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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press
And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!
Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
OKCDeadhead
You know it's funny you mentioned it. After I put it on this morning for the drive in, I started wondering if I was hearing Bruce, not Vince. So many shows, so little time.
I was in a Throwing Stones frenzy at the time. I also recall a killer one that had a reprise a few songs later. I want to say DL series or Road Trips, but I remember there smooth synths, not piano. I'll dig around for it....
Mother of Pearl
My favorite Roxy Music song.
I’ve been up all night
Party time wasting
It’s too much fun
This version is better
https://youtu.be/hHKFDPsaASg
I have a DVD with Roxy Music from 1971. The DVD also has T. Rex on it.
I don’t need TV
When I got T. Rex
All the young dudes....
This Dave’s Picks is all about Brent
The debate about this pick is not steeped where the sound quality is or is not; though it may seem. For me, the sound is exactly what I expected. It’s an 80’s recording sprinkled with Jeffrey Norman’s magic dust. If you (which is YOU) have listened to the archive 80's recordings, minus the latter mulitracks, then you know what the 80’s “sound” is all about. There is only so much the good Doctor Norman can do. The sound quality is rich, but certainly not in the way that those 70's recordings are rich. I did the side by side Pepsi challenge with this Dave’s next to Dave’s 23 McArthur Ct., Oregon. The results were not stunning. Dave’s 23 sounded better; but for craps sake! not sooo much better that we need to throw Dave’s 27 out with the bath water. This is great show and worthy of repeat listens. No dust collecting on a shelf.
I love Brent’s organ grinder twinkle sounds. I dig the dink, dink, dink…..dink. I also love his soulful voice. This is the distinguished sound of this recording / release. Sure Bobby is way up, but Brent’s presence sets this release apart from the others.
Keep the releases coming! The fact that it rains down live Grateful Dead shows all year long keeps me smiling! Rock on rockers!
Cheers!
Space brother, where art thou head?
I love the entertainment you bring to this board space brother. You pick April 24th 1978, Daves pick 7 to go after?!? I'll get to that in a minute.
From a factual basis, I don't think I've seen a more heavily disliked show in Daves picks than this one except for maybe the Boulder debacle that was Dave's Picks 20. I think half the comments may be about how bad the band sounds. But you're an 80s cheerleader I got that and I love it, I can just picture you with the skirt and pom poms.
Dave's Picks 7 has more outstanding tracks on it than I can count on one hand. Heady version where the fans vote, there's a million songs in the top 5 all time versions ffrom that show for goodness sakes.
Scarlet Fire 4th place
Me and my Uncle 1st place
Big River 2nd place
Brown Eyed Women 3rd place
Music Never Stopped 1st place
Promised Land 2nd place
Cassidy 1st place
Werewolves of London 2nd place
The final tally:
3 Gold
3 Silver
1 Bronze
And let's face it Scarlet Fire had Cornell to compete with so may as well be a bronze.
I'll tell you what's not on Dave's Picks 7
Is this Box of Rain that I'm cranking from April 2nd 1973. I'm having a blast prepping for "The Box". It's been 73/74 Fetivus this week. I guess I should have posted this on the other page. Oh well what are we talking about here, Dave's Picks 7. That was my first Dave's Picks. I bought it after reading how good the music never stopped is. It's no joke folks. I don't remember much about the Big River and me and my uncle, but I much prefer those pre hiatus. The Scarlet fire is pretty solid, let it burn let it burn let it burn. It is a ripping Promised Land, even though the opening lyrics get missed or flubbed or something I forget which. Anyway I'm not sure how Dave's Picks 7 ends up in a worst of conversation but, I don't know how accurate that is. Definitely one of the better shows from 1978. I think it might even be in Rolling Stones top 20 shows. That being said, I think I also prefer the show from the 22nd which was Dave's Picks 15 that space mentioned. I think the first set of that show is almost flawless. Although it does have a couple pallets in a row that I'm not fond of. The second set is pretty solid too. I definitely don't have to fit over the equalizers much on this one either. I am in full babble mode how long has this been going on for? Feels like forever, what was in that stuff I smoked. Good luck hippie chick.
