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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • RobbZ
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    Not sure why, and probably listen to it a bit more than I should, but July 4th, Buffalo has always been a favorite of mine.
  • RobbZ
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    Sports?? I’ll watch/wager on just about any sport. However, I closely follow the NHL and College Football equally (viewing depends on who is playing whom on any given evening). Then the NFL, College Basketball, The NBA, Boxing (was the Mayweather-McGreggor fight boxing?) the CFL, and lastly Baseball. Now don't get me wrong about baseball because it's last on my list...I grew up in Cleveland, minutes from the old Municipal Stadium and watched & cheered many Indian greats such as Ray Fosse, Gaylord Perry, Lenny Barker, Albert Belle, Rick Manning, Mike Hargrove, Super Joe Charboneau, Buddy Bell, and Toby Harrah to name a few. Now a bit later in life, I just prefer a faster game, with an actual clock ending the game. I can't spend 5 or 6 hours watching a baseball game anymore....It's me, not you...LOL @The Outer One…I was actually tuned in last night to the opening of the CFL season, but that lightning delay lasted until I went to sleep. But you can bet I’ll be following the season this year as it progresses…including the Manziel saga in Hamilton. Johnny won me an ass-load of money when he played with A&M…I still talk about that Bama game…LOL @Vguy72…did you not mention the Knights/NHL in your sports post? Blasphemy!! I drove down from Utah three times last season to watch the Knights, would have gone more games but as the season progressed they got better and better and tix were getting expensive. In the mean time I watch the Utah Grizzlies…LOL
  • Thats_Otis
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    Happy Friday, DeadLand!
    Here's a little something special from this day in Grateful Dead history - 6/15/85 Greek Theater https://archive.org/details/gd85-06-15.oade-schoeps.sacks.24586.sbeok.f… The AUD sounds really nice too. Perhaps more famous is 6/15/76, which I am enjoying right now, but that 85 Greek show is something special! TONS of energy, and perhaps one of Garcia's finest ballad moments on "She Belongs to Me." His guitar solo is a thing of pure (American)beauty. Hope everyone has a great weekend! PS - Love all the chatter about July 78 Box. Arrowhead is my personal fave - just a compact, tight, smoking show! I also really like St. Paul... aww hell, they're all good! Peace
  • Oroborous
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    Thanks, another great story!
  • Oroborous
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    Right on 80sfan!
  • Oroborous
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    BASEBALL; I would of died for baseball when I was a lad, was a pretty good player too, varsity etc.. But like all sports I sadly watched money ruin the game....I was a huge Cardinals fan (used to listen to them on the mighty KMOX) Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Ted Simmons, Joe Torrey, yeah baby. Dug the Red Sox too, but such heartache. In Wesren NY most kids at the time were big Mets fans, or worse, ahem... So like most things I had to be different, the outcast, the other one! Probably a part of how I came to be a dead head and identified with all you weirdos; ) 89; personally parts of 89 into summer 90, before Brenski started to unravel, is one of my favorite eras. I know that’s contrary to the popular belief of a small but prevalent group on here, but don’t let that stop anyone from checking it out and coming up with your own conclusions.... Alpine for sure, Hampton, 10-16-89 is imho one of the best releases EVER! Philly was awesome, really wish they would get those out. When they played California Earthquake right after the Earthquake it was as good as any big moment in sports, trully powerful experience, at least live anyway. Not as familiar with the rest, of course the Miami DS etc.... EVIL TWIN; thanks so much for the stories! Please keep them coming. That’s perhaps my favorite part of this site; hearing great stories, especially from those who were there during those earlier glory years. 78 Box; even I dug it and I like that era less than some others, like??? Oh I don’t know like.... 73/74!!! So psyched for this new Box. Mostly enjoyed the “Mickey Godchaux” stuff of recent years, really liked the RFK, but I’m dam near Sh#&&ing myself waiting for this one! I’ve stated before I’m not a “taper” or obsessive collector like some. So that influences my wish list differently. I would like to get all the shows I was at, some other must haves or interesting wierd stuff, and I try to get at least copies of all the “official” stuff. Therefore I am not familiar with these shows and at first glance the set lists are perhaps meh? But thanks to all y’all’s comments about monster jams, and after watching Dave’s chat, well it got through my thick skull that these will be some real beauties eh! I mean Late 73 has always been one of my top, if not the top eras, I just wasn’t familiar with earlier stuff and though I like 4-3-73, it didn’t blow me away like say 10-19-73....(although that HCS and subsequent jam are sweet!) In fact how bout the rest of the late fall tour in a box? So there is always that awkward period like Ralphie in the Christmas story where he gets everything except that —“redriderbbgunwiththecompassinthestockandthisthingythattellstime” —when they release something I wasn’t at, but this time that lasted like 5 minutes. Now hopefully Dave’s 27 will come soon as a diversion, because I don’t know how I’ll survive until September! Yee-gads Thanks to Dave and all the gang who work so hard to bring us spoiled, whiney little be-atches all this amazing glory, especially the full led sonically enhanced stuff. And thanks to all y’all that help enlighten us dilatantes to the finer ports of these shows. Happy Friday All!!
