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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1351
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    re: 6/10/73

    yes yes YES

    And, this is my NameDay show.
    Therefore, it must be released.
    There, I said it.

    .....Dave???

    - Sixtus

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    oh, and 6/10/73

    :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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    Butch Trucks and (not necessarily) old and in the way.

    How sad. I've just had a look in "Midnight Riders", and the quote I referred to isn't sourced, so it could have been made at any time under any circumstances. It occurs during a consideration of the Fillmore East album, 1971, which suggests the comment was contemporaneous-but there is no evidence that it is.

    The other thing is - we all say ill considered things at times. If someone had recorded all the stupid things I have said in my life, and written them down at a later date you would have a book as thick as the Bible.

    There are a few old bands and musicians I see who can still kick out the jams. Jeff Beck is better than ever, and King Crimson were incredible last year when I saw them. Though to be fair, it was also the first time I had seen them. I will be there at the Flamin' Groovies gig next week, followed by Steve Hillage the day after. I am, it is fair to say, a man of my times.

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    Yes, yes, yes to every one of them…If I remember correctly it was the only song played at every E72 show with 'Black Throated Wind' next at 20…not played at Bremen 4/21 & Paris 5/4.

    I think 'Mr. Charlie' along with Sly Stone's 'Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)' are 2 great examples of proto-funk or Pig-Funk in the GD's case (imho).

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    Jim - you got me looking at powwowville. When you listen, do you listen in the disc order of the set or show order. The section you referenced is from one show (on the 2nd disc), the dew is from the 3rd disc, different night. I have them stored in show order. How the dew work in that location?

    Shultzy - I think I agree about ABB and done with them. Not so much them per se, but some acts. I can hear the screw you's already, but I always feel that way about the who. It's like the catalog of live playing isn't thick enough or different enough to warrant drooling. Tom Petty hit me that way, saw him 3 times with years between each and felt I saw the same show :-) (hey tom, 30 fucking years can't you throw an extra note or two in Refugee! :-) There are just groups you feel you've gone to a performance of their greatest hits, versus a performance of great live dynamic musicianship.

    Exception for me - Pink Floyd, shows from that catalog are always incredible sounding, you only need to see 1 show per tour since they are virtually the same every time. But damn, they always sound good!

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    Since Trucks shot himself in the head in front of his wife, I think it safe to assume mental illness/dementia/Alzheimer's played at least a small part in his suicide. Several news articles of the time cite mounting financial debt ($800,000) as a possible motive. Trucks had to sell his condo in Florida and was being hounded by the IRS.

    The 'trash' talk regarding GD in general and BK & MH in particular could also have been the result of mental incapacitation.

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    ....thx Jeff for the reminder and also keeping me honest in this monumental task of cataloging The Other Ones from the E'72 trunk. Invoking said honesty, I am behind - but not for a lack of trying.

    I've made it up to the May 16th/Luxembourg show, but have only been taking 'mental notes'. I can say with fairly definitive certainty that the April 11th/Newcastle Other One is my favorite so far - it gets into a bit of a feelin' groovy jam in there too - but beyond that I have little to offer otherwise, at this exact moment.

    I will say, and I've mentioned it before (as have many others), the consistency of the playing here is what is remarkable, however the fact it is still '72 means the song selection can only go so far and of course each show is fairly similar in this regard save for swapping songs in differing slots. Nonetheless, each time I listen to a show there are things that pop out at me enough to make mental note that "this is a pretty damn fine show".
    I still really like each and every Mister Charlie - it's a fun, punchy tune with loads of personality. Too bad it all but disappeared following this tour....with Pig on the decline, you can't win 'em all.

    Oh...I also enjoyed the history on the mountain jam whoever started that discussion. Pretty cool about the origins of the ABB's take on this (at least as described here). I love the reference Jer makes in the 2/14/68 Alligator to it and I find inspiration in the fact the ABB saw the same. But in the end, I gotta agree with Stoltzie, ABB can't hold a candle to the good ole GD.

    Sixtus

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    In my musical life, before the GD, there was the ABB

    I was at a Wisconsin KMart, 1979, 15 years old, buying an album of my own...deciding between Enlightened Rogues by ABB and Journey. Yes, Journey. One look at the back cover photo, and...

    I chose ABB. later bought Fillmore East, Eat a Peach.

    Three years and one move to California later, I found the GD.

    ABB were ok after that, but nowhere near the GD in my rabidity.

    the ABB camp dissing the GD camp...laaaaaaaaaaaaame. Like a scooter critiquing the space shuttle.

    Like many artists, I'm sure they envied the GD's...loyal fan base.

