somewhere near Salinas , Lord I let her slip away 7.21.84 ~ Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart 7.22.84 ~ You Know our Love Will Not Fade Away 8.29.83 ~ Just gotta poke around 8.31.83 ~ Turn on your Light, you won't regret it 9.4.83 ~ Just might get some sleep tonight

Last 5

8/6/71 Road Trips + DP 35 Hollywood Palladium 3/2/69 Fillmore West 1969 11/17/71 DaP 26 Albuquerque 10/19/73 DP 19 10/22/67 Anthem of the Moon (had to come up with a title for the live disc from AOTS 50th Anniversary)

Jeffery Norman

I was listening to to 30 days of dead 2013 this past weekend the alligator>caution and realized that was released in full in the 30 trips box 1967/11/10 shrine. Assuming those came from the same tapes, it is amazing what he was able to do to that recording.

Jeffery alligator->caution

Gave a two minute listen, wow indeed! …. he made it sound good, yes indeedy….

Last 5

1. DaP 26 bonus2. 5-11-72 3. Stone Temple Pilots- Purple 4. DaP 17 5. DP 6

5 & Cramps

GD 4-13-85GD 6-18-83 Set II YMSB 1-30-2005 Stevie Wonder 1-31-74 WP 6-24-2018 When the Cramps are on, I reach for this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ALNptTxNU

Reefer Madness

Its a hoot. I have vague memories of bits of it being show at a Hawkwind concert back in the mid 70s. I always liked public information films, warning kids about the dangers of drugs, especially when they were made by adults who knew nothing about them. "Alice in Acidland" is a corker. Its a sort of soft porn film made in 1968, which doesn't have any actual dialogue. Instead there is an occasional voice over by some guy purporting to be a psychiatrist, and some light jazz music. Its about this girl who is led astray by some "swingers". It starts off in black and white, but when the acid takes effect, it goes into colour, as all sorts on monsters loom out of the darkness. If memory serves me well, she ends up in an asylum, in a straightjacket. Bummer.

Last 5

John Coltrane: African BrassStrunz and Farah: Heat of the Sun Bach: Violin Concertos Lester Young: Lester Swings Ravi Shankar: Hollywood 1971

Bluetooth Has Really Helped!

Now when I am talking out loud to myself people just think I'm having a phone conversation. A very important phone conversation! It all goes back to your elementary school really. Right? Dang! California done legalized some stanky shit. This isn't your Father's parsley flakes! What's this got to do with the Dead? I'm going to go eat some Cherry Garcia.

Recent Five

Angelo Debarre Trio - Festival jazz in Langourla 2016 (Angelo's one badass cat) Roni Ben-Hur - Fortuna Dvorak - Symphonic Poems Brian Setzer - Setzer goes Instru-Mental DaP 1 - May 25,1977

Last 5 and Norman Shrine '67

Billy Cobham George Duke Band Live in EuropeJimmy Herring Subject to Change Without Notice String Cheese Incident 6/27/02 Bob Marley and the Wailers Live at the Roxy Phish Live Bait 14 On the Shrine tapes, the 30 Trips and vinyl release were remixed and remastered from the multi-track recordings, one of two multi-tracks in the box (10/25/89), so he had a lot better sources to work with, and did a mosg excellent job with it. Still my favorite sounding tape in that box by far. That opening chord to Viola Lee, whoo doggies!

los ultimos cinco

Grateful Dead - Fillmore West Closing Week Night Three Art Pepper Meets The Rhythm Section Led Zeppelin III Soundgarden - Superunknown (Deluxe Edition) Jimi Hendrix - Both Sides Of The Sky

11-10-67

The vinyl sounds awesome

Last 5

Funkadelic - Cosmic SlopRolling Stones - Detroit 1969 (weak audience recording but the energy is top notch) Black Sabbath - California Jam Ten Years After- Texas Pop Festival T Rex - The Slider

Jim Brand X

Yeah, long time fav. Old buddy and tproomate turned me on in early 80s. Think I have vynle? Was able to pick up CD a few years ago. On regular play of playlist loop. Phil pre Genesis I believe...so yeah, good sheeet, need to get more...

gratefulhan

Just saw your post that you got the Dark Star spreadsheet, nice. Yeah, I should do timings as well. The one place it would get tricky is if there are multiple parts to it.

Brand X

Brand X was Phil Collins after Peter Gabriel had left Genesis. Phil joined Genesis in 1970.I’m not familiar with their records, but I recognize the cover of Moroccan Roll from my book of Hipgnoss artwork- same folks who designed the iconic Floyd albums of the 70s.