  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    Had a salad for lunch yesterday. I didn't get to make it myself, but it was delicious. It was a total cash grab though. They didn't really care whether or not I liked the way the radishes were cut into those little swirly shapes. And the way the cashier pressed those buttons on the register with no elan, I could tell his heart and soul just wasn't in the transaction. I knew by then they were just in it for the money. I shook my head in disgust but proceeded to sit alone and eat the salad - even the radishes, in spite of it all.
  • Oroboros
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    But being a Midwesterner, I would point to the Alpine Valley run 7/17-18-19/1989, as an outstanding representation of the boys from that era. And my touring had reduced significantly with the arrival of my three sons, so my knowledge of this era is limited. And Robbz, you asked for another story (sorry cohorts who have heard this one, here it comes again) there is a 'prequel' to that 1978 story. Back in 1977, my girlfriend (now wife), myself, and two buddies decided to road-trip from Lincoln Nebraska to the Winterland for the New Year's Eve run of shows in San Francisco. I toted along with us a clay sculpture that I had made the prior year. It was a one and 1/2 foot (in circumference) dragon that was biting/consuming it's own tail. I had 'scraffitto' (carved designs) into the entire beast's 'hide' and then it was fired and stained. It was the biggest piece of clay sculpture that I have ever made. And I thought it would be fun to give it to the band on New Years. So away we go, get to the venue and secured tickets for the run (12/27-29-30-31-77). The shows were unbefuckinliveable and Winterland was such a great hall. But on the 31st, we were sitting on the sidewalk waiting for the doors to open, talking and watching the circus, ready to hurry and get in for the 'activities' ie. freak volleyball and Bill Graham was going to show us movies (Ray Bradbury's Illustrated Man and the original Beatles Magical Mystery tour) before that evening's show. I thought "I better try to unload the dragon aka 'Oroboros' now, it's heavy and I don't want to try to talk my way though the front gate with it." I spied a door that said 'Backstage' and began knocking on the door. No answer. The line of people on the side walk started getting up and moving toward the entrance. Banged even harder thinking "I've got to get this dragon in there so I can go in the front and join in before the show", and as I pounded harder, the door yanks open with a force that it yanks me into the doorway. This doorway is immediately filled with a gigantic black man in a red event t-shirt, who puts his hand on my chest and leans forward and bellows "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" Startled, I held out the dragon with both hands and stuttered "to give this to the band". The giant took it in his immense hand and his face curls into a grin as he held it closer to inspect it and I watched my dragon shrink to the size of a key chain. He exclaimed "Wow, what is this, I'd like one" and I explained "it's an oroboros and that is the only one there is." He grinned and said "Cool, who do you want me to give it to?" and I said "to Garcia, give it to Jerry Garcia." The giant disappeared as quickly as he appeared and the door slammed shut like the the first time Dorothy tried to get into the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. So, I happily gain entrance to the show and needless to say, it was something, 'freak volleyball' followed by the movies, Graham's copy of Bradbury's 'Illustrated Man' followed by a 16 mm Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour". The colorful/wonderful crowd, wonder gal 'rainbow' Rose with an eyedropper of liquid party favor "just one dollar per drop. On your tongue or for the adventurous, a drop in your eye". Oh, and when each person walked through the entrance the staff handed us a piece of paper that had a message about a "Good things come to those who wait, surprise at midnight" with steal your face logo. When you entered Winterland, you could go into the big 'hall' surrounded on all sides by an elevated balcony, (with theater seats). You could also go into a bar, which played some black and white videos on a 'big screen' taken from pro shots of the Winterland stage when Hendrix or Airplane or etc played. Very entertaining on many levels. Hey, the New Riders of the Purple Sage are starting, got to get in there, the sound is loud and they are rocking the house. Anticipation was high and the Dead came out for the first set. Our