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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Don't let this board tailspin again

    I bailed for quite a while because of the trivialness. In fairness, I contributed.

    You are squabbling over a small handful of the greatest bands to ever walk the planet. The three in question are in my top five. I happen to include Traffic, but nobody ever cares. All are good in their own way. But, none of us would be here without the GD. I doubt the ABB or Band boards are this active.

    For what it is worth, not right or wrong, I defer to folks who saw them live in the early years. In small venues. At their best.

    But it still won't change my opinion.

    Yeah, the Blues gotta pull this out. They let game 1 slip. To be honest, I am surprised they are tied.

  • bigbrownie
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    Allmans

    First "rock" concert : Allman Bros. at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City, sometime around June 1974. Anybody there?
    Dad drove us 9th graders. no weed no nuthin'. A good time was had by all, dad copped himself a couple beers, and we all made it home safely by 4AM. Dead and Co. coming up: Anyone going to the Hollywood Bowl? I'll be the guy with the tie dye and the white gotee...you can't miss me!!!!

  • Vguy72
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    Saying stupid shit....

    ....maybe Butch was drunk. I know me, and drunk me says/texts some stupid shit that makes next day sober me do a good ole fashioned facepalm.
    St. Louis has, HAS to beat Beantown tonight otherwise it's all uphill from here....
    ABB isn't even in my top 20 bands. And I only have one beer under my belt, so it's legit. Only saw them once. Rusted Root opened. Thought they were better.....don't throw stuff at me.
    The thread took a downward turn Oro, because Butch pretty much said Bill the Drummer and Mickey suck. And the heads responded. Oh well. Second beer cracked. I better stfu. Anyone got a grilled cheese sandwich? Two bucks.
    ....edit. I've read a few band biographies, and there's usually a douchebag that screws it all up. I've never read anything of a Grateful Dead member being one. (maybe Phil after the fact. Maybe). Put that in your pipe and smoke the fuck out of it.
    "Screaming and yelling he was licking his chops."

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    Nice post. I’m not sure how the thread took the downward turn it did? Those three bands were my favorites also, and probably still are...I just always felt like the ABB didn’t need? no that’s not it?...it just sometimes seemed like their drummers played the exact same thing a lot, where B&M not so much? Anyway, just thought Butchs dig was ironic imho.
    Never heard much negative from the Dead about the ABB, but unfortunately over the years can’t say the same about the Brothers. But hey, we all say stupid shit, and as I’ve said before, I try to like my musicians, atheletes, politicians, hell anyone who’s supposed to be professional, I try to like them for what they do more than who they are. Only cause that’s they way I want people to treat me at work.
    Did not mean to, hopefully didn’t, diss the band at all. Like everyone else some years/bands were better than others, GD included.
    Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see the ABB until the late seventies or early eighties. But it was the Warren/Woody years that first blew me away the most.(obviously not including the original line up albums ).
    Man the Dead, The Brothers, and Santana were all having great resurgences during that late 80s, early 90s. Even saw the Brothers and Santana at Woodstock 94. The Band I first saw in the early 80s at the old Buffalo Train station, and yea no Robbie, but we didnt care. Saw them 84 in Rochester at the Summer party tent and it was one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to!!
    Actually was fortunate to do Merch with them for some of the 90s shows, and ended up going to Chicago 95 at the last minute because of our Band connections/lamies etc. That’s what got us in, backstage, and we got to hang on the stage during the bands set. Everyone from the Dead except Jerry was up onstage watching them. Bob was standing right behind us. But of course, as soon as the Band was done they shagged our asses right off! Worked a couple tours with them in 96. They were all awesome, but from the very first time I met Rick Danko, man what a nice soul. Would always come over and say hi, sometimes right out to the booth, he'd walk over and shake your hand and say how great it was that you were there, just so nice.
    If all you had on a desert island was some stuff from those three bands, I think you’d be 👍

    I can’t imagine seeing the Glen show! I mean I’m sure the nasty conditions were ruff, but back when I was young, if I could have seen those three at once like that, phew!

