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Unless you are a compulsive completist.. I wouldn't bother. It's ok..

....but it was just my imagine Asian.

...the albums song selections were mostly picked by Phil and the others were picked by Garcia... :)Since the official release, there has been complaints and praises for the LP... I for one dig it, I love this LP ! At the time of production, quadraphonic technology appeared ascendant. In anticipation, the album was mixed for the QS standard – one of several competing vinyl matrix formats. Rather than a dedicated stereo mix, during mastering the quadraphonic mix was folded down to two channels. Lesh explained that he and Bear decided to mix "the whole thing in 'quad' ... Band chronicler Blair Jackson explained why Lesh's method for song choice didn't mesh with Deadhead expectation: "[It] had none of the natural flow of a Grateful Dead concert. It was as if someone had thrown all the songs into a hat and then pulled them out randomly, which is not the way the Grateful Dead operated at all. Their sets, while definitely eclectic, were built piece by piece according to what songs felt right to play at the moment. Garcia's choices would affect Weir's choices and vice versa. Steal Your Face consisted mainly of short songs that were usually played in the lighter first set, and it was devoid of any extended improvisation. Considering the material that was available from that five-night run, the song selection was mystifying to say the least."[13] Garcia saw the album as a specific statement from the same era as the movie, noting "[Phil] picked out what he liked for his own reasons. If anyone wants to have some concept of what Phil likes, that's a good album. ... We don't interfere with each other on that level."[13]

....Steal Your Face has no flow. (I read between the lines). Glad you like it. I tolerate it. It's right up there with What A Long Strange Trip It's Been. With the plethora of realeases over the last 16 years, they both collect quite a bit of dust, even though the music is clean. ....the again, good luck guessing a JRAD setlist. Ghaa!

This album is my least favorite live Grateful Dead album, however this reissue sounds excellent. The sound is far superior to the original 1976 release, and more than a few steps above the 1989 Compact Disc 1st edition issue. I agree that the Mississippi from 10/19/74 is a good performance, especially the sound on this on reissued LP. Why I don't like Steal Your Face is because of the song sequence, it is not very compelling to me, not even after 42 years. It just doesn't stand up to Live/Dead, Skullfuck & Europe '72. I bought the original LP not long after my 6/22/76 and 6/24/76 shows at the Tower Theater in Upper Darby, near Philadelphia, Pa. Yes, I have all three versions: the original 1976 album, the 1989 CD, and this 2017 remastered LP.

....I hear you Bobby. See what repeat listenings can do? Moving this show from a B- to a B as of now.

....a few heads stated they felt Garcia was playing a different song during the Boise Throwing Stones. No he wasn't. He was playing the Boise Throwing Stones. Does that make sense? Makes sense to me. And the GDTRFB leaves no prisoners. Everyone is released! Ghaaa!

I'm not so keen on Steal Your Face either, I'm afraid. I was really surprised when I started listening to tapes, years later, just how good those October 1974 shows were-and how mis-represented they had been on Steal Your Face. I have felt this about other official live albums they released in their life time, too. Bears Choice is a bit of a shocker-considering some of the music played at those shows, and while Skull and Roses and Europe 72 are okay (especially the last two sides of the old album of Europe 72) they are again much weaker than the shows they were culled from. Again-especially Europe 72-I have listened to every show from the European tour this year-and every one is stellar. But you would never realise just how good the tour was listening to the old Europe 72 album. It seems as though the band thought the record buying public would prefer to hear their songs, rather than their jams. The one live album that has stood the test of time for me unquestionably, is Live Dead. They got THAT one right.

....got them all right. Next year, they're gonna bust out the AoxomoxoA and Live/Dead 50th's. Ohhhh shit. Better buckle up. AoxomoxoA is my favorite studio release btw.

....Baby Blue. A treasure. And a tear ran down my face, because it was stolen.

...I also have love for ‘Bears’s Choice’, This release is also not very welcomed in the Dead’s fan base, but there’s some there that grabs me; you can hear the wooden floor planks and all...

You know how offensive at least one of this community's core members finds Manson.Please be kind. If you need to oppose JimInMD's outburst (and you have been here long enough to know that Jim is NOT one of our easy-to-rile members, but rather a voice of reason in our often stormy environs) WRITE something. Posting another Manson vid seems really dickish to me. I almost wrote something against Jim's response to your first Manson post (freedom, historical significance, outsider culture, yadda yadda). Now I am really glad I didn't.

....has no place here. Fuck that asshole. You want the truth? There aren't many people that would have me put on some leather gloves, so my knuckles wouldn't be tarnished as I pounded his smirky face into a bloody pulp. The veil is lifted. Have fun in hell you piece of shit. (someone had to say it). Fact of life. Some people just need to get their ass kicked. (I speak for the trees). Problem?

....is head and shoulders above SYF. Who knew there were so many other choices/USDA prime cuts out there back when it was originally released? We are a spoiled lot....Oh yeah. I would pay to see Manson thrown into a wood chipper. Is there a problem?

I think we'd feel entirely different about SYF if it had a third disc. What would have been the perfect jams?

