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    "The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

    And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

    Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    This board is dying. What's Jerry's best album?
    WTF happened to this board? Been gone for a week and I come back to read the recent posts, and it's 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Minimal thoughtful commentary re: the music. Instead it's dominated by indignant era-griping, indignant Phish promotions, indignant gripes about shows outside the US, douchey trolling, direct personal swipes, indignant retaliations and politically-tinged rants. 90% waste of time and energy - why am I here??? Tempted to drop off like so many others have recently because it just doesn't seem worth the energy. How about we ALL ignore the noise and emotional jockeying and JUST focus on GD music? :O The spirit of this board is to share intelligent feedback re the DaP series and the Dead's music overall. Let's focus, people. SO - In that light.... (deep cleansing breath...) I'm curious what folks think is Jerry's best album? While i love all of them, I go crazy (good crazy) every time I hear "Compliments" (with Let it Rock, Turn on the Bright Lights, Russian Lullabye, Mississippi Moon, etc.) To me this is Jerry's most personal, intimate album. It's what "Thanks I'll Eat It Here" is to Lowell George, or "Laid Back" to Gregg Allman, or "Storyville" to Robbie Robertson (Storyville is a MUST-OWN!). It just feels like a departure from every other album - like a personal diary, doin' it just for you. Can't get enough. PS: I just realized Doc's post below! Hiya Doc! Yes, it's just getting MUCH worse, isn't it? I may join you shortly. I think, like college, it's natural to move on after 4 years and grow up. Pop in for the occasional alumni day.... There's only so much you can gleen from anything - my cup may be full.
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    good question
    all of the box sets released since the return of the Betty's uses the Plangent processing.in Dave's own words the new box set sounds like new tapes compared to the unplangented versions. the one exception has been the July 1978 box which still hasn't sold out and people think sound sort of meh. only Dave's Picks put out unplangented reels and that is because they aren't in the budget. the new ABB sonic journal is a good example of how the old GDM set has been improved by a Plangent processing of the same reels used for the GDM release.
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  • Exile On Main St.
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    Are there any two track releases besides the Winterland 1973 box set that utilized Plangeant? I've read a lot about their technology, and a lot of comments indicate that there is a very specific type of audio anomaly that it corrects best, which I'm sure everyone here has heard of, flutter and wow. From what I've read Plangent is only really necessary when you can hear the deficiencies on the master tapes. It sounds like it is almost a necessity for multitrack sources, but not so much for two track sources that already sound good to the ear. By good to the ear they indicate the absence of flutter and wow, as well as the ability to listen to it loudly without distortion or changes in pitch. In other words, it sounds like you're almost always going to need it for multitrack sourced shows, because it would not be cost-effective to listen to 16 or Four 24 tracks all the way through in a concert to inspect for audible problems, and even if you did have the time, good pitch on one track might not match the pitch of another track which also sounds good to the year. Then when you mix it you realize you have two instruments that are not playing in the same register. It would be cool to compare a soundboard of a two-track to a two track release that's gone through plangent.
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    The more things change, the more they stay the same
    LMAO Rock on!
  • Kayak Guy
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    Bear's Sonic Jounals
    they are a vast upgrade to what was out there. maybe it is the Plangent processing of the master reels? if they can sound that much better, imagine what the GD portion of the GD February Fillmore shows could sound like? i'd pay for a box of Fillmore 1970 GD sets to replace the Dicks Picks and Bear's choices compilation sets. nonPlangent processed reels are a remix waiting to happen, lets start here.
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    The new bear sonic journals with the ABB are golden! Thank you Bear, gotta love someone that demands from thenselves that much intention, attention and presence in whatever they do. Great recordings from the maestro himself.
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    i love the smell of napalm in the morning
    how about back to the real problem here and the fact Dave's picks is wasting the reels on non plangent processed releases? join me in lobbying for a new series. Plangent Processed Betty Boards subscription series. this is an appeal to the powers that be for a new subscription series of 3 times a year of Plangent processed returned "Betty Boards" available in limited edition CDs and digital download forever. the series can start with 2/26/77 Winterland, which would be a sin not to have Plangent processed and instead used for a Dave's Pick release. as shown with previous releases from the "Bettys" the Plangent process significantly improves the sound from the tapes. by offering limited CD and unlimited digital versions it allows for maximum return of investment for the additional processing costs.
