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    "The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

    And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

    Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Thin
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    This board is dying. What's Jerry's best album?
    WTF happened to this board? Been gone for a week and I come back to read the recent posts, and it's 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Minimal thoughtful commentary re: the music. Instead it's dominated by indignant era-griping, indignant Phish promotions, indignant gripes about shows outside the US, douchey trolling, direct personal swipes, indignant retaliations and politically-tinged rants. 90% waste of time and energy - why am I here??? Tempted to drop off like so many others have recently because it just doesn't seem worth the energy. How about we ALL ignore the noise and emotional jockeying and JUST focus on GD music? :O The spirit of this board is to share intelligent feedback re the DaP series and the Dead's music overall. Let's focus, people. SO - In that light.... (deep cleansing breath...) I'm curious what folks think is Jerry's best album? While i love all of them, I go crazy (good crazy) every time I hear "Compliments" (with Let it Rock, Turn on the Bright Lights, Russian Lullabye, Mississippi Moon, etc.) To me this is Jerry's most personal, intimate album. It's what "Thanks I'll Eat It Here" is to Lowell George, or "Laid Back" to Gregg Allman, or "Storyville" to Robbie Robertson (Storyville is a MUST-OWN!). It just feels like a departure from every other album - like a personal diary, doin' it just for you. Can't get enough. PS: I just realized Doc's post below! Hiya Doc! Yes, it's just getting MUCH worse, isn't it? I may join you shortly. I think, like college, it's natural to move on after 4 years and grow up. Pop in for the occasional alumni day.... There's only so much you can gleen from anything - my cup may be full.
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    good question
    all of the box sets released since the return of the Betty's uses the Plangent processing.in Dave's own words the new box set sounds like new tapes compared to the unplangented versions. the one exception has been the July 1978 box which still hasn't sold out and people think sound sort of meh. only Dave's Picks put out unplangented reels and that is because they aren't in the budget. the new ABB sonic journal is a good example of how the old GDM set has been improved by a Plangent processing of the same reels used for the GDM release.
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  • Exile On Main St.
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    Are there any two track releases besides the Winterland 1973 box set that utilized Plangeant? I've read a lot about their technology, and a lot of comments indicate that there is a very specific type of audio anomaly that it corrects best, which I'm sure everyone here has heard of, flutter and wow. From what I've read Plangent is only really necessary when you can hear the deficiencies on the master tapes. It sounds like it is almost a necessity for multitrack sources, but not so much for two track sources that already sound good to the ear. By good to the ear they indicate the absence of flutter and wow, as well as the ability to listen to it loudly without distortion or changes in pitch. In other words, it sounds like you're almost always going to need it for multitrack sourced shows, because it would not be cost-effective to listen to 16 or Four 24 tracks all the way through in a concert to inspect for audible problems, and even if you did have the time, good pitch on one track might not match the pitch of another track which also sounds good to the year. Then when you mix it you realize you have two instruments that are not playing in the same register. It would be cool to compare a soundboard of a two-track to a two track release that's gone through plangent.
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    The more things change, the more they stay the same
    LMAO Rock on!
  • Kayak Guy
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    Bear's Sonic Jounals
    they are a vast upgrade to what was out there. maybe it is the Plangent processing of the master reels? if they can sound that much better, imagine what the GD portion of the GD February Fillmore shows could sound like? i'd pay for a box of Fillmore 1970 GD sets to replace the Dicks Picks and Bear's choices compilation sets. nonPlangent processed reels are a remix waiting to happen, lets start here.
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    The new bear sonic journals with the ABB are golden! Thank you Bear, gotta love someone that demands from thenselves that much intention, attention and presence in whatever they do. Great recordings from the maestro himself.
  • Kayak Guy
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    i love the smell of napalm in the morning
    how about back to the real problem here and the fact Dave's picks is wasting the reels on non plangent processed releases? join me in lobbying for a new series. Plangent Processed Betty Boards subscription series. this is an appeal to the powers that be for a new subscription series of 3 times a year of Plangent processed returned "Betty Boards" available in limited edition CDs and digital download forever. the series can start with 2/26/77 Winterland, which would be a sin not to have Plangent processed and instead used for a Dave's Pick release. as shown with previous releases from the "Bettys" the Plangent process significantly improves the sound from the tapes. by offering limited CD and unlimited digital versions it allows for maximum return of investment for the additional processing costs.
