Grateful Dead

I would say the author of that article really fails to grasp what an enabler is. what people choose to do when they go to a show is on them. never once heard trey say something like "hey kids! do those fucking drugs! snort it up! shoot it up! waaaay up!" will have to check out a bit of that manson album. but hey you know the author doesn't have to like the band anymore than I have to like The Allman Brothers Band which I don't.

Simonrob, Daverock,Glad your Daves are getting through without the added cost of import duties etc. Here in Sweden it is now the complete opposite. Each Daves and my recent Anthem attracted duties to the tune of around 8 euros. Rhinos habit of putting a nominal value of 1 dollar on each sending seems to attract attention. The Swedish post office now sends out an invoice while the parcel laguishes in Customs and doesnt release the parcel till payment is made. This process now adds an average delay of an extra two weeks till the sending can be picked up in the next village.

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all that bye bye birdie thing is going to make me think of the parody on family guy when it came out peter was mentally disabled

Personally I always really liked Barry Meltons guitar, Bruce Barthols bass playing, Chickens non linear drumming and David Cohens guitar and organ playing, but I guess there arnt that many of us fans still around. Time to play Colours for Susan again.

, er uh, I mean Terrapin,What would happen if three or four of us, or six headed angry Jim, went over to the phish site and posted nothing but GD shit? Just a philosophical question, not being adversarial at all.....seriously, what would happen? Hell im clueless, let’s put it out to the rest of the class, chilrens??? What say all y’all?

Niiiiiccceeee!

I have no problem with Phish, and honestly get a lot from people tossing out little nuggets of good music to sample. They are currently touring and from what I hear playing very well. Nothing wrong with some enthusiasm about something you love so long as it doesn't dominate other's inputs. I have a problem with trolling and that Charles Manson complete album YouTube post that was posted just to stir the pot and piss people off. Beyond the pale and extremely tasteless. Trolling just to piss people off and plain hateful. No room for that here.

posting grateful dead over at phish site? we wouldn't care lol knock yourself out. phish fans are into the Dead in general and if they aren't its because they didn't hear any yet.

I go to about .8 concerts per year; this year I went to this show. Found video of it on YouTube and been wanting to share with y'all. Guess this song works for right here, right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDDntOqTCgs

Why? We don't have an inferiority complex. No need.

Not So Sweet Martha Lorriane.

Hi Dogon, good to see you back. Count me as a fan of the Fish, and in particular Barry Melton's guitar playing. As for Fish songs, how about Daevid Allen's "Fred the fish and the chip on his shoulder" from his Bananamoon album. And as for Phish, how could I hate them? I have never heard anything they have done. Not a single note. I suppose I could give them a listen if someone could give me a good reason why I should. Toodle pip!

Tired of curmudgeonly Dead Heads telling you not to share or speak of phish? then come on down to The Phish Tank Rainbow Phorum page on facebook. where anyone can discuss or share phish. my page is listed as a musician/band and has the rainbow logo

how about back to the real problem here and the fact Dave's picks is wasting the reels on non plangent processed releases? join me in lobbying for a new series. Plangent Processed Betty Boards subscription series. this is an appeal to the powers that be for a new subscription series of 3 times a year of Plangent processed returned "Betty Boards" available in limited edition CDs and digital download forever. the series can start with 2/26/77 Winterland, which would be a sin not to have Plangent processed and instead used for a Dave's Pick release. as shown with previous releases from the "Bettys" the Plangent process significantly improves the sound from the tapes. by offering limited CD and unlimited digital versions it allows for maximum return of investment for the additional processing costs.

