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    Hold on to your hat, we're coming in strong with one from the Windy City that'll have you movin' and shakin' from start to finish. DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 signals a true rebirth of the Grateful Dead, reimagining classics and foreshadowing their 80s sound. This is as much in part due to freshly-minted member Brent Mydland bringing the organ back in as it is to Jerry finding new vivacity with his custom Wolf guitar. New guy, new guitar - it all makes for a heck of a good time!

    Set One rolls like never-ending thunder with one standout after another - truly epic versions of "Brown-Eyed Women," "Ramble On Rose," "It's All Over Now," "Althea," and "The Music Never Stopped." Set Two hits with a crack of not-so-lazy lightning, barreling through an outrageous 28-minute "Scarlet>Fire" to a unique “Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance” and wrapping with a "blow the roof off the place" version of "Truckin'" and a rippin' "Johnny B. Goode." Ready for some quiet after the storm? You'll have to wait a just a little bit longer - we've filled in the gap on Disc 3 with a sprinkle of 12/4/79 - "Estimated>Franklin's Tower>" and an incredibly improvised “Jam.”

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 has been mastered from Dan Healy's cassette recordings to HDCD specs by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering.

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    Just got my "it's on its way" email from dead.net...hopefully a weekend spin

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    JiminMD, cracked up when I read your 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag analogy regarding the recording capacity of the cassette, found myself laughing out loud, or lol as the kids say.

    Carlo13, did you ever get your coffee plant situation sorted out? After reading your post, I checked sources of seeds and I would say it is likely that there are some coffee or tea plants in my future. I currently have an avocado tree in my living room that is about 3-4 feet tall that I started from a seed about 3 years ago on a lark, and a sprawling lemon tree that is about 2-3 feet tall that I also started from seed a few years ago. Seeds from produce, not sourced separately. Cool hobby. I also have a Hawaiian shefflera plant that is probably between 25-30 years old and is probably about 6 feet across from edge to edge. That was from a cutting that came with a floral arrangement. Fun with botany.

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    Also that fact on jerry saying that they did not know how to care for the masters was poinent. Showing that being young and reckless has it down side. Hindsight is 20/20. MAN!! P.S. It really makes sense that a lot of live music fitting onto a small source is problematic in a lot of ways.

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    Jim, that makes a lot of sense. We all know how cassettes can last a long time but degrade over that same amount of time even though you probably would not notice 20 years later, obviously. I think you're right on the multi- Dolby choices over time. A cluster fuck for the guy doing the mastering. Thanks for the good analogy.

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    It's because it's a cassette master.

    I know this makes no sense, but the best wording I can think is.. it's like putting 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag.

    The sound in went to 11, but the cassette master could only playback at 5.

    Also, I get the feeling that two other forces are at work, but have no proof.. so consider it hearsay. I bet the cassette masters got played more than the reels and were not treated as a source masters in quite the same way and the reel to reels were.., I mean everyone had a cassette player.. so each time it gets played before Mr. Norman gets to it, add just a little hiss. Also, and again.. I have no proof.. but it could be there is only so much you can do to restore the sound quality of these cassettes.. so not all the bells, whistles and mastering tricks were available to our sorcerers that make shit sound good. I could be talking out of my ass here, if so someone who knows better please correct me. But it could be more care and attention goes into the process when more care and attention went into the source recording. If that makes any sense.

    The Charlie Miller remasters of cassette sourced shows seem to sound exactly as good as Dave's Picks or 30 trips shows (sometimes better). Just my opinion, I could be wrong.. Charlie has a way to make these things sound better. His first show was in 79, perhaps he has a few tricks up his sleeve that he keeps to himself. Not sure.

    I have said this before, and HendrixFreak eluded to it earlier this week.. I have seen enough shows where the sound there was by far superior to the best recordings that have surfaced. I suspect in some of the Betty recorded shows the sound on the master reel might sound better than it did in the arena?? The knife might cut both ways.

    One more point.. many of these shows were recorded using Dolby A, Dolby B, Dolby C, Dobby from Harry Potter, who knows what.. and playing it back using a different noise reduction technology is a freaking nightmare. So imagine sorting out this mess? In the immortal words of JimInMD, just say no to Dolby (and yes to Dobby. If anyone can talk you down from a bad trip, it's Dobby from Harry Potter - trust me on this).