Yours in coherence,
KeithFan2112
P.S. This DaP 21 sounds unreal. I'm talking audio at the moment. If "The Box" sounds this good we going to get high high yes sir.
there's a Seinfeld for that
the ongoing debate about DaP27 is like the old Seinfeld episode where, depending on the lighting, one of Jerry's girlfriend's is either hot or sickly.
I see the attractive version.
the vast majority of you must see "the other one".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFeUrC2gR30
Funny
I remember that episode stoltzfus. Man that brings back memories. I think a lot has to do with what I listen to DaP 27 on, at least for me. It sounds much better in the car than on headphones to my ears. I also prefer this early 80s keyboard sound to the late eighties. I would say it's definitely growing on me. At least the parts I've been listening to, disc 2 mostly. I like the raunchy tone on Jerry's guitar, is that the Tiger?
It's the end of the world as we know it...
Spacebrother and I agree on DaP 7 as weak. The Music Never Stopped is very good, but I don't recall anything else that stands out to me. Yes Jerry says "let it burn, let it burn, let it burn" in Fire, but there's nothing special to me about that Scarlet Fire musically. The novelty of the briefest of Stayin Alive teases does nothing for me either. And I like Werewolves of London as a song, but also a relative novelty. But, just to prevent the world from spinning on its axis, my points of divergence with Space would be that while this would rank below almost every other DaP for me, 27 and 20, and possibly 4 are all right there with it, if not below. The challenge though was for a 70s official release worse than 27, so obviously 20 doesn't meet that criteria; still 4 and 7 are my bottom of the barrel 70s releases. The most glaring issue with DaP 7 for me is Bob's slide "playing". More like the sound of 2 street cats making love while someone steps on their tails. But on DaP 27, 5+ years later, it ain't any better. And you don't have the Healy effects on vocals on DaP 7.
Another place Space and I agree: DaP 15 from 2 days before is fantastic. Especially, the Deal and Wharf Rat. Jerry botches his first Wharf solo (or is slightly out of tune), but definitely makes up for it with a second go at it.
Also, it's fairly ironic that my agreement is with Space and my disagreement is with KF, so this is like Elaine's trip to Bizarro World to continue the Seinfeld theme.
Strange Timing
As I was deciding where to go in '73, I scanned Dick's Picks 1 and thought, hmmm, I never listen to this one, why did Dick choose this as numero uno? Solid HCS I know. There are a lot of great WRS now, but this was a novelty at the time. Truckin' I don't recall too well, but how much better could it be than '72? Probably none better. Anyway, I thought I would put on DP 14, then reach out to you guys for DP 1 impressions. And then I saw the postings from kyleharmon and Terrapin Moon with Truckin' and WRS. Maybe I should just listen to it.
Alvarhanso, I basically said the same thing you did, I think you might be mixing my comments with Ace Freh...I mean Mind Left Body - awesome picture dude! Where was I - oh - DaP 7 has some highlights in my mind, and better than a ton of 1978 shows, but not as good as DaP 15. Love Donna on Scarlet, love the Fire and the let it burn, and can't think of a song more ruined by Bobby's slide than this FOTM performance. Mind Left Body has the bonie for it, but I have to admit, that's a lot of Gold and Silver on Heady. Some people are bigger fans than me for sure.
Mind Left Body - I just googled Ace and can't find that pic - can you hook an Ace fan up?
Please explain
It's comical that people are arguing that DaP 27 is better than DaP 7. KF, alvahanso, you may prefer DaP 27 and for the sake of making a coherent point, I'll agree with you. But here we are, the three of us in our DaP 27 creek without a paddle (and Space brother with his pom poms cheering us on from land), but all of those people voted for a quarter of the songs on DaP 7. I'd like to say nay, but let's see, we are not talking votes in the 10 or even top 5 lol, it's 1st place, 2nd place, etc. Let's be reasonable gentlemen, we are in the minority.
