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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Thin
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    you wrote: "I just can't get behind what seems like renting access to music or movies when I can own them outright on a disc."

    Charlie, this is the hurdle that everybody has to get over in a technology shift. The mentality has always been about ownership.

    But gradually, people are going to streaming. Why? Let's say you spend $200 on a few CD's and special releases annually. But then you realize a service (Apple Music or whatever) costs $10 a month ($120/yr = 80 savings) for ALL of them PLUS ALMOST ALL THE OTHER MUSIC IN THE WORLD. You'll go broke trying to buy everything you want "a la carte". The streaming model is coming together folks, and it makes sense. Stay tuned.

    Buying DVD's and Blue Ray right now is like buying 8 track tapes in 1979. I did it! And 2 years later I felt like an idiot. And sure they work great if you' stay in 1979 forever. But then suddenly it's 1983 and YOU'RE the guy/gal still proudly "collecting" 8-track tapes while everyone goes to CD! Don't be that guy.

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    Good Evening Rockers!

    I've been keeping up with the E72 shows, so that's a good sign, but to be honest, it's always the May Dave's Picks that derails me.

    There's a huge gap between the 4/17 Tivoli show and the Rockin' The Rhein show of 4/24, so I've been wearing the shit out RTR. The Dark Star => Wharf Rat => Sugar Magnolia is really just something else altogether. I keep playing it over and over, trying to figure out the Dark Star. This medley is one of my favorite extended Dead pieces of all time.

    I think tomorrow I'll move on to Hundred Year Hall.

    Now it's time to switch over from E72 to something else. I'm avoiding 1970 for now, to keep that period pristine for "the arrival". Maybe I'll go with that great Playing In The Band from DaP 18. Or the DaP 17 second set medley would be kind of tasty - there's a really good Eyes of the World => China Doll on that one. Not to mention the WRS => Jam. Or do I just Go To Nassau and rock out to that killer Jack Straw => Franklin's Tower opening combo......

    CD guy here. Think of how boring release day would be with nothing to open.

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    GRRRRRR. How do you sell out…

    GRRRRRR. How do you sell out a Dave's Picks before you even ship it? Go out on a limb and produce 30,000 instead of 20,000. if you don't order it the day it is released, you can't get it. I'm tool old to chase this shit. I'll just download a bootleg, although I'd rather buy it from you. Only, you won't allow that to happen. Wisen up guys.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    CDs, Video in the current era

    FTW and Dead & Co have made it possible for people who got into the music after Jerry died to experience the songs live.
    It’s not the same, but they never saw the real thing, and don’t have a standard to compare to. It’s still better than what else is on tour these days.
    This has brought in new recruits who also are buying releases (and scalpers too).
    Seems that CD sales, at least, will continue for a while.

    But I would still like some video too.

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    Whatever else is going on in the outside world, CDs are expanding in this niche market. Blu Ray disc sales might do ok here if the source quality were good, but as noted, all of the worthy candidates are available already. Sunshine Daydream, Movie Soundtrack, whatever else.

    CDs are on the rise here, and will at least plateau at 20K for awhile, if not rise some more next year. The completely unique selling opportunity of having so many otherwise unavailable shows in the Vault gives Rhino a marketing advantage to do the Limited Edition thing and collect $100 from almost 20K subscribers a year. It will take many more years for that number to go back down to 12,000, where it started. If 12,000 was good in 2012 then it will still be good 5 years from now, should the instant sellouts cease. It's the only place you can get it, and it's on CD in limited quantities. There would have to be a huge offer from some streaming company for Rhino to turn their back on this marketing schema. And I doubt that's going to happen, because the music still has to be engineered before it's ready for release.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    I’m not always in front of the TV while they are playing, but I can still hear them.
    Being able to see the TV from the kitchen is also key, you can listen while you cook and occasionally look at the TV.

    I watch less than 10 Hollywood movies per year, and rarely current releases.
    I try to watch Strange Brew and Big Lebowski at least once a year, both of which I have on DVD.

    But concert video, I watch that a lot.
    Just watched Hard Working Americans - First Waltz this weekend.

    I have Sunshine Daydream on DVD and Blu Ray, the BR has higher resolution audio, which is reason right there to put stuff out on BR.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Live streams - sometimes (if it’s free), I think that the only time I paid for a live stream was FTW 6-27-15 and it kept freezing/buffering.
    My BR/DVD player doesn’t freeze/buffer. I also don’t need an internet connection to watch discs.

