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    Hold on to your hat, we're coming in strong with one from the Windy City that'll have you movin' and shakin' from start to finish. DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 signals a true rebirth of the Grateful Dead, reimagining classics and foreshadowing their 80s sound. This is as much in part due to freshly-minted member Brent Mydland bringing the organ back in as it is to Jerry finding new vivacity with his custom Wolf guitar. New guy, new guitar - it all makes for a heck of a good time!

    Set One rolls like never-ending thunder with one standout after another - truly epic versions of "Brown-Eyed Women," "Ramble On Rose," "It's All Over Now," "Althea," and "The Music Never Stopped." Set Two hits with a crack of not-so-lazy lightning, barreling through an outrageous 28-minute "Scarlet>Fire" to a unique “Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance” and wrapping with a "blow the roof off the place" version of "Truckin'" and a rippin' "Johnny B. Goode." Ready for some quiet after the storm? You'll have to wait a just a little bit longer - we've filled in the gap on Disc 3 with a sprinkle of 12/4/79 - "Estimated>Franklin's Tower>" and an incredibly improvised “Jam.”

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 has been mastered from Dan Healy's cassette recordings to HDCD specs by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering.

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    hoping it's something in the 4-6 show range. Those are always fun and (relatively) affordable for what you're getting. As cool as it would be to get a set from the 60s, I would prefer something from when the band was more evolved. I'd love a box set from the late 80s but I'm guessing there isn't a chance in hell that's happening. Regardless, I'll love it like I do all the shows in my collection - c'mon Dave, the anticipation is killing me!

    have a great weekend everyone, and if you're an east-coaster like me, stay cool!

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    The biggest difference I felt between the free festivals of the mid-late 70s and the festivals of today, as experienced by me in 1999 ( which is almost today to me) is that there was a frisson of danger at the free festivals in the 70s. They were staged by seemingly fully unpaid up members of the anti establishment, and the crowd was made up of people who appeared to live in tents all the year round. They hadn't really "dropped out"-they had never been "in" in the first place Add to that various biker gangs, and latterly punks, and you had quite an interesting combination of people. Add all sorts of psychedelics, space cakes, speed, strong cider.. and see what happens. This is what Glastonbury was like when I went in 1978-about 500 people were there, I think. I really felt as though I had left civilisation behind for a few days.

    Nowadays Glastonbury Festival is screened live on mainstream television, and is as much a part of the establishment entertainment industry as the Wimbledon tennis competition. In short, the festival scene was taken over by the establishment and sold back at an exorbitant price.

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    Someone mentioned the difference between the barbarity of early festivals (my choice of words) and today's festivals.

    Here's a contrast for ya. 9 June 73, RFK, probably 100+ degrees, a couple of hard to find water fountains for every 10,000 people, maybe 25,000-30,000 people in the crowd. No idea if any food was sold because we had like $2 in our pockets. T-shirt, jeans, sneakers, blotter and aviator shades was it, if I recall.

    Between RFK and Watkins Glen 6-7 weeks later, Bill Graham apparently realized that 10s of 1000s of badly dehydrated fans, with expiration dates tatooed on their foreheads, was bad for business. Maybe he even felt a twinge of responsibility. But he upgraded the, um, concert experience....

    So when we streamed into the Watkins Glen concert site (they waved me through with my ticket, which I promptly handed through the fence to someone trying to get in) Bill had giant palettes of gallon jugs of water waiting for us. The jugs were cool to the touch! We each grabbed one and literally that's how we stayed alive for the next two days. On Friday evening we were laying out on our sleeping bags, using the jugs as pillows, when the ABB, then the Band, then the GD did soundchecks. Cool evening, laying on a sleeping bag within 50-60 feet of the stage on Jer's side, passing the pipe, while the GD unloaded a 2-hour soundcheck on us. Good times.

    When we woke up, someone was passing around one of those mini-cereal boxes piled high with brown mescaline and we all had a good snort for breakfast. Topped it off with a half of a four-way blotter and at freakin' NOON the GD were on the stage, looking as bewildered as we were. to be there, then. I tried not to look back much, because it was people in every direction as far as the eye could see. Easier on the brain just to watch the bands.

    To return to my now obscure point, Bill Graham upgraded the festival experience with ... jugs of water. To my knowledge, there was no food for sale except the enterprising hippies themselves. (Think refried beans on a tortilla -- the original veggie burrito.) Oh, one clear memory: a food truck in the parking area, with side window open and scale in sight, selling multiple types of dope like a freakin' ice cream truck. We hung out for a while (didn't need supplies) just because it was so fun to see it all out in the open. I do not recall seeing any cops for days. Everyone seemed to realize that putting those three bands together was a major event and all were so pleased that, in fact, strangers were stopping strangers just to shake their hand. That was new.