DP36 I don't understand your post. You said the sound isn't the problem, but half of the dissention is being cited for bad sound. And what do you mean when you say DaP 27 is about Brent? Are you saying people aren't truly unsatisfied with the sound but rather with Brent? Please explain.
KF, PM me your email, I'll send the pic.
Worst of Series
Every fool who ever did blow and made music thought they were a genius at the time, this proves they were not. Almost done with my first and last listen to make sure the discs (made in Mexico) don't skip. Then this piece is going on the shelf behind my bootleg copy of Brent's solo album. Looking forward to some good stuff come the PNW box, Go Hawks.
Music to Match My Mtns
This late summer '83 tour has long been my time capsule Dead. If I could travel back in time and do any single GD tour this would be it. Boise/Sawtooths to Park West/Wasatch to Red Rocks/Rockies to Santa Fe/Sangres camping and road tripping all along the way would have been a real hoot. I have an older cousin who first turned me on to the Dead with tapes, including Boise '83, and he was living in Park City when this tour blew through the Mtn West. He still talks about this tour with reverence, one of his first after leaving MN behind. There's a vid out there of the first set of the band at Park West, and it looks just like shows I still enjoy at State Bridge or Rancho....but with the goddamn Grateful Dead on stage! Phil in particular is a BEAST with his new Modulus and girlfriend front and center. (He devotes at least a couple pages of his autobio to this particular tour and period....the beginning of his renaissance.)
Sooo I'm very psyched to have an official release of this one after diving in to another DLP sub despite misgivings. In fact this is my favorite Dave's release of the last few years hands down. Admittedly I'm biased for the aforementioned reasons, but I think the uniqueness and energy of this show standout despite some sound and era limitations. Frankly the peak 70s Dead releases from Dave over and over and over again have started to bore me despite their obvious musicality. I guess I like my Dead a little less predictable and rougher around the edges in order to really highlight the truly inspired moments. Like the Boise Big RxR Blues!
My one suggestion for Lemieux on future early-to-mid 80s releases would be to stick to the matrix format of the Fox '80 release. It definitely serves the music and context better than a straight Healy SBD mix, and I know from my own listening that there is no lack of worthy AUD recordings on the LMA and elsewhere that I'm sure any taper would be willing to share for the greater GD good.
Cheers to the Citizens of Boise and their Surrender to the Cause!
Heywood Jablowme and Trainwrecked said it Best
"It's the total lack of cohesiveness, horrible vocal harmonizing, and the guitars sounding like they're on different songs and tempos."
And you gave to read Trainwrecked's real time review for a good laugh.
I can deal with the sloppy playing since the old flash is in there at least half the time, but I don't get how Brent starts singing on Estimated Prophet or any number of tunes, and there are people who think it sounds good. This just sounds like a band on the ropes to me. I really think Garcia made a mistake inviting this guy into the band. Their harmonies sounded so much better before. I'm no Donna fanboy either, just an objective listener. I thought she was great on the songs she was present for when they wrote them, like Music Never Stoped, Crazy Fingers, Estimated Prophet, Eyes of the World etc, but not so much on the real early songs like St. Stephen, Sugar Magnolia, Wharf Rat, and Ramble on Rose, to name a few. But I have to FF> past Brent's vocals on this show. I was hoping he'd be low enough not to ruin songs for me, and I gave it a half dozen listens. I hope to never get another Brent release as part of my Dave's Picks subscription (fingers crossed). Keep the quality in Dave's Picks and release the 80s on the side, unless there's another tape of the DaP 8 quality, where Brent isn't overwhelming on vocals. If it all sounded like that, I could deal, but that appears to be the rare exception.
The bottle was dusty, but the liquor was clean....
....exactly. Miss you Jerry. More than I can tell. So I won't.....
thumbs still up
If I were to rank every Dave's Picks this on would fall around 23 or 24. Having said that, I'm really enjoying it after multiple listens. Of course they're not at their peak here, we knew that going in. And yes, the sound quality is not great and fluctuates throughout. But the playing here really cooks throughout despite the many flubs. But that's what drew me to this band, the willingness to take chances and to go in without a set list and try to create something spontaneous. I'm not old enough to have gone to concerts in the 70s but I'll take this over any concert I saw in 1983 where Ozzy Osbourne or April Wine played the same scripted show night after night.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, but, as a Godchaux era fanatic, I'm pleasently surprised by how much i enjoy this one. Maybe some of you would like it more if you didn't compare it to 72-74.
