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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • daverock
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    I am not a robot
    I have noticed that quite few people who used to post on here no longer do so. Maybe they failed the "I am not a robot " test.
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    It was my favourite show for years and years, from when I first heard it on a tape, round about 1988. Now, it seems like something of a final peak of the psychedelic years, before they concentrated more on songs and perfecting the more country based material. They seemed to start doing this during the second half of 1969, shorter songs interspersed with the jams-and this carried on during 1970. Binghampton seems like something of a final blow out for one particular version of the band. And although I think of it as a peak-I can't think of another show that is really like it. Its a killer alright. Incidentally-its a topic that has cropped up before-but I wouldn't say Jerry died because of trying to keep the band together. He died because he made poor health choices. Whether this was due to trying to keep the band together or not is open to conjecture. No one thing leads to us becoming addicts or to making poor lifestyle choices.
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    5.19.74's Truckin' jam into NFA....
    ....is a segue for the ages. But the best part, the BEST part is the segue from NFA into GDTRFB. And better than that, is how they end the GDTRFB. That whole sequence will never get old. Disc 16 is pure gold. And sounds amazeballs....I'm gonna put in on again right now in fact.
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    memory of listening to 5/19/74
    there used to be a coffee shop in Seattle called Sir Real EspressoThursday nights were GD nights many good times the proprietor always wore a Ringling Bros/Barnum & Bailey hat he played 5/19/74 at least 5 times over the 3 years of that one night he moved by trippily right as the Truckin' Jam went into NFA a treasured memory
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    anyway, 5/17/74 strong show 5/19/74 potent show 5/21/74 first set is tasty interesting thing: listening to disc three of 5/19/74. After Saturday Night it went to start of disc (Truckin'). "huh? oh well. complete recordings must not have included the encore" I look at packaging and see US Blues. I put disc back in go to track 6 and there is US Blues. WOW.
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    Yes, really. Jerry never better than
    Harpur College, 1970.That concert was so amazing, Garcia was completely beside himself. I loved my bootleg so much that I tried to convince Dick a number of times to choose that concert for the next Dick's Picks. And he did! I got a letter acknowledging my input. Cryptical Envelopment > The Other One. Nothing better than that version. Hands down. By the way, don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything else was a waste. Not as good, but not a waste. At least not until after 1977.
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    So Harpur College is the best show of all time? Well to each his own.Stopping after 1977 as well? No '85? So The Europe'72 tour was all just a waste of time and money. And speakin' of great boxed sets that's the one. 9/21/72,9/17/72,9/27/72, 6/10/73,3/24/73,3/15/73,3/16/73 none of this is worth it to you? As far as '74 nothing there either? Nothing in '76 or '77 Huh? And nothing at all in the '80's? I will say after Brent passed that was the end of The Grateful Dead.The '90's were horrific. Harpur college was a great show no doubt about it,but the BEST,nah. But that's just me.
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    Works for me.. the Salmon Box. Has a nice ring to it.
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    Wow, Harpur College 5/2/70 - the radio broadcast was the show I played over and over in summer 1972 and convinced me this was a cool band I wanted to see again. I loved the entire electric sets.
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    Great Playin..
    ..on 5/21/74-every minute justified. I wondered, with all the talk of its signifying length, whether that would be its main recommendation. But its not-a fantastic jam is a fantastic jam, whether its 6 minutes or 46 minutes. I wasn't that aware of individual instruments during this jam-just the amazing wash of sound-but as soon as US Blues fires up, I find myself listening to Keith again-so maybe he doesn't feature so much on Playin'. After all that-now 10/26/89 from 30 Trips is playing. Possible the first time I have listened to an 1989 show this year-way out of my comfort zone. But it sounds pretty good. Nice contrast to the epics in the box-yin and yang and all that. Short first set, too-its just ended.
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Is anyone else having trouble with 5/21/74 Playing in the Band? The download cuts out at about 20 seconds in and returns with just a few seconds left on the track.
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Download took about an hour. 41.7gb zip file. All 166 FLAC files are in one directory fully tagged with an embedded art image. I separated each show into a separate directory because that's the way my streaming device works best. This sounds INCREDIBLE! These shows are going to get me through this coming New England winter. No additional artwork. Fine with me. It's all about the music.
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5/21/74 Playin' I downloaded seems fine. 46:58, and no problems (except for the yowling that is).
