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    Holy S#%*! It’s the COMPLETE Europe ’72 Box! On Over 60 Discs!

    $450.00
    Europe '72:
    The Complete Recordings


    Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

    After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


    - David Lemieux


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    Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

    Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

    This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

    Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

    Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

    The packaging is, as you might expect, first rate. Each show is its own Digipak, with its own liner notes by top Dead scholars (including David Gans, Steve Silberman, and Nicholas Meriwether) and attendees of some of the concerts, and many never-before-seen photos. Additionally, there is an enormous book worthy of coffee table treatment featuring hundreds more photos and a comprehensive essay by yours truly (Blair Jackson). The box will also contain other memorabilia and ephemera from the tour.

    A rough sketch of the potential packaging.
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    At $450, this clearly will not be a box for everyone. In fact, this individually numbered boxed set will be limited to orders placed with a maximum of 7,200 boxes produced. As a special bonus, the first 3,000 orders will receive a personalized copy. Due to the huge manufacturing costs (wait 'til you see it! We're doing something unlike any other boxed set release ever! It's exceptional!!), we need to hit 3,000 sales before we even go into production. If we don't reach 3,000 by April 1st, the boxed set won't be able to happen. This isn't a gun-to-your-head sales pitch. Rather, we want to be open with you about the realities of this release's massive scope and ambition.

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    So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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    Long Dead
    13 years 10 months ago
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    I'm at a loss of words for this fabulous package!!! I hope they do these more in the future... I'm in the same boat as you Dilbert! But now we play the waiting game...
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    Since the default setting was for OLD COMMENTS FIRST, I hadn't read all the ordering drama when I made my previous post. What really peeves me is that i learned about this from a Facebook comment ... they seem to be rather inconsistent in their email notifications. Anyway, hope this IT problem gets resolved. If it doesn't well -- I've still got all my trade copies, and I'll be $450 richer won't I? :)
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    What about doing the 7,200 as a limited edition, and then, as someone suggested earlier, open up the music to everyone else via a hard drive or download series? Charge less money for a less frilly version and everyone has access to the music (which is the most important thing) and everyone is happy.
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$450.00
Europe '72:
The Complete Recordings


Hey now! Due to overwhelming demand, surprising even those of us with huge faith in the Europe '72 project, the entire limited edition run of 7,200 boxed sets has sold out in less than 4 days. We thank you beyond words for your support and belief in this unprecedented and wonderful release.

After lengthy discussions, we've decided we don't want to deprive anyone of this music, some of the finest the Grateful Dead ever performed. Of course, we're keeping to our promise that the boxed set and all of its accouterments will not be made available beyond these 7,200 boxed sets (and wait until you see the case in which the music is housed, the hard-bound coffee-table book, plus all of the other cool surprises we've been unearthing!). But, we're going to offer just the music, all 22 shows, more than 60 CDs, more than 70 hours of music, each show housed in its own packaging, for the same price as the boxed set, $450 including domestic shipping. Although perhaps not as cool as the boxed set, the bottom line is that the most important aspect of Europe '72: The Complete Recordings is going to be made available to all, the music.


- David Lemieux


Because you dared dream this might happen one day… Because you went down to the Gypsy Woman and offered up your first-born to try to make it happen… Because there are enough passionate Dead Heads at Rhino/GD who thought it might be cool for this to happen… It’s happening! Coming in September is a gargantuan, beautifully designed EUROPE ’72 MEGA-BOX SET containing ALL 22 SHOWS of what is arguably the greatest tour the Grateful Dead ever played, on a whopping 60+ DISCS (over 70 hours of music!). Bet you didn’t see that comin’!

Really, at this point we probably don’t need to lay on too much hype about how wonderful the music is: Chances are, if you’re even considering buying a copy of this stunning box, you already know how amazing the Dead’s tour of Europe in April and May of 1972 was. To review briefly, though, the Dead’s first tour outside of North America took them to all sorts of historic and unusual venues in England, Denmark, West Germany, France, Holland and even tiny Luxembourg. Many members of the Dead “family” came along on what was really an extended working vacation that was designed to both expose the Dead to new audiences and also reward the band for their unlikely conquest of America during the preceding two years. As a hedge against the costs of the nearly two-month trip, the Dead’s label, Warner Bros., paid for the band to lug around a 16-track recorder to capture the entire tour… and we’re glad they did!