Re: The bottle was dusty, but the liquor was clean....
We miss you, Jerry. More than words tell.
Today I'm listening to:
Jerry Garcia Band
Pure Jerry: Bay Area 1978
released: August 31, 2009.
Label: Jerry Made
JGCD0009
Disc 1
"Mystery Train" (Junior Parker, Sam Phillips) — 8:27 [a]
"Catfish John" (Bob McDill, Allen Reynolds) — 9:36 [a]
"I Second That Emotion" (Smokey Robinson, Al Cleveland) — 14:02 [b]
"Mission in the Rain" (Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter) – 8:44 [b]
"Don't Let Go" (Jesse Stone) — 29:46 [b]
Disc 2
"Tore Up Over You" (Hank Ballard) — 9:04 [c]
"Simple Twist of Fate" (Bob Dylan) — 10:58 [b]
"The Way You Do the Things You Do" (Robinson, Bobby Rogers) — 10:17 [b]
"Let Me Roll It" (Paul McCartney) — 11:04 [d]
"Gomorrah" (Garcia, Hunter) – 6:26 [d]
"I'll Be with Thee" (traditional) – 5:37 [d]
"Lonesome and a Long Way from Home" (Delaney Bramlett, Leon Russell) – 23:56 [a]
Recording dates and locations:
[a] February 18, 1978 – Marin Veterans Memorial Auditorium, San Rafael, California
[b] February 19, 1978 – Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium, Santa Cruz, California
[c] June 10, 1978 – Keystone, Berkeley, California
[d] June 18, 1978 – Keystone, Palo Alto, California
Sorry, it's Out Of Print.
This recording probably could be found on the secondary markets for a rather hefty price.
Appreciate your Honesty
devil, good vibes to you. It's refreshing to hear it described as such. I believe the bickering stems from this push and pull against reality. May Jerry's magic twanger reign over Deadville.
KF, check out the Big River and Big Railriad Blues from DP 1.
Skulltrip - post/name calling...
...great post, I concur. Keep an open mind my brothers and sisters...
Lots to enjoy-rdevil
I liked your summing up of DAP27, which I heard for the first time yesterday. When it started, I thought all the negative criticisms were proving to be true. The playing and the sound seemed well below par. But from Big River on, the sound become more consistent and the playing really gels. Either that-or I just get used to it.
Things go down hill again with the Help-Slipknot-Franklins jam, unfortunately, but Estimated and Eyes are fine and the jam into drums, led by Brent and Bob is great. Jerry's vocals are a let down throughout, though. On the final cd, Throwing Stones is alright-although I don't actually like the song that much-and Going Down The Road is great.
Its a long, long, way from the highs of, say, 1968 or 1972- as rdevil said. But as a snapshot of how they played in 1983 I would think it was pretty good. I'm quite happy with it, anyway.
Butch's Brent Hate
"I really think Garcia made a mistake inviting this guy into the band." Wow. So many things I could say there but I'll let it go.
Hopefully you realize the sour backing vocals on Estimated on this release are Jerry and not Brent. Brent is so low in the mix for this chorus you have to strain to find him. It's the high harmony buried deep in there. And on-key.
right on, shirdeep!
the version of Poptones on the album is exquisite.
drive to the forest in a Japanese car
the smell of rubber on country tar
hindsight done me no good
standing naked in this back of the woods
the cassette played
Poptones
or in my case, Deadtones
What a bummer...
...this place has become lately.
Not that it matters, but count me on the side that enjoys this pick and am glad to have it. I was concerned with the sound at first... the Wang Dang>Jack Straw does sound odd with the vocals WAY up and the instruments seemingly WAY down, but as others have said here before, Big River through the rest of the 1st set sounds good to these ears, and the band is cooking, (save perhaps on the verses of Minglewood, but the jam is HOT on that one, so I can forgive the lackluster "song" portion... I've got more Minglewoods than I need as it is.) The BEW, RxRBlues, LLRain, and Deal are all top notch performances too...