    I did watch the two WSP free streams this weekend at Sweetwater 420 Fest. No freezing with that.

    I do watch YouTube concert videos on my TV (using the home theater for sound) to check out other bands besides GD. The recent discussions of Spirit sent me looking for video and the Rockpalast show was great. Then Daverock and Simonrob informed us that a bunch of Rockpalast shows were on DVD, which some people were happy to know about.

    As far as GD, yes I want video on physical media, just like the audio.

    Yes, a lot of people in the general population stream. In fact, several companies are betting big time on that being the future, as well as streaming audio.

    How many people on this site want future Dead releases to be stream only?

    Jim,
    The John Deere is looking good. You must have parked it indoors over the winter and then gave it a wash/wax.

  • stoltzfus
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    it's hard to find the TIME to sit down to enjoy a show on video, and with my two non-Deadhead loved ones at home...

    gimme CDs because I can take them in my car, to various places in the house, etc.

    I would love to revisit the DVD of Closing of Winterland, but I would need the house to myself for 6+ hours.

    Someday, my lads...someday.

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    I think I'm in the minority, but I have a really hard time watching the dead in concert on a tv screen. The Grateful Dead movie was really cool but I have a hard time lasting long with videos like Alpine or any of the Meet Up events. Couple songs at the most. I can't even do couch tour. Different strokes I guess...

    Thin and others are correct - most people aren't buying DVDs or CDs. People are streaming their shows and music, choosing to listen or watch what they want, when they want it. If Dave is talking about different formats, he almost certainly is referring to streaming, whether it be on your phone, computer or TV.

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    Nice little show from this day...

    https://archive.org/details/gd1986-04-22.sbd.miller.34767.flac16/gd86-0…

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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I forgot to mention that I use the ultra power saving mode on this site. I do this because I don't need color and it saves me battery time when I'm out. This may be the reason why it does not sign me out. It has to be something I'm doing because I never need to do all those pictures. Strange.

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6-18-74 in the car today.
As Jim pointed out, ‘chop job’.
Maybe time to revisit with a Plangentization of the whole show. Returned reels?

6-18-76 in the living room now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_Download_Series_Volume_4

https://youtu.be/6oh9pu4nsxk

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Box Set announcement withdrawal.......

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The system seems to be operating very slow.

Or maybe they are just trying to drive us away since there is not going to be a new Box announcement this year.

Or maybe Count Vlad is hacking the system in an attempt to get back the reels.

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Checked out that article on the SPAC shows VGuy posted, brought back a lot of good memories. I was giving the 6/27/85 Crazy Fingers another listen after almost 34 years and once it gets going that is some good stuff. Continuing with the Supplication and High Time. I would be all in for an official release of that '85 SPAC show. While listening to some of the '85 show I scanned the rest of the article - which brings me to the random weirdness.

Over the weekend I stepped out onto my patio and much to my surprise heard what sounded an awful lot like some dead coming from the direction of the neighbors house. I must have looked like the RCA dog to my wife and daughter, who gave me much grief and chuckled at my homing in on the sound of the dead. After listening for a minute, I could hear it was a live version of Row Jimmy followed by Victim or the Crime and then someone shut the car off and the music stopped. While reading the SPAC retrospective and scanning the set list for the '88 show, I noticed the show contains a Row Jimmy followed by Victim. Random weirdness.

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Ordered cd and lp copies of Warfield from amazon 2 months ago(+/-). Emails saying it's coming, then coming tomorrow, then today by 8, then sorry we ain't go no lp's and we'll let you know about the cd's!

Bastards!

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Hanging from the balcony wasn't really an option for me- there simply wasn't anywhere to stand or sit. You have to remember, this is the night they crammed 40K into a 25K venue....but honestly there was a part of me that wanted an exasperated Bobby to holler "don't hang from the balcony idiot".

I forgot about the Road Trips WoS anniversary. Those might be the best sounding shows from '74. The Wolf sounds extra crispy. Getting dialed in now.

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....I told keithfan "No! Thal shall not pass!" But he did. He said the gravity was fine. Who am I to argue? Until Phil and Bobby sent us to the corner with no pudding. Smokestack set us on the correct path though.

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Dennis, the CD is still available here at dead.net, not sure if you knew.

Jim, I will Be On the Look Out for the maroon BMW.

