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    i only saw the dead once in inglewood 2009... but never the grateful dead. i will, though see further! can't wait!
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    On Wednesday, August 31, 2011, Bruce Hornsby and The Noisemakers (J.V. Collier, John “JT” Thomas, Bobby Read, Doug Derryberry, & Sonny Emory) take the stage at Beekman Beer Garden Beach Club (located at 89 South Street, New York, NY 10038) to deliver a show inspired by all genres, pop, jazz, bluegrass, country and modern classical music. Hornsby is a songwriter at heart who is committed to portraying his songs in new ways that allow them to evolve and expand. Joining them will be the Marco Benevento Trio, who is best known for his articulation on the piano. Marco continues to define himself as one of the most prolific new voices of his era, blurring genres from song to song, and more often from measure to measure, with his own take on simple pop pleasures, dance party rave-ups and art jazz experimentation. In their outdoor venue with a great view of the Brooklyn Bridge, Beekman Beer Garden wows guests with two bars, a lounge area, a stage for live music, and table games such as Foosball, Ping-Pong and billiards. It has been called an “adult sandbox” by The Gotham Palate and was given thumbs up on their food options, which range from Burgers to Seafood to German Sausages to a variety of sides and snacks (full menu can be viewed here http://tinyurl.com/63a28hj). Wednesday, August 31, 2011 18+ $39adv $45dos Doors 5pm/Show 7pm http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=103537363076176
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    please play Smokestack Lightening bobby used to do that really bluesy growl when he sang it thank you
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    i am glad this band still tours. sure it's not the same as being in Hebron OH with Jerry singing "...by the waterside I will rest my bones ...." but if I was expecting that from a band without Jerry Garcia, to me, it would be akin to asking why doesn't my square fit into your circle? Like, how could it? anyway, I also remember Arlo with Furthur years back.....hearing Alice's Restaurant was un-real. bobby doing hound dog, black crows. i will say that those early furthur fest's were incredible, all day, rock your socks off events. gates opened at like 2pm, and it was ON....until you simply fell out from sheer delightful exhaustion! it would be cool to see something that size again go about the country. i might be inclined to do that tour. at 38, Id better do it before I get too old, eh ;) see you all in Eugene! "...fields of fragile thunder..."
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    Ha, ha! Don't we humans just love complicating matters?!!But seriously though, folks, i hope my comments don't come across as too critical or mean-spirited or a "downer". Real hard to see what they read like in another person's mind. I am writing it with nothing but a big smile, a twinkle in the eye and a rippling excitement in the fingers. I'm certainly not "bashing" Furthur, by any means. Far from it. I have enjoyed listening to some of their shows. There is some wonderful playing and it is has been my great pleasure to lose myself in their flickering jams; like bobbing in warm water, the brain gently rocked in it's cradle. I definitely don't sit there "anal(anal?)ysing" the music furiously. No way. Not what music means to me. Let it wash over you and warm your heart. I truly believe if one let's that beautiful human ability of intuition, of spontaneity, of open improvisation to manifest itself, to flower and bloom in the most natural way (what makes life so INCREDIBLE! we truly live in a universe of sheer WONDER) that we cannot "control" what the music means to us. When it's happening, when it's "on", and the joy and warmth in your heart begins to rise, then complete surrender is the only logical state to exist in. I'm sure Furthur will do that for me at some point. Just cannot explain why my mind can start to wander, to drift off and not fully "connect". It's by not thinking at all; by being so completely open that i've seemed to arrive at these feelings, so i have to honour that emotion. Would be disrespectful of me not to. And i certainly don't mind the "slowing down", ha ha!! I heartily encourage it!! As i get older too, (nearly 39 and counting), a more languid pace is the more appealing. I really enjoyed the Scaring The Children sets at Jam Cruise, and Ratdog's laid back approach to the Dead cannon. I love hearing songs completely reduced to a crawl. I think it can open up a whole world of possibilities in their meaning. I find that by "versioning" songs in my own head, hearing what they would sound like if the framework was almost on the very verge of collapse, makes you hear the words in an astonishing way; they can sound positively incantatory. (Helps of course when the words are the quality of Hunter's/Weir's/Barlow's - Lesh's too!). A little example...... A slight fork in the road here folks, just a little tangent, so forgive me - I was listening to the Grateful Dead, i do believe it was 9/16/90 - Madison Square Garden (but could've been 12/29/77 - Winterland) while doing overtime at work, the year of 2004, July 24 ; my father was terminally ill with cancer; visited him at home in his bed that morning. Told him a joke and made him laugh, my lasting memory (for the record? "What do the donkeys on Blackpool beach get for lunch? Half an hour..." Guess you had to be there....!). Mid-morning and suddenly, THAT phone call comes; "Has he?..." "Yes..."; dying, thankfully, in my mother's arms. While locking up and