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    D & C in Mexico
    so you want to talk about D & C in Mexico? What a huge ripoff, I was checking the prices, really? to go to Mexico? Bad drinks, crappy weed, no inspections of public facilities. A woman I worked with back in the 00's was electrocuted in a pool in Mexico, no inspections so the wiring was faulty in the pools lighting, she dove in and ZZZZappppp, found her the following am. oh and good luck with any legal action in Mexico, forgetaboutit. Here's a question for the boys, why the hell do this in Mexico? why not Fla or Calif., or somewhere in the good old USA. To go, don't you have to get a passport? plane fare, cost of the show etc... 5 grand easy, are you fricking serious? Another stinking money grab or is it so Bobby can go on vacation? I would laugh if no one showed up. On another subject, phish, they can't hold a candle to the Dead so don't even bring them up, they just ain't that good, plain and simple. Now Fish, there's a band, I hear Barry M. is an attorney now and does a lot of pro bono work. Always loved the way he played. Speaking of Country Joe and the Fish, today is 49th anniversary of Woodstock opening day, they did an awesome set and you can see some of it in the movie. Good times (those were the days, my friends). Any old timers out there got any Woodstock stories? I have one but it would probably burn off both your ears :)
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    Damn
    This thread is getting salty. Even Jim done got pissed off. I was having a sort of relevant convo with Oroborous (check your PMs my man :) about this Phish / Dead "controversy". When I started going to a lot of shows in the late 90s, I would see the Allman Brothers religiously (really Terrapin?), Phish, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident, moe., later on Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Tauk. These bands all have their loyal fans. What they all have in common is that practically all of those fan bases also are into the Dead. The Dead were like the common denominator of the jam band circuit. Hell they pretty much invented the jam band circuit. I got more interested in the Dead from talking to all these other fans at other shows. Go to any other jam band concert and count the folks in Dead T shirts. Some of them probably weren't born yet to have actually seen the Dead. When I was younger, I really liked Phish. I loved their zany, goofball irreverance. Now that I'm less younger than I used to be, I think I appreciate a little more reverance. Dead songs, for the most part, are earnest. They say what they mean and mean what they say. Phish songs are often ironic. They aren't intended to mean anything except as a vehicle to jam out. When I'm scrolling through here, its usually with my morning coffee, or during lunch, and I'm never going to stop reading and watch an entire concert video, of anyone. I just want to read what other people think about whatever inane topic we're on at the time. That's all. Oh and I still like, but don't love Dave's 27. It is neither the disgraceful embarrassment that some paint it as, nor the most amazing 2 1/2 hours of music ever put down on tape. That's enough for me to keep subscribing. Peace.
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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Jason, Icecream, Alvarhanso: Interesting. So...basically we need 84, and 93-95. I've been saying 84 for some time and I recall a lot of really crisp boards from back in the day floating about. But I think definitely 93 and 94/95, as well, are very underrated years. The top shows from those years are really excellent, and of a whole other nature. Garcia ballads (dirge-like), drums/space, etc. Billy talks about it in Deal, that whole "missing album" (much of it featured on disc 5 of SMR) really could have been their best. Not holding my breath on these for DP28: Thinking 79, 76, or 70.
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Why do chicken coops only have two doors?Because if they had four, they'd be chicken sedans. Ararar.......... Nope, Vguy's funnier.
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I've now listened to this release several times. Disc 2 is such a fun time and will probably get repeated playings especially when I'm in the car...or jacked up on caffeine. Otherwise I'm not sure when I'll revisit the rest of show (though as I've mentioned, I really do like the release). Starting to turn my attention to the box set coming out next month. Spent the morning listening to DaP 2 (7/31/74). I still cannot believe we're about to get 6 shows from two of the best years the band ever had. The last few years have just been a barrage of amazing (and in some cases legendary) releases all happening at lightning speed (at least compared to the past). After this one though, it's all gravy.