This was a band at the top of its game, still ascending in the wake of three straight hit albums — Workingman’s Dead, American Beauty and the live Grateful Dead (“Skull & Roses”). It had been a year since the lineup had gone to its single-drummer configuration, six months since Keith Godchaux had been broken in as the group’s exceptional pianist, and this marked the first tour to feature Donna Godchaux as a member of the touring band. There was a ton on new, unreleased material that came into the repertoire in the fall of ’71 (after “Skull & Roses” was out) and during the spring of ’72, including “Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “He’s Gone,” “Comes A Time,” “Ramble on Rose,” “One More Saturday Night,” “Black-Throated Wind,” “Looks Like Rain” and Pigpen’s “Chinatown Shuffle,” “The Stranger (Two Souls in Communion)” and “Mr. Charlie.” (Sadly, this was Pigpen’s final tour.) All those future classics were interspersed with songs from the aforementioned “hit” albums—such as “Uncle John’s Band,” “Brokedown Palace,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Casey Jones,” “Sugar Magnolia,” “Bertha,” “Not Fade Away,” et al — and then were topped off by loads of big jamming numbers — the Europe ’72 tour produced spectacular versions of “Dark Star,” “The Other One” “Playing in the Band,” “Truckin’,” “China Cat Sunflower” > “I Know You Rider,” “Good Lovin’,” “Lovelight” and even the early Pig chestnut “Caution.” And that’s leaving out a truckload of other tunes, too! There wasn’t a clunker show in the bunch, and many are acknowledged today as classics. No doubt you already have some favorites.

Through the years, there have been a few releases of material from the Europe tour—starting with the 3-album Europe ’72 which knocked our socks off in the fall of that year, and followed many years later by material from a pair of German shows and the fantastic 4-CD Stepping Out, culled from the group’s eight shows in England. Incredibly, though, only one full show from the tour has come out previously: the excellent 4/24 concert in Dusseldorf, Germany, released as Rockin’ the Rhein in 2004.

Until now, that is. Jeffrey Norman, who has been the primary mixer of Dead archival multi-track material for the past 15 years (Fillmore West ’69, Ladies and Gentlemen…, Rockin’ the Rhein, Nightfall of Diamonds, etc.) has spent many months toiling over the 16-track masters from the tour, and will continue working on the mixes through the Winter and Spring, employing the high-tech Plangent Processes transfer and restoration tools, trying to get every show to sound “just exactly perfect” (as Bob Weir says) for this release. You might think you’ve heard that intense “Dark Star” > “Sugar Mag” > “Caution” from Copenhagen, but I guarantee you’ve never heard it sound this alive! Mastering to HDCD specs is two-time Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser of Airshow Mastering. Needless to say, all the songs that turned up on previous Europe compilations will be appear in their proper show contexts, and in the case of songs from the Europe ’72 album, without overdubs that were added later (where possible).

So dig deep, raid the penny jar, take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box, beg your kindly ol’ grandma for some of your inheritance early… Yes, it’s an extravagance, but jeez, you (or your loved one) deserve it! This is way cool.

