Dave's Picks Volume 30: Fillmore East, New York, New York 1/2/70

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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April 22, 2019 - 8:26pm

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Thin

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Charlie3

you wrote: "I just can't get behind what seems like renting access to music or movies when I can own them outright on a disc."

Charlie, this is the hurdle that everybody has to get over in a technology shift. The mentality has always been about ownership.

But gradually, people are going to streaming. Why? Let's say you spend $200 on a few CD's and special releases annually. But then you realize a service (Apple Music or whatever) costs $10 a month ($120/yr = 80 savings) for ALL of them PLUS ALMOST ALL THE OTHER MUSIC IN THE WORLD. You'll go broke trying to buy everything you want "a la carte". The streaming model is coming together folks, and it makes sense. Stay tuned.

Buying DVD's and Blue Ray right now is like buying 8 track tapes in 1979. I did it! And 2 years later I felt like an idiot. And sure they work great if you' stay in 1979 forever. But then suddenly it's 1983 and YOU'RE the guy/gal still proudly "collecting" 8-track tapes while everyone goes to CD! Don't be that guy.
April 22, 2019 - 7:15pm

#2372

KeithFan2112

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Good Evening Rockers!

I've been keeping up with the E72 shows, so that's a good sign, but to be honest, it's always the May Dave's Picks that derails me.

There's a huge gap between the 4/17 Tivoli show and the Rockin' The Rhein show of 4/24, so I've been wearing the shit out RTR. The Dark Star => Wharf Rat => Sugar Magnolia is really just something else altogether. I keep playing it over and over, trying to figure out the Dark Star. This medley is one of my favorite extended Dead pieces of all time.

I think tomorrow I'll move on to Hundred Year Hall.

Now it's time to switch over from E72 to something else. I'm avoiding 1970 for now, to keep that period pristine for "the arrival". Maybe I'll go with that great Playing In The Band from DaP 18. Or the DaP 17 second set medley would be kind of tasty - there's a really good Eyes of the World => China Doll on that one. Not to mention the WRS => Jam. Or do I just Go To Nassau and rock out to that killer Jack Straw => Franklin's Tower opening combo......

CD guy here. Think of how boring release day would be with nothing to open.
April 22, 2019 - 6:19pm

#2373

Gewee

Joined:
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GRRRRRR. How do you sell out…

GRRRRRR. How do you sell out a Dave's Picks before you even ship it? Go out on a limb and produce 30,000 instead of 20,000. if you don't order it the day it is released, you can't get it. I'm tool old to chase this shit. I'll just download a bootleg, although I'd rather buy it from you. Only, you won't allow that to happen. Wisen up guys.
April 22, 2019 - 6:09pm

#2374

icecrmcnkd

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CDs, Video in the current era

FTW and Dead & Co have made it possible for people who got into the music after Jerry died to experience the songs live.
It’s not the same, but they never saw the real thing, and don’t have a standard to compare to. It’s still better than what else is on tour these days.
This has brought in new recruits who also are buying releases (and scalpers too).
Seems that CD sales, at least, will continue for a while.

But I would still like some video too.
April 22, 2019 - 5:45pm

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dreading

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Dead CDs

Whatever else is going on in the outside world, CDs are expanding in this niche market. Blu Ray disc sales might do ok here if the source quality were good, but as noted, all of the worthy candidates are available already. Sunshine Daydream, Movie Soundtrack, whatever else.

CDs are on the rise here, and will at least plateau at 20K for awhile, if not rise some more next year. The completely unique selling opportunity of having so many otherwise unavailable shows in the Vault gives Rhino a marketing advantage to do the Limited Edition thing and collect $100 from almost 20K subscribers a year. It will take many more years for that number to go back down to 12,000, where it started. If 12,000 was good in 2012 then it will still be good 5 years from now, should the instant sellouts cease. It's the only place you can get it, and it's on CD in limited quantities. There would have to be a huge offer from some streaming company for Rhino to turn their back on this marketing schema. And I doubt that's going to happen, because the music still has to be engineered before it's ready for release.
April 22, 2019 - 5:25pm

#2376

icecrmcnkd

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Videos

I’m not always in front of the TV while they are playing, but I can still hear them.
Being able to see the TV from the kitchen is also key, you can listen while you cook and occasionally look at the TV.

I watch less than 10 Hollywood movies per year, and rarely current releases.
I try to watch Strange Brew and Big Lebowski at least once a year, both of which I have on DVD.

But concert video, I watch that a lot.
Just watched Hard Working Americans - First Waltz this weekend.

I have Sunshine Daydream on DVD and Blu Ray, the BR has higher resolution audio, which is reason right there to put stuff out on BR.
April 22, 2019 - 5:15pm

#2377

icecrmcnkd

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Streaming

Live streams - sometimes (if it’s free), I think that the only time I paid for a live stream was FTW 6-27-15 and it kept freezing/buffering.
My BR/DVD player doesn’t freeze/buffer. I also don’t need an internet connection to watch discs.

I did watch the two WSP free streams this weekend at Sweetwater 420 Fest. No freezing with that.

I do watch YouTube concert videos on my TV (using the home theater for sound) to check out other bands besides GD. The recent discussions of Spirit sent me looking for video and the Rockpalast show was great. Then Daverock and Simonrob informed us that a bunch of Rockpalast shows were on DVD, which some people were happy to know about.

As far as GD, yes I want video on physical media, just like the audio.

Yes, a lot of people in the general population stream. In fact, several companies are betting big time on that being the future, as well as streaming audio.

How many people on this site want future Dead releases to be stream only?

Jim,
The John Deere is looking good. You must have parked it indoors over the winter and then gave it a wash/wax.
April 22, 2019 - 5:04pm

#2378

stoltzfus

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GD video

it's hard to find the TIME to sit down to enjoy a show on video, and with my two non-Deadhead loved ones at home...

gimme CDs because I can take them in my car, to various places in the house, etc.

I would love to revisit the DVD of Closing of Winterland, but I would need the house to myself for 6+ hours.

Someday, my lads...someday.
April 22, 2019 - 3:53pm

#2379

80sfan

Joined:
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videos

I think I'm in the minority, but I have a really hard time watching the dead in concert on a tv screen. The Grateful Dead movie was really cool but I have a hard time lasting long with videos like Alpine or any of the Meet Up events. Couple songs at the most. I can't even do couch tour. Different strokes I guess...

Thin and others are correct - most people aren't buying DVDs or CDs. People are streaming their shows and music, choosing to listen or watch what they want, when they want it. If Dave is talking about different formats, he almost certainly is referring to streaming, whether it be on your phone, computer or TV.
April 22, 2019 - 3:48pm

#2380

Vguy72

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Nice little show from this day...

https://archive.org/details/gd1986-04-22.sbd.miller.34767.flac16/gd86-0…

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

Last 5

Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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