party favors are now starting to engage..., things began to sparkle, and the old Winterland venue takes notice, and her walls start to sweat and, then to sway with the strains of familiar music as the Dead coaxes this old hall to dance with us. This is such a delight, I know the vista cruiser is engaged and then I notice when the house lights went down, and the stage lights went dark in between songs, then I saw 'it'. On top of a monitor, in between Billy and Mickey, there was a flame, it was a white candle sitting in front of a dragon consuming it's tail. It was Oroboros, ON STAGE WITH THE DEAD! I watched as Jerry walked over and lit a cigarette off the candle next to the ceramic beast. They took a break and the surprise for the second half was Uncle BoBo (as Bobby liked to call Graham) dressed up as Uncle Sam on a motorcycle sliding down on a cable suspended high from the back of the hall (over us) to the stage. They put spotlights on him (as the Dead made appropriate musical anticipatory noise) and he approached the stage and it was hilarious. Because as Graham came to the stage, the weight of the bike and BoBo was too much. He and the bike were far below the lip of the stage, so the stage hands had to rush out and drag him onstage. Which triggered the explosion of Sugar Magnolia, complete with the dropping balloons. And flanking the Dead a gal and guy dressed in a diaper as the 'New Year' babies. I was 'sittin' on top of the world (Dead reference intended). What a night!! Hey if you pull up 'YouTube', type in Dead NYE show 1977- Fire on the Mountain video, and right at the end of Fire on the Mountain, the camera does zoom in on the 'oroboros' for a couple of seconds. RDevil here on Deadnet found that 'view' a couple of years ago and he clued me into it. And then I showed it to my 3 sons to demonstrate the old man is not full of beans or any other'brown material'. Anyway, what a treat that run in 1977 was. At many levels, the return of China Cat-Rider, my being able to 'gift' our band, who poured out so much to us. But unknown to me, the best would be yet to come. We walked out into the cool San Francisco early morning and drove through the fog back to Nebraska. This is not the end of the tale. Fast forward to 2-3-78 and another road trip to Madison, Wisconsin. The Dead were on a roll and this was really a killer show. That Cold Rain and Snow to start out and the tremendous second half with Estimated>Eyes>Wheel that will knock you into orbit. The next morning before I left the hotel, I got a wild hair and called the front desk and asked "Could I have Jerry Garcia's room please?" and the phone rang and Jerry answered! I said "Hey, I'm the guy that brought the dragon to the New Year's show" and Garcia immediately said "Meet you in the coffee shop in 20 minutes". I couldn't believe what was happening but stumbled into the coffee shop at the appointed time and looked around and saw Jerry Garcia seated at a table with a ravishingly beautiful raven-haired gypsy woman. I walked over and introduced myself, and 'shook the hand, that shook the hand, of PT Barnum and Charlie Chan'. Jerry beamed that smile and gestured and said "sit down, man". He asked me "How did you fire that dragon so that it didn't explode in the kiln?" and I explained how I had cut it in half and hollowed it out and then joined it back together. I told him how I had used a guitar string to 'halve it" and we locked eyes at that moment and he burst into laughter and I said "Ironic, huh?" and Jerry quipped "No, man that makes perfect sense." And then we laughed some more. Then the gypsy/beauty said "where are you from?" and I replied Nebraska. And she shot Garcia a glance and stated "he came all the way up here from Nebraska to see the band!" To which Jerry shrugged his shoulders and quickly retorted "we didn't ask him to come". Garcia looked over to me and we both howled with laughter again. No deadhead was she. We talked more about art and the dragon and I didn't know at that time of Garcia's interest and practice in art (this kind anyway). He was completely engaged in the topic of art, but quick witted with 'turn on a dime' twists, turns, and little commentaries on a variety of topics. Jerry was also focused on listening, not acting like he was the important one, giving me time and locked in on our discussion and talking about our shared interests. The gypsy woman frowned in disbelief as she asked me "You went out to San Francisco for New Years and then you came up to Wisconsin" and I said 'yes.' She looked perplexed. Then I turned to Garcia and asked him "Why don't you bring the circus back to Lincoln, Nebraska?" He quickly replied "You