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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • MDJim
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    Re: Vocal Dropouts Portland '74
    That's just the way it is on the master reels. I believe what we have are these recordings in their best form.
  • johnjr113
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    About PNW Portland ‘74
    Help Me Please,I can not hear the vocals in Sugree, He’s Gone, Roses, El Paso and maybe another tune. Is that the way this show was recorded or should I be looking for an exchange? I agree that hearing the band w/ out vocals has a certain charm, but if that is a mistake I’d rather have the show in it’s best form... For the record I spent the $$ on the box set....no regrets.... I love it....
  • Mind-Left-Body
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    Re: Banter / Gollum
    As more and more releases come out, I've been hearing a pattern from the boys, usually Bob and Phil, where they're just plain imapatient with the crowd. The one you mentioned Gollim. DP 31 / fence comments, 30 Trips "Stand up! / Sit Down / Stand Up / Sit Down!" DaP 10 - "Always one surely asshole in the crowd"5/3 or 5/4 1972 flash bulbs comments Many more I don't recall the show. I don't think these guys were the idealized leaders of peace and love and free sharing of music and goodwill that many here make them out to be. They were as impatient with a jerkoff as any of us are. Truly nothing special about their fan relationship than any other band. Loudmouths upfront paying their bills. Love their music, but they're no different than any other band when it comes to fan relationships. There are a few bands who are better. But most are like the Dead, and the Dead had no unique special feelings toward us. Band, fans l, make a living, keep it down up front, you're distracting us from having a good time, hope you didn't get in for free. Their words.
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    Phil at the end of the "I know you rider" Seattle 6/26/73: "If all you loudmouths up front would shut up so we could hear ourselves play- that would be beautiful". I was surprised to hear that one. The previous 2 shows have such a mellow, friendly vibe. As Lemieux said, each show has its own personality. The Seattle show seems to have a harsher, hard-edged big city vibe.
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    Between song banter
    I like the between song banter, too. The Grateful Dead were a comedy troupe pretending to be a rock and roll band. The rock band format won out and they learned between-song mime, also known as Dead Sign Language. My wacky idea: As the Dead became somewhat more formatted and somewhat more predictable, take the Drums> Space segments and after Drums have the whole band come out and do spur-of-the-moment somewhat sarcastic or anything else that was popular in the 80's (and '90's) comedy for a few minutes to see if that works. Jerry, Bob or Phil would play a chord or two ending the comedy and into Space or a song. The comedy bit could be ended by Brent with a chord or two, or by Vince and/or Bruce doing the same and into space or even a song. Life beyond Bob's "Yellow Dog Story."
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    During a break between songs the crowd is screaming requests in a somewhat agitated tone. It is clear that the Dead were taking forever between songs. Finally some totally pissed off dude screams "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?" Finally Garcia says "Calm down. Everything's going to fine." Also somewhere in this box set a voice cuts in and says something like "David. David." I was listening through headphones and it freaked me out, like someone was in the room. This box set is wonderful.
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    Steve Miller Band
    I agree that if you are looking for cutting edge jamming rock with excellent instrumentalists, the Steve Miller band would not fit that bill, but simple blues, catchy tunes, slick, that was also not what they were about in the '60s. The '70s was a different story, but the four albums they released in 1968 & 1969 are fine pieces of work, in my opinion at least. In the '80s their albums were even more commercial but I did see them live in the early '80s and was impressed, but not in the same way that I was impressed by the Grateful Dead! Anyone who can rhyme "get your rocks off" with "knock your socks off" has to be treated with a degree of suspicion.
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    LMAO at the Box Set between-song-banter
    On the Seattle 6/26/73 show before Beat It On Down The Line(deciding how many beats before the vocals): I did my best to transcribe. You have to listen with headphones, and turn it up LOUD: Jerry: "how many?" Bobby: "Half-a-dozen" Phil: "Half-a-baker's dozen?" Bobby: "Half-a-baker's dozen?" ... [in-audible] ... Jerry: "6 and a half" Bobby and Phil: "6 and a half" Then they actually throw in an extra half note. Does anyone else enjoy listening to the banter, or am I just nuts?
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    In the late 60's Miles Davis was told by his record company to court the "rock crowd" and he reluctantly began scheduling dates at the Fillmores. His first night at the Fillmore in 1969 found him watching the opening act, the Steve Miller Band, from the side of the stage. He was so appalled that he declared the experiment over and started to leave. Clive Davis and Bill Graham talked him into staying and playing. All of the Fillmore shows were recorded and many albums resulted. Live At Fillmore, Black Beauty. Bitches Brew Live. Miles went on to tour the rock scene and loved the Dead, becoming casual friends with Garcia. In 1969 I was looking for cutting edge jamming rock with excellent instrumentalists. The Dead, Hendrix, Cream, Zappa, Miles Davis. In that context, where my head was at, the Steve Miller Band was awful. Simple blues, catchy tunes, slick. Yuck. Believe me, grabbing that Steve Miller Band album was a no brainer.
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    Oh dear...
    To think that a Steve Miller album from that era was total garbage just shows how one can make seriously bad judgements due to the inexperience of youth. I trust you are better now!
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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still poking, but here(?)