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    so you want to talk about D & C in Mexico? What a huge ripoff, I was checking the prices, really? to go to Mexico? Bad drinks, crappy weed, no inspections of public facilities. A woman I worked with back in the 00's was electrocuted in a pool in Mexico, no inspections so the wiring was faulty in the pools lighting, she dove in and ZZZZappppp, found her the following am. oh and good luck with any legal action in Mexico, forgetaboutit. Here's a question for the boys, why the hell do this in Mexico? why not Fla or Calif., or somewhere in the good old USA. To go, don't you have to get a passport? plane fare, cost of the show etc... 5 grand easy, are you fricking serious? Another stinking money grab or is it so Bobby can go on vacation? I would laugh if no one showed up. On another subject, phish, they can't hold a candle to the Dead so don't even bring them up, they just ain't that good, plain and simple. Now Fish, there's a band, I hear Barry M. is an attorney now and does a lot of pro bono work. Always loved the way he played. Speaking of Country Joe and the Fish, today is 49th anniversary of Woodstock opening day, they did an awesome set and you can see some of it in the movie. Good times (those were the days, my friends). Any old timers out there got any Woodstock stories? I have one but it would probably burn off both your ears :)
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    This thread is getting salty. Even Jim done got pissed off. I was having a sort of relevant convo with Oroborous (check your PMs my man :) about this Phish / Dead "controversy". When I started going to a lot of shows in the late 90s, I would see the Allman Brothers religiously (really Terrapin?), Phish, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident, moe., later on Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Tauk. These bands all have their loyal fans. What they all have in common is that practically all of those fan bases also are into the Dead. The Dead were like the common denominator of the jam band circuit. Hell they pretty much invented the jam band circuit. I got more interested in the Dead from talking to all these other fans at other shows. Go to any other jam band concert and count the folks in Dead T shirts. Some of them probably weren't born yet to have actually seen the Dead. When I was younger, I really liked Phish. I loved their zany, goofball irreverance. Now that I'm less younger than I used to be, I think I appreciate a little more reverance. Dead songs, for the most part, are earnest. They say what they mean and mean what they say. Phish songs are often ironic. They aren't intended to mean anything except as a vehicle to jam out. When I'm scrolling through here, its usually with my morning coffee, or during lunch, and I'm never going to stop reading and watch an entire concert video, of anyone. I just want to read what other people think about whatever inane topic we're on at the time. That's all. Oh and I still like, but don't love Dave's 27. It is neither the disgraceful embarrassment that some paint it as, nor the most amazing 2 1/2 hours of music ever put down on tape. That's enough for me to keep subscribing. Peace.
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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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No.. I meant Henry the VIII might not have been so ruthless, not that it would have been more tolerable. Still, curious when it arrived there. In the US, it seemed to come from immigrants, many Mexican in the early 20th century. It looks like England had it a bit earlier. I found this link to be useful. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd7d8d/how-marijuana-came-the-united… Especially the following passage, "It [was] brought to the Americas by the Portuguese, who took it to Brazil, and again by the British, who took it to Jamaica. In both cases, it was used to pacify slaves." Interesting.. nobody seemed to notice in the US until the 1930's, hence the infamous propaganda piece Reefer Madness. One other add.. the hemp used to make rope will not get you high no matter how much you smoke. I don't think there is a correlation between the plantations that grew hemp with smoking for its cerebral effects. Smoking rope hemp won't do anything but give you a headache.
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Well lately I only seem to play music in my car and even more lately I've been listening to audio books...I plug my old 250 gb iPod classic in and away we go...this past weekend I did an overnight burn run from home to Phoenix to see Jeff Beck play...what a show (free ticket to boot)...anyways coming home I gave a ride back to one of the people responsible for the freebie and hit shuffle mode...it took 73 songs to get home and it showed that it had 14,565 left to play...
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7.21.72 ~ then Somewhere near Salinas , Lord I let her slip away 7.21.84 ~ Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart 7.22.84 ~ You Know our Love Will Not Fade Away 8.29.83 ~ Just gotta poke around 8.31.83 ~ Turn on your Light, you won't regret it 9.4.83 ~ Just might get some sleep tonight
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I was listening to to 30 days of dead 2013 this past weekend the alligator>caution and realized that was released in full in the 30 trips box 1967/11/10 shrine. Assuming those came from the same tapes, it is amazing what he was able to do to that recording.
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Its a hoot. I have vague memories of bits of it being show at a Hawkwind concert back in the mid 70s. I always liked public information films, warning kids about the dangers of drugs, especially when they were made by adults who knew nothing about them. "Alice in Acidland" is a corker. Its a sort of soft porn film made in 1968, which doesn't have any actual dialogue. Instead there is an occasional voice over by some guy purporting to be a psychiatrist, and some light jazz music. Its about this girl who is led astray by some "swingers". It starts off in black and white, but when the acid takes effect, it goes into colour, as all sorts on monsters loom out of the darkness. If memory serves me well, she ends up in an asylum, in a straightjacket. Bummer.