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Jim, same here. July 78 fits right alongside the 77 boxes. I'm also convinced that totem box will vault to bear the top.
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mine will be here Tuesday...had to go in to town today (a 90 mile drive)and I said screw it and shelled out $20 for the three CD Believe It If You Need It for the ride home...listened to the 2nd disc...my my...I'm even more anxious now for delivery...it's good to be DEAD....
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....physical buyers have to Deal with possibly scratched CD's or dislodged glue. Digital buyers have to Deal with download hiccups or digital snafus. The only time it was perfect was when one was in the crowd. I listened to the Spotify Box Of Rain on the way home tonight. Yeah. I peeked.
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I have the same problem scboss12. I got the Apple lossless and the 5/21/74 Playin cuts out at 38 seconds and the rest of the song is missing in action.
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Like others have noted above, age seems to have made what is usually a simple process, in this case placing an order, into a frustrating, futile exercise. I have been trying to order the Pacific Northwest box for more than three hours this evening. I am logged in (obviously) and I can place the item in my cart. The numeral 1 then appears just to the right of the shopping cart icon indicating that there is one item in the cart. However, when I try to checkout, I receive a message that my cart is empty. I can get back to my cart by a number of paths available on the store and/or my browser (Firefox 61.0.2) and the product is still in the cart. I have successfully ordered numerous items from the GD Store over the years - the last set purchased was the Betty Boards. Is this a site gremlin that others have found a work-around? Thanks to the kind people who have taken the time to read my post in the off chance you had encountered the same problem and discovered a solution. Note: when I previewed my post, my status was listed as "offline", although I am able to edit my post without having to provide my credentials by logging in again.
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Which shows do you have available? I have most but missed out on a few and would love to fill in a gap or two. Let me know.Thanks, Mike
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....may be part of the problem. I use chrome, and have had no issues.Don't get me wrong. I still use Firefox at times. But it has it's glitches.
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I'm old as well, and have spent way too much time in outer space. To order I used the Chrome browser and it worked with no glitches. Put in my CC and got a final page with three download links. One being some screen saver (pass), a one tune download (pass), and the full download. Click. No problems at all. Download took about an hour. I wasn't logged in when I placed my order, if that matters. That being said, this is just mind blowing. I've been sitting here for five hours listening. Rock, country, bluegrass, jazz, space, what is this place? All of those things but no category one could stuff this music into. It's the GD, in one of their many primes. At least to these old ears. Brings me joy so, who cares.
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I've been working with Chrome for the past two hours and the SSL (and/or TSL) won't engage, leaving the connection unprotected. I can open another tab on the same Chrome browser (I chose the Washington Post) and that connection is encrypted with the SSL protocol. I can't imagine an online store that relies on, and accepts, sensitive credit card information without the use of some form of encryption protecting its patrons. I did create a new user account on dead.net in addition to rebooting my laptop, etc., in the hope that one of these measures would resolve the issue. Oh well, the dead.net store opens in less than five hours. I'll wait until the folks have gotten their coffee at 7 AM and hope the box set hasn't sold out by the time I call. Thanks to all who have offered suggestions and encouragement. I am also grateful that I was able to see Dead & Co. twice in June. My daughter, who is nearing the age of 30, became a Deadhead as she listened to the many tapes I played as I ferried her home from preschool, summer camp, on family trips, etc. We met up at a show this summer that was midway between us, which was perfect since we each drove 250 miles - much better than one of us driving 500 miles, twice. Back to music!
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Same one as copperdomebodhi, I think, about when it will ship to those who haven't already had shipping confirmation. Goes like this: Dear Grateful Dead Fan, Release date is finally here! Thank you for your pre-order of the Pacific Northwest '73-'74 Boxed Set. We have been shipping out orders as quickly as possible and you should be receiving a shipping confirmation email by the end of the day Monday (if you haven't already.) If you live in the US, please reference your shipping confirmation email for tracking information on your shipment. For international orders, please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. If you have any questions, you may contact Dead@wmgcustomerservice.com. Best Regards, Dead.net Customer Service
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I received an email from dead.net this morning. The shipping of the box should be done "as quickly as possible". I am in France, and for international orders delivery will take 4 to 6 weeks. This is good since I leave the day after tomorrow for 4 weeks of vacation. Good listening to those who will soon be able to listen to these six shows!