    Hope that reply wasn't out of line, I am in no way a critic, just another rabid fan, very appreciative of all the efforts that go into making this stuff sound as good as it possibly can.

    In summary, cassette masters = bad, reel to reel or multi-track recorded by a qualified artist = good.

    Goodness... I sincerely hope I didn't make any enemies in my opinions above. As always, I reserve the right to be face planted firmly in the mud or snow wrong.

    One thing to prove my point.. listen to Morning Dew from the Original Europe 72 with either a great system or with great headphones.. then listen to the Morning Dew from 5/25/72 from the E72 box.. during the quiet moments really crank it. On the original you get absolutely no hiss. On the box set mastered 39 years later you get some hiss, it's there. It's because those source tapes a) were old and b) were played a bunch between then and now. Each play = just a little more hiss.

    The same is true on the Anthem of the Sun Masters, Garcia and Lesh played the shit out of them while making the masters for the original LP and the source material was never the same.. Garcia is quoted on I think From Anthem to Beauty saying something like.. we didn't know how to treat the masters and when we were finally finished it didn't sound the same, it sounded "muddy" or something like that. Lesson learned, an expensive lesson at that.

    Sorry to pontificate...

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    I do not really know how mastering or remastering is done but why the hiss in the background on DAP 31? Is this something that can not be altered or removed? It must not be because it would seem obvious to remove it. It is not a big deal to me but it's something I always wondered about.

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    (it's good that I am not the only one in the room that forgets.. well.. just about anything).

    http://www.agitators.com/gd/dick_1973.html

    Some interesting notes from Dick on 1973. I read this like a decade ago and it stuck with me.. high praise for 4/2/73, and rightfully so. He spoke highly of Dicks Picks 14 too, although somehow rationalized chop-jobbing these shows.

    Any pick that both starts and ends with Morning Dew is certain to grab my attention. I do think the CD's sound a bit muddy to my ears though.. is it that was early in Jeffrey's tenure or was it that the masters got played too many times before he got to them, perhaps the Boston Garden gave us a muddy sound or perhaps it simply wasn't recorded that well.. I love the release, don't get me wrong but it is not as crisp as some of the later releases. Perhaps this one would do well getting remastered again and given the full show treatment.

    After perhaps 50, maybe more listens.. it's the Playing in the Band > Jam on disc 4 that resonates with me. Holy shit batman.. that's wowwow stuff.

    Anyway.. right on Charlie.. it's no wonder this came in so early in the release schedule and I believe it was the last Dicks Picks released while Dick was still alive.

    I knew the originator of Agitators way back when.. He's a big Phish fan now. I think he hung out with Dick at some sort of Cape Cod Dicks Picks 14 release party at a GD bar of sorts.. and Dick was super stoked wondering what it will take, and could this be the one that sold a million copies or some sort of hyperbole like that. Now we realize 20k is a decent run for this type of archival releases. I think this got written up on one of those agitator blogs, perhaps it's buried in here somewhere.

    Cheers to 1973. One of my favorite years to be sure.

    Sorry for the ramble...

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    ...how good DP14 (11/30/73 & 12/2/73) is. Gave that a spin today and that Dark Star>Eyes really hit the spot.

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Hold on to your hat, we're coming in strong with one from the Windy City that'll have you movin' and shakin' from start to finish. DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 signals a true rebirth of the Grateful Dead, reimagining classics and foreshadowing their 80s sound. This is as much in part due to freshly-minted member Brent Mydland bringing the organ back in as it is to Jerry finding new vivacity with his custom Wolf guitar. New guy, new guitar - it all makes for a heck of a good time!

Set One rolls like never-ending thunder with one standout after another - truly epic versions of "Brown-Eyed Women," "Ramble On Rose," "It's All Over Now," "Althea," and "The Music Never Stopped." Set Two hits with a crack of not-so-lazy lightning, barreling through an outrageous 28-minute "Scarlet>Fire" to a unique “Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance” and wrapping with a "blow the roof off the place" version of "Truckin'" and a rippin' "Johnny B. Goode." Ready for some quiet after the storm? You'll have to wait a just a little bit longer - we've filled in the gap on Disc 3 with a sprinkle of 12/4/79 - "Estimated>Franklin's Tower>" and an incredibly improvised “Jam.”

