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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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June 14, 2019 - 10:54am

#821

Oroborous

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Moderation

What Charlie said, well done.
Doing anything everyday is probably not good for you, whatever it is! Yin/yang etc., Balance is the key to life. Compounded over many years/decades will most likely lead to health issues, or worse.
Also, everybody is different, and so every substance wether asprin or whatever, can effect people differently. That is one reason why I feel the methodology employed by law enforcement to determine a persons ability drive is unconstitutional........I’m not for a minute suggesting that there is no regulation needed there, only that the current methods are not right!
We old timers talk crazy about the old days, but it’s a much different world now. “Law come to get ya when you don’t walk right”....So have fun, but get to know your body, know what your taking, be safe, and more importantly be responsible!

This public service announcement brought to you by old burned out freaks, convicts, recoverers and others who’ve been there. 😉
June 14, 2019 - 9:53am

#822

SkullTrip

Joined:
January 11, 2018

What's in the box?!

I kinda sorta wanna know, but not really.
June 14, 2019 - 8:55am

#823

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Moderation

I recall in a toxicology class learning that the poison is in the dose - in other words most things can become toxic if taken to excess. Don't believe me? Google what can happen if you drink too much water at one time. Spoiler alert, it can kill you. Minas is correct to the extent that excessive use of psychedelics can cause some crispiness to ensue, however, moderate use did not seem to have the same impact, and use of other substances may complicate the issue. There was a period where I was probably tripping a couple times a week and I was crispy, although I was also high 24/7. At a frequency of dosing approximately once per week I was not crispy and did pretty well in my calculus class, a good indicator that I had not suffered any real damage. After regular consumption, lets say an average of once per week for a period of several years, my scores on standardized testing for post-bachelor degree education still came out in the top 1-2%, again, support that no real damage was done.

With regard to the treatment of depression and anxiety and the administration of psychedelics, mushrooms or ketamine for example, the dosing regimen that I have seen involve administration of a low dose, talk therapy for a couple weeks followed by administration of a higher dose of the psychedelic. That's it, two doses, and the depression and anxiety is alleviated for months or longer. Unlike cocaine's effect on depression, which is to briefly alleviate and then exacerbate it, the impact of psychedelics is persistent from one or two doses. How many Xanax do you have to take in that time? Also, Xanax is no joke, it is a benzodiazepine with some serious potential side effects, including negative impacts on cognitive abilities, the fact that you are physically dependent after a period of use and will have severe side effects if use is suddenly stopped. It is not innocuous.

Use what works for you at a frequency that works for you, but be aware that whatever you are using can probably be overdone. Sorry to ramble, but I could talk about psychedelics and the current research all day.
June 14, 2019 - 8:14am

#824

LedDed

Joined:
February 16, 2017

Drug box

I don't care what the next box is I'm looking forward to it. It'll have cool packaging and be old (new) live Dead music that I don't already have... what's not to love.

I've done as many drugs as anyone here. I'm sure of it. Not that it's a contest, but I used to live for that shit. Now, I can say without doubt that the best one can ever feel is fresh out of bed early in the morning, or just after exercise. But to each his own... just don't get lost out there. Peace everyone.
June 14, 2019 - 7:40am

#825

DeadVikes

Joined:
October 26, 2016

Box Announcement

So, no box Announcement this week. 😡
Looks like we will have to wait at least another week!

Been Listening to Dick's 28 from early 1973 the last two days, just love this one. 73 was such a strong year for the boys. Have not come across one that I don't love.
June 14, 2019 - 6:51am

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MinasMorgul

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My two cents

To say that psychedelic use is a great cure for depression it's kind of like saying cocaine is a great cure for depression. I'm never depressed after a line of coke!

I have two friends who microdose acid everyday to help deal with anxiety. Buddy one, he says it helps, and I'm not saying lithium makes people any more coherent than psychedelics, but he is a completely different person now. I think he's actually become manic. And very forgetful. He told me twice in the same 3 hour get together that he had begun micro dosing. He completely forgot that he told me the first time and started the story fresh about two hours into a poker game. The other day he texted that his car was stolen so I called him to make him feel better and to hear his story. We spoke about it for 15 minutes. The very next day he texted me that I was never going to believe it but his car got stolen. The manic part I spoke of his that he just comes up with these crazy ideas that he gets fixated on and goes on and on in a nonlinear fashion about it. Like an invention to replace windshield wipers. LOL he is a dear friend but he is greatly changed. When he was on real depression medicine he did very well but complained that it made him tired and required a nap in the day. This all transpired in the last year. He was on the Xanax for 6 months and now he's been microdosing instead for 6 months. I miss Xanax guy.

Special message to Hendrix freak. I am not at all criticizing you or your use of recreational psychedelics. I trip once or twice a year, or at least did before I had an accident last year. I like tripping. I just don't think that it can be used everyday without changing a person. And I am not saying that it has changed you for the worst. I don't even know you so it would be ridiculous for me to make any kind of judgment like that. I just want you to know that my comments above relate to my buddy. A case study if you will.