mean to Perishing Auditorium?" And I corrected him "No, it is Pershing Auditorium, after the army general" and he quickly retorted "No man, it was perishing, really!" And we both burst out laughing again. At that Lincoln, Ne. Dead show on 2-26-73, there were a bunch of drunk frat boys yelling 'boogie, boogie" at the top of their lungs.., but that show is top-notch! Anyway, I asked Garcia "could you bring the Dead back to Nebraska" and Jerry grinned that Cheshire cat grin and said "who knows?" I took my leave (their breakfast arrived) and drove home. Then that summer the Dead came back to Omaha, Ne. on 7-5-78, and I taped them with my NAK 550 in FOB, and followed them to their/my first Red Rocks shows. What a run! And now it is available in all its Plantagenet glory. I will always claim that Omaha show as mine. So that is my story, Jerry Garcia was totally gracious, engaging, enthusiastic, and kind to a deadhead who approached him at one moment in time. I know, I repeat myself, such is my lot in life at this juncture, but thought I would 'complete the circle' of this story. Anyway, sorry for the repeat, but 'looks like the old man is getting on'. Forgive me and give me a day and I will conjour up my account of my first show at the Des Moines fair ground in 1974 (which is more in line with this wonderful Northwest 73 & 74 offering). This era is when I first saw the Grateful Dead and was swept into an extraordinary adventure 'on the bus' and have been 'enjoying the ride'. "It ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, it is what I know for sure, that ain't so". -Mark Twain
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    New story to me...and much appreciated!
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    Fall tour is well documented with the Hampton shows, the Nightfall of Diamonds meadowlands show and the Miami 30 trips release...but the Spectrum run (10/18-10/20) is really excellent. 10/19 is one of my favorite shows of all time. Reach out if you'd like a copy...
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Why does everyone assume DR. Rhino is a HE????
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This is my guess. Spoiler alert, he pops up towards the end of the video (at least I think it's him). ..but we will likely never know for sure. I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
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And that was by no means his first appearance. He has appeared in many Rhino promo videos. The facial hair (if real) tends to suggest 'he' rather than 'she' but you really need to see the naked truth to know for sure.
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my GSTL boxset is not the one shown in the video. Maybe they made a special packaging for Europe to avoid tax Duties? I must mention I never had any problem with Dr Rhino, but I give my compassion to the people that are now awaiting for replacement, and hope everything will be completed soon. If you are interested in Pacific NorthWest you may have a look at this page: http://firstpeoplesofcanada.com/fp_groups/fp_nwc5.html
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Last night while I was taking a shower I was listening to 6/26/73 and the song "You Ain't Woman Enough" came on. I pretended I was Donna and sang along word for word. Then I realized I had done the exact same thing the night before listening to 6/24/73. Now I am worried I may have gender confusion issues. Should I seek therapy? Thanks Doctor. Sincerely, OK With It I Guess In San Diego.
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...and so ends your promising run for Senate. Too bad, I thought you had this one in the bag. On the bright side, at least it wasn't Money Money.
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I remember seeing that video. Perhaps trans gender. Only his hairdresser knows for sure.
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Thanks for the link, Crossroads!
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You don't get to sing with Elvis or at Muscle Shoals if you "can't sing." It's well known that Donna was often plagued with monitor issues, and a lot of the backlash against her is, in my opinion, rooted in the same kind of sexism that Beatles fans lob at Yoko. I don't always love Donna's screeching on PitB, but I've gotten used to it over the years and now when I play a post-79 show and the band plays PitB, I *kinda* miss her. Lastly: on her worst day, Donna's a better singer than Phil. Signed, A Donna apologist and Godchaux fanboy 4 life
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jimmyjack.... I agree wholeheartedly.