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"On January 31st, 2011 Nicholas Newgarden said:Another poster writes: "Let's take this in perspective. If you don't like the price, don't buy it and move on." Again, why should it be an all-or-nothing affair? Digitize the archive and allow those who only want a portion, and who don't feel compelled to purchase the same material twice, a better option. Cut out the EBAY angle, and cut out the obscene use of natural resources entailed in producing such a set. It's not simply a matter of price. I'm taking issue with the way the GD archive is mishandled, not simply the price of this particular set. That distinction may have been lost on some." I agree with you here. It would be nice to have a download otption for those who wish to have the shows they like, and for those who simply can't afford it. I was just saying that until Further notice (hehe), we don't have that option and it's the discs or nothing. I am a big Phish fan, and they are putting out tons of material for download OR purchase. With everything in the GD archives, this could be done. it would sure take a while, but it could be done. I will volunteer to help them in the vault. :) Just think, you could download every show you've ever been to, and pick and choose. But it would still be cool to offer special box sets with memeorabilia for those who like it. Ok, my rant is over. And I also think musicians should stay out of political endorsement...
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I'm all for more digital downloads. Think HDCD sounds good? Why not release 24-bit/96kHz shows like Phish has started doing. Now that would be SWEET.
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You CAN already download hundreds of shows, in increasingly good quality, for nothing, from several well known places, with no apparent objection from the band or Rhino. We are now even seeing 24 Bit releases (better quality than HDCD) for some shows..have you heard the astonishing stuff from April 1971? And people are making amazing audience/soundboard matrices, adding atmosphere and color to the soundboards in a way not available on official releases. There is a completely free alternative to just about everything released, and some things that are not even in the vault. And sometimes pitch corrected better then the official releases. Hell there are nearly 1000 shows openly vined on this very site. We all really do have a choice.
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Most people aren't complaining about the price. 22 shows for $450 is not too bad. We're just complaining that GDM is charging the same price for the box and music only editions when the music only edition COST LESS TO PRODUCE! Why not pass this savings to the fans!
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Haha yeah true, of course I'd say about 800 of them are stalled out =) I was excited about 24 bit until I tried dealing with the format, it's a pain becaause you can't fit a 24 bit show onto a standard CD plus they take up almost twice as much room on my HD's than 16 bit and other little stuff like that so I prepfer the ol' stand by 16bit format. I guess that's why I like getting a hold of releases like E72 that are in HDCD and on discs already. It's a luxury item =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Yours is a great perspective and you seem to have a positive attitude. There's no way mp3 could ever rival HDCD. But check what Badger says about 24-bit - it's the bomb! Maybe I'll use the money I really would have spent on the box to get an HDCD player - for grins. I'm listening to Steppin' Out, too. In my car. Can't stay away. " Where does the time go? "
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Thanks to all involved with this project. It is a monumental undertaking and my family will cherish the music as we have cherished the Dead. I also feel all the constructive suggestions and previous notes of gratitude have been helpful to the TPTB. I am disappointed by the content of some who feel particulary entitled by some reason, their words are mean spirited and have only caused more emotional responses, replies that come spur of the moment from anger, as to more mature comments that will be read. Things get done by asking much more than demanding. Special thanks to marye, she may have to read through all this demonstrative crap the rest of the year as I'm sure that there will be those that feel it wasn't just exactly perfect for the money. Please try to keep our language less acidic (not that kind).
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...............with Rockin' the Rhein in my car for the next few days at least. Goose bumps already..
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Alot of the comments make sense but am i missing something...i'm not even able to buy this even if i wanted to spend the 450$ to do so....is everybody able to buy this and am i singled out for some reason...that's discrimination if that's the case!!!
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...sad people, apparently! Everybody gets the music! Providing of course you have the four-fifty...plus shipping...
