Dave's Picks Volume 27: Boise State University Pavilion, Boise ID 9/02/83

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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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July 21, 2018 - 3:45am

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Gratefulhan

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@Moongahela

Hey Now! Monongahela is a name us Yinzers now all to well, could you be a fellow Yinzer? Hey its cool either way. The Road Trips Penn State/ Cornell release is a good one even though it is not complete shows. You do get both complete 2nd sets and highlights of each first comprise disc 1. I am fond of the Penn State show because I went to school there, although many years after that show in 80 (they did one in 79 too). I had an audience tape of that show and I remember the China>Rider being really powerful. The audience source allows the listener to hear the interplay between the boys and audience really well. However I am all about getting that Road Trips Normanized version. However I wouldn't buy it off of ebay just yet. Real Gone Music has been periodically reissuing the Road Trips in reverse order - last to first. I just picked up the 4-1-88 show. Next up is the Big Rock Pow Wow from 1969. After that is the Penn State / Cornell release. If you wait a bit you will be able to snag it in a few months. That is what I am planning on doing. It will be cheaper. Current eBay prices have it at 60 as the cheapest I see. Real Gone Music also sells on eBay too, and it is cheaper for these new Road Trips reissues. The eBay ID is privateer87 or something close to that. They sell the new Road Trip releases for 40.93 plus free shipping. They cost a little more on the website because they charge for the shipping.
July 21, 2018 - 3:40am

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daverock

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Birth of Rock and Roll- Dark Star-Keithfan

I'm not sure we witnessed the birth of rock and roll-unless you were born in the 1930s! The late 1940s-mid 1950s was when it all kicked off. By the time I came along, in the 1970s, it had been assimilated into the mainstream as "rock" music. I guess everybody, from whatever generation they are from, considers the era in which they were young to be the "golden era". And it was/is. For them/us. On another subject-thanks for that Dark Star map. A great incentive to work through from the single onwards.
July 21, 2018 - 3:30am

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Thin

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Help isn't horrible, but Cousins has a point

This Help is a mess. Rushed, cluttered, heavily mumbled verses, and the transition into Slipknot is a cluster-something-or-other. But the rest of the show sounds pretty well-executed to me, from what I heard on archive today bouncing around a few tracks. I only wish the master of the release wasn't a cassette so it sounded better. Comparing the sound quality of this show to the 70's recordings is laughable. But I'm glad they balance the 70's releases with the occasional 80s show and looking forward to it.
July 21, 2018 - 3:14am

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Gratefulhan

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@KeithFan

Thank you! I just looked at your spread sheet of Dark Stars. That is great. I am seriously going to embark on a Dark Star tour now. I would like to be able to claim I heard them all so that just became my guide to pull it off. It is a little easier to use than the Deadbase. I think I will start in 68 and work my way up to the few in 79. Then of course I will need to tackle the 80s and 90s versions. It will be fun. PS...I know an older copy of Deadbase used to have a timing chart of select Dark Stars. I dont think Deadbase 50 has that. A comprehensive timing chart of every Dark Star would a project that although tedious, would be fun to do, if it hasn't been done already.
July 21, 2018 - 3:12am

#1545

72LiveDead

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Dave's 28

When does Dave's 28 (a birthday show) ship?
July 21, 2018 - 12:48am

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eyes43

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Monongahela 11/28/80

While I’m quite sure the Normanizing done to this show for the 30TATS box, makes it a much better sounding concert than what circulates...I think this souce, the remastered schnid 20049, sounds great (link below)! It absolutely works for me, over paying the $40 you are thinking about spending. Then again, you can always buy it off of ebay, download it, and then relist it. Recouping what you put it into it, should be very easy to do. I find this a great way to at least fill in digitally on a hdd, the holes in my collection. The FW69 boxset is one of my serious wants, but it is not so easy to drop 5-800 bucks on it. But if you do, again, you can download it, and turn around and relist it, to recover what you paid. Then move on to whatever may be next on your list. I find this an excellent way to treat myself to the music in digital form, until the day comes, when I can afford to keep the physical cd form of whatever it is I’m really wanting to add to my collection! Also, if you happen to have an iPhone or IPad, the relisten app is a must. It uses the archive as its platform, but is so much easier to use. They do not have an android version yet, but their website is also very user friendly on a home computer or laptop. Much easier to use than the archive, in my opinion. Ok, the link: https://archive.org/details/gd1980-11-28.sbd.vernon.tobin.fix-20049.900… Peace!
July 20, 2018 - 10:11pm