I wouldnt listen to the Beach Boys then cuz Charles Manson known as "The Wizard" befriended a beach boy at the time and co wrote a beach boys song and its now uncredited. that same beach boy slept with a gun under his pillow ever since. read Marilyn Manson's biography his "My Monkey" incorporates elements of that there "mechanical Man" song. played it. I don't even know what to say about it. it's like this big sprawled out rambling mess lol "I sent my monkey off to the country now my monkey's dead" WHAT??? lol and now monkey gone to heaven. shirdeep is communicating and that message is: Monkey

.... I've done that. Long story. Last five.The Bangles - Different Light Megadeth - Youthinasia GOGD - 4.15.70 Rush - Farewell To Kings The Cars - Panorama and so it goes....

....don't laugh. Good vibes in that record. Such good vibes, they were invited to open for the GOGD. That says something. Dust it off and walk like an Egyptian.

I don't always listen to new releases right away. I had an idea that Bob's recent, "Blue Mountain," was full of boring acoustic campfire songs with, perhaps, lyrical wonder but no musical spark. That was about half true. A solid album and graced by two brilliantly produced nuggets, "Lay My Lily Down," and "Ghost Towns." I won't post links, youtube it if you want. I am shocked that Bob has, at least on these two tunes and to a perhaps lesser extent on others, adopted the pillow over the microphone dull, decades old ambiance reminiscent of recent T-Bone Burnett productions, Daniel Lanois, Robert Plant, etc. I don't know what to call it, so I'll call it "contemporary music by current artists making classy recordings that sound decades old and give me hope that great music will continue." God Bless everyone. Happy Sunday.

Hi Vguy72 - you mentioned in a post about the 50th anniversary reissues. Do you know if the live albums are going to be reissued or is it just the studio? Cheers

Two live Dead albums I did like-and still do-are Historic Dead and Vintage Dead. Slightly shady releases, but for live albums from 1966 they sound really good. Unlike the later ones I mentioned, these do seem to accurately reflect the bands sound and style, as subsequently revealed on tapes from the year in question. I don't think they have ever been released on cd, either.

Can you please stop posting all of the YouTube links. They're distracting and not relevant to any Grateful Dead discussion. Thank you.

I have this on an LP which is an old radio station promo copy. Its all beat up, and doesn't sound so good anymore. Probably been played 100s of times. I'm tempted to hear a good, new copy. I think the format of the album is well suited for an LP. Its mostly shorter songs, not twenty minute jams. It doesn't "feel" like a live set --- more like an album that happens to be live tracks. Which is okay sometimes. 20-25 minutes of an upbeat, bouncy side while I'm grilling some steaks is perfect. I like the E72 LP for the same reason. Also, curiously, that album isn't on Spotify. Almost everything else that's a general release is. Neither is the GD movie soundtrack, which is what you go to for the live show feel from that run. Maybe they're holding it back for a box set release later :)))))

When I saw Bob live in Dallas for this cowboy tour, Lay My Lily Down was one of my fav's that night. When I got the show I played the living shit out of that tune. Just my two cents, but I'm ok with Sheepdip posting youtube vids. I certainly don't check them all out, but they're easy enough to scroll by and once an awhile you get shown some good stuff you didn't know about. Once again, just my two cents. Two more days of work, then off to Lockn, yeah!

My kid showed me this guy last night, I'll be getting some of this guy in. Leo Moracchioli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0_vr_Ktl8

I am happy for the 80's fans who have waited long for something from this era. I think I would have had a really good time if I had been at the show, this must be great as a souvenir and a slice of history for those lucky enough to have access to Dead shows at that time (they had given up on Europe by then). Listening now in a quiet room on a good hi-fi though, it is all to easy to be distracted by the deterioration of so many things from the 'Golden Era'(as I perceive it). I enjoyed it more than I thought and maybe now and then might give it another spin. No complaints though. I am happy to pay my subs and get to focus 4 times a year on a selected show from the vault, whether I end up listening to it once or 100 times.

Once I awhile shirdeeps vids are ok, but they're getting to be several times a day of nothing about the Dead. Charles Manson? Had his minions string up a woman 8 months pregnant over a rafter and stab her death as she begged for her baby's life. Fuck him and fuck shirdeep for posting this garbage. Shirdeep used to be cool when he posted rare Dead pics, but he's devolved.