making my way straight to the family home, i realise that the time at which he died, coincided with Bob singing "Looks Like Rain". It certainly does... That was when the song began drifting through my mind, entering my consciousness with the most natural of ease, like it was just meant to be there (just absolutely PERFECT), on my way to catch the train, in the slowest version ever (not) heard. That ending vocal refrain, in that wonderful song, almost spoken so slow instead of sung, the melody almost buckling under the funereal pace, became revelatory. Try it with other songs, in your own head. They shine in a completely different way. (Thurston Moore does a great slow take on The Beach Boy's "Here Today", that is well worth listening to). I don't know. Maybe putting these thoughts to paper (screen), only makes you travel in more and more circles. Is it really necessary? Is any "criticism" or point view worth a ... Can sometimes have the ability to generate chinese whispers, and the original emotion can twist and turn and you end up going off at a tangent. Er, what was i saying again?! Case in point? Please see above... Knowing me, i will probably fall head over heels after one glorious "meeting" with Furthur and then not even recognise the person who wrote what he wrote! (will probably happen tonight too, just to reinforce a position of "the butt of some great Cosmic joke"!!). I guess the Dead in it's many hydra-headed forms and configurations compel this kind of "deep thinking" (or waffling)!! How many other bands can stir such emotion? Thanks everyone, especially lamagonzo, for the replies. Feels good.
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    I didn't know listening to Furthur could be so complicated... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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    Think you missed some of my point. Which is that you can't help getting old. Getting old makes you slow down. It's not a conscious thing. These guys are late 60s, over 70. Unless they're mainlining human growth hormone they are going to slow down. These days I feel Furthur shows are like (pardon my drug metaphor) a heroin nod with an occasional ride on Casey Jones train. I'm perfectly happy to go but I think you'll find me dreaming dead dreams and surprisingly few of us who saw Jerry play getting up and dance unless we really feel like it and/or it's out favorite song or suite of music. This is my view. To each his own. I'm just a crusty ole' Deadhead. You want to hear tails of days gone past keep passin' the kind. I get the feeling you're a COD yuhself jonapi, just speaking about those wide-eyed Furthurtheads looking at me with those wide-eyes, hoping against all odds to climb out of a time machine. ~ Just one thing for me ~
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    I agree about Jerry and the respect issue; you can almost hear that throaty, bubbling laugh of his and see the raising of an eyebrow.As for The Dead '09, well i thought some of it was interesting; being a lover of drums and percussion, there would be no danger of myself taking a toilet break during that section! The "sounds of the universe" injections were most welcome. Wished they could've prolonged/interacted with those sounds a bit deeper (hard to tell from the speakers, but another "visionary" human at the sound desk would've been good; pan those sonic booms across the stereo spectrum in a righteous radical fashion.....damn, why does every Head always think that they could do better??!!!!). Not sure what you meant by "maybe the drummers are tired of playing Dead music" though; both are still playing the music. I thought Tim Bluhm was a great addition to the Rhythm Devils, Andy Hess too (i'll gracefully skip over Davy Knowles' american-accented vocalisations...!). And Bill still seems to be the only one adding a fresher slant to the Dead repertoire, in 7 Walkers. Witness the recent shows with the mighty Kirk Joseph parading that sousaphone; inspired. The performance of "Death Don't Have No Mercy" in the Relix basement, while not mind expanding, had WAY more feel and swampy soul than anything Furthur are going to muster. As for "a taste of what it used to be like"? With all due respect, i'm going to pass on that. I don't want a taste of something that has already evaporated into the ether. The Grateful Dead finished in 1995. Any similar ambience is, at best, illusionary. I too appreciate the evolution of the musicians, any musicians, but especially those shining "core four"; the times have certainly changed. I'm just hoping that some of those involved may recognise it a little more and truly blow our minds. (I don't buy the "mellowing with age" application; i don't think anyone's asking for coruscating noise and avant garde auditory strafing, but resting on that comfy cushion of predictability sure does leave one witha feeling of gentle lethargy). I know, i know... too much of this criticism helped drive a stake through the heart of the Dead's later years; all that expectation makes for a heavy weight on a human being who just wants to play their instrument. But i shudder to think that any "recreations" and "playing it safe" is a conscious decision on Furthur's part; the cold, kiss of death i feel. I'll take it for what it is. I'll continue to go with it. How long is another matter. I get the feeling Furthur might not go with it for much longer either. But as long as they're still playing music i'll be there. Every step of the way. Just to see what happens. I do believe it. I certainly need it. I'll leave it if necessary. And i DARE them to get WEIRDER!!!!!!! Thanks so much for replying to my initial post. It's really appreciated. Kynd indeed.