    I do like ABB guesting on 7/16/72, 7/28/73, and 2/11/70.

    but ABB overall...I'm done with them.

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    Hey Sixtus. We're all pretty spoiled, but I have to ask: Now that the anniversary has passed, any chance of a "Sixtus Over-, Under-, Around-, and Re-view of Other Ones from Europe '72"? You and Keithfan and others started down the path in early April, but there've been lots of distractions since then. I still pull up your Europe '72 Dark Star review regularly. Just wondering. . . ;-)

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    The E72 anniversary project came to a screeching halt at the Lyceum run. Tough to keep up with 4 shows in a row, which is the most they did the entire tour. I've gotten most of 5/23 in (excellent set list, blistering Promised Land - wait, I think I said this last week). Anyway, up to 5/24, but the '69 / '70 bug grabbed me.

    Jimbo, the Big Rock play list is hot. I didn't recall how well-recorded this show was. I also didn't realize until I got into it that these songs are one contiguous piece of music. When I saw it on paper, I knew China Cat & The Eleven were connected, but not the rest; it makes all the difference in the world. Let me first say - extraordinary transitions throughout the entire set. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Excellent Doin' That Rag - I can't say I recall a better version. My new favorite of the era: He Was a Friend of Mine. After hearing the 3/31/69 version of Stoltzie's, and now this one, I'm scratching my head on how they didn't play this song more often. It was always kind of a novelty item for me on the Thelma release, paired with that trippy UJB. Can't wait to queue up the 3rd and final "official" version from the FW Bonus Disc soon. The China Cat transition into The Eleven struck me as "particularly good", as my recollection from the '68 versions is that they go into it with more of a bang than a sneak, after a few measures of Jerry playing the lead intro, followed by the group pounce into The Eleven; but here in the only 1969 China Cat / Eleven that I can think of, Jerry begins the transition with the Eleven lead intro (par for the course so far), but the rest of the band kind of lingers on the China Cat jam a bit longer, before joining in one at a time; then we get the big Eleven pounce. The subtlety here makes for one of those seamless transitions where you don't quite recall how you went from one song to the next (which is precisely why this version stood out for me - one minute I was driving along admiring a good looking lady in a jeep, the next I realized the Eleven had started without me - REWIND). Death Don't Have No Mercy doesn't come up on my play lists too often, mostly I guess, because they didn't play it that much. Every time I hear it though, I think, wow, this is right up there with Zeppelin doing Since I've Been Loving You, and the blues wasn't even Garcia's forte (or T.C.'s for that matter, and he lays down some nice organ chords and fills). Not that I would ever compare the Dead with Zeppelin for sustained Blues prowess LedDed - just saying they sound like they know what they're doing up there ;-) Anyone who's enjoying the new Dave's Picks and wants more of the Magnificent Seven, Jim's unearthed a perfect medley from Disc 2 of Road Trips Vol. 4 No. 1 / Big Rock Pow-Wow '69. And it's only 35 minutes....unless you add the Morning Dew "for good measure" which I advise. The pre-song banter will give you a chuckle.

    With regard to the Butch Trucks / two drummer comment - I think he expressed the limitation for improv that I felt had hit the band after Mickey rejoined in '75. I would be interested to hear if he made the remark before or after Mickey's departure (I assume before, since this is when the two bands were most closely affiliated). There was a spontaneity to the music from '71-'74 that I really enjoy. Even on the shorter numbers, anybody in the band could swing this way or that to change things up a bit. Probably the reason Playing in the Band evolved as it did. Prior to Mickey's leaving, however, his presence made for some powerfully live concert moments (The Eleven I was just talking about not least of all); without him on the early stuff, Primal Dead would not quite have been so primal. We're lucky enough to get the best of both worlds with the archival releases.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Duece on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:31

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I know this might be a reach, but maybe it is a Chicago run. He referenced High Fidelity which was a movie based in Chicago, and Til the morning comes was not only a Dead song but a Peter Cetera song and as we all know he is was in Chicago. Now what Chicago run could it be?

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Submitted by Duece on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:39

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I’m going on record and say it is 3 last shows Brent played. 07/21/90, 07/22/90, and 07/23/90. Played at Tinsley Park (Chicago) with a Queen Jane on night one.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:45

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I’m currently listening to 7-21-90 and He’s Gone is just finishing.

Sadly, no hula hoops.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:48

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Fuck that reCRAPTCHA shit.

My previous post required around 20 reCRAPTCHA screens.
This past weekend I ended up just deleting a post because the reCRAPTCHA wouldn’t end.

If TPTB are trying to dissuade us from posting on this site, they may end up getting their wish.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:49

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A while back I was thinking it might a box of Uptown Theater shows.