    Today, food, drink, bathrooms, chairs... and I STILL WOULD NOT GO EVEN IF PAID!!

    Glad I went when I did as a 15-year-old with 3-4 buddies, we hitchhiked hundreds of miles to get there and back. Enjoyed it all then, but never again. Red Rocks and 9,999 of my friends is the best I can do, maybe twice each year.

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    Well, I am super happy about this latest installment of Dave's Picks. I was definitely on board with a 1979 show as I was calling for ti like many others. I too was hoping for 12/1, but I would lime to see that released with 11/30 as they are both from the Stanley Theater. The format fits the second Dave's PIcks in the year when we get the bonus disc which would have to be next year's subscription. I don't see that happening, however I could be wrong. Hopefully they both will see an official release one day in some format.

    However I am still excited for this show -12/3. I am not familiar with it, so that makes it better. As Dave stated in his seaside chat, the fall of 1979 has many great shows. I love the New Year's Eve run, and every other show I have heard has been good. And as Dave also stated, they really were stretching songs out. Brent really brought so much to the band and it is evident in this tour. I haven't listened to too many 1980 shows, but I do think there was a slight drop off (I am not speaking of acoustic sets) when compared to the The fall of 1979. Certainly 1980 is not a bad year in my opinion it just seems like they didn't stretch things out as much as they did in the fall of 1979. Again I might be wrong and I am happy if I am. Its all good.

    As for the box, I am buying it - don't care what it is. As a carry over from the DaP 30 comments section, I just got my July 1978 box so I am working through that. That along with DaP 31 will keep me busy until I get the new box. Now with the possibility of video, if that is indeed the case, I am inclined to think it would be in the 87-95 time frame as others have said. . However it could be any old available footage from older shows and the then CDs of the shows themselves. A few of you mentioned 6/21/71- which would be cool. That show has really cool Hard to Handle. Also they did film stuff for the closing of the Fillmore West (7/2/71) so there is that as a possibility. My other long shot would be more film from the Festival Express in 1970. Sam Cutler has uploaded footage from that trip that has Lovelight from one of the stadium shows. There is also film from the free show the boys did to avoid the riots to get in the main event. Maybe there is a stash of this footage that is going to be released. It is certainly fun to speculate.

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    The Eyes of the World from this show was just posted on youtube on the grateful dead channel. If anyone is interested

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    JimImMd you are spot on!I…

    JimImMd you are spot on!

    I’ve been listening to DiP31 ( “shoes suede shoes “ 😂!)the past couple of days, on Spotify but I’ve been doing some digging looking for a reasonable price for me and no luck...:( but on the upside it’s box release day for me hopefully and my July 78 box set will be waiting for me!

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    There are a few people on this site that know what the box is ..
    I bought my tickets last night, $16 a piece for me and a buddy.
    If you are looking for examples of 91 Dead check out View from the Vault 2, June 14, 1991. Good bonus material from 1990. Close to the date of this year's MUATM release. Do you like accordions?
    And Dick's 17, from 91. This one doesn't get a lot of play at my house.

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    7/13/76

    Orpheum box?

    prolly not (we've already got 7/17/76)

    Greek. It's gotta be Greek to me.

    Greek box! Greek box! Greek box!

    or

    Ark box! Ark box! Ark box!

    My own versions of Yellow Dog story:

    what does a dosed frog say?

    "Greeeeeek.....Greeeeeeeek.......Greeeeeeeeek...."

    what does a dosed dog say?

    "ARK!!! ARK!!! ARK!!!"

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    Wha'...?

    12/31/69
    12/31/72
    12/31/76 (luckily, I've already got one)
    12/31/77
    12/31/78 (luckily, I've already got one)
    12/31/81
    12/31...well, still...

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    I am not sure but suspect most of the fall 91 shows were likely recorded as two track DAT's. Does anyone have any better info on this? If so, it might make more sense to test the 91 waters by adding a show or two to the Dave's Picks series.

    I get the feeling this years box might be hard for us to guess, it doesn't sound like it fits the mold for previous boxes.

    I delved into the oft overlooked Dicks Picks 31, August 4 and 5, 1974 (Philly and NJ). What an underrated release.. I have always loved it. I was just rolling off a relisten to Dicks Picks 12 recorded a little more than month earlier which gave me a great opportunity to compare and contrast. I really dig these shows and since it's the last listened to, it's clearly the better of the two. :D

    Anyway, great pick and a very good recording. That opening PITB at just under 26 minutes is sublime.