But, I've dyed my hair brown and my belly piercing was ripped out by a 5 year old long ago. Its kinda like baseball, oops theres that Dead metaphor again. I like the team I like, the sport of baseball is great and I like hearing about other teams to a degree, but dont post about the damn Yankees on the Red Sox forum, especially constantly. That was supposed to be a joke...not sound grumpy. Used to see a lot shirt in the mid 2000s, it was a fork in the road with 2 signs pointing in opposite directions. One said Phish the other said Grateful Dead. The quote at the bottom read "if you get confused, listen to the music play." Phish is good but the Grateful Deads dynamics, group interplay, and the ebb and flow of songs and styles is to me just far superior. Phish honestly just got boring after awhile, Treys space and timing on his playing is rarely where it jives with me in the moment, especially lysergic moments. And I was very into Phish pre-hiatus and before 2.0. Phish is just too much like an 80s hair metal band guitarist that decided to do jazz in a rock format. Not to mention the lyrics, the Dead had Robert Hunter and Phish have Tom Marshall. Marshall doesn't even scratch the surface of the depths of Hunters lyrics, Hunter pulls all of America and the common human experience into his words and beyond, not just personal experiences of private college graduates told with lyrics in nonsense rhymes which have been declining severely in 3.0. Dead lyrics can touch many lives, Phish lyrics are not so universal. Anyways there are many tours pre 2000s break Phish I can get behind, sometimes. Cow funk era is tolerable. The hardcore Phish fans I know get pretty heated too, so dont pretend like deep end GD talk on a current Phish forum would go over with rainbows and unicorns. Phish shows are the only time I've seen someone having a great time only to have some Phish tour head in full uniform say to them something like Trey sucks tonight you should've been here yesterday. Too much piss in the Phish tank for me anymore, and it's a borderline sausage fest, at least more of the ladies still go to see the dead! I guess as I've aged, the Dead have aged with me like a dusty bottle of electric bourbon, but Phish seems more like the kids toy aisle at Walmart, dont forget to buy a trampoline!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHIFM0Y87c&index=1&list=PLOKClCNfzquxn8M… A deadhead and phish phreak friend showed me this a ways back. Gave us a good chuckle. The full 6 min is hilarious, someone put WAAAAY to much time into it :)...I am bird... breathes into microphone.

This thread is getting salty. Even Jim done got pissed off. I was having a sort of relevant convo with Oroborous (check your PMs my man :) about this Phish / Dead "controversy". When I started going to a lot of shows in the late 90s, I would see the Allman Brothers religiously (really Terrapin?), Phish, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident, moe., later on Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Tauk. These bands all have their loyal fans. What they all have in common is that practically all of those fan bases also are into the Dead. The Dead were like the common denominator of the jam band circuit. Hell they pretty much invented the jam band circuit. I got more interested in the Dead from talking to all these other fans at other shows. Go to any other jam band concert and count the folks in Dead T shirts. Some of them probably weren't born yet to have actually seen the Dead. When I was younger, I really liked Phish. I loved their zany, goofball irreverance. Now that I'm less younger than I used to be, I think I appreciate a little more reverance. Dead songs, for the most part, are earnest. They say what they mean and mean what they say. Phish songs are often ironic. They aren't intended to mean anything except as a vehicle to jam out. When I'm scrolling through here, its usually with my morning coffee, or during lunch, and I'm never going to stop reading and watch an entire concert video, of anyone. I just want to read what other people think about whatever inane topic we're on at the time. That's all. Oh and I still like, but don't love Dave's 27. It is neither the disgraceful embarrassment that some paint it as, nor the most amazing 2 1/2 hours of music ever put down on tape. That's enough for me to keep subscribing. Peace.

This thread is getting salty. Even Jim done got pissed off. I was having a sort of relevant convo with Oroborous (check your PMs my man :) about this Phish / Dead "controversy". When I started going to a lot of shows in the late 90s, I would see the Allman Brothers religiously (really Terrapin?), Phish, Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident, moe., later on Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Tauk. These bands all have their loyal fans. What they all have in common is that practically all of those fan bases also are into the Dead. The Dead were like the common denominator of the jam band circuit. Hell they pretty much invented the jam band circuit. I got more interested in the Dead from talking to all these other fans at other shows. Go to any other jam band concert and count the folks in Dead T shirts. Some of them probably weren't born yet to have actually seen the Dead. When I was younger, I really liked Phish. I loved their zany, goofball irreverance. Now that I'm less younger than I used to be, I think I appreciate a little more reverance. Dead songs, for the most part, are earnest. They say what they mean and mean what they say. Phish songs are often ironic. They aren't intended to mean anything except as a vehicle to jam out. When I'm scrolling through here, its usually with my morning coffee, or during lunch, and I'm never going to stop reading and watch an entire concert video, of anyone. I just want to read what other people think about whatever inane topic we're on at the time. That's all. Oh and I still like, but don't love Dave's 27. It is neither the disgraceful embarrassment that some paint it as, nor the most amazing 2 1/2 hours of music ever put down on tape. That's enough for me to keep subscribing. Peace.