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 has been mastered from Dan Healy's cassette recordings to HDCD specs by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering.

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....just talking out my ass but....

10/74; you’d think they’d wait for the 50th? Remarket etc...
Fall 72: do they have multis from this tour? Think winds is right about multi/plangent....I think we all agree that would be a Bobbie Dazzler though!
Alpine: seems too small. If he’s that busy makes it sound big!
Perhaps fall 89, but don’t think they’d go with a big one from that tour yet? Personally would love this!
Fall 80 is a possibility IF, they actually have the multis? Personally hope not...great stuff but kinda limited/repetitive imho for a biggin.....meaning not sure they’d sell enough for the big production costs?
Summer 91; my dog sense keeps coming back to this because they have multis, it’s something different i.e “variety” , they haven’t done much post Brentski, and it’s the muatm show, which is why I’m thinking that’s partially why their waiting to announce; to coincide with the muatm....might be anticlimactic otherwise.....don’t know 91 well enough to know if there are enough quality shows for a big box? Do know there are some great shows, just don’t know if there are enough?
73/74; too soon after PNW....and are there multis from this period?
69; think many would dig 69, but perhaps not enough to chance a big box? which brings us to...
Spring 71; personally my least interest out of the above, but there are multis, there’s enough shows, and there are a whole lot of folks been yammering for this one for ages!

So I’m going with 71 or 91.

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not according to the misses lol...
I agree about size does not equal greatness, i.e. Sunshine Daydream, but I’m stuck on his comments about Norman’s work load/hours etc...said they’ve been on this one for a while and as others said only other times he’s had to pass on releases was when he was trenched in on a big un! Throw in the plangent equals multi and I’m guessing a big one?
But hey, my opinion and a couple bucks might get ya a gas station coffee! ; )

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This is a nice pick. Not only is it from the Brent era, it features many of the songs from their upcoming album Go to Heaven as well.

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The rumor mill states this year's box set will be Giants Stadium shows from late 80s/early 90s.

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I'm with Phil. Fall 72. Would also jive with bolo's hanoi jane clue.

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How do I update address (for subscription)? Customer Service number on site doesn't seem to get me anywhere, not serviceable or something.

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Set List looks like fun.

But with Lazy Lightning/ Supplication AND Lost Sailor/ St. of Circumstance, let the kvetching begin.

As to any box: Exactly, any box is fine with me. Weekend with Bruce or Branford, the Greek, Frost, or Ventura.
The possibilities are, well, not endless. But virtually endless for my lifetime.

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Dave said Jeff was working six days a week.

This is gonna be a Big 'Uns or it has video and had to have surround mix which would take longer.

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Ls>soc? That can be fun.
I remember a special day listening to that from 3/10/81...oh yeah...

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Nice Pic, late 79 was a great year w/ brent and the Band rockin in the fall tours (like cap cod 79)
But still don't get the lack of 83-85 shows. Especially the lack of 1984! For example the Philly 1984 3 night spring run 4/19/84 4/20/84 4/21/84 all are amazing and tight well played!!! Don't believe me listen to estimated Prophet on 4/19/84. Dave listen to it! you'll be surprised Lol.

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Looks like my ticket went through for address change, found a working customer service #. I need #31 to land herself safely home, love that show!

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I can't get back to the DP31 page, just the separate comments page. Wanted to check out that cover again - boy is that T-Shirt worthy!!!

Hope you feel better VGuy! Just got GL11 today, hopefully my vinyl FW 2/28 arrives at the record store manana!

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I was there - still have the ticket with the outrageous price of $9.50!

The last 2 shows I saw before this one were with Keith and Donna and neither show was very good in my book. So when they came out with Brent it was time to give the new guy a chance. The energy level was through the roof and this still ranks among my favorite shows (that I attended) ever. Seemed as if everybody was ON that night.

The Uptown was a great venue and last time I saw them before they moved to larger arenas - the good old days!

Highly recommended - and thanks, Dave!