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This refund is for the following item(s): Item: Dave's Picks Vol. 20 CU Events Center, Boulder, Co. 12/9/81 Quantity: 1 ASIN: B07 Reason for refund: Item out of stock Well, that's a bummer considering I got a "shipped" notice stating it was arriving tomorrow.
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I heard discs 1 & 2 today (so far) it's a strong show. not legendary, but strong and hot enough for a "three smiles up" rating. it sounds like classic 83 GD to me. yes, there is the splice in Eyes. Some other minor things here and there. I can live with that easily. I like this release a lot. I like that it is from the early 80s. more, Dave, please. release 6/10/73 and 11/19/72 first, and then more 80s.
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in his sunglasses and dirty grey hair, sitting back and coolly strumming the Baba crash cords with I guess the Tiger guitar, that looks like the old Gibson SG. I would love a still of that (i.e. Shirdeep's video posted below) Weir looks hysterical doing his Townshend-esque jump and pseudo windmill, but I love him still. Who's guitar dude #3? Also looks ridiculous jumping like Townshend. But it's all good fun, they know they look silly. First Baba I heard was an Napster download with no TNK attached to it (probably edited out). I have no idea from where it hails, but it sounds like a AUD recording, and the place goes bonkers when Vince sings the opening verse.
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I think it might be RFK '92. If it is then guitar guy #3 is Steve Miller. He opened the show & joined the boys during their set as well.:o)
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Folks, I'm trying to figure out if the recording/mixing quality of DP 27 is as marginal as most of my discs sound, or if perhaps I received some poorly "pressed" discs. The show is obviously great, but only song on all 3 discs that sounds like an "A" recording/mixing is the very last song, It's All Over Now, Baby Blue. This last song sounds fantastic, but most of the previous songs sound OK to marginal. Particularly, on Disc 1, Bobby's voice sounds like he was separated the band and was singing into a bad mic... or something like that. Anyone else experience this? I'll feel better is so. If not, I'll contact Dead.net to inquire about getting a replacement set. Thanks!
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Uh, no, there is nothing wrong with your discs (unless they have skips or won’t play), they were designed to sound like that. That’s what was in fashion in 1983. Put your seat back in it’s upright, locked position and hang up the phone. Do not call customer service (unless you actually have a defective disc that won’t play). Wait, maybe you should call customer service...... For more information on the special qualities of 1983 recordings just scroll down this page and take in all of the informative opinions.
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Nope, back on the phone with customer support. You have to ask them for the rose-colored glasses they send with some of these sets. A lot of people think it sounds great.
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I like this recording. After the first track, things seem to sharpen up. This isn't the best, but it most certainly isn't the worst.
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Have you folks realized that this Amazon account isn't legit?
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Hey Ummmmmm...can you expand on your statement? Thanks!
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...yeah, no. The "surplus" discs are coming from the returns department. In all likelihood, like we've already said, these are extras slated as replacements for defects. So, again as we've already suggested, they must be clearing house; and seem to have already cleared house. I was able to grab some of the DP, but had my order of Hampton box cancelled (sold out- as someone else here had for DP20). Re: Hampton cancellation, that makes sense, as I think when I ordered it said only "3" remaining.
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I took a shot, ordering Dave's 22 & 20. Scheduled to arrive today... they cancelled 20, so I'm interested to see what or if anything shows up.
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If this isn't the worst Dave's Pick release then what is?I've read a lot of posts on many other releases and have never seen so many people that think this is a king size turd. You have to work hard to justify and fool yourself into thinking this is great. I've given this 4 listens front to back now and still don't get it. Finally the last song was good. It's not even the sound quality, I can deal with that. It's the total lack of cohesiveness, horrible vocal harmonizing, and the guitars sounding like they're on different songs and tempos. This like defending your favorite restaurant even when the food has gone so downhill it's inedible.
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if ya hate it so much why not stop listening to it?Pick something else and relax.
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Perfect idea and already executed on, will probably never leave the expanding row of releases ever again. I listened to it enough times to be sure I wasn't being overly critical.... I wasn't. This is the first release out of 27 that I've ever complained.