Re: Brand X

They were an interesting project. Moroccan Roll came out in 1977. I'm pretty sure I bought most if not all of their albums. Captivated me for about half a year. It was mostly Phil's band so the drum tracks are tight. I sort of assimilate them to a b+ version of some of the Allen Holdsworth/Bill Bruford stuff that came out about that time (which says a lot). Many of the John McLaughlin projects from the 1970's had a similar feel. Great stuff.. but some sounds a bit out of context now, and you plug in Blues For Allah and it feels as if it could have been written yesterday. Edit: I guess the exception would be the song Blues for Allah. That's one of those.. you had to be there songs.

Last five tokes....

....lost count after three. I then confused Brand X with King's X. It happens.

Great packages

From Bull Moose the other day came a box containing Sgt. Pepper's 2CD Anniversary Set from last year, the new Buffalo Springfield box with the first two albums in MONO(!), and the new "lost" Coltrane album (all on CD). The next day came Anthem (AMAZING live show!!) and some Corelli violin sonatas, and then today came Bootleg Vol. 6 of Miles with Trane, and Joni Mitchell's first album, which for some unknown reason I had never purchased, even though I have and love most of her stuff. Last Five: Dvorak: Symphony #1 (Kertesz) Anthem of the Sun Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder--Talking Timbuktu JGB--After Midnight (2/28/80) Dave's Picks Vol. 22 (12/6-7/71) This new young man at the coffee shop had a GD bear tattoo on his arm, so I started asking him about his interest in the Dead. I showed him the latest JGB CDs (I was in the drive-through, in my vehicle, which is always full of CDs), and he said that he didn't really know about Garcia's solo stuff. So I went home and burned him the 2/28/80 show on CDs. He seemed pleased when I walked in later that same day and gave the discs to him. After I got home I thought, "Does a guy in his early 20s even HAVE a CD player any longer?" p.s My first name is John, and I named one of my fantasy baseball teams "John's Coal Trains."

I'll play

Last five: Walter Becker--Circus Money Coltrain--A Love Supreme the Complete Masters GD--11-11-73 GD--4-8-72 David Crosby--If I Could Only Remember My Name

Brand x

Never heard of them, and I'm into Genesis a little bit, particularly the Gabriel era. Was surprised to hear Phil was involved, but then again the man was on everything in the 80s - (even played on "In The Mood" by Robert Plant - talk about a great song to spark up to).

This is about all you need to know

Last 5 & Brand X

Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dave's Picks 2012 bonus disc 7/29/74 VFTV IV 7/24 & 26/87 Dylan & The Dead Really digging some '87 Dead. Red Rocks '87 box please..... Speaking of Brand X, I caught them in Chicago at Progtoberfest at Reggies in Chicago recently. First time I had heard them and was impressed. Cool band. Excited for this '83 Dave's Pick. Interesting how in the video Dave mentioned the criteria for what he looks for to release, yet stated that he was short of calling them un-releasable from the '81 to '87 time frame. If it's from this era and Dave releases it, I'll gladly buy it. Keep 'em coming.

Shipping notice received

1983 is on the way. Back to the future, baby!

Shipping Notice

Just got mine too! Idaho will soon be spinning on the east coast!

When Listening to audience recordings, use headphones

I feel strongly that whenever listening to an audience recording, one should wear headphones. When you listen to a recording through speakers in a room, you are creating a listening environment and each system/room sounds different based on the size of the room, echo (or lack thereof if the room is carpeted and has heavy upholstered furniture). A studio recording is perfect for this. However, when listening to an audience recording, there already is a speaker>room dynamic in the recording. If you listen to an audience recording through speakers, you are effectively "adding a generation" to that recording. Your ears are hearing two listening environments simultaneously, and the added environment only muddies the dynamics. That's my theory anyway. I'm not a well-read audiophile, but this is something I have noticed - audience recordings sound better through headphones. Would love input from some who actually knows what they're talking about.

Also got my notice....

....bring it on!

Sweet....Got My Shipping Notice

...and so Grateful I've still got one more "Dave's Pick" coming this year!

9-4-83

I'm listening to 9-4-83 and it sounds great. Should bode well for the upcoming pick. The drums on this cassette master souns pretty good. Hopefully the sound is similar (and even better) on the Dave're release. Looking forward to a great show. It would have been nice to get a 'Hell in a Bucket' or a 'My Brother Esau' or an 'A Touch of Grey' or an 'Althea'. But if the playing and the recording are up to snuff i'll be happy.

Last 5. 2nd inning.....