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    Glad you enjoyed your shows; too bad about the parking lot scene. I recently checked out the website for Red Rocks and WOW! That looks like about as nice a venue as I could imagine!I went to my first Phish show earlier this week. It was fun and they played my two favorite Phish tunes (Bug & Antelope). But I'll definitely never have the passion for Phish that I have for the Grateful Dead family of bands. Still had a good time though. It was interesting timing after reading Blair's blog post and all the comments about other jam bands. I guess I see the Phish vs. Dead thing as a false dichotomy - two totally different animals and no reason not to enjoy both if one is so inclined.
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Early snow is great this fall. Carved up the slopes at Loveland and Beaver Crik earlier this week.C'mon Cowgirl, you don't think Phil or Bobby's been skiing before? Tahoe has so much to offer.
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Bobby and Phil were more snowboarders ;) Ah you know, I just thought it was wild that they pick CO for a random 3 night run... Unless there is more of a tour on the heels? =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Loveland is one of my faves! People always underestimate that place. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Phil ice skated back in the '90's on tour-don't know about Bobby.....just don't think they've ever skiied, but I'll certainly poke around .......:)))
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Presale just started for CO shows...click the poster above for the link♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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since I left MSG in the Moonlight,so many days ago now T:::::::::::::::::T and ya know I write more ~ everynight. I should just type it 2 YOU, ALL but I am a little shy, sometimes kinda. I feel like a stranger... so I bought this book and am reading IT to just take the etiquette path to express my appreciation for the 57 great times, we've recently had. It's named: The Art of Thank You Crafting Notes of Gratitude by: Connie Leas Published BY: Fine Communications 322 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10001 There's a, "generous sampling" of "...inspiring thank-you notes" I said, "If you--- threw a PaRty, you would SEE." I'm working on a Proper Note Now. ...I love you so much... so so much... "The Biggest Gift Would Be From Me." Just me and My Imagination. ----------------------(------@ --------------------------(---@ _____________________@ teeheehee I'll make my apprecation known properly...one day. Maybe it will be... My Masterpiece. I am so filled with gratitude Aww shucks... A MILLION BUCKS>>> in Silver. XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO -----------------------------(---@ XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO In lovingkindness always, Sherry
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Furthur 2011 Dates for March and April Furthur is excited to announce that we'll be touring throughout the month of March into early April, 2011, as we get rolling on what looks to be an exciting year after our initial shows of 2011 in Broomfield, CO in February. Between March 4 and April 6, Furthur will be playing in the following cities: Boston, Wallingford (CT), New York, Fairfax, Philadelphia, Binghamton, Pittsburgh, Hampton, Charleston, Atlanta, Orlando and Boca Raton. Furthur Fan Club pre-sales start January 7. Click HERE for complete tour dates and venues, and please check back here soon for ticket information. We look forward to seeing you on the road in 2011! Happy holidays! Tour Fri, Mar 4th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Sat, Mar 5th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Sun, Mar 6th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Tue, Mar 8th Oakdale Theatre Wallingford, CT Thu, Mar 10th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Fri, Mar 11th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Sat, Mar 12th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Sun, Mar 13th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Tue, Mar 15th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Thu, Mar 17th Patriot Center Fairfax, VA Fri, Mar 18th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Sat, Mar 19th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Sun, Mar 20th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Tue, Mar 22nd Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Wed, Mar 23rd Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Fri, Mar 25th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Sat, Mar 26th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Sun, Mar 27th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Tue, Mar 29th Broome County Civic Binghamton, NY Wed, Mar 30th Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh, PA Fri, Apr 1st Hampton Coliseum Hampton, VA Sat, Apr 2nd North Charleston Coliseum Charleston, SC Sun, Apr 3rd Fox Theatre Atlanta, GA Tue, Apr 5th UCF Arena Orlando, FL Wed, Apr 6th Mizner Park Amphitheatre, Boca Raton, FL Sounds like Fun!!!! ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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It will be back to Radio City for me. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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european dfates oh well!!!!!!
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I live in Las Vegas and have seen Ratdog many times here and Furthur once. Lookin forward to New Years with Furthur in San Francisco!I dont mean to speculate but Bill and Mickey for special guest at a Furthur show would complete the universe. New Years would be perfect. You just KNOW its gonna come true… Still, Furthur is bathing in great success today and the above posts are all right and true. Love to all you grate people peeps graple! smilin' on a cloudy day
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Tune in 12/31/10, at 9 central, and rock on satellite radio!!! West coasters will be parting at 7?