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@jimmyjack... I wholeheartedly agree with you. So much so that I posted it twice.
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I agree with JimmyJack as well. There is some detail on her work with Muscle Shoals on Wikipedia. ________________________________________________________ Donna Jean Thatcher was born in Florence, Alabama. Prior to 1970, she had worked as a session singer[1] in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, eventually singing with a group called Southern Comfort and appearing as a backup singer on at least two #1 hit songs: "When a Man Loves a Woman" by Percy Sledge in 1966 and "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis Presley in 1969. Her vocals were featured on other classic recordings by Boz Scaggs and Duane Allman, Cher, Joe Tex, Neil Diamond and many others.[2][3] She then moved to California and met future fellow Grateful Dead member Keith Godchaux, whom she married in 1970.[4] ________________________________________________________ She is a known entity.. Vocals and harmonies were always a moving target with the GD, it's often not the compelling trait that draws me into their music. I guess I am gestaltist when it comes all things GD. The greatness of the whole outweighs the imperfections of any of the individuals. She has grown on me, I guess I have a section of my cerebrum that reprocesses and corrects any wails and off-tune harmonies and lets me focus on the gooey magic holding it all together (note, there are a few exceptions where only skip and fast forward seem to correct.. but who's counting). Edit: I didn't notice the sexism part, I don't agree with that. Many say the same about Phil, Brent, Vince and Bobby to a lesser extent. She is off key at times, but so are the rest. Anyway.. after ripping and repacking my portable devices with the new box I am off for what will surely be a joyous bike ride.
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jimmyjack, you had to "get used to it". That says a lot. She was okay in the studio as a session singer and should have stayed there. I stick to my guns - she sucked. I hate her vocals. Ugh. If I could, I'd mix her out of all the Dead concerts. I agree - PHil's voice sucks also. And thus he doesn't sing hardly ever. And it has nothing to do with sexism. That's ridiculous. Many women vocalists FAR surpass Donna and I think they are great.
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Donna was at her best with the Jerry Band; maybe had to do with the smaller rooms they were playing, but she was great harmonizing with Jerry, and sometimes Maria Muldaur.
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She's ok sometimes. That's the best I can say about her.But I'm sorry, I just can't deal with her most of the time. Playing and also listen to Money Money from this box set. OMG! My ears, my ears! LOL
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I hear ya.. but it's not fair to pick on Money Money. You have to give them a mulligan from time to time.. plus they dropped it after just two tries. You did crack me up though.. points for that.
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Just to be clear: I wasn't accusing you of sexism! I was merely pointing out that women in bands--especially back then--were up against a lot and had to work twice as hard to prove themselves to dudes for whom a woman in the music business was more often than not viewed only as a "groupie." And I agree that talent transcends even these biases, and that's why Joni, Janis, etc take their rightful places in the hall of fame. As for Donna, I totally get that she isn't everyone's cup of tea, and tbh, in my personal rankings of Dead members she ranks pretty low. I merely wanted to mention that I don't think she's a bad singer (at all) and think she generally gets a bum rap.
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...go together like peanut butter and jam. When they're in the pocket on Looks Like Rain (say, 5/5/77), all is well.