so you want to talk about D & C in Mexico? What a huge ripoff, I was checking the prices, really? to go to Mexico? Bad drinks, crappy weed, no inspections of public facilities. A woman I worked with back in the 00's was electrocuted in a pool in Mexico, no inspections so the wiring was faulty in the pools lighting, she dove in and ZZZZappppp, found her the following am. oh and good luck with any legal action in Mexico, forgetaboutit. Here's a question for the boys, why the hell do this in Mexico? why not Fla or Calif., or somewhere in the good old USA. To go, don't you have to get a passport? plane fare, cost of the show etc... 5 grand easy, are you fricking serious? Another stinking money grab or is it so Bobby can go on vacation? I would laugh if no one showed up. On another subject, phish, they can't hold a candle to the Dead so don't even bring them up, they just ain't that good, plain and simple. Now Fish, there's a band, I hear Barry M. is an attorney now and does a lot of pro bono work. Always loved the way he played. Speaking of Country Joe and the Fish, today is 49th anniversary of Woodstock opening day, they did an awesome set and you can see some of it in the movie. Good times (those were the days, my friends). Any old timers out there got any Woodstock stories? I have one but it would probably burn off both your ears :)

The new bear sonic journals with the ABB are golden! Thank you Bear, gotta love someone that demands from thenselves that much intention, attention and presence in whatever they do. Great recordings from the maestro himself.

they are a vast upgrade to what was out there. maybe it is the Plangent processing of the master reels? if they can sound that much better, imagine what the GD portion of the GD February Fillmore shows could sound like? i'd pay for a box of Fillmore 1970 GD sets to replace the Dicks Picks and Bear's choices compilation sets. nonPlangent processed reels are a remix waiting to happen, lets start here.

LMAO Rock on!

Are there any two track releases besides the Winterland 1973 box set that utilized Plangeant? I've read a lot about their technology, and a lot of comments indicate that there is a very specific type of audio anomaly that it corrects best, which I'm sure everyone here has heard of, flutter and wow. From what I've read Plangent is only really necessary when you can hear the deficiencies on the master tapes. It sounds like it is almost a necessity for multitrack sources, but not so much for two track sources that already sound good to the ear. By good to the ear they indicate the absence of flutter and wow, as well as the ability to listen to it loudly without distortion or changes in pitch. In other words, it sounds like you're almost always going to need it for multitrack sourced shows, because it would not be cost-effective to listen to 16 or Four 24 tracks all the way through in a concert to inspect for audible problems, and even if you did have the time, good pitch on one track might not match the pitch of another track which also sounds good to the year. Then when you mix it you realize you have two instruments that are not playing in the same register. It would be cool to compare a soundboard of a two-track to a two track release that's gone through plangent.

all of the box sets released since the return of the Betty's uses the Plangent processing.in Dave's own words the new box set sounds like new tapes compared to the unplangented versions. the one exception has been the July 1978 box which still hasn't sold out and people think sound sort of meh. only Dave's Picks put out unplangented reels and that is because they aren't in the budget. the new ABB sonic journal is a good example of how the old GDM set has been improved by a Plangent processing of the same reels used for the GDM release.