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Now when I am talking out loud to myself people just think I'm having a phone conversation. A very important phone conversation! It all goes back to your elementary school really. Right? Dang! California done legalized some stanky shit. This isn't your Father's parsley flakes! What's this got to do with the Dead? I'm going to go eat some Cherry Garcia.
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The vinyl sounds awesome
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Yeah, long time fav. Old buddy and tproomate turned me on in early 80s. Think I have vynle? Was able to pick up CD a few years ago. On regular play of playlist loop. Phil pre Genesis I believe...so yeah, good sheeet, need to get more...
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Just saw your post that you got the Dark Star spreadsheet, nice. Yeah, I should do timings as well. The one place it would get tricky is if there are multiple parts to it.
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Brand X was Phil Collins after Peter Gabriel had left Genesis. Phil joined Genesis in 1970.I’m not familiar with their records, but I recognize the cover of Moroccan Roll from my book of Hipgnoss artwork- same folks who designed the iconic Floyd albums of the 70s.
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They were an interesting project. Moroccan Roll came out in 1977. I'm pretty sure I bought most if not all of their albums. Captivated me for about half a year. It was mostly Phil's band so the drum tracks are tight. I sort of assimilate them to a b+ version of some of the Allen Holdsworth/Bill Bruford stuff that came out about that time (which says a lot). Many of the John McLaughlin projects from the 1970's had a similar feel. Great stuff.. but some sounds a bit out of context now, and you plug in Blues For Allah and it feels as if it could have been written yesterday. Edit: I guess the exception would be the song Blues for Allah. That's one of those.. you had to be there songs.
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....lost count after three. I then confused Brand X with King's X. It happens.
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From Bull Moose the other day came a box containing Sgt. Pepper's 2CD Anniversary Set from last year, the new Buffalo Springfield box with the first two albums in MONO(!), and the new "lost" Coltrane album (all on CD). The next day came Anthem (AMAZING live show!!) and some Corelli violin sonatas, and then today came Bootleg Vol. 6 of Miles with Trane, and Joni Mitchell's first album, which for some unknown reason I had never purchased, even though I have and love most of her stuff. Last Five: Dvorak: Symphony #1 (Kertesz) Anthem of the Sun Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder--Talking Timbuktu JGB--After Midnight (2/28/80) Dave's Picks Vol. 22 (12/6-7/71) This new young man at the coffee shop had a GD bear tattoo on his arm, so I started asking him about his interest in the Dead. I showed him the latest JGB CDs (I was in the drive-through, in my vehicle, which is always full of CDs), and he said that he didn't really know about Garcia's solo stuff. So I went home and burned him the 2/28/80 show on CDs. He seemed pleased when I walked in later that same day and gave the discs to him. After I got home I thought, "Does a guy in his early 20s even HAVE a CD player any longer?" p.s My first name is John, and I named one of my fantasy baseball teams "John's Coal Trains."
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Last five: Walter Becker--Circus Money Coltrain--A Love Supreme the Complete Masters GD--11-11-73 GD--4-8-72 David Crosby--If I Could Only Remember My Name
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Never heard of them, and I'm into Genesis a little bit, particularly the Gabriel era. Was surprised to hear Phil was involved, but then again the man was on everything in the 80s - (even played on "In The Mood" by Robert Plant - talk about a great song to spark up to).
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Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dave's Picks 2012 bonus disc 7/29/74 VFTV IV 7/24 & 26/87 Dylan & The Dead Really digging some '87 Dead. Red Rocks '87 box please..... Speaking of Brand X, I caught them in Chicago at Progtoberfest at Reggies in Chicago recently. First time I had heard them and was impressed. Cool band. Excited for this '83 Dave's Pick. Interesting how in the video Dave mentioned the criteria for what he looks for to release, yet stated that he was short of calling them un-releasable from the '81 to '87 time frame. If it's from this era and Dave releases it, I'll gladly buy it. Keep 'em coming.
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Just got mine too! Idaho will soon be spinning on the east coast!
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I feel strongly that whenever listening to an audience recording, one should wear headphones. When you listen to a recording through speakers in a room, you are creating a listening environment and each system/room sounds different based on the size of the room, echo (or lack thereof if the room is carpeted and has heavy upholstered furniture). A studio recording is perfect for this. However, when listening to an audience recording, there already is a speaker>room dynamic in the recording. If you listen to an audience recording through speakers, you are effectively "adding a generation" to that recording. Your ears are hearing two listening environments simultaneously, and the added environment only muddies the dynamics. That's my theory anyway. I'm not a well-read audiophile, but this is something I have noticed - audience recordings sound better through headphones. Would love input from some who actually knows what they're talking about.