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i used to have a setting on my audio workstation called "Donna Reduction" that was a Pop filter but manually applied to certain portions of Playing and Scarlet Begonias that was an 8 db volume cut to make her vocal more of an off mic exclamation than a cattle prod induced yelp into the microphone.i think Money Money was one of her better tunes, she really seems to be getting into it, without going into yelp mode. [from somewhere else on dead.net.] Money Money My baby gives me the finance blues Tax me to the limit of my revenues Here she come finger popping clickety click She says "furs or diamonds, you can take your pick" She wants money (what she wants) She wants money (what she wants) She wants money (what she wants) She wants money (what she wants) Money, money, money, money, money Money, money, money, money, money She says "Money, honey", I'd rob a bank I just load my gun and mosey down to the bank Knocking off my neighbourhood savings and loan To keep my sweet chiquita in eau de Cologne Mama, don't send me down to rob that bank again I got a notion you're leading me to sin Won't you relax, won't you lay way back Don't you bug your honey about no Cadillac It's only bucks, you don't need no jack So won't you please relax and lay way back My baby's loving gives me such a thrill It gives me inspiration making counterfeit bills Now some folks say the best things in life are free I sure don't get no loving living honestly Lord made a lady out of Adam's rib Next thing you know you got women's lib Lovely to look upon, heaven to touch It's a real shame they got to cost so much Recorded for "Mars Hotel" but only ever played live a few times before it was dropped. It was originally called "Finance Blues" - and that remains the title in Barlow's lyric collection. But it was retitled "Money Money" on the album.
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I agree with you on Donna to some extent. I think a lot of the older songs that they involve her in later in her tenure sounded better without her. Like St Stephen and Wharf Rat and Sunshine Daydream for example. The screams in Playing in the Band sound much better at a normal volume such as Europe 72, where she was mixed appropriately. Just wondering if that bothers you as well? And finally, I love her in certain songs like the Music Never Stopped, The Wheel, and Cassidy. When she belts out that line about greeting the morning air with song, I think she's just absolutely on fire and in the Dead zone. But if it's just her voice in general you don't like (when you say you wish she could be mixed out of all the shows), then I have some compassion for you, because I feel the same way about Brent. I hate to think a fellow Deadhead is not getting the full satisfaction of a great era because of a singer. FYI, she is not in the second set of Dave's Picks 18 from 1976, she is not on the Europe 72 show from April 16th, and she is not on most of the December 1973 shows. Also I would say her involvement in the Europe 72 shows is minimal, so those might be some good shows for you to pick up if you don't have them all.
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JGB 5-21-76 (Don’t Let Go CD) Donna sings great when she can hear herself.
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Pretty well documented that she often had trouble hearing herself sing in the earlier days, particularly during loud songs. And if you can't hear yourself, well, we all heard the results. The situation seemed to improve toward the end of her tenure. I'd wager she would have sounded consistently better if she'd had the benefit of the in-ear monitors of the 90s.
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very good simonrob I thought the same thing after discovering 5 pnw cds with scratches , I had two cds sratched from the get shown the light box, I will always be back for more , but the packing of these cds has got to be questioned? after all these years you would think ? I don't know,the dead an rhino seem to always handle these issues very timely ,so we will see , and I just want to say thank you to all who put this raging box out, thanks dave , p.s a GREEK BOX would be Valhalla
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Any/all Donna Jean hate cannot stand. I can count on one hand where maybe subjectively she went a bit too far. My favorite version of "L.L. Rain" is a just exactly perfect Bobby/Donna '78 duet. She does a brilliant job with "Money, Money" all 3 times played on display here. In fact, the studio version pales. Donna brings a firey energy and feminine mystique. The Godchaux's brought unmistakable depth and magic to the GoGD experience. The loss of both in '79 was massive. The band had highs and had lows in the 80's, but was never quite the same as before. End of.
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I only saw the GD with the Godchauxs a hand-full of times. I thought she was very good at shows I saw. I grew to love Donna's voice, but yet later on and influenced by other people's mostly negative opinions, I became a "Donna-hater." But I was always "on-the-fence" with Donna - that is sometimes great, sometimes she's a screaming banshee. In this freshly released 6/22/73 rendition of Playing In The Band, I think her vocal contributions are different but great. I find it much easier NOT to bash Donna. I deeply appreciate her contributions to the music of the Grateful Dead.
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Good call on the Brent thing. I'm a big fan of Brent, actually--I think he lit a necessary fire under Jerry, and I like what he brought to the Dead instrumentally and texturally--but I have never liked his vocals and *definitely* have never enjoyed his songs. So I get it. But I'd never want to "erase" him from any Dead show. Now, do I skip the occasional Brent song when the button is in reach? Yes, I do. But I've also been known to skip a "Little Red Rooster" or two...
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....pre hiatus. Tough. Post hiatus, golden roads.