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 19:46

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I was thinking it might be a 69 show but I don't think TPTB would release a 69 show right after releasing a 70 show. Now if it's a Chicago show I'd go with 1/30/78, 1/31/78 or 2/1/78 the reason being that it's been awhile since we had an official release from 1978.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 01:53

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Hit me like a diamond bullet in the brain-its 1976, surely. The reference to putting the Dead cds away for a while, to take them out when the morning comes could be a reference to their sabbatical at the end of 1974, and subsequent re-emergence in 76. Taking into account the fact that there hasn't been proper 76 box yet-a couple of Dicks Picks were 4 cd 2 show sets - then this seems most likely. I would prefer Fall 1972-but I can't see it myself.

For all fans of the post Syd, pre Dark Side Floyd, I would recommend the new remaster of Phaedra by Tangerine Dream. Its part of the new box set, but all the studio albums have been released individually. They are as cheap as chips and this one, the best of the bunch, sounds amazing. They seemed to me to take the space music Pink Floyd played as a basis for their own development. Mainly electronic keyboards, but you can't dance to it.

Whoops, I've got that "I'm not a robot thing" to do now. Maybe they think my post is potentially subversive.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 02:35

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I think you might be onto something Daverock. Also, from the first Bolo clue:
"Trapped....from earth......for what seemed like a decade......." "grace of God" "good to be back although my soul is still drained and weakened"

the decade= 65-75, grace of God = Blues for Allah

I'd love a 76 box. I've been listening to a lot of 76 lately. The instrumental blend is so perfect, really as good as pre-hiatus.

Happy 4th folks! I'd love to tag along with you, in spirit, HF on the Yampa! I'll be quiet, (in spirit), and you won't even notice I'm there.... it looks wonderful!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 04:00

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...good morning my brothers & sisters out there in DeadLand...concerning Bolo’s last post/clue, it’s the next Daves Pick, #31, if I read it correctly?!
Have a grateful day everyone, and have a Happy Holiday 4th July, be safe be alive and rock on !!! God bless.
🙏❤️🤠

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 04:56

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...I’d like More 1979 please, Ill take my 3 sugars and cream with coffee,lol!
Also some 70’-72’, 76’, 82’-89’ or 90’-94’ would be welcomed as well, as long as the “Audio Quality” is Primo! 😉 which is my top priority for a Full Performance vs a Compilation Piece like the ‘Road Trip Series’...who am I kid’n, I love it all, “feed me Seymour!” Lol ha ha...

Been listen’n & enjoying my, ‘Fillmore West 1969’ boxset, my favorite boxset Release to date, for now...
peace be with you all my fellow brothers & sisters. Long live the Grateful Dead! 🙏❤️💀

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 06:18

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high fidelity would mean that the shows were recorded to reel to reel.

2-track or multi-track recordings or both. That should narrow it down a bit.

Edit:

Looks like it's Betty Boards from '76 along with 7/18/76.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 08:49

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First off, let the guy hang here without projecting his comments as clues. Okay, but because his subject line was about our patiently waiting -- a kind but total mis-read, this place is getting hot -- I put my naivete aside and join the speculation.

I don't have much, and he leaves us wondering if he's taunting about DaP 31 or the new box, but...

"every once in a while" could be completed as "get shown the light," a reference to Scarlet Begonias? "Under the bed" (no one puts their GD CDs on the floor under the bed, Bolo has book and CD shelves) ... probably means something. And "til the morning comes" could be a reference to when Morning Dew arrives. (Any shows with Scarlet and Dew?) Also, his line breaks are suspicious -- inviting a naive idjit like me to seek a pattern.

Goddammit Bolo, ya got me going again. Well played!

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Submitted by nappyrags on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:04

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from underneath a bedroom cabinet and it has my Download series CD's ...I had lost the files due to an HD crash so yes yes and yes...threw Vol 12 disc 2 in and had a great listen to St Louis '69...cracked up hearing Jerry say "Ok we have to stop playing or the police will take our road manager to jail..." at the end of an aborted "Caution"...also the bonus stuff at the end of the show is a rehearsal of The Eleven & Duprees recorded at the Avalon...have to star ripping these discs back to a couple of externals I use now, 8 TB both...some fun

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:33

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Never in a million years would I have thought that some folks might construe my latest post to be some sort of clue regarding the identity of a box set or DaP31. My apologies, as I'd NEVER want to mislead, confuse or otherwise discombobulate any of the kind souls here on this forum (cough...cough).