Butch, right on fuck that spoiled little bitch! Sorry folks that’s what happens when you poison the Golden well with hate! SYF, I will not argue with the critical comments. Would just mention, again, about keeping perspective. The methodology employed for live albums has mostly been to record as much material as possible, using the best equipment possible (budget etc) and then cull the supposed “best” versions of songs, add a little crowd mix and fade in out overlaps to give the “product” the feeling of an actual concert. Hell King Biscuit Flour Hour used to do the same thing I.e., 5/80 (recorded that off the radio on graduation night whilrpe my giant extended family was all out in the back yard, hee-hee, what a freak! But I digress. So yeah, it has no natural flow, and of course anything from then without big jams is just......? But there are some great versions, and if it was redone as well as the Movie Soundtrack, well..... Mainly though I love this album for nostalgia. It brings back so many memories from when I was 14 and just getting on board. Have always loved the pictures; Bill with that giant bong, Phil with the different colored socks, and man nothing filled the imagination of a budding audio geek like those pics of TWOS! Remember youngins’ there was no internet, and the dead was hardly the well known entity they would become, for good or for ill? That album and a few others were like are only gateway to the dead! So looking at those pics, and digging that amazing, now iconic art...and of course what that album jacket as well as Skull fuck got used for, perhaps more than to retrieve the platter, ahem, yeah..... I will always have a spot deep in my heart for this and skullfuck if only because of what they meant to me at that time in my life etc. Today, hands down, imho, Live Dead will always be the benchmark for not only live dead “albums” but perhaps the greatest live album ever! I dug it then, but still a little to green behind the gills to fully “get it” then. That did change with time, like the first time I “saw the electric light shine” and after getting dropped off at home very late, put on the headphones and figured, “I should probably listen to live dead” Amazing, also, seemed like it was only ten minutes long LOL Tried playing my electric with no amp, but thought I was making too much noise and would awaken the rents, who would instantly KNOW! LMAO! Too funny, cause I lived in the basement with a literal McIntosh, JBL wall of sound, used to come home baracho at all hours, worked as a roadie and sound tech, so again, coming and going at all hours, and they never got up. But of course that night I was sure they’d be on to me! I distinctly remeber after like 12 hours or so thinking “ah, this is what they mean by your either on the bus or off” like, this is never going to end LOL. You know, it will be less there, but it’s always going to be there! NOTE; I personally really think Nightfall of Diamonds is right up there in the top echelon; an actual full show, not cut ups, great audio, super set list. I think this one really flies under the radar. NEW SERIES; I’ve been saying this for years. Not specifically like who was it Kayak Guy? with the Betty Special Select concept, but the general idea of more releases, even if you have different tiers or levels of product. The super multi’s, that deserve the extra care and exspense get released say 4 or 5 times a year, with a box or 2 for the top tier, with perhaps a level, or two more below, including a quick and dirty Cassete SB type level ala 27. Those could certainly be pumped out a bit more steadily. If it’s a matter of staff, Hell im qualified and available. Me and Vguy will spit out enough product to make you dizzy! I fully understand and agree with who ever (sorry?? Memory shot) laid out the great marketing plan that is probably in play about releasing older stuff first since it will attract folks from tha era, as well as the rest, before all us geezers croak, while saving the later years for the youngins from that era. Makes sense, no matter what your fav, I think most folks really love to get official releases of shows they were at, in any form. But they are gambling on this remaining as vibrant, and thus as economically viable, as it is now. Why not get as much out now as possible? What if suddenly they lose their audience? I believe after the band folded, that was sort of the goal. I believe I read something from Mickey about trying to make every show somehow available ala cart so folks could just order what ever they pleased. But then Phil put the kibosh on it with “Im not selling the catalog to a Corp/won’t ever let trucking apear on a Chevy commercial” etc.. At the time that kinda made sense, just like finding someone to Front the huge digitizing costs etc to make it available made some sense. But much time has passed since then, and tech and the music industry have radically changed. So yeah, why the hell not have tiered releases, priced and released according. As our lovely English friends might say RIGHT, BRILLIANT!

Some are really good-the blues and jazz ones from a while back were great. And that one of King Crimson with Adrian Belew on vocals was alright. I don't think shirdeep posted any of these-he has different taste to me-but hey ho. I wasn't so keen on seeing Mansons face peering out at me when I scrolled down, mind you.

I have all four kiss solo albums. I still have yet to give a full listen to Peter's and Ace's.

People Are People got a lot of CD play from me

SYF is on Spotify although it isn’t named as such - it’s listed as Grateful Dead Records collection and is with the other albums issued on Record Store Day as a box set, Mars, Wake of the Flood, Blues for Allah although these again are not listed under their actual original titles. SYF is actually called live at Winterland San Francisco CA 10-20/74 after each individual song title.

Short are the legs that struggle behind

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“English pig dog, I fart in your general,direction,Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of Elderberries!

to have a little fun....The dead heads will put you on the rocks!

felt like I was watching a Time Life compilation late night infomercial. but wait! there's more....

....thanx. Like I said a few days ago, social media is a cancer. Behold it in all it's glory. My safe corner of the internet is compromised. Way to go home.. . "Who do you think you are? What do you mean when you put us all down Walking round in circles Your nose to the ground You think you're saying something Because you're making a sound You say you've seen it all You don't care to see no more But you don't get up an go until they throw you out the door." ....Looks like Vince is the smartest man in the room right now. Shazam.

:D

....so the Mets and Phillies played a game that counts, on a little league field in front of a bunch of fans. Some of which are little league players. There is hope in the world.

so are you being all butt hurt with me cuz im not exactly throwing a temper tantrum over someone posting up a manson video days ago, and was curious as to what something might sound like, and not joining mob rule on "hey fuck shirdeep"?

Smiling on a cloudy day.

yeah im sure its totally over my head. im pretty sure I hit the nail on the head lol moving on.