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It's definitely Warner. You can tell by because they seemingly don't have a solid grasp on the amount left in inventory. I find it all quite humorous.. at this point, it's a gift to those that didn't get them and now can at cost, so it's hard to be bitter about it all. But this is not a scam vendor. It will be interesting to see how many 30 trips are left/how long they stay on sale. These things have become impossible to get.
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As seen on an ancient (1988) tape trader's list: 1983/09/02 - Boise ID, Pavilion, SBD - B+ --- What we really have here in this Dave's Picks 27 is a B+ (trader's sound quality rating) cassette that was painstakingly transformed into a three compact disc set by Jeffery Norman, supplied by Dave Lemieux.
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....I'm not sure if that is praise or sarcasm. I like it. That's the most important factor to me. I would give it a solid B- though. Of course, that ancient review was before the discovery of Normanization.
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Heywood I hear what you're saying and I agree. This show is so very mediocre at best. Band is tight half the time and completely out of sync the rest. Audio is all over the place. It may be good for 83, but I can't think of an official release from the 70s that it's better than. I think it's a necessary step for the powers that be, to keep the guys who want 80s shows coming back, but fellas, perspective, it ain't great by a long stretch, and it's not in the same league of anything that's come before it. Except DaP 20. It's a far cry from the series mission statement. I'm fine with an 80s clunker every 8 - 12 releases since it keeps the machine moving.
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9/25/91avoided it for a long time finally gave it a proper listen H>S>F Roses > Dire Wolf all Disc 2 is great filler on disc three is 3/31/91 Eyes, 20+ minutes 9/26/91 would have been better, in my opinion, but this one's ok.
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Some of my earliest Grateful Dead collection consisted of a couple of tracks from Dicks Picks 17, Throwing Stones and the Mighty Quinn. At the time I was not yet a fully trained Jedi, and was cherry-picking songs from all of the available releases I had at my disposal. I loved throwing stones, especially the jam and solo, and of course I was a sucker for all of the great covers, so I downloaded the Mighty Quinn as well. Eventually I bought the whole thing, and quite frankly I love it. There's a smoothness to Vince's keyboards that I enjoy - thanks for the reminder Stoltzie, I think I'm going to put this on.
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Dick's Picks 17 was one of my early purchases as well. I've always been a sucker for Jerry's anthemic guitar solo on Throwing Stones but on this version, Bruce's piano absolutely steals the show! Pretty solid '91 release as I recall. It's been a while since I've listened.
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Anyone have an extra Dave's Picks 12 they want to sell? I have 25, 26, 27 to trade as well. PM me if so
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I completely agree...came back to see what others were thinking. This is a first - albeit big - disappointment from Dave's Picks.
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9/26/91 was a better show to pick for Dick's Picks 17. Someday, and hopefully very soon, 9/26/91 will be released. But the fact was already established to hold back on some of the jem-of-a-show for later and not to release all the best shows first so later down the road there would be no more great-to-excellent shows to see official release. The only parts of Dicks 17 I listen to anymore is the Help> Slip> Franklin's opener and the 2nd disc: Victim> Crazy> PITB> Terrapin> "Boston Clam Jam" Drums> Space. The Drums> Space really is neat when you're stuck in slow traffic. Most, if not all of my listening of music is done when I'm driving my car. I am totally grateful that this show was released.
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It looks like these verified fan presales are selling out fast. Arlington Theatre in Santa Barbara sold out in 15 minutes, but there are a couple of VIP seats left.
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Not even close. This is a nice release and it sounds fine. Now April 24, 1978 aka DaP 7, I might call a clunker. Never been a fan of that show, the sound of it or the performances. When quoting the "Bee Gee's Saturday Night Fever" during the "cowboy songs" is the big highlight, it's not a good show. In contrast, Jerry's playing on 9/3/82 far surpasses the dredge from 4/24/78. The show from 2 days prior, 4/22/78 (DaP 15) on the other hand, is a great show and far better.
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Wash your ears with soap, it helps.
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So uneven. A great time was had by all, however. You didn't "have to be there", but it certainly helps contextualize some of the awful GD archival product we occasionally hear.
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Working on another HD gift for a member of this board who contacted me for "more shows". I love being able to pay forward the kindness I've been blessed by from the good folks here. Sir, if you read this post please check your PMs. 76 is loaded, I await your instruction.
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