As for Set II, not sure where the hate is coming from in terms of the Help>Slip>Frank. Does Jerry totally botch the lyrics to Help? Yes! Is the rest of the triptych well played? Absolutely! The Slipknot and Franklins are particularly strong. The Estimated>Eyes is strong too, and the patch in Eyes, while jarring, lasts for about 5 seconds... not going to lose sleep on that one. The Jam>Drums>Space is really cool, and like Dave mentioned, the Space on this release is really great. The solo in Throwing Stones? I hear noise, chaos, and craziness, and all of it sounds well placed to me, though not perfect. As a new tune, they were still working out what to do with it, and I think that it's pretty cool to hear the band experiment with Noise Rock like that... can't think of anywhere else they did. Also, isn't that Bobby making all of the noise? Obviously, they didn't think it worked, so the made the Samson-jam part, (something that has always bugged me a bit,) but it is cool to hear where they may have been heading. The rest of the second set is average... Black Peter has been called out as unlistenable by many here who say Jerry's voice sounds terrible... Really? I know it doesn't sound like 71 Jerry, but terrible? Unlistenable? I just don't get it...
I think that is what gets me down about the discussion around here lately. So many here clearly have an ax to grind, or some point to prove, on both sides of the coin. What I see more than anything is a bunch of "Deadheads" shitting on the band and more over, shitting on each other. You all know that people have favorite eras, favorite keyboard players, favorite tunes, but rather than let them have that, a lot of you seem so keen to tell them that they are wrong for liking what they like. Get over yourselves. Now that Dave's Picks have made it to #27, this place seems to be more and more toxic... kind of like the lot scene 27 years in.
Whatever. I like this pick, you don't. Discussion over.
Now, where the hell is that HUGE n'FUNKY Shakedown Street Dave?
The past few days, I have really enjoyed the two Alpine 82 shows, 8/7, which was Dick's Picks 32, and yesterday's 8/8 show. Check them both out if you have the chance! (Of course, if you Hate the 80s/Hate Brent/Hate the Grateful Dead, than these are not the droids you seek...)
8/7/82 https://archive.org/details/gd82-08-07.sbd-streeter-wise.unknown.7689.s…
Pretty classic show all around... TMNS>Sugaree>TMNS opener!
8/8/82 https://archive.org/details/gd82-08-08.sbd-wise.unknown.7690.sbeok.shnf…
Good 1st set, Very strong 2nd Set with Scarlet>Fire, Estimated, Other One... The Double Encore of Satisfaction and Brokedown is perhaps the highlight for me... check out Bobby dropping Wang Dang Doodle for the (1st time?) in the middle of Satisfaction. Cool stuff!
Shouting in the wind,
Peace
Oh,... one more thing
We all lost Jerry 23 years ago today. RIP good sir, and thanks for all of the joy you gave to so many.
Is it a coincidence that there are no GD shows from 8/9?
Peace
Agreeing to disagree....
....lets try something new. Can we all agree that '76 Cosmic Charlie's are awesome? I'll start. '76 Cosmic Charlie's are awesome.
Oh, hell yes, VGuy!
76 Cosmic Charlie's are totally awesome! My favorite of all the Cosmic Charlie's!
Headed to Merriweather to see the boys this weekend, then up to Watkins Glen for Curveball... I doubt you're coming east for either, but maybe you'll see me on the webcast!
BTW - I have heard there is a free webcast of Friday night's show at Walnut Creek!
This may be the link for it right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kcoOF7_mfU
Peace
"where the hell is that HUGE n'FUNKY Shakedown Street Dave?"
It's always been right there at the start of 12/31/84, all 16 mns or so of it.Btw, this show is excellent; the band is firing on all cylinders, and nothing sounds rushed, very relaxed playing.
Today...