  • MarinSmith
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    ABB Fox Box warning

    Personally, I love the ABB - but the ABB Fox Box recorded in Atlanta at the Fox Theatre, 9/24-26/2004 has the audience singing along with every classic song....ugh. Did this go down at later GD shows? Might as well breakout a Kumbaya encore! Then again, maybe I'm just an old grouchy bastard

    All these years later and Bill Graham is still right - the GD were the only ones that did what they did. I think the ABB was close as anyone got. Maybe I've missed some one. I think most bands saw themselves as putting on a show and did the same show every night....charge on stage to great applause, hit all the notes, you know. It can be a great show, but you don't need to see it more than once. That's my 2 cents for today

  • stoltzfus
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    hey

    anniversary of

    5/29/71

    really good show

  • stoltzfus
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    I remember my sister got to go the ABB in Madison WI back in 79

    I was jealous.

    ABB in 91 at the Gorge was great
    also the ABB opened for The Dead in 09 at the Gorge
    and attended ABB in Woodinville WA in ??

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    "rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make you strut"

    thank you Lemmy

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    hendrixfreak is an ABB freak, just sayin'!

    Sorry to hear the ABB bashing or, at least, the ennui. But to each his or her own.

    I heard them live in June '71 over the radio during the closing of the Fillmore East, then got the FE double album. By 1972, my triumvirate were the GD, ABB and The Band. I find it interesting that that's still the case, 47 years later. I should add that I consider Jimi in a category by himself. And I'm a huge fan of the Three Kings (Albert, BB and Freddie) and their cousin, Buddy Guy. I won't type a complete list, but I'm also a major Roy Buchanan fan. But among rock bands, I had only three top choices, and lived in a time when I saw a shitload of all of them in their heyday or nearly so.

    I caught ABB with the GD several times 6/9, 7/27, 7/28/73 and at Madison Square Garden in May '73, then again with the Derek/Warren lineup, ~1999-2009 (all at Red Rocks, almost always first 3 rows, center). A truly magnificent band of improvisers; the GD had nothing on them. Just two different flavors. Yes, the GD took more chances. But if you listen to the Duane era (two Jan '71 sets forthcoming this year, woo-hoo!), he pushed that band until it at times sound like Cream. I'm thinking of the official bootlegs series shows from '70 and '71.

    Consider how psyched me and my buddies were when we heard of the Watkins Glen lineup! I'd already seen the GD 9-19-72 and 6-9-73 and the ABB in May '73. Our three best bands on the same stage! And a chance, finally, to see The Band. Great two days of music. (Plus mud, mescaline and blotter. No food to speak of.)

    Then, incredibly, two days later, we caught the GD and The Band two nights at Roosevelt Stadium. (I caught The Band again on its final tour in '76, when they rocked the New York Palladium so hard that the balcony was in physical flux. I wondered at that time whether it had been designed for so much stress, but I didn't move from my standing position at my seat.)

    All before turning 16. I caught the GD again that September '73. As a freshly minted 16 yr old, I already considered myself a GD veteran.

    I guess the ABB and The Band are nearly as burned into my DNA as the GD.

    Anyhow, like someone said, Butch said some nasty things. But forgiveness and understanding wipe away any ill will for me. I too have lamented that Mickey moved from really sensitive synchro'd drumming and percussion in his heyday to the "sneakers in a dryer" approach post-hiatus, which clodded up the sound, though I still enjoyed every Red Rocks show they ever played, plus Folsom Field, Telluride, etc. etc.

    So I'm just raising the ABB flag over my pointy little head. If they're not your thang, so be it. But I've never seen a band quite like them and never will again. RIP Duane, Berry, Gregg, Butch.

  • JimInMD
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    Huhhumm.. (cough cough)

    What are you guys smoking? 6/9&10/73? I have almost given up hope.. but with all this talk of the Brothers, that would be something.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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The next box set will be announced next Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at approximately 1:00PM EST. The box set will contain the 6 shows played at The Capitol Theater in February 1971 or maybe every show played at The Capitol Theater.

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....if true. Three From The Vault is already an official release of one of that run, so I'm skeptical.

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How about a box that's got all the different piano & keys players representing all the band configurations through the years?
Pig, TC, Keith, Brent, Vinnie & Bruce.
That would be something...

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Would love that! So many debuts, the ESP experiment and the Dark Star> Wharf Rat (debut)> Beautiful Jam> Dark Star would be on the 3 cd compilation for sure. Amazing that they only ever did Wharf Rat in the middle of Dark Star once. One of my bands does Wharf Rat quite a bit, and it's hard to avoid doing Dark Star teases in it. I've even labeled some of them Wharf Star jams as we'll go back and forth. We also like to throw The Other One jams into Wharf Rat at the bridge when it crashes into E, or other songs in E scales, like Phish's Carini, but I digress... I'm not expecting the Capitol Box this time around, but they have to at some point since the Bettys came back, and they were among the most sought after. If they indeed do announce it, I'll definitely be on board. It would be odd to release the already released show as part of it. If they did, I would hope it would sort of be a buy 6 get one free type deal to keep it the same price range as the PacNW box, which was $50 more than July '78's 5 shows.