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.... pudding is the shit!
And the Holy Grail from you. "Green. No blue!"
Listening to SPAC '85 currently. Yeah....sounds....drippy.
My Warfield CD came all the way from Germany in between "in stock" and "out of stock" notices.
The next night is Blossom. One of the first tapes I got. Yum.
Dammit David Lemieux! Summer '85 would make for a great box.

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So have we reached a consensus on what's most likely for the next box set? Probably a '91 Hornsby-era box, right? It might make the most sense. There hasn't been a Hornsby box yet, and it would coincide nicely with the movie meet-up. The digital sound quality should be excellent and musically the Hornsby era is highly regarded. That would be fine with me, especially if we get some good jams, maybe a Bird Song or two? I'm not familiar enough with the era to guess which shows would be good candidates.
I did re-read bolo's clues. complete gibberish this time

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I am just about 100% sure that when the box is announced we will be discussing it on the DaP 31 thread. Since DaP31 is supposed to drop around August 2, seems like that announcement should come by mid-July, well before the next box set is announced at the MUATM.

...funny, I was JUST listening to that Crazy Fingers > Supplication myself last evening right before the boys went on at SPAC....that '85 show is a lot of fun, balcony idiots included.

Sixtus

P.S. any time a Lord of the Rings / Gandalf reference and pudding are made in the same sentence, this makes me happy

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...”I feel thin... stretched. Like butter scraped over too much bread”...🙏❤️💀

...today’s listening pleasure will begin with, ‘Daves Picks’ #5, UCLA performance. I wish I had the Bonus Disc, I’ve long gone sold that CD for some meds...still, this show is a “Killer”!!! One of my top Five Favorites performances released from the Daves Picks Series! (Vault/Audio Quality)...

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You'll be amazed my friends! Every Deadhead will be overjoyed by this box set! Lemieux and Norman have done such a great job with the selection and the quality this time that nobody is going to be disappointed who's a Dead fan! It won't be long now. Stay patient my friends. And the artwork is Primo.

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You wrote in your subject: "*Re/ First Boxset 2019".

Are you saying that there is a clue about what the box said is in your post where you go on to say:
"feel thin... stretched. Like butter scraped over too much bread”...🙏❤️💀

...today’s listening pleasure will begin with, ‘Daves Picks’ #5, UCLA performance. I wish I had the Bonus Disc, I’ve long gone sold that CD for some meds...still, this show is a “Killer”!!! One of my top Five Favorites performances released from the Daves Picks Series! (Vault/Audio Quality)..."

Obviously another Lord of the Rings quote, but is ot a clue or do you not really know the box set? Just curious

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I couldn't wait any longer and put together my own release. I uploaded Miller FLACs to my VOX player this morning.

6/25, 27, 28, 30 and 7/1 1985 - listening party in my truck!!

EDIT - I posted this and then scrolled down to read recent posts and see that these shows are already in the news around here - synchronicity?!!

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Thanks for the pointer to dead.net for the Warfield CD. I ordered one from the dead and cancelled the Amazon cd order. But I did find that although "amazon" was unable to provided the vinyl, one of their 3rd party vendors had it. (MovieMars). The lp's were 40 bucks.

I guess I'll find out if I'm really getting them soon enough :-)

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Okay MinasMorgul, have you seen the box? What else can you tell us?
When is the announcement coming?

Thank you!

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"the Minas touch"

do you reeeeeally know something we don't?

I agree we will like it, but I'm sure someone somewhere will complain about something.

I am getting a bit starved for GD. lots of unusual occurrences in my life right now, severely limiting my time to listen to the band beyond description.

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Plasmatics
"New Hope for the Wretched"

high energy fun, I tell ya

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Train wreck asked a question to my good friend LMG. I was being rambunchus and piggy backed off his question. Trying to get my good friend LMG to speak further to it since he does know. Nothing more.

Two years ago I would have concluded this post with something to the people who responded badly about my original post with something like 'but thanks for rushing to judgement ya dickheads'

But that's not me anymore. I told you. I tried changing to MinasIthil on dead net but it errors out when I go to login for the 1st time. Box set? I've seen way more than a box set. The box set seems momentous right now to everyone. but in the timeline of every person reading this it's about as important as catching your breath after getting the wind knocked out of you. That's a fact.