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7/3/66 , jiggle the handle, kingfish , nite cap pink Floyd ,peace and love
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Happy Monday morning to me! #12213 just showed up down under. Currently looking for issues and ripping. So far so good. As everyone has already stated looks amazing and looking forward to my first listen!!
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I am a fan of Donna. I agree she missed the notes sometimes, we know about the difficulty hearing yourself on stage with those loud speakers. She was also very expressive, free and experimental (like the band) and it didn't always work (like the band). I'm listening to Seattle 73 as I write, and remembering plenty of shows where they could not harmonize well at all, and none of these guys had a good voice. They were at their worst trying to sing harmonies. Come on, Bobby has been a longtime notorious shrieker. They could play up a storm and captivate my attention musically with its beauty at a show, then stun me with their poor harmonies, You gotta admire their spirit, singing as best they could with such great songs. That was the GOGD, and I bought the whole enchilada. She is integrated into a lot of their songs. If you listen to all her contributions to all their songs, she is right there with them, trying to harmonize with their weak voices. And I don't have to mention songs she really shined, others have made good suggestions. I will also share that she added a wonderful yin yang balance when she was on stage with the boys. There was a positive balance and she added a great feminine energy to many songs. I am a fan of Donna. I love her energy. What a trip.
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Just ordered the Pacific Northwest Box set. I've always loved the Native American Art from PNW, and glad I'm now able to click the button. Looking forward to it from all the reviews. Yipee!
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I like the CD cases ... they look great on a shelf amid other Grateful Dead releases ... nice colors, etc ... CD's pop in and out, no worries about sliding discs over cardboard ... I didn't take a magnifying glass to the discs, just played them and had no issues. [I did have to return/replace a disc recently due to a scratch, Anthem of the Sun 10 22 67.] The music and sound are superb to my ears ... 6 22 73 really is a transcendent show, great to have it in such good quality. I would rank 6 26 73, 5 19 74, and 5 21 74 just below or right alongside 6 22 in terms of overall performance/greatness/enjoyability ... and 6 24 73 / 5 17 74 just slightly lower but still excellent, with superb moments. Overall spectacular release IMO ... and there's still a need for more 1973 especially ... 72 shows played in 1973, still just 20 or so releases give or take ... 1974, which I'd take more of as well, has about 20 releases out of only 40 shows played.
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I had good rational reasons for buying the 3CD set instead of this box.I have almost every 73 and 74 release ever from GDM. That is A LOT of 73/74. I do not need to give any more hours of my life to listening to 73/74 First Sets! I feel like the 73/74 Second Sets are stuffed with "First Set" songs, limiting the length of the big jam segments that I crave. I don't have interest in, or space for, big containers and books. It helps my family when I choose to spend $19 (Amazon) on myself instead of $190. So I got the 3CD. And it is FAAAAAAAANNNNNNTASTIC! This is a bunch of golden moments without the other moments that filled out the whole shows. And, against all logic, that makes me hungry for the rest! I just saw 6/22/73 and 5/19/74 from this box sold seperately on Ebay. I lingered over them, I drooled, I trembled. I got away... this time. I spent $600 so far on 30T shows. Of the 16 I "really want", I now have 14. The 75 and 79 shows will never be sold on Ebay at the prices I will happily pay. Sooner or later, I think I will pay prices for them that will make me unhappy! Having seen the advent of a "Music-Only" 30T box on sale, I will try hard to wait for this box to go "music-only". I will have to try VERY hard...
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Do you think dr.rhino will replace a digipack case for one the shows because the plastic teeth one one of the disc holders is broken. And I have some scuffed discs with skips. I’ll be emailing dr.rhino tomorrow.
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HelloI ve received the box but THE DISC 3 FROM Show #1 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73) .........IS MISSING!!!!!! I can t imagine that I m going to stay without it. I ve made a request and I just hope this problem will be resolved . JEAN PIERRE
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It seems a given that Donna was very good singer-never mind Elvis Presley, you didn't get to be a session singer at Muscle Shoals if you were tone deaf. Also that she didn't sing so well with the Dead on stage. Especially during the golden years of 1972-1974. The reason given for her often off key singing is usually that she couldn't hear herself on stage. I wonder why this problem wasn't addressed at the time? For a band that recorded all its shows, and amended the sound constantly in search of aural nirvana-I wonder why no one thought to help Donna out -as well as listeners - and enable her to reach her full potential? Seems a bit of an oversight now. But one that is constantly brought to our attention.