When will it stop telling me about cookies, but then asking me tell it the email address everytime,,,, does it really know me?

I'm too am not a robot, yet (with defiant tone)

Gainsville?

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I've always thought there should be one single "conversation" thread versus moving to the comment section of the lastest release. Downside to that is a never ending stream flow of "the conversation". Could get long :-), at least when you break down by product you have a timeline for the conversation and can say that was posted during "X".

This new way does seem to be burying it a bit,, I will continue my search.

If anyone sees when DP subscription is posted and you have my email, hit me,,,, don't want to miss :-(

enjoy

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Yesterday I got tired of picking out buses, crosswalks, street lights, and hills just trying to log on to this site. That's not easy on your phone. Then I get on the site and I am not that happy with the changes. Dave's Picks is gone. All comments are buried under page after page. It seems to me the new site has more of a product selling orientation than a Grateful Dead community hub feeling. Perhaps familiarity with the new site will help over time.

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The current Dave's is at the STORE and under SPECIAL EDITIONS SHOPS. Hope this helps. I think we're all going to be in the dark (no pun intended) for awhile.

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Anyone wishing to log out will need to click on the POST A COMMENT bar. After that in the upper right hand corner to the right of the search bar either the shadow figure or the down arrow have a log out 'key'.

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Hi all. I don't want to be one of those, is there something wrong with my disc guys, but I would like to know if anyone else has had the same experience as I. I can hear Lesh, Weir, and Kreutzmann (especially the bell on the ride symbol)--and even Keith comes thorough loud and clear--but Garcia's guitar is more-or-less MIA. When I can hear him, it sounds like he's in the lobby. At first, I just thought it was the opening show, but then I started sampling around, and the same phenomenon occurred. He comes through a little bit when it just a quartet, but hone the whole band is playing, forgetaboutit. For instance, on GSET from Portland '73, when Keith and Donna come in, Garcia is completely washed out. Is this a problem with the master tapes? I'm playing the discs through a McIntosh MVP991 > McIntosh C220 > McIntosh MC275 > Wharfdale Opus 2-1 speakers, which usually have a pretty good soundstage, where each instrument occupies its own defined spot in the field of play. I read some similar comments earlier onto board when the set first came out, but they didn't specifically address the Garcia guitar issue. Any help or comments would be appreciated. Thanks!

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still looking for how to get here to read comments without posting a comment

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you can also click/hover on your avatar at the upper right to reveal a menu that contains Logout, among other things.

Dennis, if you click on the comments tab and scroll to the bottom of the comments, there is a button that says "View More," click on that and it gives you more or less a way to view comments without posting.

Tommyboy - I believe what you are experiencing is the result of the original mix from the master reels. If you are hearing music at all.. you should be getting the digital sound. I have never heard of a batch of CDs that skew or dropout a part of the sound but play other parts pretty much ok. So long as you are not getting that digital aliens have taken over the world screeches and hiccups.. you are getting what was encoded on the CD.

Check the mix of the best sounding recording from archive.org (usually the Charlie Miller) and compare it to what you are listening to. I bet the dropouts are consistent.

I just finished my first listen to the entire box. There are parts where the mix isn't perfect this is not the case on every show/ every cd. All in all, this sounds good to me and is a nice upgrade from my old copies I pulled down from the archive long ago.

At least that's my take.. I think they got this sounding as good as they could considering the age and mix of the source recordings. I hope that helps.. without listening to your exact copy that's the best feedback I can give.

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now where are my sunglasses, this page is so bright, I hafta wear shades

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Marye~
I don’t know if you saw my post a couple days ago, but you cannot hover on a smart phone (iPhone 8+ / iOS 12). Besides that, clicking on the avatar photo or drop-down arrow is not working on a smart phone, either.