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Hey now, where is everyone these days? LIning up 2011 show plans? We got tix for 3/4 & 3/6 at the Orpheum in Boston. No luck yet on 3/5, but still waiting for word from DS TOO - hope they come through for us! This is the first time I've tried the mail order route. The online presale was totally hopeless. It is unfortunate that the mail order and general online sales aren't timed far enough apart for you to know whether you've scored on one before you try the other.
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It seems like our old 2009 Dead tour dead.net pals are not here much any more :( It's good to see YOU though! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Just saw for 2011 2 shows in Fla. First one at the new University of Central Florida's Arena. Just opened back in 08 and this a beautiful place to see a show with plenty of parking and lots of room for vending, partying, etc..., just watch out for the campus police, they can be real backward thinking and have a tendency for overreacting. With that in mind, have fun but be safe. Since the band will be skipping North Carolina this spring, I can't think of a better place to be in April, Sun, fun, furthur, definately something better to think about besides all of this snow and cold up here. "Paradise waits....."
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Tell me about Mizner Park: it is an outdoor theater? I enjoyed the Miami Bayfront show last year.
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Jack: Looks like you have three shows coming up in CO, and I'll bet you're going to all of them - enjoy!Ted & Sam: What about the SC show? Just wondering, I would think that would be a nice warm spring venue as well. We've got tickets for 3/4 & 3/6 at the Orpheum in Boston. It's a small venue that sold out quickly. It's a real Brokedown Palace with lots of duct-taped renovations, but it's only 12 miles from our house, so we would love to be able to do all three shows. Still waiting to see if mail order comes through for us (and if it does, we'll have too many tickets - but better than getting shut out!) I'm surprised there isn't more conversation on this site - The Dead in 09 tour generated so much action, I could barely keep up with it after work. And that was just one tour in one season, where it feels like Furthur is taking us further indeed - a lot to be happy about, especially for folks like me, who got on te bus belatedly.
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We went to one of their shows in early Sept at the Hampton Beach Casino (NH) in early Sept, and it was great! Right-up-front forty-dollar tickets in a small-summer venue, too!Would definitely recommend and hope they come back soon.
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Hit New Years in SF and next 3 more in Broomfield .. pretty grateful indeed! Have fun at you shows Rosa! Yes I agree that Rhythm Devils are awesome. Saw them twice last summer with Keller, they were A LOT of fun!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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is an outdoor facility, alot like the bayfront in Miami, there is absolutely no tailgating at this place and parking will be expensive and iffy. I love south Fla but I will pass on this show, as far as South Carolina, I had a bad experience there and wouldn't set foot in that state for love or money or even free tickets, the cops in this state suck and they will bust you or at least mess with you if you look the least little bit like a head, good luck to any and all going there.
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Has anybody else noticed that the Tues, March 8th show in Conn. is on Mardi Gras? Laissez les bons temps rouler!
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Hey boyz and girlz...LOVE YOU....missed you too. Figured I'd just write everything here, because I assume most people check this thread. I've been under some serious pressures lately, Mom is back in the hospital, and honestly when she was out it was like a full time babysitting job. So, I appreciate all the kind vibes from all you from before, she's doing ok, just not there yet. Also, I've been working on projects @ the same time so I've had to put PRIORITIES ahead of being online and talking to my family. I will be getting everything squared away here in the next couple of days, I really just need to sleep and take a breather from the Chaos of what I've been dealing with. So please don't think that I've forgot about prizes and Getting back online/chatting/talking/vining and talking with all you kind folks. Just know that I've been under EXTREME stress with Mom's Disease and dealing with the game called "Life". Thanks for understanding, and I love you my family....ALOT! In fact without some of my close friends and dead.netters (family freinds) I don't think I'd still be sane right now. Love, Canyon Critter ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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Sleep in the stars...glad your mother is improving. Galaxies of healing light to you and your mom and family!
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We are soooooooo ready for Boston!!!! Babysitters...check.....room...check.....money saved...check....March it happens...Beantown will kick it off. My wife and I are sooo ready to shake our bones and stomp the feet. Thank you Bobby and Phil for bringing us along on this trip...and to Mickey, Billy, Bruce, Donna, Tom and all....gather together one more time....PLEASE!!!!!! So MANY ROADS!!!
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But 2011 really kicks off with 3 in Broomfield first my friend =) 2 weeks from Friday the train will be rollin on into town!!! Well my mama told me my papa told me too ... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Have a wonderful weekend at the Broomfield shows!