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Monongahela

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30 Trips 1980 show

Hi folks, looking for a bit of advice: any thoughts on whether I should drop $40-50 and get the 11/28/80 Lakeland, FL show from 30 Trips (which is what it's going for on eBay)? I've been craving some official listening material from 1980, as I really like the '80 shows that I have (DaP 8, Go To Nassau, Dead Set + Reckoning). What about the Penn State/Cornell '80 Road Trips (Vol 3.4)? That goes for somewhat more on the secondary market, and I prefer full show, so I'm inclined to seek out Lakeland, but would appreciate your thoughts. Anyone know why there seems to be a relative dearth of official 1980 releases? Could it be the tape quality issue that Dave discussed in the seaside chat for DaP 27? I had thought that that was more of a concern for mid-80s shows, but maybe it affected 1980 as well.
July 20, 2018 - 8:57pm

#1548

kyleharmon

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successor is not the word i'd use lol
July 20, 2018 - 8:51pm

#1549

icecrmcnkd

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Kyle

I had an Atari 5200 console.It was the successor to the 2600.
July 20, 2018 - 8:44pm

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hbob1995

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AOTS t-shirt

Holy shit! I just received my Anthem Of The Sun t-shirt and it has THE most phenomenal colors I have ever seen (sober) in a tee! And I live in tees, 90% of which are the GOGD Rock on

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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Hemp / Dictatorship

No.. I meant Henry the VIII might not have been so ruthless, not that it would have been more tolerable. Still, curious when it arrived there. In the US, it seemed to come from immigrants, many Mexican in the early 20th century. It looks like England had it a bit earlier. I found this link to be useful. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd7d8d/how-marijuana-came-the-united… Especially the following passage, "It [was] brought to the Americas by the Portuguese, who took it to Brazil, and again by the British, who took it to Jamaica. In both cases, it was used to pacify slaves." Interesting.. nobody seemed to notice in the US until the 1930's, hence the infamous propaganda piece Reefer Madness. One other add.. the hemp used to make rope will not get you high no matter how much you smoke. I don't think there is a correlation between the plantations that grew hemp with smoking for its cerebral effects. Smoking rope hemp won't do anything but give you a headache.

last five...

5) GD 9/18/74 second set4) Orchestra Makassy - Agwaya 3,2,1) Clifford Jordan - Bearcat, Spellbound, Glass Bead Games

Last 5

5. Phish 7/17/184. Phish 7/18/18 3. Phish 7/20/18 2. Phish 7/21/18 1. Phish 7/22/18 Summer tour baby!

Last 5

1. 1978 TTATS2. 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus Spirit 3. NRBQ High Noon 4. Voivod Dimension Hatross 5. Joan Baez One Day at a Time

Reefer madness

Essential viewing.

Last 5

Porcupine Tree-DeadwingPharoah Sanders-Save Our Children Mountain-The Road Goes Ever On Carlos Santana/Alice Coltrane-Illuminations The Guess Who-Live At The Paramount

last 5

1- DaP 172- Exile on main St. -- Rolling Stones 3- Relayer--Yes 4- Electric Warrior-- T Rex 5- What's Going On-- Marvin Gaye

The Last Five...

Well lately I only seem to play music in my car and even more lately I've been listening to audio books...I plug my old 250 gb iPod classic in and away we go...this past weekend I did an overnight burn run from home to Phoenix to see Jeff Beck play...what a show (free ticket to boot)...anyways coming home I gave a ride back to one of the people responsible for the freebie and hit shuffle mode...it took 73 songs to get home and it showed that it had 14,565 left to play...

Bus Trips ~ Last 5 / The Sinister Six :)

7.21.72 ~ then Somewhere near Salinas , Lord I let her slip away 7.21.84 ~ Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart 7.22.84 ~ You Know our Love Will Not Fade Away 8.29.83 ~ Just gotta poke around 8.31.83 ~ Turn on your Light, you won't regret it 9.4.83 ~ Just might get some sleep tonight

Last 5

8/6/71 Road Trips + DP 35 Hollywood Palladium 3/2/69 Fillmore West 1969 11/17/71 DaP 26 Albuquerque 10/19/73 DP 19 10/22/67 Anthem of the Moon (had to come up with a title for the live disc from AOTS 50th Anniversary)

Jeffery Norman

I was listening to to 30 days of dead 2013 this past weekend the alligator>caution and realized that was released in full in the 30 trips box 1967/11/10 shrine. Assuming those came from the same tapes, it is amazing what he was able to do to that recording.