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It says the GD want more than 7200 people to have this music. Well I placed my order for the CDs. I was supposed to get an email acknowledging my order within 24 hours. It has been 48 hours, nothing. So I pick up the phone and call customer service. I get some ESL person who only God knows where they are on this green earth who cannot answer any of my questions about my order. Ya think they could invest a little money and allow people to check their order status on the site without having to email or phone someone? Ya think they could spend some money and hire some American citizens who speak reasonable English to answer the phones and answer simple questions about an order? This website is positively, absolutely, stone-age primitive. I am not giving up yet though.
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So sad to see the scalper trash on eBay trying to sell this thing for 800-1400. I hope somebody from dead.net takes the time to match eBay accounts with dead.net accounts and cancel these thieves! I mean seriously, isn't it time to take a stand against these kinds of leeches. They damage the scene immeasurably. They take the common fans chance to own this piece of history away by jacking up the price. They take income away from the band because if someone pays 900 for a 450 set - that's 450 that they are not going to spend on other dead stuff. Someone, anyone, please feel my pain!!!
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I don't care about the box. The coffee table book would be nice to have. I don't care about the rest of the "trinkets" either. I just want the CDs. So how many people will be able to get them? I too check in periodically to see what is available. I got lucky with the Fillmore box but I missed this one by about a week. I too have tried multiple times without success to get on the email notification list and gave up on that. Please just start the presses and just make the CDs. People will get the music they want and the eBay scalpers will be screwed.
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Nicholas you make a good point...i don't not one person feels confident about making alot of money this year...and it's true there are alot of drudgeries awaiting us...gas, unemployment, probably hikes in food and just about everything else awaits us...but it's totally disgusting someone said there's 120 of these boxsets for sale on EBAY for crazy prices...so the problem is that the fans aren't getting them...even though this is their website but the sellers are probably smart enough to keep in touch to wait for boxset limited editions...maybe the dead shouldn't ever have a limited anything edition...it's not to say it should always be in print but it should be understood every now and then go into production for the fans who'll want to get these sets...i think that's a reasonable answer to this madness...the BEATLES once said their mono recordings will only be for 10,000 or so people then they said we'll go in and out of production with this for at least awhile...and that's a reasonable take on the situation...personally i wouldn't be offended if they went into production and put out the 1969 complete fillmore set...i have the full set and don't feel it should never be printed up again, i do know if i wanted to sell i could probably make $$$ but i don't want to sell it, not interested in making money for it...i'm really torn at wanting it and i'm also fearful about the economy and the future of america and myself...business for me is 1/2 of what it was just recently as 1 year and i'm sure there's a ton more of people saying they're out of their regular jobs and are doing something way less or not even able to find work...music does take your mind off of your problems and it does transport you back to happier times, that's a fact...also you won't be charged until september...so if you put 2$ aside each day you'll be able to pay for it without a problem...but your right we all have or can have literally 1,000s of hours of Dead music at our disposale...this set really captures your interest though.
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On January 31st, 2011 rswojo said: Ya think they could spend some money and hire some American citizens who speak reasonable English to answer the phones and answer simple questions about an order? "Ya"? Well, I guess that would count you out now wouldn't it? But seriously, I know for a fact that the Dead Store employs poultry and not people to do a lot of the work processing and packing orders. I know that because one time I rang cusomer service about an incomplete shipment that I received and the nice sounding lady on the phone told me that the problem had been caused by a "fowl up in shipping".
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Your post really made me cackle!
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I'd rather see americans hire americans...alot of americans don't realize alot of people are brought in from other countries to work here as well for alot less of a price too...so if you think jobs will be plentiful it's not exactly accurate...i think there's a combo of people thinking it's still 1960 as well as alot of the youth who are really lost and out there...alot of society problems single parents, maybe no parents, no family, no foundations etc...it's really a horrible time to live or be alive in...what's sad most of us are divided from one another...divided we fall, united we stand...like this dead box set no one is unified on the bad occurences and the injustices...once again it's the haves (7,000) and everyone else are the have nots
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tony we see you are on mission to end limited editions. we get it bro. the worlds a bad place cause of limited edition jeeps, cars, record,s cd,s pants, shirts, coins and a million other things and trinkets. the bad thing is people love limited edition crap, it makes people fall out and take the bait cheese and spend there bread man. its not gonna end anytime soon. sorry man. Long Live limited editions! and bonus disc!!!. gotta have it.
