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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • UncleJon
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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
  • fluffhead042
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • stuman
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    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
  • fluffhead042
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    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    The reason I ask
    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    I tried TLH
    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Thanks cosmicbadger.
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Hey there. Like zep I also truly appreciate all the kind heads that are seeding and vining here. I created a nice spreadsheet for my vines and will not let anyone down! Thanks again to all in the vineyard. You all rock! Joe (TheNuthatch)
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I discovered the "Vineyard" during the 30Days promo. Thanks to all the people who have contributed to this process and continue to do so. As I learn this process, please don't hesitate to send me PM with your comments or suggestions. I look forward to making my collection of shows available to others and picking up some great new music. Best Wishes to All and THANK YOU!! Jimmy
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Welcome Jimmy & Joe.
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Welcome Jimmy, Joe and others. Feel free to ask questions in this thread or even to PM me. In case you don't know, Trader's Little Helper is all you need for SHN/FLAC. Hope you stay for a long time!
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Nice job man thanks a lot!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Just checkin in to say hello to all my vineyard friends . Life has been kinda odd for me, I have been out. On the road since august . Been all over this beautifully land of ours. Have missed all you guys and wanted to let you all know I am still alive . And while I am here welcome aboard to the new folks ! Take care everyone , gotta get back trucking ah ha ah ha .. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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thanks for dropping by. Happy travels!
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Hey Stu. Glad to hear from you. Say warm down there in FL.
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nice to see you. Don't be a stranger.
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Give us some details if you have time. Hope you are well!
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I must have been three sheets to the wind when I typed this....
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I doubt anyone would have noticed had you not brought attention to your post. Welcome back, STUMAN. Thanks for the update Badger. Has anyone heard from Trevor/Hippie Guy? Its been a while. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I received a pm from him back on Aug 11 in response to a reseed and he said he doesnt really do the vine stuff anymore. Thats the last I've heard from him. Hope all is well
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I chatted with him about a month ago and he said he was just taking some time off, doing some other things.
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got my first delivery today (from m.austin)hope I'm doing this stuff right - seems easy enough just a drag and drop to get it copied -except for the audio CDs- standard ripping for them. thanks to dstache for the Trader's Little Helper tips! Now to the individual vines to update them. Thanks All
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Well I got back on this big road back in august and only been home for 7 days in October. Have not had any time off since then. I missed my wedding anniversary, the wife birthday and will miss the holidays. Just try'n to get ahead in life. It's rough out here but it feels good to be back on this big road. If anyone wants to follow my travels I am on Facebook,, send me a friend request. You all drive safe , hope you all have a safe and happy holiday season ! " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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back in the vineyard, sorry for the vines I delayed, am devoting much of this weekend to getting out the vines that have been sitting with me nice to see the music is still going strong peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Glad to see that you are back
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Most of my computer troubles are behind me now (fingers crossed). I hope everyone here has a happy and safe holiday. Its good to see so many people, new and old still using the vineyard.
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how have you all accomodated viners across the big pond? do you actually send the vine to them, make a copy and send it to them, or what. a vine can just as easily die here as it could there.i know that there are viners here from overseas, but just curious as to what has been done in the past.
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I think we have had vines go all over the place from Canada, Europe, and to Australia and back. Other than lag-time, I don't recall any problems. I have mailed small packages to England, and I don't recall it being expensive--maybe a few dollars more. Use the US Post Office and not a private quick & ship business because it's a lot cheaper.
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traded discs across the pond, and it's almost less expensive to send to europe than it is to canada. just looking for some input here thats all.
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It used to be that we would set up Euro only vines, but as less Euros, and less Americans, are vining, that has gone the way of cassette tapes. I have recently sent a vine to Europe. I think it is fine. As long as postage isn't more than a few bucks more, I don't have a problem with it.
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Also, Happy Holidays to everyone. I had to comment that I just logged on there were only three members logged on. A few weeks ago when they were giving away a free download each day, there were HUNDREDS of people logged on all the time. My dad used to say that people would line up for dog crap--if it was being given away free. Its ironic when you think about how much free music is available to all here in the vineyard! "The sky was yellow and the sun was blue."
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Yep, I have been camped out here lately. The new guys like Jimmy and Matt have sorta brought new life to the vineyard--kinda energized the place. No offense, but I am glad it's not so crowded now because I had a hard time logging on during those peak "free giveaway" weeks. Merry Christmas all
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on the 30 days thing. Was there anything "new" released. By that I mean anything not in the vineyard or on Archive.org?
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I stopped paying attention the last 10 days, but there was at least 1, and I think at least 2 tracks, that came from either uncirculated shows or SBD sources. One was one of the Fall 81 acoustic shows. I think there was a 66-68 show too. They only released 1 song per day, and each day was a different show. What was remarkable to me was how good the sound quality was for some of this stuff. Officially releasing this stuff would upgrade the sound quality for some of these shows. Of course, that will never happen in our lifetime, at least not at a price that we would be willing to pay.
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sorry zepthompson; I forgot to include you as one of the new guys.