WTF happened to this board? Been gone for a week and I come back to read the recent posts, and it's 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Minimal thoughtful commentary re: the music. Instead it's dominated by indignant era-griping, indignant Phish promotions, indignant gripes about shows outside the US, douchey trolling, direct personal swipes, indignant retaliations and politically-tinged rants. 90% waste of time and energy - why am I here??? Tempted to drop off like so many others have recently because it just doesn't seem worth the energy. How about we ALL ignore the noise and emotional jockeying and JUST focus on GD music? :O The spirit of this board is to share intelligent feedback re the DaP series and the Dead's music overall. Let's focus, people. SO - In that light.... (deep cleansing breath...) I'm curious what folks think is Jerry's best album? While i love all of them, I go crazy (good crazy) every time I hear "Compliments" (with Let it Rock, Turn on the Bright Lights, Russian Lullabye, Mississippi Moon, etc.) To me this is Jerry's most personal, intimate album. It's what "Thanks I'll Eat It Here" is to Lowell George, or "Laid Back" to Gregg Allman, or "Storyville" to Robbie Robertson (Storyville is a MUST-OWN!). It just feels like a departure from every other album - like a personal diary, doin' it just for you. Can't get enough. PS: I just realized Doc's post below! Hiya Doc! Yes, it's just getting MUCH worse, isn't it? I may join you shortly. I think, like college, it's natural to move on after 4 years and grow up. Pop in for the occasional alumni day.... There's only so much you can gleen from anything - my cup may be full.

If I had to pick one I'd be deeply conflicted between the first one and Reflections.

I hope what's left of the insightful posters hereabouts will hang on and let the current round of inane trolling cycle thru. These vacuous postings will, as always, fizzle out (sooner if we just keep on scrolling past). Sorry to read that some/many of you who regularly share unique perspectives about all things Dead are thinking about leaving. Hope you'll weather the summer doldrums at least until PNW sails over on the adjacent thread (trains and cars can't last forever. . . can they?). Onward!

Rest in peace Queen of Soul. What a voice.. a national treasure, whether you like the Motown sound or not.

A toss between the 1st album and Cats Under the Stars

As long as we're going telephone calls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpzLcFBv5zA

2nd: Garcia's 1st. 3rd: show R-E-S-P-E-C-T on this here board. Please. 4th: DaP3 disc 2 is next up. 5th: have a nice day, y'all.

organic, man

I'm probably the only one that really cares - but they continue to use Audience patches on the official Dead.net release. Dave's Picks #27 has a brief patch in the middle of Eyes. (I haven't finished listening so their maybe more). My problem is that when you are buying these CD's there is an expectation that you are buying SBD quality. If that's not 100% the case, then fine.. but at lease they should disclose it. They continue to not even acknowledge that it's happening. Come on guys - at least start noting the AUD patches.

from that lil' production (which I have heard...a few times now): "troll less; post more"

"please, Br'er Dave, don't use an AUD patch!" sorry, just too easy. listening to DaP3 shows the difference in sound from that release to DaP27. to me personally, I got used to AUD patches and sound variations when listening to raw tapes and CDs. not ideal, but I can settle for a few variants on these releases. the patch in Eyes on 27 does wake you up (to find out and all that)

Had a chance for another few listens to this one. I really dig how high up in the mix Bobby is. You can hear what he's doing clearly at pretty much all times. As a big Bobby fan this is great. While he may not be the juggernaut he was from '72-'74 vamping wise, he picks his spots so well and his tone is so distinctive. Great use of the whammy too. I don't think I've ever uttered or typed that last sentence before. : )

From WarnerMarket; price went up from $699 to $750...wondering if these have all the original box & contents.