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we should petition Sunshine to change her name to something that starts with a J, so they can go back to being aka Bob, Phil and a handful of J's... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Broomfield Feb 11 immediately!! Enough said. This is shaping up to be their greatest run yet. Wow! This was show #12 for me and I have every show they have played. Something special happened in the 1st Bank Center last night. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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02/11/11 (Fri) 1st Bank Center - Broomfield, CO Set 1: Jack Straw > Me & My Uncle, Loser, Big River, Must've Been the Roses, Deal (1) > Black Throated Wind, Brown Eyed Women Set 2: Weather Report Suite Prelude > WRS Part I > Let it Grow, Mountain Song > I Know You Rider, Dark Star > China Doll, Playing in the Band, Help on the Way > Slipknot! > Franklin's Tower E: Liberty (2) Comment: (1) with Brother Esau jam; (2) before Liberty, Phil says "This one is for the people of Egypt"
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I'd rather be in some dark hollowWhere the sun don't ever shine Than to be home alone, knowing that you're gone Would cause me to lose my mind "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Just listened to Friday nights show in Colorado, and they sound great! It's getting better all the time. Thanks for putting it on the road again yet one more time! It's so great that at this point in time new people can still come to a show and get what the experience is all about! Party on, everyone!
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We got to hear some of it streaming on GD radio Saturday, great show!Furthur's next show - Boston, 3/4/11!
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It seems like a perfect venue for Furthur I am surpirsed they haven't played there yet. I am praying for a 3 three night run sometime this summer. Broomfield shows were legendary...loved the 1st set Me and My Uncle!
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Time to start thinking about summer festivals!! Hope there is a Rothbury. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I second Gr8fulBrad's emotion: We Canucks are making the trip to Frisco for the Days Between and would LOVE to hear a 3-night run at the Greek Theatre. Pretty please?? (~);)
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String Cheese will definitely be playing 2 nights at the "Electric Forest" festival in Rothbury, MI. Not sure about other acts. There are rumours that this is the same weekend as Phish at Watkins' Glen. Ouch.
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I'm talking FURTHUR in the Electric Forest man!! And Rhythm Devils and Widespread and Yonder along with SCI.. oh what a dream that would be "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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What did you think? I thought second set sizzled. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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To all heads going to this show......I live in this area and would like to inform ALL heads attending. This venue is across the strreet form a police department and jail. 6 UP people.Nothing cool ever happens here & I do not expect much tolernce. I may be wrong. Maybe they want to start having more shows to bring in revenue and will be very tolerant. One can hope, and I have been surprised before. Just thought I would throw it out there.
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Just announced... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I thought it was a wonderful show! The first couple of songs didn't excite me too much, but from Alabama Getaway on, it was all good. The second set was truly amazing!We went to all three Boston shows, and I was lucky to hear a lot of favorite songs I hadn't hear live before: Alabama Getaway, Crazy Fingers, Help>Slip> Franklin, Morning Dew, Tom Thumb's Blues, Mason's Children, Passenger, and St. Stephen. It does seem like they don't always pay enough attention to what they've played in a certain geographical area before. For example, there was only one song at the 11/19/10 Worcester show that I hadn't seen Furthur do before (China Doll), and it was only my fifth Furthur show. And the 3/5 Ripple encore was nice to hear as always, but that was the encore for the 6/30 Lowell show and the 11/19 Worcester show, so it does become a little less special. So I was really glad to get so many tunes in Boston that I hadn't seen them do before.
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Man what a show - A Supplication and a guest appearence from Steve Molitz for an Elevator?? Not to mention the anticapted Here Comes the Sun.. nice, really really nice!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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So did no one tape any of these shows??? Bummer... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I echo your comments about the Friday night show. Second set rocked. Glad you enjoyed all three shows. My next taste will be Radio City. I heard Warren Haynes joined the boys for the Second Set last night. Anybody out there have a review. I saw the Allman Brothers Saturday night and Warren absolutely burned the place. It was his night and he was sizzling, especially the first set. However, I never thought he quite meshed during THE DEAD tour a few years ago, so I'm curious if he was able to shine with Furthur. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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Anyone get reserved seats in the pre-sale?? What an F'ing joke. I was on right when the clock struck 10 (our time) and every single reserved seat was gone, not 10:05 not 10:01, hell not even 10:00:30. Then you check stub hub and ticketnow and wow there's the tickets in some damn scalper's hand already. How do they do that?? Is it an inside job?? WTF??? It's not right it's just absolutely not right. Rant over. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"