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MinasIthil, is that an image from "What About Bob?" as your avatar? For what it's worth, your initial post about the undoubtedly fantabulous upcoming box seemed like a fairly good natured jab at the sometimes intense speculation about what the next box will be, at least to me. I will admit, I am glad others were critical so that you could demonstrate your emotional maturity and restraint by not calling them dickheads;) That cracked me up.

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I think when tensions get high, ball busting is just a whole lot of fun. Some people are just to sensitive on here. Us guys have to bust balls when stupid things are said. It's in our nature. Peace!

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Gave discs 1 & 2 of this release another listen this afternoon after a little break from the dead over the last few days, and man is it hitting the spot. I liked it the first time that I listened to it, but disc 3 was so good it just overshadowed the rest of the release. Particularly digging the Pigpen stuff this time through.

Emotional maturity is something that I am sure I lack. I generally just stick to faking adulthood. I seem to recall a poem by Hartley Coleridge on the topic...

Long time a child, and still a child, when years
Had painted manhood on my cheek, was I, -
For yet I lived like one not born to die;
A thriftless prodigal of smiles and tears,
No hope I needed, and I knew no fears.
But sleep though sweet, is only sleep, and waking
I waked to sleep no more, at once o'ertaking
The vanguard of my age, with all arrears
Of duty on my back. Nor child, nor man,
Nor youth, nor sage, I find my head is grey,
For I have lost the race I never ran:
A rathe December blights my lagging May;
And still I am a child, tho' I be old,
Time is my debtor for my years untold.

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Prospect fell through, lil bummed. But not end of world. Thanks for the support all.

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So true. I threw up in my mouth a couple weeks ago when someone was griping about getting busted on for a comment they were most certainly asking for. If you're going to spew questionable nonsense and then play the dodge and obfuscate game when called upon, then someone's going to take notice and call BS. And if you don't like it, just say tough luck ya dickheads (Minas). Guys are guys and we bust stones from time to time.

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Sorry it didn’t work out, but maybe something better will happen in the long run.
“I don’t trust in nothin’, but I know it come out right”

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And how!!! P.S. this new box set seems to be on everyone's mind. I hope it's a short and sweet one. The small boxes seem more interesting to me and less chance of problems like the PNW box, like I've heard.

Ah yes...Shoreline 89, I believe that was the second year of Shoreline. Shoreline was fun, as long as we were in the 100's, which we usually were. We called it the house that Bill built.

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....we used to call it home away from home. The sun sets behind the crowd, so sunglasses by the bands playing there were a necessity, esp on Sunday early shows. God I miss Jerry.

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Maybe the humour, if such it was ,got lost in translation. It always seems better to me when someone is trying to laugh with someone, rather than at them. Maybe I've got it wrong...in which case apologies all round. But if be careful, because tomorrow the joke could be on...you.

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...good morning my fellow brothers & sisters, I was hoping to find everyone doing well when I logged in today?! And than bada bing bada boom, lol, I find everyone’s (not everyone, you guys know who you are,😉, and thank you all for the support, humility and kindness that I experience on a daily bases here with All you Grateful Dead Fans, friends & family!) in the usual state of ‘Up Coming BOXSET Freak Out Mode’! “Up and Coming Grateful Dead Material” OUTBREAK symptoms usually starts to occurs and escalate rapidly about a month before it’s presented itself through the regular stream of media outfits like our very own, ‘Dead.net’, ‘Rolling Stone’ or ‘JamBase’ ect...
Symthoms include(s) strange behavior, anxiety , depression, out bursts, normal behavior , comedic, rude & uncouth statements, and most importantly the lack of “Integrity”. That’s the key word here folks, integrity! Everyone I know from this message board has integrity!
* in·teg·ri·ty
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms: honesty, uprightness, probity, rectitude, honor, honorableness, upstandingness, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, nobility, high-mindedness, right-mindedness, noble-mindedness, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"
2.
the state of being whole and undivided.
"upholding territorial integrity and national sovereignty"
synonyms: unity, unification, wholeness, coherence, cohesion, undividedness, togetherness, solidarity, coalition
"internal racial unrest threatened the integrity of the federation".
A very strong word in my cosmic mind blown middle aged man addicted to the greatest band ever, the Grateful Dead. Lol ha ha ...everyone here should know me by now, “Make Love Not War”. LOL(avatar). “Can’t we all just get along”! 🙏❤️😉 please everyone, let’s move on and put these Out Burst, Hysterics and a “Miss Understood Post” from a friend of mine behind us. I know he meant no Ill or nevative feelings/vibes. 🙏 it’s just comes down to people’s own interpretations and their point of view...🙏❤️💀
* LOTR post was meant to follow the recent discussions & quotes being posted. A Clue?!
Now after all that is said and done, I think it is, yes, indeed,it is! 😉🤠
Have a grateful day everyone! I’ve been in bed recovering for the last week or more. One day at a time. In lots of pain recently. I’ll be better soon, I’m not a victim I’m a survivor !
Rock on my brothers and sisters, god bless and smile smile smile! Time is precious!...