    Have a great weekend all. Don't forget to hydrate.

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Hold on to your hat, we're coming in strong with one from the Windy City that'll have you movin' and shakin' from start to finish. DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 signals a true rebirth of the Grateful Dead, reimagining classics and foreshadowing their 80s sound. This is as much in part due to freshly-minted member Brent Mydland bringing the organ back in as it is to Jerry finding new vivacity with his custom Wolf guitar. New guy, new guitar - it all makes for a heck of a good time!

Set One rolls like never-ending thunder with one standout after another - truly epic versions of "Brown-Eyed Women," "Ramble On Rose," "It's All Over Now," "Althea," and "The Music Never Stopped." Set Two hits with a crack of not-so-lazy lightning, barreling through an outrageous 28-minute "Scarlet>Fire" to a unique “Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance” and wrapping with a "blow the roof off the place" version of "Truckin'" and a rippin' "Johnny B. Goode." Ready for some quiet after the storm? You'll have to wait a just a little bit longer - we've filled in the gap on Disc 3 with a sprinkle of 12/4/79 - "Estimated>Franklin's Tower>" and an incredibly improvised “Jam.”

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 31: UPTOWN THEATRE, CHICAGO, IL 12/3/79 has been mastered from Dan Healy's cassette recordings to HDCD specs by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering.

GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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Submitted by Rosebud up on … on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 16:55

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Currently spinning Alabama Getaway after a lengthy import process (no track names unfortunately). However, the act of typing in the song names made me realize there are a heck of a lot of tracks with the ">" at the end - usually a good sign in my book!
I had listened to RoadTrips 1.1 earlier today while working from home to get in the mood and so far this is sounding "better" in terms of both tape quality and playing. Brent is loud-and-clear in the mix. Dick's 31 was a face-melter, lets hope Dave's 31 is too!

Play Dead Y'all

...about that box set that's coming our way soon (I hope)...I've been setting my pennies aside for the Allman Bros at Fillmore West and Orchestral Favorites by Frank Zappa so I dunno...unless of course it's something in my wheelhouse like The Ark as has been wished for...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 17:52

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I don't see how I can make the movies this year... none close. Which means they have to announce the box set some other way also.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 18:31

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Did this 74 charge just start on DAP 31 in the UK? What was the shipping charge before the increase? Thanks.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 18:44

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i GOT that show today

Wow

....buts there's JGB Bread In My Breadbox. Prime Jerry. Rinse & Repeat. Nailed It!! Definitely Danceable.
Or Shuffleable. That's how my wife describes my bodily movements.
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Submitted by Charlie3 on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 19:48

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I am still expecting that they will make an announcement via email and on dead.net shortly after the movie, maybe the same night, maybe the next day.

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Submitted by RobbZ on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 20:38

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Arrived home from work this evening to find the little gem tucked safely inside my mailbox...kind of unexpected--tracking said Monday---anyway, going to be a great weekend! Hope everyone waiting gets their soon.

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Submitted by RobbZ on Fri, 07/26/2019 - 20:50

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...and Vegas is my 2nd home. I attend most of my concerts down there, I bootleg my booze in Mesquite on the way home at Lee's Discount Liquor, and I'm a huge Knights Fan! 68 days until puck drop......

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....I like the way you think. Ever since The Golden Knights came upon the scene, every other sport gets a backseat. Even my shitty Dolphins.
VGK gets shotgun. VegasBorn.
There are hockey fans lurking here....

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 00:23

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Did this 74 charge just start on DAP 31 in the UK? What was the shipping charge before the increase? Thanks.

The previous DaP issues have arrived from Europe. Presumably they have been bulk shipped to a distribution point and then posted out. Since the UK is still in the EU, for the moment, no customs charges apply to a relatively cheap item so they are delivered with no charge. Larger box sets can attract charges of c. 20% of the item price with a handling fee, this fee is not always charged so some box sets are delivered free and others can attract a charge it depends upon the diligence of the customs on that day. The most I can remember paying is under £30 and that was for one of the big boxes, perhaps the complete Europe tour. So £73 for a triple cd is ridiculous.

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Submitted by phantomengineer on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 01:28

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Just checked my e-mail, not thinking I'd already have received a reply to my 'fizzed off' e-mail.

His reply reads: "Thank you for your email.

I am very sorry to hear that you are being charged a delivery fee, for your copy of Dave's Picks Volume 31.

I have brought this issue to the attention of our warehouse and our operations team.

We are working with UPS to resolve this issue as soon as possible.

I apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.

I will update you on our progress as soon as possible.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Sincerely,

Dr. Rhino

Rhino/Dead.net Customer Service"

....Possible light then at the end of the tunnel....!

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 02:30

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Dtuck90-thanks for the info about checking the shipping details with UPS. I have just followed your advice, but after putting the tracking number in, and trying to follow up the status - nothing happens. I will just wait and see what happens I think.

Carlo-I haven't been asked to pay any additional shipping costs for several years for Daves Picks. I can remember paying extra in the first year or so , which did make me hesitate ( for about 5 seconds) before renewing my subscriptions. I'm not working now, so things are a bit different.

I can't remember how much I paid for shipping for the 73/74 box, but it brought on one of my dizzy spells! Which is why, unless this years box is Ark 1969 or Fall 1972, I may bow out. I seem to remember shipping cots varied quite widely for this box for people in the UK. I phoned up to try and find out why, but I never got a satisfactory answer, and gave up after a while.

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Submitted by simonrob on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 02:34

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Sadly this shipping disaster is not limited to the UK alone. Unsurprisingly the same situation applies to me here in Holland. UPS are expecting me to pay €81.88 (that is equivalent to $91.16 at current exchange rates). This is almost as much as I paid for the year's subscription with the early-bird discount. No other Dave's Picks has been sent using UPS. Why this time? I seem to recall that a box was once sent to foreign or European customers using UPS and a similar situation occurred. I also seem to recall that it was sorted out in the end. That said, one has to ask how this sort of situation can occur. When they send out the same set of packages every three months, why should someone suddenly decide to "do it differently" with all the consequences of such an ill-considered decision. This, of course, beggars belief in this day and age. A mail is on its way to Dr. Rhino. Good to see that he has at least had the decency to reply to at least one British punter suggesting that there will be rectification. Curious to see how this evolves.

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Submitted by Rbrons7277 on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 03:48

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Received my DaP 31 on Friday, a pleasant surprise to get it so early. However mine has no # on it. Top of the back cover reads "LIMITED EDITION:" and then it is blank. I must've gotten one of the ones they save for replacement copies.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 04:57

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all this talk about the box set has me remembering the fiasco that was PNW 73-74. Doesn't anyone remember the faulty discs from this box? I had to have 3 replaced and it wasn't anything that deadnet did, it was rhino. I would really like a 91 box with Bruce and Vince, but I will not preorder, I will wait till I have read the reviews and wait till I hear about any and all abnormalities with the box before I order. Now, if it is a 91 box, I don't think that we will have to worry about the ravages of time making the shows incomplete or big dropouts in the sound, but who knows, it is rhino after all and I'm not the biggest fan of their production procedures or their quality control. Still, it's kinda exciting waiting for the announcement. I finally got the email saying my DAPs 31 is in the mail, yahoo!!!

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Submitted by JackstrawJay on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 06:02

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nailed it (regarding the up-and-coming box)

he penned: ...Which is why, unless this year's box is Ark 1969 or Fall 1972, I may bow out....

and now back to my regularly scheduled program: Allmans 1970 FE...awaiting the September 2019 release of January 1971....DUANE was (is) insane....

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 07:18

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Again the boards keep me abreast of new things. I'd don't know if I ever hear about some things if it wasn't for the people here. Everyone in my circles wait for me to show up with "new" stuff. I can honestly say I am not the biggest Allman fan, but I am the biggest sucker for this boxed shit! Hope my wife doesn't retire anytime soon :-)

I MIGHT see DaP 31 today!?! Tracking shows at my post office this morning at 430. Certainly enough time to sort, but sometimes I think they don't deliver 'packages' on Saturday and keep it to just envelopes.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 07:33

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Casey check pm, got the mule for you.

Keith Fan,,,, did you get what I got for you?

ABB FW71 on order - thanks for the heads up. Finally received my 2/28 FW69 on Vinyl - thru sides A & B and loving it. Finally ripped GarciaLive11 so will get first listen today. My shipping notice says Tuesday for DaP31.

I concur the 2/24/74 show is the better of the two 1974 DaPs in question, if you had to choose one.

Vguy, sounds wild.....I’ve got to get back to Vtown one of these days, hell the misses has never been!
Best visit was a friends wedding.....out in some lush tropical courtyard, everyone wearing shorts, smoking big cigars and sporting drinks (under a wonderful “green” fog, ahem)....while the ceremony went on under a Grass Palapa, surrounded by palms and lush tropical foliage, and beautiful women frolicking in the pool......what a day!