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Dave also said they spent quite a bit of time on the DaP that was Dec '81 Boulder. And though I attended that show and did my (or more than my) share of tootskie and enjoyed it immensely -- I mean, IMMENSELY!!! -- I thought the tape did not support my, um, perceptions at the show.

So again, not sure that Jeffrey being real busy equates to a huge box. Still, when all is said, I'll be at MUATM on time, with shooters in my socks and PAX packed, ready for the news.

Look, what the hell could they be thinking? I couldn't afford 30 Trips, so I kicked in for my buddy's copy and he keeps it, but shared with me. I only wanted the first 10 years anyway.

How about: "Dave Lemieux's Fifteen and a Half Trips around the Moon?" (I mean it's the landing anniversary this weekend. )

Or: Bolo's Big Box of Indecipherable "Clues"? Also available on vinyl (tableclothes)...

Or: a 45-disc set dubbed "HendrixFreak's Worst Nightmare" (all from 1985-86).

Back to wishing and washing: give me spring '71 or fall '72 pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!

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What a pick. New era and cool cover art. So much for the 3rd Dap being "Meh". Love it!!!

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....I try not to bring up this band from Vermont very often here, but I would be amiss if I didn't at least share it. 38 minutes of dips, about faces, peaks and valleys. At least six different themes. Simply incredible. Faces were melted. Drool happened. Music is universal. What a jam.
https://youtu.be/zxytYVzQWzk

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Did all 20,00 copies sell today? The site wouldn't accept my mailing address earlier today and when I came back to the computer to try again it was sold out. very disappointing. And if that's it, will it be available digitally?

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No digit. On any Daps. P.S. Early bird coming up before last Dap of year. I think.

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I'm a little nervous about the sound quality here. The listening party ain't too hot. As much as I want some quality 79-80, I'd I'd rather have something that sounds good when I turn it up.

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Come on man this is ridiculous. I just got my email notice today about the release of this show and it's f**k*n sold out already!! Dave finally releases a worthy show from his lackluster selections of late. In case you were wondering, there are so many more [especially old heads] who want an opportunity to have this release.
So, please reconsider releasing additional copies!! Gratefully requesting

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Was overseas and didn't get the subscription. Damn it. I'd suck a room full of _____ for a copy of this.

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They have to go with what they have. If they went with only pristine sound or betty's then Daps would end not to far into the future. IMHO.

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Criterion at barnes and noble 50% off on criterion. Just to let you know.

Why do we have to say it every time?

Also, it was announced last week in the GD Bulletin that it would go on sale today at 10 am PST.

You know that annoying yellow box that keeps popping up? “Get on the list”

That box knows what it’s talking about.
The ‘list’ is how we knew last week that DaP31 was being announced at 10 am PST 2019-07-16.

But if you subscribed it wouldn’t matter.

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Thanks for the reply Carlo. I'm very disappointed.

The site wouldn't accept my shipping address (and I've ordered many things from dead.net). I had this on my calendar and I tried when there were still copies available this morning, with credit card and paypal, with "same as billing" and with "shipping entered manually". Then with a second browser. When I came back to my computer this evening to try again it was sold out. Such a shame. Not the first time I've had issues with the site

Got them on CD-R about 15 years ago.
3rd and 4th are listed as lineage: Mcass/DAT/CD-R.
5th doesn’t have a lineage and is missing 2 songs, and has splices in 2 other songs. Dave said that he could see the 5th being released in the future. That would be grate if they have the complete show.

Spinning 12/3 set 2 now and it sounds pretty good for a cassette. Hope the mastering kicks it up a notch.

I would love a massive Box, with delivery at the end of September and all fall/winter to soak it up.

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You guys are really going the wrong way! I attended 238 shows and have bought multiple copies of almost everything The Grateful Dead have ever released and yet I am beginning to feel that loyalty is becoming more and more a one-way street.

Who the hell is running this train? What business strategy dictates that you alienate your customers? Did you guys hire that genius who came up with the idea of "New Coke" or something? If I were one of your stockholders, I would be furious that you were urinating away unsatisfied demand AND infuriating your customer base.

Hopefully, it is just incompetence. If you are selling out a product with immense economies of scale AND significant sunk costs in 4 hours, you need to hire someone with a much greater grasp on demand forecasting! You can do better. You are the Grateful Dead for Pete's sake.