Background color ~
The two things in the comments sections that I thought made it feel personal and intimate (besides everyone’s warm and loving comments 😉) were the background color of the page and the font used for the subject of the comments. I can concede the font, but I think bringing back the familiar color of the background would make this new experience more comfortable. This white makes it feel like it’s just any other site.

Comments sections ~
I agree whole-heartedly with what many are saying about the comments sections on the product pages. I rarely post, probably only a dozen times or less since becoming a member of this site. But these “discussions” are the only reason I regularly come to this site. I know the site was only unavailable for a couple of days or so, but I really missed it. It’s something I like to check in on almost every day. It’s familiar user names like “marye” and many others that let me know I’m in the right place. I’m just not sure about the redecorating yet.

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I think I found the way here, getting ready for work right now, thanks for the hints.

You have not seen the last of me, this site will not win.

(I don't know how people are inserting emoji's,,, are you just using a cell phone? I'm strictly desktop man)

I only can do :-)

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BAM! Website change.

Looks slick, but not very cozy for me.
Probably won't be around as much.
My dead.net friends, you know how to reach me!

Peace.Love.Dead.

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Still enjoying the box. So far I've listened to this box from start to finish twice and I feel like I've just scratched the surface. This is definitely one of my favorite boxes.

Just finished my first listen.. digging it as well. I respect the criticism.. but hey, this is my sweet spot and there were many high points for me.

I say this a lot, but this release is worthy.

I also feel like there are quite a few from this era yet unreleased that will surpass this one. It's a period rich in experimentation and improvisation where, with the exception of 1974, very little has been released. On that note, I think much of the 74 material in this box was stronger (at least on the first listen) then some of the 73 material released. Goes to show they are saving some mighty fine stuff for tomorrow's best ever box. Cheers to that.

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Does anyone know how to send or check PM's in the new world order?

Also.. using Windows 10, the hover over the Avatar thing does not open up any menus and the little down arrow to the right is non functional too.. so you folks using phones to access this site are not crazy..

Yes, tone down the white too.

I bet a few of us could put together a ten bullet point list of items that would greatly improve things without being a bunch of whining freaks.. change that.. without being a bunch of whiners.

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Well, this is going to take some getting used to...

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Hey MDJim, or should I say MDJIM, when using my laptop, if I place the cursor over the upper right hand link where the avatar picture is a list of links comes up, including a link to messages. This messages link takes me to previous PMs. I haven't sent any yet, so I can't answer that part of the question.

It's odd seeing everyones user name in all caps.

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That seems to be working for me now too.. but it wasn't over the weekend. Progress.. Thanks Charlie.

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I just want to let TPTB know that the avatar photo link is now working on the iPhone 8+. Thanks for the effort!

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I'll let the tech folks know.
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in the upper right hand corner is working now. Onward and upward, I always say!

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I know it's been put up here numerous times,but I need Dr. Rhino's number or e-mail please.
All four discs from 6-22 will not even play. Not one f'n note. Started in on disc one from 6-26 and it wll not play either.
Before I waste more of my time on what is obviously a VERY FLAWED & EXPENSIVE product I would just like to cut to the chase and see if I can get a full replacement.

Any help would be appreciated.
This is the last time I will be buying anything from these guys again,but I need this fixed.

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Testing new site profile....

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I've passed this to the Doc. So sorry for the trouble.
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Just want to post a little love for the first Seattle show on the box (6/26/73). Portland 74 is, well Portland 74; other shows have their bits (Seattle 74's 46-minute PITB; the PITB with proto-FOTM snippet at Vancouver 73). But I'm inclined to vote for the He's Gone > Truckin' > TOO > Bobby McGee > TOO > Sugar Mag from Sea 73 as my favorite stretch of the whole set. What a bonanza.

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Thank You
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Where I worked for 36 years was a large 100+ acre multi department facility with 100s of employees. For years the employee cafeteria was a meeting place where people from different departments would gather and bond over a hot meal served by a smiling fellow employee. Some years ago management "modernized" the employee cafeteria by getting rid of the cooks and servers with brand new food vending machines, a fresh coat of paint, tv screens, WiFi, and charging stations. No one eats there anymore. They just walk through, buy what they want, and return to their work station. The social element that had made going to "The Pit" such a pleasure had been removed. Hoping this isn't the same thing happening here.