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especially when a new page comes along happy to be here and digging on all the fine music listening to Hot Tuna right now (from a FWGV vine) getting to know some new people - making new friends what its all about new to flac and wave format - but adjusting nicely Thanks guys! -zep. (for short - and easier to spell)
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Thanks to all the fine folk here Happy Holidays
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Everyone have a very Jerry Christmas and a Happy New Weir! (cheezy, but had to be said) Joe
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Hope all my vining friends are having an awesome holiday!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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And for all those with wee ones have a Great time in a few hrs.Bless you all be safe. And have fun. Smiley Dave Do For Other's You Will Feel Better. Guaranteed!!!!
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IMHO 76 is without a doubt JGB at it's best. Followed by 77 & 78 of course. I know a lot of heads aren't fond of Donna in the Dead, but her and Jerry really had it together in the Jerry Garcia Band. To me 1976 JGB rivals the 1977 Grateful Dead run. Its really hard to find a bad show, you know. Awesome vine dstache!
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Here are the shows recommended by the editors and/or reviewers in the Compendium for the years 1990-1992. I omitted some shows I already have (presumably from vines) and those that I know have either been vined or officially released. I'm sure I missed some so please check before you vine anything. 1990: 9/7, 9/11, 9/12, 9/14, 9/15, 9/18 , 9/19, 10/17, 10/19, 10/20, 10/27, 10/30, 10/31, 12/3, 12/4, 12/9, 12/12, 12/13 and 12/14 12/12 is especially recommended. The Sept MSG (less 9/16 which has been officially released) and Dec Denver (12/12-14) runs would be tasty vine fodder. 1991 It seems like just about every show is supposed to be good. 3/20, 3/27, 3/31, 4/1, 4/3, 4/4, 4/5, 4/8, 4/27, 4/28, 5/3, 5/4, 5/5, 5/10, 5/11, 5/12, 6/6, 6/7, 6/9, 6/11, 6/12, 6/14, 6/17, 6/19, 6/20, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25, 6/28, 8/14, 8/16, 8/17, 8/18, 9/4, 9/6, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/18 and 10/31 3/31, 4/1, 6/14 and 6/17 are especially recommended. And although I did not list it above, because I already have it in A- AUD, the September Boston run (9/20-26) in SBD would be awesome! 1992 3/1, 3/2, 3/5, 3/6, 3/8, 3/9, 3/12, 3/13, 3/20, 5/21, 5/24, 5/29, 5/30, 5/31, 6/17, 6/18, 6/20, 6/23, 6/25, 6/28, 7/1, 12/5, 12/6, 12/12, 12/13, 12/16 and 12/17. 3/2, 5/31, 6/28 and 7/1 are especially recommended. The May Vegas run (5/29-31) looks to be one of the best. I'm basing all this on the Compendium, and they are not always right. If you have some hot shows that aren't listed, I am game to give 'em a listen. I will try to post re: 93-95 later this weekend.
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the Dec. Denver run (12,13, & 14). the first two nites bruce hornsby sits in with them. Excellent shows start to finish. Just got in after traveling to see family for the holidays and have a stack of vines to weed through. I'll get all the info to marye so she can give it a home.Happy New Year all!!!!
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I wish everyone a happy new year. I prefer '94 and '95 over late 80s and early 90s. Jerry's voice was clearer and less raspy.
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All, Great Work on the 90's information. Looking forward to seeing a new vine with some of the shows EDAD, maustin and dstache are mentioning. Thanks for letting us "new guys" be part of this community. Best New Years Wishes-Jimmy
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You guys are giving this space some much needed rejuvenation and I thank YOU! Maustin, thanks for the Denver December 90 run.
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Happy New Year 30 minutes away on the east coast 3 and half hours for us on the west coast glad you made it back home Matt going out to a karoke bar tonight with the wife and friends - wonder if they have some GD in their books haha cheers everyone!
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Be safe and have fun tonight... and everyone have a great 2011! Thanks to all on the vineyard for a fantastic new hobby! Peace, Joe
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Here are the recommended shows from the Compendium for 93-95 1993 1/26, 2/22, 2/23, 3/10, 3/11, 3/16, 3/18, 3/20, 3/21, 3/22, 3/29, 4/2, 4/4, 5/16, 5/21, 5/23, 5/27, 6/6, 6/8, 6/9, 6/13, 6/15, 6/16, 6/22, 6/23, 6/25, 6/26, 8/21, 8/22, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/24, 9/25, 9/29, 9/30, 12/8, 12/9, 12/10, 12/17, 12/18 and 12/19 Especially recommended are 2/23, 6/9 and 9/12. The Mar Atlanta run (3/20-22) and Sept Philly run (9/12-14) look really nice. 1994 3/4, 3/6, 3/20, 3/27, 3/28, 3/30, 3/31, 4/4, 4/7, 6/19, 6/26, 7/2, 7/3, 7/20, 7/21, 7/23, 7/24, 7/27, 7/29, 7/31, 8/1, 9/16, 9/17, 9/24, 10/5, 10/13, 10/15, 10/16, 10/18, 10/19, 11/29, 12/1, 12/15 and 12/16 The Oct MSG run (10/13-19 with 10/14 having already been vined) looks especially good. 1995 3/17, 3/18, 3/19, 3/22, 3/23, 3/29, 3/30, 4/1, 4/2, 4/5, 4/7, 5/21, 5/24, 5/25, 5/26, 6/2, 6/3, 6/4, 6/21, 6/22, 6/25 and 6/28 Especially recommended is 5/26. The March Philly (3/17-19) and May Seattle (5/24-26) runs would be great vines. Thanks everyone!