On this day, like all of you, I reflect on the events 23 years ago. The reality of it is still a little hard to handle for me sometimes. This time around, I have come to this realization that my generation (or age group might be more appropriate) was likely one of the last if not the last to ever see Jerry play. I have talked before about my own personal experiences of getting on the bus in 92, to get see a few shows, and then only to have it end all too suddenly . I have also talked about what I think is a common feeling for everyone of these importance of all of the shows that were recorded. These recordings are the next best thing to being at the show. I know that being at the show is different and is the ultimate best thing about the Dead. The experience is “it" , but the reality is that experience only happens once. After it is done those that attended any given show have the memories - which by the way I greatly appreciate when these memories are shared. Please keep that going when appropriate/needed! However after that the only thing that is left are these recordings which gives all a chance to hear the band go at it.
The other reality of this is we all know that the number of shows in vault is vast, with variety being the key. I think DaP 27 is good release, certainly not perfect. When i look at how many shows have been released The Dead, Rhino, and Dave L & Co. have been generous. When I look at Deadbase 50 and I see the lists of favorite tapes, a lot of them have been officially released. I know there is more to come. We have also got some releases that were sleepers or maybe lacking in some aspects. The reality is that with the volume of releases that have been produced there will be some that just aren't to the level as many others. Of course everyone will have different opinions on this but it is bound to happen. It looks DaP 27 is one of them.
In the end I have yet to discover a show that I hated. With sound quality, performance, and completeness being variables I feel I am lucky to be able to own any of these shows with the 9/2/83 show being one of them. I will say this though, if I was approached by the good Doctor with a Tardis or Marty and Doc in a Delorean and I was told this: “You can go back in time to attend 3 Grateful Dead shows but you can't choose them. The shows are 4/24/78, 12/9/81, and 9/2/83. Do you want to go?” Without hesitation I would say “Hell Yeah!”
I say this all of the time but I appreciate all of you regardless of show/era preference. If it wasn't for these comment pages I wouldn't have anyone to talk about this with.
VGuy Cosmic Charlie
'76 Cosmic Charlie's are bad.............but in a good way (did I fool you for a second?)
12/31/84 @Cousins of...
Dude! This show is great! Thanks for the recommendation!
I have been working from home on an online course for work the past few days, so I have had the pleasure of being able to dig deep into the archives, and this one is hitting that sweet spot right now! That is one hell of a Shakedown opener, the Bird Song is nice and exploratory, Sweet Peggy-O... the band does sound great!
Thanks again for the tip :)
Peace
Speaking of '76
I noticed a general dislike for DaP 4, is it for sound quality or performance? I've always liked this show, the 2nd set jam is great!
cosmic charlie
Big fan of the 76 versions of Cosmic Charlie. In fact lately I've been listening to the second set of 7/16/76 (the complete set, not the one that was released as a DaP 18 bonus). Man I love that jam...one of my favorites of the whole year.
The dead offer something for everyone - that's one of the reasons I love them and that's why I collect everything that comes out (more or less). I have learned that even if I'm not in the mood for a particular release on the day it comes out, doesn't mean I won't want to binge on it down the road.
I'm working from home today too and very caffeinated. Will check out that 84 show now.
RIP Jerry - was always a blast
'76 Cosmic Charlie's....
4 - 080sfan. I listened to the same bonus disc last night while prepping dinner with the wife. Her favorite year is '76. No need to twist my arm....
You may not believe this......
But It's a fact. Verifiable.
If every day was sunny, how would you know that it's beautiful??
If all food tasted the same, how would you know what is good & what is bad??
If every day was 26 degrees, how would you know what a bikini looks like??
If every Dead show was a 10, how could you appreciate it's greatness??
The answer is, you could not. You have to have the proverbial yin/yang or else you would not be able to differentiate one from the other.
So if for no other reason, appreciate the less than stellar shows, they help you know when you are truly listening to a gem!!