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I’ve got the same issue with the 46:58 PITB.....gets to 38 seconds then nothing. Keeps playing and counting off time, but nothing is there. So far it’s the only issue but I’ve only listened to all 3 Eyes and a couple other PITB. Really disappointed as that 47 minute PITB was top of my list! I was not able to complete my purchase with Firefox. Kept giving me an empty cart on checkout. Used Safari and everything worked just exactly perfect. Download only took 17 minutes and I’ve got 166 songs of grateness for the weekend.....EXCEPT the 47 minute PITB I was SO looking forward to.....
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Checked my status and it now says "loaded on delivery vechicle"... I can not wait. Also, I don't remember delivery updates ever being so specific before. I half expect the next one to be "he's literally at your door", or "it's coming from inside your house". Ok I'm delirious. Hope everyone has a great time with this set!
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The vinyl sounds beautiful! I'd get immediately if you haven't already. Can't wait for the box set to show up. Sound quality is dynamic and rich...WOW!
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UPS just dropped it off! Really cool-looking, and I'm about to pop in disc 1. Someone below asked about the boxset's weight and measurements. I can't find my tape measure, but the CD version weighs 5.8 lbs. Also, the CDs are in digipaks, so I'm anticipating no glue or scratch issues.
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Holy shit this is going to be a good day. 982/15000
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I find it incredible that they’ve had my money for over two months yet here it is the day after release and they can’t be bothered to send a simple download link.
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I am uploading the PITB track to GDrive. I will send a link to anyone who has a problem with the track.
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Whoo Hoo. Waiting on mine, but glad to see people are beginning to get them. UPS on a Saturday? Not where I live... USPS, yes, but limited.
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Please send link. I also purchased digital download and had a problem with this track. Would have been nice if they offered the individual cover art for each of the shows too. Once someone gets around to scanning those would love the artwork. All and all Dave and Co did an amazing job with this set so excited to take it all in. Killer sound!
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I was just wondering if somebody had nice high resolution images of each individual CD cover. I remember somebody posted a link to the pictures they had taken from the Get Shown the Light box set individual CD covers. After I rip the CDs, and put them in my library, I really would like to have artwork for each CD cover that they came in. I am sort of obsessive of how things appear in my library, and would prefer to post the CD cover of each show rather than use the same generic picture posted at the top of this page. Appreciate any help, enjoy the box set, hope it comes soon for everybody! Really looking forward to getting into all these shows, had not heard any of them before.
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....Jesus H Christ with a ham sandwich. It goes to every corner of the universe and back again. There is The Grateful Dead, and then there is every other band ever know in existence. (no. I did't get mine, but listened on Spotify last night).
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Not posting the link here. Don't want to piss off Dead.net. Send me a message here with your email and I will do it that way. Also, it seems like the ALAC version is the one that's messed up. This one is FLAC. Will just require and conversion is all.
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Can you send me the link, too? It looks like my 5/21/74 PITB is blank after thirty-eight seconds. I'm glad I read through the comments here this morning or it might have been a week before I discovered it. Has anyone had problems with any other downloaded tracks? I'm almost finished with 6/22/73 and they are all fine.
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Send me a message here and I will email it to you. I recommend everyone test their files to make sure there are no other problems. Just do a checksum test and that will show any incomplete or truncated files.
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You're probably right. ..but you are doing them a big favor. A small snafu, but I bet frustrating to a few of you out there. They usually make good on this kind of stuff pretty quickly. I can translate flac to alac if no one else knows that trick. No temptation to listen on my end though, until the box pleasantly weights down my front porch. I'm fairly convinced the young VGuy found and knew what all his Christmas presents were by the Friday after Thanksgiving.
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1) delete your browsing history, then tell the browser to accept cookies2) put Box in cart and proceed to checkout When you get the ‘your cart is empty’’ message do one of the following: If there is still a ‘1’ next to the cart icon then click on the cart icon If there is a a ‘0’ or no number next to the cart icon, then click on the SYF icon in the upper left corner Clicking on the SYF icon is what I did last week to order the LST BluRay.
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It always takes a while for delivery to get out to my neck of the woods. This time is even worse. MaryE says I should have a shipping notice on Monday. I'll be out from Wednesday thru next Sunday (16th). If you can wait, I'll scan Roy Henry Vicker's amazing art, color correct and post a dropbox link to hi-res versions as soon as I can. All of you overseas head's stories make my extra week's wait seem like nothin'. Glad we're already hearing glowing reports on the music and the box. As someone posted months ago, the PNW box is based on the traditional bentwood chests of the First Nations of the Pacific Northwest Coast: https://www.donsmaps.com/bentwoodchests.html
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Our blessed Saint Dick said, "BTW, I don't place a whole lot of importance on the 46 min. version of 'Playing in the Band' that occurs on 5/21-Seattle." Maybe he also got the version that cuts off after 38 seconds.