Jeffery alligator->caution

Gave a two minute listen, wow indeed! …. he made it sound good, yes indeedy….

Last 5

1. DaP 26 bonus2. 5-11-72 3. Stone Temple Pilots- Purple 4. DaP 17 5. DP 6

5 & Cramps

GD 4-13-85GD 6-18-83 Set II YMSB 1-30-2005 Stevie Wonder 1-31-74 WP 6-24-2018 When the Cramps are on, I reach for this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ALNptTxNU

Reefer Madness

Its a hoot. I have vague memories of bits of it being show at a Hawkwind concert back in the mid 70s. I always liked public information films, warning kids about the dangers of drugs, especially when they were made by adults who knew nothing about them. "Alice in Acidland" is a corker. Its a sort of soft porn film made in 1968, which doesn't have any actual dialogue. Instead there is an occasional voice over by some guy purporting to be a psychiatrist, and some light jazz music. Its about this girl who is led astray by some "swingers". It starts off in black and white, but when the acid takes effect, it goes into colour, as all sorts on monsters loom out of the darkness. If memory serves me well, she ends up in an asylum, in a straightjacket. Bummer.

Last 5

John Coltrane: African BrassStrunz and Farah: Heat of the Sun Bach: Violin Concertos Lester Young: Lester Swings Ravi Shankar: Hollywood 1971

Bluetooth Has Really Helped!

Now when I am talking out loud to myself people just think I'm having a phone conversation. A very important phone conversation! It all goes back to your elementary school really. Right? Dang! California done legalized some stanky shit. This isn't your Father's parsley flakes! What's this got to do with the Dead? I'm going to go eat some Cherry Garcia.

Recent Five

Angelo Debarre Trio - Festival jazz in Langourla 2016 (Angelo's one badass cat) Roni Ben-Hur - Fortuna Dvorak - Symphonic Poems Brian Setzer - Setzer goes Instru-Mental DaP 1 - May 25,1977

Last 5 and Norman Shrine '67

Billy Cobham George Duke Band Live in EuropeJimmy Herring Subject to Change Without Notice String Cheese Incident 6/27/02 Bob Marley and the Wailers Live at the Roxy Phish Live Bait 14 On the Shrine tapes, the 30 Trips and vinyl release were remixed and remastered from the multi-track recordings, one of two multi-tracks in the box (10/25/89), so he had a lot better sources to work with, and did a mosg excellent job with it. Still my favorite sounding tape in that box by far. That opening chord to Viola Lee, whoo doggies!

los ultimos cinco

Grateful Dead - Fillmore West Closing Week Night Three Art Pepper Meets The Rhythm Section Led Zeppelin III Soundgarden - Superunknown (Deluxe Edition) Jimi Hendrix - Both Sides Of The Sky

11-10-67

The vinyl sounds awesome

Last 5

Funkadelic - Cosmic SlopRolling Stones - Detroit 1969 (weak audience recording but the energy is top notch) Black Sabbath - California Jam Ten Years After- Texas Pop Festival T Rex - The Slider

Jim Brand X

Yeah, long time fav. Old buddy and tproomate turned me on in early 80s. Think I have vynle? Was able to pick up CD a few years ago. On regular play of playlist loop. Phil pre Genesis I believe...so yeah, good sheeet, need to get more...

gratefulhan

Just saw your post that you got the Dark Star spreadsheet, nice. Yeah, I should do timings as well. The one place it would get tricky is if there are multiple parts to it.

Brand X

Brand X was Phil Collins after Peter Gabriel had left Genesis. Phil joined Genesis in 1970.I’m not familiar with their records, but I recognize the cover of Moroccan Roll from my book of Hipgnoss artwork- same folks who designed the iconic Floyd albums of the 70s.

Re: Brand X

They were an interesting project. Moroccan Roll came out in 1977. I'm pretty sure I bought most if not all of their albums. Captivated me for about half a year. It was mostly Phil's band so the drum tracks are tight. I sort of assimilate them to a b+ version of some of the Allen Holdsworth/Bill Bruford stuff that came out about that time (which says a lot). Many of the John McLaughlin projects from the 1970's had a similar feel. Great stuff.. but some sounds a bit out of context now, and you plug in Blues For Allah and it feels as if it could have been written yesterday. Edit: I guess the exception would be the song Blues for Allah. That's one of those.. you had to be there songs.