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I bought the box, but I just thought I would say that the reasons you give for buying the 3 cd set make perfect sense to me. The biggest weakness in the 3 cd set has to be the omission of Dark Star-far and away the highlight of the 1973 shows. I am half way through the first 1974 show, and, as someone said on here yesterday, this already seems a far stronger show than the three 73 shows preceding it.
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Salut, Jean-Pierre ! I'm sure dead.net or Rhino will send you the missing disc if you signal them. I come for my part to pay 58 € of taxes, and yet I am not sure to receive my package as I will not be back from vacation before two weeks. I wonder if UPS can return a package to the shipper while import taxes have been paid?
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who do you have to notify about scratched/skipping discs? Do you have to return the faulty disc? the drama continues
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Was there nothing to be done about a near-complete vocal dropout from Sugaree through El Paso? That's four full songs in which to solve the problem, it seems something could have been done.. Or is this a defect issue and I should consult customer service? Also one of my discs arrived irreparably scuffed.. Otherwise loving the box!
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This is a problem baked into the source master tapes, something remastering from the source two tracks simply cannot completely address. They are not a defect in the discs and any replacements provided will have the same issue. I find these comments from Archive.Org relevant: __________________________________________ Reviewer: c-freedom ***** - May 20, 2017 Subject: Mama told me,, Papa told me yeah, this is the good stuff.. Vocal drop-outs late 1st set- just listen to the jam. https://archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.fix.miller.107165.flac16/g… Charlie Miller had the following comments about pitch issues in the source tapes as well, something both he and Jeffrey Norman (+ the plangent process folks) did a good job of addressing. "-- The pitch was a mess, it's not exactly perfect but is a lot better" The original Dicks Picks were printed with a Caveat Emptor, usually on the back cover of the CD. I pulled this from Wikipedia: Caveat emptor Each volume of Dick's Picks has its own "caveat emptor" label, advising the listener of the sound quality of the recording. The one for Volume 22 reads: "Warning: This is not an audiophile recording! Many of you may have read the numerous Dick's Picks Caveat Emptors over the years and thought "Oh yeah... sure... whatever." Well, this old analog recording source exhibits many audio flaws including high distortion, low vocals, tape hiss, and missing pieces. No fair calling Customer Support and complaining! However, let it be known that this CD also includes some pretty damn exciting and historical music, and for that reason is brought to you with pride." __________________________________________ Hats off to the care that went into making these imperfect 45 year old masters sound as good as they possibly can. These shows, this release and the care that went into it speak to history.
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Yeah, I dig - just in the past, they've patched in audience sources or some such to fill in those kinds of gaps - and especially as it's something that lasts over 4 songs, just kind of surprising that they didn't work some of their usually impressive wizardry.
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Yea, that would have been an impressive fix. 74 is especially prone to source tape anomalies. Oh well.. such is life I guess.
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The box itself is cool although I would have been happy with something less extravagant and therefor less expensive and easier to store/display. I'm fortunate that I have furniture that can accommodate it's size (likewise the Europe 72 trunk) but I'm sure that's not the case for many. Hopefully the next large offering will take this issue into account. Enjoying the accompanying book and kudos to Nicholas G. Meriwether for using "champing at the bit" instead of chomping. Just a personal gripe of mine but appreciate that somebody finally got it right.For the music itself, the Vancouver '73 was always a favorite audience tape and this recording is a real treasure. It has a certain gentle aspect to it that envelopes you like a cozy blanket. Sounds a little silly but...what can I say? I'm lagging a bit on listening but I've checked out most of the Portland '73 show. To my ears the sound quality and performance is not as good as the Vancouver show and I'm a little surprised they chose this one for a vinyl pressing. In any case I'm real happy to have this collection and looking forward to the next big drop. Thanks for all the hard work.
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