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....and I'm sticking to it. Dude was the showman of showmen. I have a couple of aunts that approve. And one uncle. Eating flaming hot Cheetos as I type this....phone getting orange. Gonna go there.... Liberace was gay. Flaming is a term for gay. 🤔 that one out.

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Really, where to start....

That’s why we need more than one per year.

Mini-Boxes: Pigpen/TC, Keith, Brent, Vince/Bruce.

That way people can choose their era, and for those whose era spans 65-95, they really score.

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Moved to the second hockey game (muted), now spinning 5-19-74 vinyl.

Vinyl sounds awesome with the volume turned up.
Starting to think that the return of vinyl in 180g form was a good idea by those people who keep coming up with ways to get me to send them money.

Little known fact.. In his later years, he covered a mean version of Day Job.

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"Are anyone of you Homosexuals......Like Flaming......No but we are willing to try"

Sorry VGUY I couldn't resist everytime I here that word I think of this very famous 1981 (big Hint) Movie

Any takers

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Ding Ding Ding you are correct sir.....Give that man a Cigar ( Quote from another classic 1982 movie) Did not mean that it just came out..

KeithFan after I wrote that I saw your Stripes quote....."A foot without a big toe" LOL....

I wanna party with you Cowboy.....

....John Candy. "is there a good movie on this flight?" Yessir. Early 80's is my wheelhouse.

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Don't call me Francis. And don't none of you homos touch my stuff. Or I will kill ya.

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.... savoring the '67 Boxilla gig. I love Alligator. This take pulls Jerry and Phil into the ether. Don't look at me! It's not my fault....

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The title to Bolo's post is reminiscent of some of the opening lines of the song In the Beginning by the Moody Blues from their 1969 album Threshold of a Dream. Another clue for a 1969 show, or was he just paraphrasing Descartes?

Fugazi always meant fake when I heard it used and that seems consistent with the context in which Bolo used the word.

Bolo's reference to the captcha thingy showing stages of his life - does this mean shows spread over different years or decades, or is it just a fugazi clue?

Chrono-synclastic infundibulum? Gotta say never heard of this before and had to look it up to see what it meant. As I understand it now a person who has entered a chrono-synclastic infundibulum exists at multiple points and lines in space time. I like ShaggyFraggle's thoughts on this and his pointing out that it is from a Kurt Vonnegut's book Sirens of Titan. So are we getting shows from different points in space and time throughout the dead's career? Or did Bolo just want use the phrase chrono-synclastic infundibulum in a post?

So many questions...

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We will be getting a box announcement soon.. It's not going to be 73/74, thinking earlier. Ark or the Capitol?

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McArthur Court, August 16, 1981, Eugene Oregon, Grateful Dead with Ken Kesey, Zane Kesey, Ken Babbs and the Thunder Machine.
Hmmm...
Looks like Kesey and his Thunder Machine also made an appearance at some other shows as well, including maybe 6/25/78 Eugene, Oregon, 5/8/84 Silva Hall, Eugene, Oregon and 6/23/90 Eugene, Oregon. I think I see a pattern here.
Making me think maybe it will be a series of shows from Eugene, Oregon with appearances by the Thunder Machine.

....'cause, you know, that's how it works.
8.16.81 is fine. Gotta give kudos to a Stranger 2nd set opener. Right?
edit.... Scarlet is fast. Fasten your seatbelts.

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After checking to see at which shows Kesey's Thunder Machine made an appearance, and all of the ones that I was able to find looked pretty hot based on the comments that I found with the shows. Looks like the Thunder Machine also made an appearance at the closing of Winterland show on 12/31/78, but that has already been released. If that is what the box will be, a series of shows with the Thunder Machine, I'll be a happy camper, and if not I am guessing whatever it is will make me smile.