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I'm listening to 9-4-83 and it sounds great. Should bode well for the upcoming pick. The drums on this cassette master souns pretty good. Hopefully the sound is similar (and even better) on the Dave're release. Looking forward to a great show. It would have been nice to get a 'Hell in a Bucket' or a 'My Brother Esau' or an 'A Touch of Grey' or an 'Althea'. But if the playing and the recording are up to snuff i'll be happy.
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Yeah, I checked and my Deadbase 50 and it has some of the timings, but certainly not all. There are just a lot of Dark Stars from 68 to 79, which hey, is a good thing right? Now one of my previous projects was to create a list of shows that involved combinations of multiple releases. A great example is the 8/6/71 show you were discussing on Pacific Northwest box set page. Anyway I accomplished that task so I need another now. I think it be would fun and appreciated by those that comment here if I could pull off a complete Dark Star timings list. I figure this is a low-risk venture. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get to listen to a lot of Dark Stars. Even if I don't complete the list I will still have one hell of ride. If you decide to take on this on this task as well, let me know. Combined efforts would be fun. Plus t wouldn't be bad to compare notes. Like I mentioned before I have a weeks vacation coming up and due to many factors it will be more of a stay-cation than any kind of adventure to parts unknown. Might be good to start this project off then. I can see using this time to escape the stress, against, and rigors of work and let a few Dark Stars take me elsewhere.
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Thin I love your approach to this subject. I am going to throw on the ole Bowers and Wilkins and test that theory. I think that is interesting about a loss in generation. Here is one for you. I am looking into a Digital Audio Processor for the car. This will do a lot of things like balance that .10 of a second that your left ear is hearing before your right ear is because your left ear is closer to the speaker than your right ear...that's if your driving and opposite if you are the passenger. I know my head wants to explode too. But I am looking forward to testing your theory out....any suggestions on a show to tryout out on??
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Speed of sound = 343 meters/second Sound travels 34.3 meters in 0.10 second If it takes sound 0.10 seconds to get to your ear from the passenger side speaker, you have a giant car ;)
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six-pack. ~GD 1971-04-08 Boston (thanks KF!) ~Brent & Bobby 1988-04-26 San Rafael (different sets)(thanks Matt) ~Tom Waits 1977-10-25 Agora Theater~Cleveland,Ohio (thanks Matt) ~Chris Cornell 2006-09-07 Stockholm,Sweden (thanks Matt) ~GD 1983-06-20 Jerryweather~Columbia,MD. (thanks again Jim!) ~GD 1980-05-11 Portland,Maine (thanks Matt) ...ok,last one.really.then I gotta go home. Diga Rhythm Band 1975-05-30 Golden Gate Park (again,thanks Matt!) :o)
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they dick around for a while...be patient. :o)
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That was alright! Most bands featuring electric guitars sound a bit like someone else. But Sonic Youth didn't.
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Yup - I think you've jumped the shark on sound theory with the whole "getting both ears in perfect 'center' with the speakers of your car" thing. But hey, some people think I'm nuts when I talk about sound stuff. My gut tells me if Owsley aka "Bear" heard you were doing that, he'd say "your ears automatically correct for that, and it's barely a timing issue given your head is only 1 1/2 feet off center, and sound travels.... fast". Take that money you were gonna blow on that and send it to me.... I have better uses for it. To say my headphones theory differently: "Audience recordings already are overloaded with natural reverb/echo - that's the inherent flaw in any audience recording - it's not close-mic'd. Instead the mic tends to be 30-100 feet away from the actual speakers. Playing the recording through speakers just adds even MORE room "echo" to the already over-reverb'ed recording."
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Charlie3 - Maybe it's more of a case of kevinbrandon having a really huge head separating his two ears (necessitating that giant car). Must make for a far out listening experience. I think this is covered somewhere in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. . .
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Hopefully taken as good clean fun, not piling on.. but I noticed a couple strange vehicles driving around town just yesterday blasting some smoking Grateful Dead. It was hard to get a good view, but I'm pretty sure it was Kevin in his jeep.
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The theory I was told and .10 was not the exact. Ok I should have checked my facts on the exact fraction of the second. Yes I thought it was a little silly myself when I was reading that. Actually my noggin is pretty small it's the damn nose. I do appreciate the ribbing it was something I saw on youtube. BTW love the jeep pic...Cheers For those looking to mix it up this afternoon take out the 1966 from TTATS and give In the Midnite Hour a twirl
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