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Deadicated, but the Flac files eat up all of my hard drive space. Plus, I find the IPod compresses the files to the point where the difference is beyond my ears. Definitely need to burn some of the better shows on CD though. As for some of the other recent posts, why are people getting political in these comments? What does Obama or American politics have to do with Dead.net or Rhino or this release? I truly wish that everyone who visits this site could get exactly what they wanted, and it sucks that there are limitations preventing that. But the honest truth is that the people who run this web site are fundamentally trying to do a positive thing in selling this music. This process is not corrupt or even about corruption on any level. This is an experiment that despite setbacks looks to me like a success by a long shot. First and foremost, the success has been seen on these boards thanks to the work of Marye and others on this site. Bottom line is that the music is being released and money is being made. Good and good. Hows about we all stop naval gazing at Ebay, get the product at the 450 and be done with it.
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Ya think they could spend some money and hire some American citizens who speak reasonable English to answer the phones and answer simple questions about an order? "Ya"? Well, I guess that would count you out now wouldn't it? Ya up here in da UP that's the way it is said. I have dealt with outsourced call centers and I worked for a company that outsourced call center work. It is not a pleasant experience for a customer when the person that answers the call is not given the training and tools to do their job properly. Good communication skills are essential also. When a customer calls to inquire about the status of an order they expect to be told more than, "Call back tomorrow". Count yourself out.
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Ending limited editions would mean an end to price gauging...it would end selling a 99$ box set for 400$...a 450$ box set for $1099...some say they saw it already for $1400...the Beatles when they released their MONO set changed their minds after 1-2 months saying it will be limited for now but will go back into production a few weeks after it's 1st initial release...the Dead have done something like that after they sold out in just 4 days which tells them there's a much larger demand...i do think it's wrong to charge the same exact price for less, unless they rethink and include the book and/or whatever else they have to include...and if your for limited editions it must mean your looking to make money off of the dead...and i can understand wanting to make money but there's other ways to do it as well...you can get a hot dog stand and sell hotdogs in the business district of a city...or play your tunes in a subway station with the guitar case open...or go around asking your neighbors to borrow money like my neighbor does everyday until i had to threaten him...what i'm saying overall it's a depressing society to be living in and the dead is all we have to get by...all we have to keep our sanity from going under...the dead offer light and hope...obviously they don't live up to their name the grateful dead...are they grateful to be dead?? It's a great name, when i was very very young i thought what a morbid name for a band...i hope you'll see the evil of what a limited edition can bring on...hey if anyone has any ideas on how to make money other than re-selling grateful dead limited boxsets let's hear them.
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On January 31st, 2011 Tony_is_dead said: "...it's really a horrible time to live or be alive in..." On January 31st, 2011 Tony_is_dead said: "...what i'm saying overall it's a depressing society to be living in and the dead is all we have to get by...all we have to keep our sanity from going under..." Well that's one way to look at it. I got up to a beautiful blue sky, sunny, warm day. Listening to The Dead was just the icing on the cake.
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Dear person selling Europe '72 for $1200, Wow - I sure hope you are not a dead fan yourself. If you are, you just lost all of your shakedown street credit. Bad karma to rip off Family members. No more 'miracles' for you. So sad for you... - scorpio2k ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear scorpio2k, I'm sorry you feel that way. Are you a dead fan yourself? I can't imagine any real deadhead would wish bad luck upon another human being. Unless of course you feel invoking karma somehow allows you to disassociate yourself from the guilt in wishing bad upon another human being. Especially over what can only be described as a bunch of "flair", silly trinkets. The music is still available to all at an unbelievably great value considering a recent Elvis Presley release had about 40 discs and was $700. Possibly you aren't aware that dead.net has a music-only edition with every single show just like the limited edition release for the same low price of $450. I'm sorry that I have offended you. However, I sill wish you good luck. Remember, it's about the music. -gouger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear gouger, 1) you are scalping. 