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...a grateful morning to all my brothers and sisters in Dead Land...drinking my coffee with the Grateful Dead Road Trips Vol. 4 Number 1
“Big Rock Pow Wow” May 23rd-24th 1969!!! Playing in the background while I prepare myself for another day of love, laughter and joy! Everyone enjoy your parcels today of Daves Picks #30 / Plus this years Bonus Disc!
Sit back and get transported to a time long long ago in a galaxy far far away thru the space continueum transporter... peace be with all. Smile Smile Smile my friends, guaranteed to make you feel better than good; great! Lol ha ha . Take care and Rock On! 🙏❤️😎

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weekend plans confirmed. Although I will have to mix it up with some of the New Orleans Jazz Festival broadcasts on WWOZ.

I gotta say the Bolo clue sleuthing seems really on point. If the box doesn't turn out to be a collection of shows from different eras; then he has to admit he's just f*ing with us :)

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"My trip back here to this site has been long and strange. Hmmm...that sounds oddly familiar. I was trapped in a chrono-synclastic infundibulum a couple parsecs from Earth for what seemed like a decade, and only made it back here by the grace of God and my life-sustaining supply of flamin' hot Cheetos®".

I'm going with a box of Greek shows. One from each run of shows for the entire 1980's decade.

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Yo!! Rockers!!!!

It has been a year since I had my stroke. To all those who sent thoughts & prayers, good kharma, and general encouragement, I am eternally grateful. I am feeling fine, doing well, life is good!!!

In honor of this auspicious occasion, anybody who needs/wants any 71s, you know where to find me...………

Rock on!!!!!

Doc

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if there are Greek shows on the way...

:)))

to buy, or not to buy? that is the question.

got a "few" discs here at home, plus a change of abode coming up, plus other expenses.

just gotta wait and see. "now let's go wait and see, wait and see, wait and see....."

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claim to fame: Chewbacca actor.

RRRRRRRRR!!!!

it was funny at the time: my kids (as teens) and I used to joke that Wookies sound like they do because they are wasted drunk.

Chewie forever; thank you PM.

What did you think of DaP 26? I'm sure you had 12/14/71, but nobody had the SBD of 11/17/71 and just curious, in your 71 expertise, where did that improved sound land that one in your books? Glad to hear you're well!

May everybody get their 1970 fix today!

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*Bonus Disc: January 3rd 1970
Cold Rain and Snow, Alligator >, Drums >, Alligator >, Feedback, Casey Jones, Mason's Children, That's It For The Other One >, Cosmic Charlie, Uncle John's Band.

...I might of wrote it down wrong, I’ll check when I get back home. Driving home from the doctors. 🙏

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Well, my guess was off, surprised the UJB> Black Peter segue is cut (Dave seems to love Black Peter) and at the cut of Cumberland and especially Dire Wolf given the cover art, but no complaints. Didn't realize CR&S was public domain, but I love any disc that opens with that.

2 weeks ago I predicted:
Only clue given was Alligator, and they very wisely used the key covers as filler on disc 2, and the rule about originals or public domain leads me to think the bonus disc will look thus:
Cumberland Blues, Alligator> Drums> Alligator> (Caution Jam tracked?) Feedback, Mason's Children, That's It For The Other One> Cosmic Charlie, Uncle John's Band> Black Peter, Dire Wolf

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#952 has landed in N.Y.C. via UPS just one minute ago! Wow! Usually we are late in receiving a Dave's compared to the rest of the country but not this time. What a complete surprise. Having said, and to our European friends, my heart goes out to you for those long waits and #$%^& damned tax/postal fee collectors who 'Shake You Down' for extra money to get a cd in the mail. I got lucky this time.

It looks beautiful on an unseasonably cold May 3rd. Smiling on a Cloudy Day!?!

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Two things here:
1 - The confirmed ship date for DaP30 was April 26th. Now we hear that Dead.net / Rhino is moving to a different warehouse and shipments will be delayed!! Why was this move not done on Feb. 2, right after DaP29 went out? C'mon Doc! We are dying out here! 3 months was bad enough. This is just insult to injury!
2 - Most of us call for "complete" shows. While DaP30 may include the complete show from Jan. 2, looking at my Deadbase it appears that this release has completely reconfigured the set list of the show and they have changed the flow. Not cool. It may be complete, but it is not the way the boys offered it up that night.

Rock on

It’s friday, the snows gone for now, it’s a bright sunny Friday in the high country, new Dead showing up everywhere, Bolos got this place jumpin’ , new box on the horizon, and if that ain’t Enough,, WELCOME BACK DOC!

Edit: oh yea, and the AVs came to play last night too!