GOGD - Hartford Civic Center 3.18.90Metallica - Ride The Lightning (aka Metal Up Your Ass) GarciaLive Vol 10 - Hawaii GOGD - Hawaii Civic Center 1.24.70 Blues Traveler - Save His Soul

@KeithFan

Yeah, I checked and my Deadbase 50 and it has some of the timings, but certainly not all. There are just a lot of Dark Stars from 68 to 79, which hey, is a good thing right? Now one of my previous projects was to create a list of shows that involved combinations of multiple releases. A great example is the 8/6/71 show you were discussing on Pacific Northwest box set page. Anyway I accomplished that task so I need another now. I think it be would fun and appreciated by those that comment here if I could pull off a complete Dark Star timings list. I figure this is a low-risk venture. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get to listen to a lot of Dark Stars. Even if I don't complete the list I will still have one hell of ride. If you decide to take on this on this task as well, let me know. Combined efforts would be fun. Plus t wouldn't be bad to compare notes. Like I mentioned before I have a weeks vacation coming up and due to many factors it will be more of a stay-cation than any kind of adventure to parts unknown. Might be good to start this project off then. I can see using this time to escape the stress, against, and rigors of work and let a few Dark Stars take me elsewhere.

THIN'S THEORY....UMMM VERY INTERESTING

Thin I love your approach to this subject. I am going to throw on the ole Bowers and Wilkins and test that theory. I think that is interesting about a loss in generation. Here is one for you. I am looking into a Digital Audio Processor for the car. This will do a lot of things like balance that .10 of a second that your left ear is hearing before your right ear is because your left ear is closer to the speaker than your right ear...that's if your driving and opposite if you are the passenger. I know my head wants to explode too. But I am looking forward to testing your theory out....any suggestions on a show to tryout out on??

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Dude, You Must Have a Giant Car

Speed of sound = 343 meters/second Sound travels 34.3 meters in 0.10 second If it takes sound 0.10 seconds to get to your ear from the passenger side speaker, you have a giant car ;)

last...

six-pack. ~GD 1971-04-08 Boston (thanks KF!) ~Brent & Bobby 1988-04-26 San Rafael (different sets)(thanks Matt) ~Tom Waits 1977-10-25 Agora Theater~Cleveland,Ohio (thanks Matt) ~Chris Cornell 2006-09-07 Stockholm,Sweden (thanks Matt) ~GD 1983-06-20 Jerryweather~Columbia,MD. (thanks again Jim!) ~GD 1980-05-11 Portland,Maine (thanks Matt) ...ok,last one.really.then I gotta go home. Diga Rhythm Band 1975-05-30 Golden Gate Park (again,thanks Matt!) :o)

Step Right Up...

they dick around for a while...be patient. :o)

Expressway ToYour Skull

That was alright! Most bands featuring electric guitars sound a bit like someone else. But Sonic Youth didn't.

kevinbrandon.... for real?

Yup - I think you've jumped the shark on sound theory with the whole "getting both ears in perfect 'center' with the speakers of your car" thing. But hey, some people think I'm nuts when I talk about sound stuff. My gut tells me if Owsley aka "Bear" heard you were doing that, he'd say "your ears automatically correct for that, and it's barely a timing issue given your head is only 1 1/2 feet off center, and sound travels.... fast". Take that money you were gonna blow on that and send it to me.... I have better uses for it. To say my headphones theory differently: "Audience recordings already are overloaded with natural reverb/echo - that's the inherent flaw in any audience recording - it's not close-mic'd. Instead the mic tends to be 30-100 feet away from the actual speakers. Playing the recording through speakers just adds even MORE room "echo" to the already over-reverb'ed recording."

Far Apart

Charlie3 - Maybe it's more of a case of kevinbrandon having a really huge head separating his two ears (necessitating that giant car). Must make for a far out listening experience. I think this is covered somewhere in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. . .

Re: Giant Car

Hopefully taken as good clean fun, not piling on.. but I noticed a couple strange vehicles driving around town just yesterday blasting some smoking Grateful Dead. It was hard to get a good view, but I'm pretty sure it was Kevin in his jeep.

Now Now Now...settle down on ...

The theory I was told and .10 was not the exact. Ok I should have checked my facts on the exact fraction of the second. Yes I thought it was a little silly myself when I was reading that. Actually my noggin is pretty small it's the damn nose. I do appreciate the ribbing it was something I saw on youtube. BTW love the jeep pic...Cheers For those looking to mix it up this afternoon take out the 1966 from TTATS and give In the Midnite Hour a twirl

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