2) you are violating eBays terms - you cannot list an item you do not have in hand. Good night and good luck (I expect this item to be deleted by the morning anyway). -scorpio2k ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear scorpio2k, If such is the case then my auction will be taken down. However, whatever I am doing is only a case of technicality not morality. What I am selling will exist. If by technical infraction I have violated an eBay rule regarding lag time, so be it. However, I will not be judged by anyone on eBay of all places over something like this. I have bought nearly every single release from dead.net and only resold 3 Dick's Picks some 10 years ago. Everything else I've kept and I've loved. You have no more claim to moral highground then I. And I am a Grateful Dead fan. Period. The music is available to all. I am not witholding food or shelter or medicine. It's music. And it's about the music. I will own it and I have every right in this country to sell it. -gouger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So there you have it folks - the nitty meets the gritty. The bus came buy and I was busy protesting...
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It's true the dead do that i was listening to a 1972 show and there was some serious harmonizing going on with some of the songs and it really did melt away some of the ice and/or emptiness...then Jerry's guitar, Phil's bass, by then the Godcheaux were there, i think pig was just singing select songs that he did lead vocal on and then went away...but the dead are definitely part of God's children and saviors for the wounded in spiritual pain or not so wounded too, for anyone who wants to listen.
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I'm pretty sure I need to stop adding to this thread but here goes one more I'm bet everyone would have been happy if the set of 22 shows was made available lets say $25 each 25X22=550 say they offer free shipping if you get the complete set - nice deal But No -- Rhino and the rest want to do something real special something that can't be stocked - THIS IS BUILT TO ORDER Not just a 'chest' for the set - throw in a hard cover book! and a few other cool pieces - a DVD or two? (I do count 24 slots in that chest) Not for $600, Not for $500 Like I said way back If they didn't care about the fans they would have offered the CDs only first then the set - then the deluxe box.... and I'm sure if they limited orders to just 1 or 2 per -- you would still see some on Ebay probably for even more than what you see them going for now. so if you have missed out the 'box' you still can get an awesome deal on the complete tour. you can't possibly expect anymore than that???
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Re a comment above about HDCD quality. My guess is that less than 1% of people buying this set have HDCD players. Only a couple of companies make them, and, in most cases, they are very expensive. I live in France, and I can only find two such players, at prices well above the cost of this box set. Querying people who have them, they find that HDCD doesn't make much of a difference in sound. In fact, I've long wondered why the Dead organization stay with HDCD. Few players, a codec being killed off by Microsoft (who owns it), and little sonic difference. If they went to SACD, or even multi-track SACD, now that would be interesting.
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I have a CD player that is only few years old. It is not HDCD but it is a 5 disc changer. When I put in a 3 disc Road Trips (HDCD) and 2 other regular CD’s, the Road Trip CD’s sound amazing compared to the other standard CD’s. Even if the CD’s are remastered the HDCD sounds far superior. That is my experience. Of course, this is subjective and there could be other factors in play.
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I picked up a Denon DVD 2910 (with HDCD) on ebay here in France for a real bargain and it is fantastic. It does make a difference. There is another one here at a good price right now http://tinyurl.com/5vqgcrj
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I like it-it is noticeably better-SACD is better still. The HDCD players are scarce now but were more common a few years ago. Both Denon and NAD offered them at low price. I picked up a factory refurbished NAD HDCD player for under $200.00. a couple of years ago. Vincent is still making CD players with the HDCD chip. RE: SACD, even more difficult-the players are mostly very expensive and the SACD releases are few-mostly classical at this point. There is a difference in sound quality-more noticeable on a high quality system with the HDCD. I was particularly struck at the great sound on the Cow Palace New Year 1976-77 disc with HDCD and Plangent. My view is use any tech that will bring the performances back to life-VIVA the Dead! I am happy that they are striving to bring the best sound possible.
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You don't need an HDCD enabled player if you have a 24 bit soundcard. DbPoweramp, for starters, has an HDCD dsp which handles the extraction automatically. I've got a mid-range 5.1 speaker set up on my PC, and HDCD and 24 bit are wonderful. Me - I'd like more 5.1 mixes, like Mickey did for Beauty & Workingman's - one instrument per speaker, pretty much, and you hear stuff you've never heard before.