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If you need an ala cart you need to be there waiting for the screen to flip, then you might have a chance.Otherwise like icecream says sub. Sub. Sub. So you don't cry,cry,cry.

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....it's been the business model for six plus years. Just subscribe. November.
btw. Casey Jones is running the train.
Beating a Dead horse.

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SOLD OUT!!!!

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How to wave goodbye without using your hands.- George carlin.

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Longer than any in recent memory. That said, agree with vguy, this is a subscription series, no real room for complaints.

A big thank you to "the-powers-that-be" for releasing this show.

Please, folks lets not have complaints about this Dave's Picks sounding murky or lower fidelity. "Consumer quality."
The analog cassettes were good music carriers, but they weren't top-notch high fidelity in comparison to the compact disc. That less-than-perfect dynamic range, headroom, tape speed hiss, and tape generations were all downsides. I have this show on cassette and if I pull it out to compare it to the DaP31, it couldn't compare, it probably is an 8th generation copy.

So with that aside, this DaP31 will sound like I'm listening to the original master cassette recording, not even a 2nd generation copy. Quite a long time ago, I read what brand of tape and formulation of tape was used and the brand and model of recording deck was used.

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Well, there is every right to complain. I was on the subscription before and I was disappointed with some of the selections in the series! Soooo, I don't particularly care to spend the money for the series and pay money for discs I don't want. All I am saying, some would say I am complaining [whatever], is that there are so many heads out there who just want to get a chance to buy a f**k*n show without paying into a subscription! If you do a pre-order then you know how many discs to rip and there are no worries about being stuck with any unsold discs. I'm just saying...

I believe they gave all the Multi-Tracks they had to give in the Spring.

The longshot is 12/31/72 which was broadcasted on KSAN, San Francisco. I don't think it's unheard for them to bring in a multi-track recorder for radio broadcasts.. but I just don't think they did for this one. I reserve the right to be wrong, however.. If anyone has better info please do tell.

I am sorry some got shut out on this today. Honestly I thought there would have still been copies through tonight.

Initially these have not been selling too high above the ala carte pricing on the secondary market.. so if you got shut out look on eBay sometime in August. Consider the $10 or so extra you paid to be the hedge against the $95 it costs to subscribe.

The Road Trips Series was non-numbered and they had a hard time with it. It's been like this for almost eight years, and I don't see things changing because this works better for them.. Predictable revenue and costs and it does get people off their butts to purchase by the release date (if not before).

I wouldn't expect #'s 32 and beyond to be any different. Again, truly sorry for those that got shut out.

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Good post by Born Cross Eyed on the cassette master issue. I used to be pretty psyched with any cassettes of live dead that I could get in the '80s, and what I could get was few and far between. I would never have believed the sonic riches that dead.net would release.

I know that you can't judge a show by its set list, but this set list looks hot. I am particularly looking forward to checking out the Scarlet-Fire as I am partial to some of those '80s FOTMs. If past predicts future, then I can safely say that my brain will quickly adjust to the sound quality without being distracted and I will dig the release for what it is rather than pine away for what it is not. This also gives me hope that we might see some summer '85 releases down the road even if they are also cassette masters. (SPAC '85 SPAC '85 SPAC '85).

The cover art on this one also looks wicked cool, as I think someone else noted, it would make a good shirt. Love the fiery dragon motif to go along with that extended FOTM.

I'm trying to raise some scratch for the box set that's coming our way soon. Seeing that I've got these on cd's I guess I really don't need these on vinyl as well. Anyone interested feel free to drop me a PM and then post a message for me to check my PM.
11-10-1967 Shrine Exposition Hall~Los Angeles,Ca. 3LP set. 180gram
Dicks Picks Vol. 34 11-5-1977 6LP set. 180gram
...both are new and still in their shrink-wrap. Never been opened.
Drop me a line...

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All this excitement has me heading down the the music room for a little 11/30/79 sound board action...whoa, got this one on tape "hot off the presses" right after it came out. My bet on Dave's 32 is a post-Brent, because Dave wants to have one of each with the different keyboard players...yer thoughts. Bring on the Megabox!!!

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