And a tip of the hat to the good Doctor. Don’t know if you’ve been following at all. Been some nice stretches here since you’ve been gone, but alas it seems more and more the shit winds have been blowing....especially lately...anyway, nice to see you, hope your doing well!Hell, ya know things are getting funky when good hearted Jim starts getting cranky! THIN; hang in there bra, strength in numbers! Place wouldn’t be the same without ya. GARCIA; man I hate “favorites”. That being said, I’d have to go with Compliments. I love the wierd stuff on the 1st album, and Cats has some amazing tunes, but as a whole album, I’d have to go with Compliments. Truly outside the box, diverse, sophisticated, ridiculous tight playing....... Edit: I kinda feel like Reflections doesn’t count, more like a Dead album. And I fine one at that, similar to ACE in that respect.... THE QUEEN; rock on Lady Soul. Mucho R-E-S-P-E-C-To, sock it to me indeed! DAVES; as I may have posted not long ago, have been able to snag some missing Dave’s, Dicks and Road Trips lately. Awesome Dead from 68, 73, 74, 82, 83, 88, with 69, 91 and of course the big dawg (NW box) all arriving soonish..... Haven’t had tons of time to really dig in, but so far have dug it all, especially Dave’s 16 & 13. Can’t believe I missed all that back when.... 16 is really blowing me away....as I’ve said, late 73 is perhaps my personal “favorite”, gawd there’s that word again, but I’ve somehow not been privy to much from the rest of the year. THAT HAS TO CHANGE! Cannot put into words how much I’m itching for this Big Dawg!! CPATROCKS; no more complaining, that seems to be a trend here lately. Nothing but wha, wha, wha, cheese and rice, like I think STOLTZY and Vguy said, what the fuck else can you get for 25 bucks that gives so much reoccurring value, pleasure, and sometimes “unbridled” enthusiasm. This is supposed to be entertainment......also, question for you, hell let’s throw this one out to everyone out there in the cheap seats. Would you rather they not release good shows because they might need a patch? Let’s take 27 off the table. Let’s say some killer Beatty from seventy what ever, would all y’all rather not have something released at all because of patches? STOLTZY; Hamel-Head, sounds like some kind of disease, perhaps obtained due to too much camel-toe. Ouch, sorry, this is what happens when Vguy ain’t around to fill the humor spot of our program ; ) Katec (?); welcome to Vail. Didn’t think we had those kinds of snakes up here, too cold? Hope you get to enjoy our little neighborhood and not stuck with too much trebajo! Perhaps you’ll be around for the 17&18th JG biff day bash shows this weekend. Should be sweet, hear talk of “special guests” Ok, back to work, for fucks sake play nice chilrens! Perhaps if we all make an effort to mostly say nice/positive things, and bite the perverbial tongue and keep the negative to yourself? Just a thought, free society and all, but when several of our long time top members here start saying adios, There is a problem, and no offense meant, but some folks aren’t helping all that...... So light up Jim’s irritable bowl, fire up some Reathra, and lay back and groove on a rainy day my brothers and sisters....

all that fancy paints as fair she takes her Fan and throws it in the Lion's Den" Garcia #1 Reflections #2 Cats Under the Stars #3 RIP ~ Aretha Franklin https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wa29x "The storyteller makes no choice soon you will not hear his voice his job is to shed light and not to master" ~ 4.19.82

....you yell, "My money's on the one with the knife!"

- Old and In The Way- Garcia (1st LP) - Reflections / Cats Under the Stars (tie, Mission in the Rain could yield a slight edge though)

....will be driving my Spotify on my work computer today. All day.

If you ignore them. They need the attention to flourish and survive. I really do know how to spell. Disappear. See??

a release which sounds really good. and there is some nice playing, of course. When I listen to these two shows, I feel like they are sooooo close to the X factor, but not quite "there". Having said that, I bet next time it will take me to the moon. a strong release. good setlists, and early versions of several songs make it a keeper. plus, it's live Dead.

Upon random occasion, I feel a mite peckish for the Melvins. For your consideration and kind interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEGT0qNNKU4 I bid you a splendid afternoon, good sirs (and any ma'ams who can stand this board of questionable repute), Col. Horatio Phelatio Dinklesworth, Esq.

a most excellent show, I must say

I know we are not supposed to talk about Phish too much round here, but just was reading that the 3-day Curveball festival was cancelled at Watkins Glen one day prior to day 1, with some Phans already there and many of course en route. I cant imagine how upsetting that would be to the many people for whom this was probably the big planned event of their summer (time wise, vacation wise, money-wise). Really sucks. Imagine heading for 3 days and nights outdoors to see Jerry and the boys, only to have it all cancelled the day before. Sucks for the band too. I am sure they are quite upset, and I am sure they will still be subject to many nasty trolling comments from disappointed Phans - though the band obviously cannot control flooding, water problems or water contamination, or control State health laws and public official decisions, etc. I wish the Phans and the band well during this upsetting setback for them all! 09/20/70 for DaP 28!! I think 11/08/70 is impossible or that would be my first choice.

A great show.. I was there! Psychedelic as I recall.