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I agree that the remasters sound good, as normal CDs. I'm just a bit dubious about the HDCD thing. Apparently, it's a 20-bit recording somehow encoded in a 16-bit stream. I don't know how much of a difference those 4 extra bits make. Re the Denon: what's its output? Does it output in standard audio, and can it run through a DAC? (I have a Cambridge Audio DacMagic.) I'll consider that Denon; it's fairly cheap.
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In defence of Blair Jackson, I think his essays accompanying recent releases have been really good. Informed, entertaining, reflective and not uncritical. But the promotional pieces for new releases are a little overhyped for my tastes too. I suppose the idea is to get folks fired up enough to press that 'buy now' button, but I am not sure that task is worthy of the talents of Mr Jackson. Maybe if he gets commissioned to write a lot of the Europe '72 book he can hand over the hyping duties to someone else :-)
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I am both a movie fanatic as well as music fanatic (read also deadhead). Last year I bought my first (and probably only) home theater set up with a blu ray player and nice speakers. In doing the research I bought an Oppo-83, which is more expensive than most Blu-ray players, but is a universal disk player, meaning it can handle all audio formats. At the time I had almost no CD's left in my collection. This proved to be a wise move on my part as I have since swooped up many SACDs, HDCD, DVD-audio's and other cds. As for the SACD's and DVD-audio, my copy of Dark Side of The Moon, Beethoven's selected symphanies, In A Silent Way and Workingman's Dead are my favorite surround sound mixes. As far as HDCD's, I purchased both Winterland box sets, Rockin' The Rhine, Steppin' Out and most of the 70's road trips. When I put them in my Oppo, a HDCD light goes on, and I will say that the depth and width of the sound field is impressive. The sub bumps, which is not the case for regular cd's and it just sounds fantastic. I have my receiver set to Direct, meaning it only plays what the Oppo tells it to play and doesn't do any THX hooha to it. It is a significant improvement over MP3 files. As always, my only problem is my wife's total indifference to the Dead, which means I only get to rock out when she's not home. Can't win them all.
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Blairs write ups in the liner notes always seem to give me a feel for what was going on at the time the Grateful Dead were in that perticular place and time or city. I dig that man, im a huge a fan and i was lucky to see Jerry and the band play a few times in the early 90s. But my interest in the band runs deeper than 1992. He was there in the early days when a bunch of us were not. he was on the deadhead scene and knows what went down for real at the gigs back then cuase he was there. i think his liner notes with the Road Trips Series are worth there weight in gold. i hope all this Blair bashing dosnt make him not want to keep doing what he does. if his notes wernt there there would be a huge loss to the deadhead community. yall need to take it easy on the guy . he just does his best to help us enjoy the timeperiod were trying to groove. I like him and i think a lot of others do to. peace Craig>DarkStarr1971
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"You are passionate, Mozart ... but you do not persuade." Have you tried anesthesia, brynhoe? " Where does the time go? "
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jaxxtraw Not sure exactly what it is, but for the first time in my life I feel a differnt vibe with the dead. The box set is way more than any other ever offered by anyone, wonderfull realy. But because some technical flaws kept some of us from getting through, we get less, (for the same price?) even though it is totally within the band's control to make sure we don't. (not like a finite amount of seats at a show)The promise of only 7200, doesn't cut it. Would those lucky fans realy mind if the rest of us got on the bus? How would others being blessed with the same good fortune diminish it for those first in? Is it a race? a competition? Is it strictly commercial? I have bought every Dick's Pick, the box sets, subscribed to Road trips, saw 114 shows... but now it feels different. You guys say we will get the music and that's what matters. Well we will, only this time, a lot of us will get it from our friends. I would preffer to buy it, with all the cool stuff, but the music will sound the same if I borrow the discs. Perhaps naively, but for over 40 years I have believed that we have a different deal, that our relationship is different than just a band and fans. Please reconsider. Spread the love to all. No one will mind, very many will rejoice. We all love you.
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these shows should be made available individually, straight up. As I have said, I'm used to paying about 20 per, so I wouldn't mind paying that for any of the 72 shows individually. But I draw the line when I'm expected to pay that price even when I'm buying 22 shows. That's like buying 20 bags and paying full price for each. I expect that from strangers, but not from a website I've been giving money to for years. Yeah, I bought the box set because I'm fortunate enough to have a little cash to work with lately, but it gave me a bad feeling. And now I don't know how to feel since i found out that other people have to pay the same for just the music. On the one hand I wouldn't want people to get a deal that wasn't available when I made my decision, but on the other I think 450$ for 22 shows is a straight up ripoff. The solution? Make these shows available individually for the people that don't have 450$ to throw around. PS thank you very much for putting out this music. It has caused me great joy for a long time.
