Dave's Picks Volume 30: Fillmore East, New York, New York 1/2/70

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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April 22, 2019 - 3:08pm

#2381

Charlie3

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Last 5 and Stuff

Took a little dead break over the weekend.
Bob Marley - Exodus, definitely a classic album, spun me off on a recollection of a previous listen in days gone by with a now dead friend.
Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual, sometimes it just fits a mood.
JGB - Eel River 6/10/89, currently my favorite show from the Eel River box.
Sly & the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On, been too long since I listened to this one, good stuff from start to finish.
Peter Tosh - Bush Doctor, great album, and something cool about hearing the Mick Jagger vocals on (You Gotta Walk) Don't Look Back.
Currently started spinning the 5/9/77 Buffalo show from the GSTL box, probably the show I have listened to the most from that box. Sounds great so far.

Interesting post by Thin, really a bummer to see the decline of the disc and the rise of streaming. I just can't get behind what seems like renting access to music or movies when I can own them outright on a disc. There is also the issue of data as I am in a location where my internet access is satellite only, with enough data each month to last me about two weeks without any streaming. No cable, as I long ago lost all interest in a monthly bill to watch television. I get a bunch of free channels over the air in high-def that provide me with an abundance of opportunities to waste time on TV, and anything that I really want to see from a pay service I can usually still find on disc. Also, hard for me to get behind hooking up a TV to the internet, seems a lot like the watchful video screens from Orwell's 1984 now that there are camera's and microphones in many smart TV's. The smart devices often just seem like an invitation for a giant corporation to spy on your day to day existence to better understand your interests and how to better market more products to you. So yeah, the demise of the disc is a bummer for me.
April 22, 2019 - 2:35pm

#2382

Gratefulhan

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DaP 30/next box/E72,Spring 77

Hi All,
I haven't commented in a while but I have been following along since the DaP 29 forum discussion. So first order of business is that I cant wait until DaP 30 arrives. I have never heard these shows so this is adding to my excitement. I think the bonus disc will give us just about everything from 1/3 that is not on the other 3 CDs. Dave has become very savvy about fitting as much as he can on the main release and on the bonus discs with copyright & royalties accounted for too. These DaP's with the bonus discs have really become like mini box sets.

Second I am always happy with just about every release, box sets too. I am hoping that this years box set is from 69, or in keeping with anniversaries in decades, maybe some select shows from 79. I know this often comes up from many of us but I really would like get some new releases from Brent's rookie year. I feel that he inspired the band and the playing reflected that. Now I wouldn't complain about a Warfield box, but to me there are other 80s shows I wouldnt mind having out first. Maybe they save the Warfield box for next year - 40 year anniversary? In the end it doesn't matter as it's all good.

Finally I have been neglecting E72 and Spring 77 shows during this anniversary time. I recently acquired the Spring 1990 TOO box and I have been giving those shows a good run. What a fantastic box set. Plus I have to admit I have revisited the PNW box as well. I suffered from the defective disc pandemic so that stunted my listening to those shows when it first came out.
April 22, 2019 - 2:27pm

#2383

daverock

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blu ray/dvd

While it seems believable that most 20 year olds don't own dvd/blu ray players, it also seem unlikely that Dead are trying to sell products to people of that age group anyway. 20 years olds weren't even born when the band were functioning, so trying to aim for that market may well be futile.

No, I would think, and I haven't seen a survey on the subject, that most of the people who buy music by The Dead are over 40. And people of that generation are more likely to favour older technology.

Having said that, I don't watch Dead dvds, or any other dvds of live concerts for that matter, with the same regularity that I play records or cds.
April 22, 2019 - 2:04pm

#2384

JimInMD

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Reissue

They did reissue Winterland 74 in BluRay.. I have both. Had to get the BluRay.

I get the feeling there just isn't as much enthusiasm for GD DVD's/BluRay's in general. There must not be as much money in them. Still, I would like to see more.

I fired up the John Deere.. Took some time to get it started, been a while.
April 22, 2019 - 1:33pm

#2385

icecrmcnkd

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Groundhog Day, rehashing old releases

Aoxomoxoa,
Pre-order the re-release now.......
April 22, 2019 - 1:21pm

#2386

Thin

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DVD/Blue Ray is Dead

Folks, PLEASE stop the madness of asking for Blue Ray video reissues! They ain't gonna waste time, effort and resources reissuing existing videos into Blue Ray. It's not 2005 anymore. DVD/BlueRay players are in only 67% of homes, down from 73% IN JUST ONE YEAR (that's a MASSIVE hockey-stick statistical drop). Most 20-year olds don't buy 'em - hell, they don't even want cable much less clunky players and discs that scratch. (https://media.thinknum.com/articles/dvd-blu-ray-sales-tanking-as-stream…), and taking a blurry/grainy image from 40 years ago and hoping a 2nd round of digitization makes any noticeable difference form the first round is a fool's errand. It wouldn't sell.

The Dead are interested in exciting new projects, not rehashing mediocre releases with video that will be twice as disappointing as the original grainy releases 20 years ago (since people weren't used to HDTV yet - we were still staring at clunky tube TV's).

This is why I don't comment much anymore. I feel like I've said everything once already (twice, actually) - feels like Groundhog Day.
April 22, 2019 - 7:52am

#2387

DeadVikes

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Videos/ Box

Hard to know for sure what Dave was referring to with other formats, but I too would love the idea of more DVD or Blu-ray.
Good to see JiminMD back in the mix. Their last full show release on DVD was CW&I and to my eyes was the best to date. Looked better than the View from the Vault releases of the early 2000s. I still get chills when I see the Box of Rain and they sing the chorus. Reminds me of the Box they played at Alpine shortly after that. Was a dream of mine at the time to hear that one live.
And for this year's box, I am starting to believe what others have mentioned that their has been a correlation with the RSD release and the box set. If this is the case bring on the Warfield Box, can't wait!
April 22, 2019 - 7:39am

#2388

icecrmcnkd

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45th anniversary of Winterland 10/74

I’ll take those on Blu-ray instead of Alpine 89.
April 22, 2019 - 7:36am

#2389

icecrmcnkd

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Jim, your mission, if you choose to accept it

Use the John Deere to deliver high quality film to 89/90 Dead tour.
April 22, 2019 - 7:01am

#2390

JimInMD

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Hi-Def Release of Apline, etc.

I think the problem with all those 89/90 videos is how they were recorded. They were recorded by Len Dell'Amico on 4" magnetic video tape. Essentially high quality VHS tape. It was popular in the 80's, you can notice the same grainy look on all those low budget sitcoms that are in syndication, they look dated and grainy but nobody cares much because, well, we are talking about low budget 80's TV. We do care about the video of the good ole Grateful Dead, however.

Upgrading to BluRay will not provide a video upgrade over a DVD because both medias are much higher quality than the capture of the source tape it was recorded on. You would get a sound upgrade though and better detail on the grainy source (which can in a way make it look worse).

Anything recorded on film (The Grateful Dead Movie, Sunshine Daydream, perhaps Château d'Hérouville) can be greatly improved by bringing to bringing it to BluRay, that's where you see the improvements. You can magnify and enhance the hell out of film with good results so long as it was in focus. But film was and is expensive.

I still want all this 89/90 stuff released.. I don't watch concert videos as often as I used to, but sometimes you just want concert time in the home theatre.

That's my take.. bring on the 80's video but expect it to reflect the technology of the day. The video will still be grainy.

As for E72.. I sad to admit I just finished 4/8. Perhaps there is time to catch up.

John Perry Barlow

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

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String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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