Last five tokes....

....lost count after three. I then confused Brand X with King's X. It happens.

Great packages

From Bull Moose the other day came a box containing Sgt. Pepper's 2CD Anniversary Set from last year, the new Buffalo Springfield box with the first two albums in MONO(!), and the new "lost" Coltrane album (all on CD). The next day came Anthem (AMAZING live show!!) and some Corelli violin sonatas, and then today came Bootleg Vol. 6 of Miles with Trane, and Joni Mitchell's first album, which for some unknown reason I had never purchased, even though I have and love most of her stuff. Last Five: Dvorak: Symphony #1 (Kertesz) Anthem of the Sun Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder--Talking Timbuktu JGB--After Midnight (2/28/80) Dave's Picks Vol. 22 (12/6-7/71) This new young man at the coffee shop had a GD bear tattoo on his arm, so I started asking him about his interest in the Dead. I showed him the latest JGB CDs (I was in the drive-through, in my vehicle, which is always full of CDs), and he said that he didn't really know about Garcia's solo stuff. So I went home and burned him the 2/28/80 show on CDs. He seemed pleased when I walked in later that same day and gave the discs to him. After I got home I thought, "Does a guy in his early 20s even HAVE a CD player any longer?" p.s My first name is John, and I named one of my fantasy baseball teams "John's Coal Trains."

I'll play

Last five: Walter Becker--Circus Money Coltrain--A Love Supreme the Complete Masters GD--11-11-73 GD--4-8-72 David Crosby--If I Could Only Remember My Name

Brand x

Never heard of them, and I'm into Genesis a little bit, particularly the Gabriel era. Was surprised to hear Phil was involved, but then again the man was on everything in the 80s - (even played on "In The Mood" by Robert Plant - talk about a great song to spark up to).

This is about all you need to know

Last 5 & Brand X

Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dave's Picks 2012 bonus disc 7/29/74 VFTV IV 7/24 & 26/87 Dylan & The Dead Really digging some '87 Dead. Red Rocks '87 box please..... Speaking of Brand X, I caught them in Chicago at Progtoberfest at Reggies in Chicago recently. First time I had heard them and was impressed. Cool band. Excited for this '83 Dave's Pick. Interesting how in the video Dave mentioned the criteria for what he looks for to release, yet stated that he was short of calling them un-releasable from the '81 to '87 time frame. If it's from this era and Dave releases it, I'll gladly buy it. Keep 'em coming.

Shipping notice received

1983 is on the way. Back to the future, baby!

Shipping Notice

Just got mine too! Idaho will soon be spinning on the east coast!

When Listening to audience recordings, use headphones

I feel strongly that whenever listening to an audience recording, one should wear headphones. When you listen to a recording through speakers in a room, you are creating a listening environment and each system/room sounds different based on the size of the room, echo (or lack thereof if the room is carpeted and has heavy upholstered furniture). A studio recording is perfect for this. However, when listening to an audience recording, there already is a speaker>room dynamic in the recording. If you listen to an audience recording through speakers, you are effectively "adding a generation" to that recording. Your ears are hearing two listening environments simultaneously, and the added environment only muddies the dynamics. That's my theory anyway. I'm not a well-read audiophile, but this is something I have noticed - audience recordings sound better through headphones. Would love input from some who actually knows what they're talking about.

Also got my notice....

....bring it on!

Sweet....Got My Shipping Notice

...and so Grateful I've still got one more "Dave's Pick" coming this year!

9-4-83

I'm listening to 9-4-83 and it sounds great. Should bode well for the upcoming pick. The drums on this cassette master souns pretty good. Hopefully the sound is similar (and even better) on the Dave're release. Looking forward to a great show. It would have been nice to get a 'Hell in a Bucket' or a 'My Brother Esau' or an 'A Touch of Grey' or an 'Althea'. But if the playing and the recording are up to snuff i'll be happy.

Last 5. 2nd inning.....