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I’ve been following this thread from the beginning, and all I can say is wow! It’s been a good read so far. Dead.net should make a book out of it and include it in the various sets. It has everything anyone would want in an adventure story: excitement, suspense, mayhem, heartbreak and delight. It is also fraught with peril, kind gestures and dastardly deeds. OK, well maybe not too much peril but… Thanks to all the folks involved in getting this music to us. Thanks to Marye (and others here) for being the voice(s) of reason. Marye, try not to pull out too much hair ;-) CosmicBadger, I’ll take you up on your challenge and head over to the Rex Foundation site and make a donation today. Peace to all
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For the record, posts with hideously misspelled words are difficult to take seriously. Using the wrong form of their/there/they're and your/you're counts as hideous. gouger and spookytooth or whatever your names are, the back and forth is amusing and all, but who cares. People do what they want, and as long as they're not hurting anyone I can't be bothered to even notice.
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yeah, I have the same problem. She was less than impressed with my reasoning: "1972! European tour! Do you know what this MEANS?!?!"
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I don't think the quick sell out of the box is a result of Rhino/Dead.net under estimating sales as much as people reserving copies they had no or little intention of buying the box. They now use their reservation as their own personal property. It is there for them to be used bartered or given to whoever them deem worthy. The box was suppose to be a bonus. If some idiot wants to pay an extra 500 to 1000 dollars for it that is on them. The most important thing is for anyone who wants the music has acess to it. It took me several day to decide if I really wanted the box, was willing to pay 450 dollars for it, and could get it by my wife. I only reserved one when I was committed to buy. I'm on a waiting list and all I care about is getting the music. If I get the box or just the music so be it. Many of the posts are from typical ugly Americans. They feel ENTITLED to whatever they desire. I can't understand if someone wants this why the book or box is a deal breaker.
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"I don't have the $450 to spare... All the more reason to rip and burn it for free within days of its release." Somebody please convince me I'm misunderstanding this apparent suggestion that theft is the answer. Meanwhile... --daemian--, don't fret about people getting screwed buying all 22 shows separately: It Aint Gonna Happen! The Powers That Be are most assuredly not going to keep all 22 shows on the shelf indefinitely. It'll never happen. Because it is a commercial decision (yes, jaxxtraw). 22 additional shows on the shelf is a money loser for Rhino/GDM and they aren't going to do it. Maybe a few, maybe the runout of the music-only sets, but an official release of each the individual shows? No Way. Mark my words.
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"I don't have the $450 to spare... All the more reason to rip and burn it for free within days of its release." This might very well be the same mindset that the gatecrashers had at Highgate in '95.
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Thank you soo much. I really appreciate everything you all do. I can't wait until September. Mean while I have a wealth of music this organization has pumped out in the past 46 years to hold me over. Not only do I have what is on my shelves, but the huge amount of stuff that I can stream off of the dead.net site (Taper Section and Jam of the Week). What other band has been so generous with their music? Thanks again, please keep up the grate work!! "if you get confused, just listen to the music play"
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I like your positive outlook. Driving to work this morning I was listening to Hundred Year Hall. I was thinking about another person's post about how much free music is out there. This band has let us listen, tape, download their music for FREE for so long. I am very lucky to have been given a code by someone. Although $450 isn't cheap, I think about the hundreds of shows I have that cost me only the price of the discs they are recorded on. Wow. I feel like a jack-ass for ever thinking a bad thought and feeling left out on this....... I know of no other band in history that has been so generous with it's music. Back in 1970 (I think) Jerry wanted to make a free album! The record companies shit their drawers. But yet the band continued to allow fans to record shows, and spread them throughout their friends. Thank you Grateful Dead for making so many people happy.........
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Although my wife is the sweetest girl I know, she is always on my ass about the volume of my music, especially when the dead is on and I'm dancing to '71 Hard to Handle, even with head phones. But I will have my day. I've got a little one on the way, and the scheme is to turn her into a little dead head. And we can rock out to Pigpen until my wife pulls the plug at midnight, 1968 style.