Took notice of this in the article....
“The sound is a new technology, never implemented before, using beam-forming technology, which allows you to have the same experience whether sitting in the back or the front."
Hhhhmmmmmm? Sounds kinda like another PA we know around here!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:09

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Just read on the Rolling Stone website that Dead and Co have dropped out and will not play at Woodstock 50.

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A survey por favor!
What kind of blank CDs do all y’all prefer?
I live in the boonies and can only get memorex I believe at Wally world and there not cheap...
They also don’t seem to Last so well?
Used to buy online in bulk when I still played music since I would record then make copies for everyone, but I can’t recall where/what kind those were, which is a shame as they held up well but we’re really inexpensive....

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Submitted by frankparry on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:27

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Well I received an apologetic reply from Dr Rhino saying that he’d look into the delivery charges fiasco but in view of the fact that I paid not once but twice (I have two orders, one for myself and once for a friend) because I didn’t want to run the risk of missing out, I can say that if this isn’t sorted out by DaP 32 I will never again buy from this site. I noticed that there is a disclaimer on the page explaining delivery charges for international customers which is a convenient get out clause.

I’d really love it for someone from dead.net to have the courage to post on this forum with updates about this situation, caste iron guarantees that it won’t happen again, and apologies to the Grateful Dead community. I somehow doubt it, though, given the ominous silence over the dodgy discs from the last box set. Prove me wrong dead.net ....

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Submitted by boblopes on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:38

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I get the Taiyo Yuden / JVC Ink Jet printables since my old epson printer has a cdr holder. I think they're now available as "CMC Pro - Powered by TY Technology 80 Minute/700mb White inkjet CD-R in Cake Box - 100 Count"

It's around $30+ for a 100 pack. I've created copies of all my live Dead/JGB releases along with favorite soundboards. I think out of the 5 x 100 pack maybe had 1 or 2 bad ones.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:41

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This was part of ours...
https://www.postindependent.com/news/breaking-i-70-westbound-closed-at-…

We headed off after to work to return Courtesy car to dealer and pick up the misses car. Figured I go and we’d have dinner at the B-Pub, perhaps maybe they’d have some Strawberry beer left....all that normally about a 2 hour trip....
Signage sucked, only said “delays at exit 116” IDIOTS! The damn road had already been shut down for 4 hours! so we, more idiots, drove right into the “parking lot” that was I 70, only about a Mile from the exit....long story short after fuggin 2 hours I finally took the wheel, back up just enough, turned left through just enough space between cars in left lane, then ever so carefully traversed the meadian ditch to the east bound lanes, then finally got the hell outta there or we could have been there half the night! Of course “authority” did jack shit to handle the situation so people couldn’t get off the highway or go anywhere! Bet eventually it got pretty ugly.....good news was the dealer staff couldn’t go home so we were able to still make the exchange and get her car....the bad news, at that hour the line was too long for dinner. Oh, and no beer left : (
And to think I blew off going VIP to Rocky Grass (for various reasons) to have my Friday end up like this.....yeeesshhk.
“Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings”

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Submitted by Tim Newhaven on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:44

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Reads "Add to that the new sound Jerry brought with the arrival of his custom Doug Irwin Wolf guitar, and you now have the sound that would largely dominate, and define, the Grateful Dead's 1980s output."

Except Wolf had been around for years in '79, Tiger was the new guitar. Pictures show Jerry playing Tiger. C'mon Dave!

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Submitted by Infinitejest3 on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 09:51

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Looking for some advice on another pick! Im torn between dicks picks 33 and Dave’s picks 18(1976) with the bonus disc. Dave has said 33 is a personal favorite. Both are going for 90$. Help on the way....

I use Verbatim...look online about $22 per a spindle of 100...never a coaster in the bunch...Amazon, Newegg or Fry.com have sales going on all the time

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Don't look now but I've posted twice without Captcha hell...

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 12:19

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5880 in Plano, racked and stacked. Listening now.

Love my PO, took mail innovation a week from ohio to plano, po gets it at 430 AM and here it is.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 14:30

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Slowly it opens.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 07/27/2019 - 14:33

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I hope the pushed out the anti-erase tabs on those tapes.

I agree with what you say in your last post concerning communications with dead.net.
From what you write, I get the impression that you have paid the asking price for shipping charges on this latest release. My intention, if I am charged, is not to, and then to start the laborious process of trying to rectify the situation so that it can be handed over without me being ripped off. If this isn't resolved for this one-31-never mind 32-then it will surely be the time to give up subscribing.
Anyway, I think it is important to keep the posts coming concerning this issue until it is satisfactorily resolved.

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