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One has to admire someone who can stick with a job for 36 years. I have never managed more than 12 years. 🤤

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Yes, when I first heard this box I said the same thing, Where's Jerry? All three of the 73 shows he is missing or just barely there. It does get better for the 74 shows but still , not great. I can relate to your stereo system, I bet that baby kicks some serious butt. Mac is the way to listen to the Dead. When I was in the service, we had money to burn so we all bought killer stereos (early 70's) and out of all of them I heard, the Mac was the cleanest most defined sound. Beats them all, so it's not your stereo or your ears, it is the recording and it's limitations. Someone said that maybe they turned everyone else up so they could hear themselves, trying something new, whatever the reason, but Bobby, Phil and Billy are very present and sometimes Keith, but Jerry is way, way down in this mix, at least for the 73 shows. Sounds that way on my Nak TA-4A thru Altec Bolero speakers, Nak CD player too.

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Campaigns, thanks for the comment on the '73 Truckin' medley. If that's someone's favorite stretch, I have to give it another listen. I was so blown away by the 26 minute Truckin' => Jam from the other '73 show, and so bummed about Jerry's lack of presence on a lot of the '73 stuff, that I've been passing this one by. Will have to revisit tinight.

Great segue into my comment to Unkle Sam - the lacka Jerry in the 1973 shows seems to come and go, so there are some tunes that I find are not terrible, but some truly hurt when he's not audible. I feel your pain man. I'd be a real curmudgeon about it all if '74 was like that too, but those 3 shows are among the best sounding of the whole year to my ears. So you know what I do - on my drive to work I turn the balance toward the left channel so I can hear him better. Helps a little. Until you then can't hear Keith.

Oh you have to be kidding me - this robot question keeps popping up while I'm typing, so I end up hitting a link to something else (cell phone). F'ing brilliant.

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Marye - I've tried contacting you via PM which didn't work. Can I ask for your assistance for getting replacement discs for the PNW Box Set. I emailed Doc Rhino 4 weeks ago and was sent a reply on 9/23 saying the replacements would be coming. I've received nothing as of today 10/23. Can you help? I need replacement discs for the following:

1. 6/22/73 - Disc 3

2. 5/19/74 - Disc 1

3. 5/21/74 - Disc 2

Thanks for your help,
Dave Strang

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I'm in the same boat as Dave Strang, emailed Dr. Rhino about a month ago or more, received an email saying a replacement disc will be sent out, then nothing since then. I am guessing that they had a large number of discs to replace and are just behind schedule, but it is getting to be kind of a lengthy delay in making things right. Fortunately I am just waiting for disc #5 and I am still hoping they make it right, even if it has not happened yet.

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I'm having issues with PMs, so just do this for the moment and I will pass this to the Doc. Thanks!
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Finding threads are very difficult. And once you find them it does not look good especially on my phone. May only have to use this site on a desktop going forward.

Also just noticed I have been assigned an avatar. Would love to have my original one that I uploaded. Oh well

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Howdy, folks! I've had perfect success sending Marye a PM with my order number and the specific disc numbers that I needed replaced from the PNW set. Response was quick and I received my replacements in just a few days. Once the sites issues are resolved with PM's, I suggest that route for those having trouble reaching Dr. Rhino. Good luck!

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I could have sworn there was a comment page on Dave's Picks 28 but I don't see it now.

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Nice packaging and all...but the sound quality is very very sub-par. Jerry's vocals are virtually non-existent in many cases. Can't hear the guitar. I see now many others have similar complaints. Is Rhino actually replacing discs? This is the last box set I'll buy if this is a sign of things to come. I've purchased others and they've all been great. What the heck happened with this set? Very discouraging.

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Parabolaus - I'm sure the problem with PMs will be resolved but I wanted to let Marye know about the discs as well as the problem with the PMs. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

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my PMs are working now! Long version is that the Doc is busily sending out replacement discs, so if you need some, send me a PM and we'll get on it. Thanks!

i have listened to 90% of this release, and have no issue at all with the volume/mix, no scratches, no skips, etc.

just awesome, awesome music.

great box set.

I will now do the Church Lady superior dance.

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I agree, the mix is spotty in places. But, that is how it very likely is on the master tapes. It shouldn't be from a cd/digital defect.

On a slightly related note, headphones vs. sound systems provide vastly different listening experiences. A lot of times with headphones you hear nuances that aren't apparent on a sound system. Of course, you cannot rattle the walls though with phones and that is part of the fun.

P.S. I haven't yet checked if my discs are scratched up. I just ripped, tagged and have listened to random portions of shows. Perhaps, I should get on that...

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I absolutely love this release. Outstanding

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