But, of course, the post was a clue. Not for the aforementioned products people are breathlessly anticipating, but for a "What's Taking So Dang Long?" contest. Something to do as we all mill aimlessly around while DL casually looks at his watch and ponders the summertime flora and fauna of Vancouver Island.

A careful read of my last entry will reveal a specific venue and associated concert(s). The first person to post the correct answer will receive an assortment of GD-related goodies valued at more than $100, but less than $1 million. As a bonus, if you can name the song that was played for the first time at said show(s), I'll throw in some extra ephemera.

Only one guess per screen name (no screen names created after July 1, 2019). Just post your conjecture here, and the earliest correct answer will get the goods.

Cheers and good luck!

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Submitted by RichardTorres on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:56

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Oooh...

I think it's Harding Theater, November 7, 1971 (and the previous night).

I wish I could hide away!

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Submitted by RoosSQ on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 10:10

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Long time listener. First Time caller.

Going with:

06/03-04/76

Oregon - Paramount Theater

Mission in The Rain on 06/04

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Submitted by perithecat on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 11:07

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I’m going to say the same answer as RoosSQ
However you’ll notice that my screen name was created before July 1st .
( happy to share my winnings though )

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 11:08

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I'm guessing the full Fillmore East run from 9/17/70-9/20/70, since "Till the Morning Comes" was first played on 9/18.
Though I could be wrong.
I mean, I usually am.
Until I'm not.
But even then just barely.
I'd dig a '76 box, but "September 70: Fillmore East the Complete Recordings" is my official guess.
Officially.

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 12:24

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12/26/70
12/27/70
12/28/70
Till the Morning Comes
1st time played
09/18/70
Last time played
12/26/70

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Submitted by RV3 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 12:38

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Everyone is guessing dates from 1970 for DaP #31 with the "Til the Morning Comes Line"....I seriously doubt it is from 1970, that's what DaP #30 was from!!?!!

Perhaps it's the Harding Theatre..

The Felt Forum is tucked away under MSG and sort of hidden in the bowels of the NY Subway. Not that I have ever gotten a single one of the bolo riddles so far...….

If we can believe Bolo.. this is not a clue to the next release, which probably means it will be Dave's Picks 31.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 16:20

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It will be announced tomorrow and will be one of the 4th of July shows.

In my best Colbert voice,,,,, send me award!

Are they for the Box Set or DaP31? Or both?

Predictions:
DaP31 - 6/3/76 Paramount Theater - Portland, Or.
5 songs make their debut/1st performance:
1. Might As Well (opener)
2. Lazy Lightnin' >
3. Supplication (both middle of 1st set)
4. Samson And Delilah (2nd set opener)
5. The Wheel (encore)

I know it's not a favorite but I think this show has my favorite version of 'Looks Like Rain'…BW and DJG are spot-on with vocals and harmonies as JG 'rains' notes around them.

Box Set:
Texas '72 - 11/19, 11/22, 11/24, 11/26. Rhino needs to hit a home run with this one…the last thing they need is another box set sitting in their warehouse. If that happens we may only see box sets every 2 years?

Box Set Dark Horse:
December '69: 12/20, 12/21, 12/26, 12/28-12/31. Includes the legendary Ark run. It would also be the 1st time Rhino tied a Box Set and a DaP together: last shows of '69 and the 1st shows of '70.

I have no idea if the shows are in the vault but it would be a win-win either way!

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:08

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He said "under the bed" and what is under the bed? Box spring and flip it would mean a spring box (set). Or mabey not. I had to guess something. Talk about a shot in the dark.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:21

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Why the fuggazi isn’t this show released?
Have never heard the Bob set, but if it’s Half as good as the JGB one with none other than Billy the K on the skins......

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Submitted by Cactus_Jack on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:57

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Harding

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 20:36

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Sheesh. This contest was over almost before it started!

Congrats to Richard Torres, correctly guessing the Harding Theatre, two 1971 shows, Hide Away made its GD debut.

Send me your address via PM and I'll get you your box o' goodies. Unless you're the same Richard Torres from the NSA who oversaw the implantation of an evil minibot on my cerebral cortex during my first alien abduction. If you're that guy, forget I was even on here.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 23:15

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Also i predict new box is portchester nov70 with pristine complete 48 track recording

And bonus show 11 20 70

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Submitted by perithecat on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 23:35

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FYI all the nov 7th 1971 Harding show has been available on amazon now quite a while now ( in the uk anyway ) . Pleeeeaaaasssseeee can we have a uk/Europe distribution centre , otherwise any large box is a no no on account of getting absolutely stuffed with import tax . 🙀

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/04/2019 - 00:37

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It's cool shit like that that keeps me coming back...n

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