Cosmic Charlie, gratefulhan
'76 Cosmic Charlie's are hyp-no-tic...... thanks for the tickle - been a while - I really should check that out tonight....
gratefulhan - Glad you got on the bus in time to see Jerry. There was something about being in the same room with him that the uninitiated will never know. Agreed that all the releases are generally great. Its easy to nitpick, but Dave & Co DO know what they are doing despite all the second-guessing.... at the end of the day, we get more and more great shows. Glorious.
?
Wait a MINUTE....to be "initiated" into the dead family you had to have been in the same room as Jerry at a concert? Uh-oh, our numbers are gonna drop significantly in the next 15-20 years, ouch! My kids won't be happy about this.
And are we talking 26 degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius? Cause if you dont specify the scale, we could be in bikinis all day...but, I'd have to shave my chest first.
76 Cosmic Charlies can be quite fun, the one from the Orpheum release is very nice and the 76 Dicks release with the Autumn looking cover, whichever one that was.
I'm gonna go give another listen to the Winterland '73 Bonus disc 12/4/73 and Dave's 2012 bonus 7/29/74 those have a been wonderful rediscovery the last few days.
Disappointed
Finished DaP 27 and was very disappointed. Its definitely a cellar dweller for me in the series. 83 is my favorite year in the Brent era though this show had escaped my attention. I agree with all the comments posted about how uneven the audio quality is in the first set. By the time the sound is enjoyable we are up to Big RR. I agree that song smoked, and Deal was nice and long. The second set was classic 83, which is good, but Help was a hot mess and the cut in Eyes was killer. Overall, I might go back to that second set, but there are so many better shows in fall 83 that i'm just not sure when.
I am concerned we might not get any more 83 official releases given Dave's comments about recording quality/availability and the indication that if this is the best out there, we might be in serious trouble. FYI - for relief, listened to 10/14/77 afterward. ahh.
U.K. landings
Hi - has everyone in the U.K. got their copy yet? Waiting patiently here in Nottingham.....
KeithFan
Where we disagreed was I think DaP 7 is I took issue with the idea that 4/24 is better than most '78 shows. Granted, my knowledge of '78 is limited to the official releases and I had a couple of decent non-officials (3 of which are now officially released in 1/22, 7/7-8) back when I was collecting as much as I could get, and still physically trading tapes and cds. But I will take DaP 15, DaP 23, DP 25's 2 shows (one Bear one Betty), July box (esp 7/1 and 7/8), and the 30 Trips (the show before or after DP 25) over DaP 7 any day of the week. I like the Rupp Arena show that would have been the third of the mini-box before they put DaP 7 out over Normal, too. That was the bottom of my DaP personal rankings before 20 and 27.
Also, I was really joking about the disagreement line, mainly because Space and I rarely seem to see eye to eye on releases, and you and I are usually more on the same page. Probably the inner Who freak.
And I add 4 in there, too not for performnce necessarily, but because it just does nothing for me. I've listened to the full show probably 3 times, and Playing> Supplication> Playing a couple other times, and it doesn't move me. (I know that wasn't your question KF, but I saw it as I was catching up on the conversation, so thought I'd answer why that one is lowly ranked in my own case.) It's not an anti-'76 thing, either, I really like some of the '76 stuff, it has more space to it, more groove than other years. That particular show, and the DP from the night after would not be put on my stereo by my choice if I wanted '76. RT 4.5 would be my go to, DaP 18 next for officials, 8/4/76 for just a '76 show.
To That's Otis, it's very funny that you bemoan the toxicity of the debate and seeming unwillingness of others to compromise/hear each other out, then you literally say "Discussion over." Was that irony? I just don't think someone has to have an ax to grind not to like a particular show. Sure, it probably sours other people to read a really damning review, but we can only hear things with our own ears and not somebody else's. I wish I could hear DaP 27 the same way Space does, but the fact I can't doesn't harm your enjoyment, nor his, and this seems to be the appropriate forum for that discussion. If you were being ironic, my apologies for taking it seriously.
the truth has been revealed:
this whole release is a major experiment like the "what color is the dress" and "what does the voice say".
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Mine arrived here in sunny Lowestoft on Wednesday. Hopefully yours will arrive any day now.
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