Then there is his partner in crime, buddy number two. We now refer to him as mr. Paranoia. I think he's a little bit beyond the micro part of microdosing. He's not even depressed. He just likes to do drugs. He has run his business into the ground so badly his wife came to me for advice. Just to give you some perspective she hates me. She's the kind of gal who believes if you criticise women you're a misogynist. So for example, I once mentioned that my girlfriend and I had a funny miscommunication due to her inability to write neatly. I literally went to the wrong airport because I couldn't make out what she wrote. She admits this freely and blames the constant use of typing on electronic devices as the reason her writing looks like spaghetti now. Buddy number two's wife laid into me about that story. The point is that these drugs they are doing on a daily basis I really turning their brains into mush. They both have families and children and I think the more responsibility you have the easier it is to get carried away on this stuff. Sure it sounds like there's an article that supports they use for fighting depression. I don't know what that authors political slant is. I don't know what the studies political slant is. Maybe they're talking it up or maybe in some severe cases of depression it's better than nothing.

Sorry for the long post. Haven't used just about every kind of drug under the sun, I am well aware of the flipside dangers to mind and health. When I was using regularly I made excuses for it and quoted the first study I could Google that seemed to support my habit. Looking back I know that all of the recreational drugs harm us if used daily. Cocaine, marijuana, shrooms and acid, opioids, etc. I believe most of us recreational users who begin using recreationally everyday kind of hide behind the label of recreation and cringe at the word addiction.

I tried changing my username to Minas Ithil but had technical issues. Minas Ithil was the White Tower before it was taken over by evil forces, becoming the Fortress of the witch King and being renamed Minas Morgul. A man with a dark streak always has a dark streak, at best he can shine enough light to keep the dog at Bay. You want to talk about a trip? Try fading in and out of fevered consciousness for a couple of days with no way to get help or even move your body without pain you never thought yourself capable of having. The thing about trauma and being close to death is that the cover of protection that you put up around your psyche to get through the days is lifted forever. You start to see things as they really are and not how your psyche wants them to be.
June 14, 2019 - 3:39am

#827

daverock

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Ongoing psychedelic drug use

Very interesting that there seems to haver been a lot more research done with psychedelic drugs over the last five years or so - and that the results seem to be so positive. Earlier this week, in one of the main national newspapers-The Guardian-there was a double page centre spread on how tests with psilocybin suggested that it was possibly the best antidote to depression yet identified.

This was definitely my experience. Between 1987 and 1993, I found myself living in a flat surrounded by fields in which mushrooms grew between September and November. Consequently, during those years, I would trip once a week, maybe into December, and then nothing until the same season the following year. They were great years on every level, far and away better than the preceding ones had been. I always took them on my own, and then joined friends later in the evening. It all came to an end when I got a professional qualification in 1993, and had to leave the area to take up my new job. Which is where I still live. I never bothered looking for them here, although I was tempted to at first. In any case, it felt inappropriate, given the new role I had taken on. I haven't taken them since 1993, and although I no longer feel tempted to, I have no regrets whatsoever about taking them at that time.

As ever, the biggest risk with illegal drugs, as I understand it, is rooted, in their illegality. With acid, in my late teens and twenties, the massive contrast in potency-and in what was actually being sold as "acid" seemed to vary wildly. It felt a bit like Russian Roulette, to me. So I am not so chipper about all that.
June 13, 2019 - 8:58pm

#828

MrHeartbreak

Joined:
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Te-Kill-Ya

The discussion of tequila reminds me of my drinking days in college. One night I was drinking with a couple girls and one other guy. We were drinking Jose Cuervo, with the worm in the bottle. The idea was that whoever got the shot with the worm in it had to consume it. By the time we got close to the bottom, we were all pretty sloshed. And when the girl who poured the shot with the worm falling into it saw that thing, we all roared and she shrieked, “I’m not tucking that fouching worm!” True story.
June 13, 2019 - 7:19pm

#829

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Last Five....

....btw. the first one you mention was the last one you listened to....
Elton John - Madman Across The Water (current)
Elton John - 17-11-70
Phish - 11.3.18 Grand Garden Arena, Sin City (was present. And it was good)
Elton John - Tumbleweed Connection
GOGD - Fox Theatre 3.18.71
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.
Bonus Fives. The first two Elton John records. You see, I saw this certain movie recently, and I'm committed to listen to his entire catalogue. So if I seem redundant over the next few weeks, that is why 😉. Im like the moon. Phases....
Madman ended while I was typing this. Cue Honky Chateau. Imagine putting Honky on an album title these days. Oh Lordy!!
June 13, 2019 - 6:51pm

#830

Charlie3

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LMG

Hey LMG, thanks for the info, I figured someone on here would know what the other show was right away.

John Perry Barlow

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

Last 5

Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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