.....makes me think of that old song that they used for the theme song for that show Weeds....
Speaking of boxes....

WADEOCU; your box sounds perfect!

Charlie; say it ain’t so.....but your probably right about finding out about Dave’s 31 first, but man I hope not..

LMG; “first box of 2019” so there’s more than one this year? Hmmmm? Well that would be something, but they better hurry up as some people are on a budget and stacking them up can’t be good for business, and the year is rapidly passing......so you’d think they’d want to space then accordingly etc.....

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...Disc Two, ‘ The Grateful Dead Movie’ -soundtrack ! ...
‘Scarlet Begonias’
‘He’s Gone’ >>
‘Jam’>>
‘Weirdness’>>
‘The Other One’>>
‘Spanish Jam’>>
‘Mind Left Body Jam’>>
‘The Other One>>
‘Stella Blue’
‘Casey Jones’
...Primo! There I said it, lol, ha ha , on my tube system set up play back control is amazing.
It sounds like the band is playing in my livin room! 🙏❤️💀

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Thought I'd listen to an anniversary show today at the office and came across this great '74 soundboard from Atlanta. Can't go wrong with Summer '74 and so far this one sounds great to my ear! Very relaxed but not boring. Keith and Bill are very prominent in the mix which is interesting and welcomed by me. The U.S. Blues opener and a Scarlet with great sounding Donna backing vocals are the highlights so far. Can't wait for that second set although seems like a short show for the era. Enjoy!

https://archive.org/details/gd74-06-20.sbd.clugston.2179.sbeok.shnf/gd7…

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Double I hear you. On Shoreline and especially Jerry and really especially Jerry at Shoreline

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...can be a fine line sometimes. To my sensibilities nothing posted lately seems to have been on the bullying side of the coin, but seems more along the lines of joking with friends and acquaintances. Daverock, hopefully I did not cause or contribute to any bad feelings.

Oroborous, Weeds was a great show for the first few seasons, then it kind of switched up the premise and I lost interest. But the Andy and Doug (Kevin Nealon) stuff in the first 3 seasons or so was the highlight for me, some of their exchanges were priceless. As far as the order of the announcement of DaP 31 and the next box, I'm pretty sure the planned announcement of the box is August 1 at MUATM although it seems like maybe last year it leaked before the official announcement. DaP 31 is set for release on or about August 2, so that announcement will have to come at least a couple of weeks early so there is time for folks to purchase the 3 available for purchase al a carte. Whatever the order, it ought to be a couple of announcements coming between mid-July and August. And no, the comment about there being 3 available for purchase al a carte is not a prediction or inside knowledge, just a sarcastic reference to the undoubtedly low number actually available.

I remark to my better half Ingrid, often in moments of off-guard wonderment, how I can't actually believe we've finally achieved what occurred in 'Weeds', in real life. What seemed like, literally, a total impossibility but with 'man-wouldn't-that-be-fucking-awesome-if-it-were-real' as the running mantra...BOOM! Here we are. Weed is legal. At least in my state, and several others. It's only a matter of time.

This was all a dream we dreamed, one afternoon long ago

Sixtus

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Yea, after over forty years of being a “criminal”! It’s still hard to fathom....unfortunately, I’m still paranoid lol, old habits die hard! I predict trump will try to use national legalization to put him over the top come election time....
a) it’ll help him with the youth vote, and
b) all the one percenters are seeing how much money there is to be made and are bummed their missing out!
And like it or not that’s who he needs to please.....
In Colorado all the top players are all wealthy business types.......they may have the kind of folks people would expect to be running the day to day stuff, but the top dogs are the last folks on earth you’d expect to be into weed!

If only el Andy was in charge 😉

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ooohhhhhhh....how I want to say something.....

but it would a political rant

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