GOGD - Hartford Civic Center 3.18.90Metallica - Ride The Lightning (aka Metal Up Your Ass) GarciaLive Vol 10 - Hawaii GOGD - Hawaii Civic Center 1.24.70 Blues Traveler - Save His Soul

@KeithFan

Yeah, I checked and my Deadbase 50 and it has some of the timings, but certainly not all. There are just a lot of Dark Stars from 68 to 79, which hey, is a good thing right? Now one of my previous projects was to create a list of shows that involved combinations of multiple releases. A great example is the 8/6/71 show you were discussing on Pacific Northwest box set page. Anyway I accomplished that task so I need another now. I think it be would fun and appreciated by those that comment here if I could pull off a complete Dark Star timings list. I figure this is a low-risk venture. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get to listen to a lot of Dark Stars. Even if I don't complete the list I will still have one hell of ride. If you decide to take on this on this task as well, let me know. Combined efforts would be fun. Plus t wouldn't be bad to compare notes. Like I mentioned before I have a weeks vacation coming up and due to many factors it will be more of a stay-cation than any kind of adventure to parts unknown. Might be good to start this project off then. I can see using this time to escape the stress, against, and rigors of work and let a few Dark Stars take me elsewhere.

THIN'S THEORY....UMMM VERY INTERESTING

Thin I love your approach to this subject. I am going to throw on the ole Bowers and Wilkins and test that theory. I think that is interesting about a loss in generation. Here is one for you. I am looking into a Digital Audio Processor for the car. This will do a lot of things like balance that .10 of a second that your left ear is hearing before your right ear is because your left ear is closer to the speaker than your right ear...that's if your driving and opposite if you are the passenger. I know my head wants to explode too. But I am looking forward to testing your theory out....any suggestions on a show to tryout out on??

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Dude, You Must Have a Giant Car

Speed of sound = 343 meters/second Sound travels 34.3 meters in 0.10 second If it takes sound 0.10 seconds to get to your ear from the passenger side speaker, you have a giant car ;)

last...

six-pack. ~GD 1971-04-08 Boston (thanks KF!) ~Brent & Bobby 1988-04-26 San Rafael (different sets)(thanks Matt) ~Tom Waits 1977-10-25 Agora Theater~Cleveland,Ohio (thanks Matt) ~Chris Cornell 2006-09-07 Stockholm,Sweden (thanks Matt) ~GD 1983-06-20 Jerryweather~Columbia,MD. (thanks again Jim!) ~GD 1980-05-11 Portland,Maine (thanks Matt) ...ok,last one.really.then I gotta go home. Diga Rhythm Band 1975-05-30 Golden Gate Park (again,thanks Matt!) :o)

Step Right Up...

they dick around for a while...be patient. :o)

Expressway ToYour Skull

That was alright! Most bands featuring electric guitars sound a bit like someone else. But Sonic Youth didn't.

kevinbrandon.... for real?

Yup - I think you've jumped the shark on sound theory with the whole "getting both ears in perfect 'center' with the speakers of your car" thing. But hey, some people think I'm nuts when I talk about sound stuff. My gut tells me if Owsley aka "Bear" heard you were doing that, he'd say "your ears automatically correct for that, and it's barely a timing issue given your head is only 1 1/2 feet off center, and sound travels.... fast". Take that money you were gonna blow on that and send it to me.... I have better uses for it. To say my headphones theory differently: "Audience recordings already are overloaded with natural reverb/echo - that's the inherent flaw in any audience recording - it's not close-mic'd. Instead the mic tends to be 30-100 feet away from the actual speakers. Playing the recording through speakers just adds even MORE room "echo" to the already over-reverb'ed recording."

Far Apart

Charlie3 - Maybe it's more of a case of kevinbrandon having a really huge head separating his two ears (necessitating that giant car). Must make for a far out listening experience. I think this is covered somewhere in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. . .

Re: Giant Car

Hopefully taken as good clean fun, not piling on.. but I noticed a couple strange vehicles driving around town just yesterday blasting some smoking Grateful Dead. It was hard to get a good view, but I'm pretty sure it was Kevin in his jeep.

Now Now Now...settle down on ...

The theory I was told and .10 was not the exact. Ok I should have checked my facts on the exact fraction of the second. Yes I thought it was a little silly myself when I was reading that. Actually my noggin is pretty small it's the damn nose. I do appreciate the ribbing it was something I saw on youtube. BTW love the jeep pic...Cheers For those looking to mix it up this afternoon take out the 1966 from TTATS and give In the Midnite Hour a twirl

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