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It's the longest version to be sure, but not the "best" one ever done. Maybe that's what Dick meant.
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It's obviously a bad file. In my library it's only 8Mb when it should be MUCH larger. I opened the zip archive I downloaded and it's only 8Mb in there as well....so there's a mistake. I'm sure they'll offer up a download of the fixed file as soon as they get back in the office. Fortunately, it's the only one....all the other are sizable and look to be complete. I opened the file in Audacity and it's empty from the 38 second mark to the end. Just alot of nothing to play. Okay guys....get us the fixed file!
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It's obviously a bad file. In my library it's only 8Mb when it should be MUCH larger. I opened the zip archive I downloaded and it's only 8Mb in there as well....so there's a mistake. I'm sure they'll offer up a download of the fixed file as soon as they get back in the office. Fortunately, it's the only one....all the other are sizable and look to be complete. I opened the file in Audacity and it's empty from the 38 second mark to the end. Just alot of nothing to play. Okay guys....get us the fixed file!
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It's obviously a bad file. In my library it's only 8Mb when it should be MUCH larger. I opened the zip archive I downloaded and it's only 8Mb in there as well....so there's a mistake. I'm sure they'll offer up a download of the fixed file as soon as they get back in the office. Fortunately, it's the only one....all the other are sizable and look to be complete. I opened the file in Audacity and it's empty from the 38 second mark to the end. Just alot of nothing to play. Okay guys....get us the fixed file! (I did not post this 3 times....the system gave a "Gateway Timeout" then this happened)
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....thanks for the reminder. I totally forgot. As it would so happen, I did have some extra greasy bacon this morning for breakfast so all is good in the world. Serendipity.
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Well, my elation at receiving them this morning is gone. CD 1 played without issue. CD 2, while firmly lodged in the digipak, has an abrasion and some scratches, and thus skipped during Promised Land. So I've now visually inspected all 19 CDs, and #s 9, 10, and 14 are scratched, and 19 has some abrasions. Does anyone know who I contact about this? I've seen comments before saying, don't contact customer service, contact THIS person...
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I realize this is a first-world problem, but it sucks that I paid $200 and waited for months, and listening to the CDs is now a chore that I feel I need to rush through to identify any additional issues. (And I had a similar experience with Get Shown the Light - multiple CDs had glue issues.) Rhino and GD need to start focusing less on fancy packaging and more on CD quality control.
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One corner damaged by UPS and the other is manufacturing defect. I really hope they can send a replacement box so I don’t have to send the whole thing back. That bird song to kick off disc one is incredible!
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From your lips to Dr Rhino's ears. If it were up to me, everything would be in jewel cases, and THIS is the reason. I was one of the victims of the GTSL Gluegate, and had to be sent two replacement discs. Hard to believe that, given the relatively safe packaging of DaP-style cases with spindles, there are still scratches and scuffs on these new discs, but nothing shocks me anymore. Keep us posted! Guess the first thing I'll do when I get my box is inspect all 19 CDs for trouble. Sigh.
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Just my opinion only, but the CD has gone the way of the Dodo. Some of us came from the time of vinyl and made the transition to CD. After a short while, we realized that they were not going to be the best thing since sliced bread. My experience has always been they are delicate. I have had deep scratches in some and they played great and others had light scratches and were coasters. I have always found them to be a hassle. At some point, consumers need to get on board the digital file train. The pandering to neophytes who refuse to learn how to handle digital files needs to stop. CD's are an environmental disaster as well as an outdated medium. The 30 Trips box - despite the ambiguous choice of show release - was actually a cool idea. A USB stick with all the files on that. 24 bit, too. I would love to see all these box sets released as such. In a nice box with all the toys, bells and whistles, a book if applicable and a USB stick. I like many others, like to have "The Thing Of It". But the music doesn't HAVE to be on CD. The vinyl special releases are cool and vinyl as it turns out, was always more durable than CD and it sounds better. But for the masses, why not just leave CD's out of it and start doing USB sticks?
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....USB sticks are easier to lose. For one. Plus, my dog ate one once. lol.
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