Doesn't look like I'm getting it until next week which is fine since I do a lot of quality listening driving to/from work...

Doc - very happy to see you here. Every time I think of April 71, I think of all the great shows you have sent my way over the years. Glad you are well!

and of course, keeping with tradition, now that the release is starting to hit everyone's mailbox it's time to guess the next one. I say Dec 79!

They have done this before.. I think someone, perhaps KeithFan?? has a handle on re-ordering them using some software package.

Agree it's not ideal, but first world problems. I am more interested in getting the music. Got my shipping order last night, the arrival date is not yet in the system. 1970, what a pivotal year.. Bring it! I think one day we will get 9/19 and 9/20.

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Grate to hear from you Doc and glad to hear you are doing well. I will have to scan the 71 catalogue for gaps...are there any recent upgrades from 71 that you are aware of?

Bolo...glad to see you are back from your interstellar galactic travels and as cryptic as ever. Maybe you could at least tell us where to find one of those chrono synclastic infundibulum things you’ve been riding around in/on. I spent the whole morning searching Amazon, eBay and Craigslist...cant even find a used one...WTF?!?!

Anyways, finally got my shipping notice today and was saddened to learn that without the infundibulum thing, I will probably have to wait until tomorrow for my subscription copy of Daves 30...I have stalled out on Europe 72 for now. Stuck back on 04/26...but I did give a listen last night to 04/27/85 that Sixtus called out the other day...fun show with lots of 80s energy, and a cool setlist. Also busted out 05/05/77 New Haven...love the Sugaree in this one, but the highlight for me is Peggy-O...Phil’s base seems to be especially Grate in this one as well.

Peace all...please play it loud today...maybe I’ll catch a tune!

KCJ

Edit: Bonus Disc problems. I was hoping for the Morning Dew, but not surprised. Am surprised about possible reordering?....seems odd
Double edit: never mind on the Dew...found it...track listing on my phone has it in the same line as The Monkey and the Engineer so I missed it...:

Daves 31 guess: would love some 79...think it’s been a while? would also like to see some 82 or 85. Also think we are due for something from the 90s.

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As we wait for these Fillmore shows...

The 30 trips 1986 show is from this date at the Cal Expo center. I love the eclectic set-list on this one.

And check out 5-3-87 at the Frost: https://archive.org/details/gd87-05-03.sbd.hinko.18848.sbeok.shnf/gd198…

The soundboard is really clear and there are a couple cool moments in the first set. Brent preforms a rousing version of Little Bunny Foo Foo as Bob is plagued by technical issues. looking forward to jamming the second set at work and hoping Dave's 30 hits the mailbox this weekend.

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Blimely that was quick!

I have received mine in the UK today. It usually takes at least a couple of weeks to arrive here.

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Thats how a DaP30 got to the UK so fast.

My shipping notice didn’t have a tracking number, but UPS sent me an email saying that I have a package coming tomorrow.

Song reordering?
Same thing a year ago. Took me quite a while to undo the damage. It’s not as simple as reordering the songs on the computer because, at least on last year’s release, tuning for the next song was appended to the end of the previous track, and so has to be edited. Very annoying.
Hope they didn’t screw that up again this year.

What’s up Doc?
Glad you’re doing well.

Great news for you that you got the latest installment in the Dave's series so quickly. I would have to agree with the "leave the setlist flow as originally played alone" criticism. That is as they say: A No Brainer.

Stoltzy - I'm here with you my man. Pouring one out for Ole' Chewbacca - RIP Peter Mayhew.

Heya Doc. Glad to see you are good.

I am happy with the Bonus disc, but I am feeling VGuy's displeasure for No Cumberland....pouring one out for you too, homey.

Sixtus

I hear you icecreamkid on the DaP 26 bonus reordering, I normally would have edited out all the tuning and teases, but just stuck ordering it correctly and trying to ignore when that Tennessee Jed tease goes somewhere else (I think that was the most prominent one) but I honestly don't listen to the 12/14 part of that Pick as much. Not because of that, but because the 11/17 portion is sooooooo much better to me, and the setlists are so very similar, so I can't get myself to listen to those back to back again like I did when it first arrived, and I usually listen to 11/17 then move on to another era. Since I mainly listen on a USB drive in the car, I'll reorder 1/2 and 1/3 accordingly, but I may take the time to do those edits this time around, because I think this one will get more consistent play of both shows. Or all 4 shows, however you wanna look at it.

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