• 1,335 replies
    marye
    Joined:
    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • UncleJon
    Joined:
    WAV, FLAC, MP3, Etc
    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
  • stuman
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    mp3 wav
    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
  • Hal R
    Joined:
    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
  • cosmicbadger
    Joined:
    MP3 etc
    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
  • fluffhead042
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • stuman
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
  • fluffhead042
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • JackstrawfromC…
    Joined:
    The reason I ask
    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • JackstrawfromC…
    Joined:
    I tried TLH
    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • stuman
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    mp3 to wav
    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Forums
Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Hey t140v77, Man if you want to make an additional copy that would go over seas that would be the best option in my opinion. I think we have done it both ways but a separate copy would cut the chances of it getting lost coming back over the pond greatly! Just my opinion. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Have fun man!! I get my Furthur fun 3 days this weekend!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 3 months
Permalink

I did alot of burning and labeling envelopesand stuff in the last couple of days. Every vine I have except for FWGV#4 (which isn't taken) will be at the post office in a few minutes. I hope I didn't fuck up anything. Peace
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

I will post it this weekend. It will include 6 shows from 1990 (10/27, 10/30, 10/31, 12/3, 12/4 and 1 other) plus 2 from '95 (that were on my list of Compendium picks posted here a while back) to fill up the second disc. I'm listening to a hot Help > Slip > Franklin's to open 10/31 as I type this. I'll start working on reseeding the 77 Part 4 vine once I am done with this. On an unrelated note, if anyone here subscribes to Hotfile and has some time to download a couple of shows (Rush and Rolling stones '81) let me know. I've gotten monthly passes in the past for both Hotfile and Rapidshare but lately I've both been too busy and haven't found much on the blogs I go to to find shows from other artists. Thanks!
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

Have a great time this weekend and give us a report. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

that I'm holding up a few vines, but I'm experiencing some technical difficulties, both personally and with equipment. I will get them moving as soon as I resolve the issues at hand. Please don't worry, I will have them moving again soon.
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

just pm me to see if I can accomodate the vines, or if I should be moved down a space or two, just so there isn't so I'm not so back-logged.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Take your time man ... hope all is well "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

Hey, take your time sorting everything out. There are good souls in here and don't feel any pressure from the vineyard. Good luck with your issues. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

maustin the music will always be here so be there to take care of what u need to. hope all goes well
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 2 months
Permalink

All, Just in case you are interested, the GD is e-mailing people that have a reservation for the "music only" Euro 72 package. The e-mail has a code to be used to upgrade to a "Big Box". Apparently some orders are being cancelled. It looks like alot of people (including myself) booked multiple orders because of the problems early in the ordering process. Best Wishes-Jimmy
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

That is all I have to say to Rhino and the Dead store. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

in my part of the universe. Technical difficulties overcome and just a scare on the personal side. Turnin and burnin, got a stack ready to go. Now it's off to the ice for some sturgeon spearing come Saturday.
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

Glad to hear it! "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

16 years 4 months
Permalink

I had an issue that took me out last fall and I am now back. I have VINES! ARRAHHH I am so sorry.......I have not been around. I have: Re-seed April 71 77 lossless part 1 (sorry Derek you worked so hard) TNHG Vine Lampinsky's Aud's I will do the work and get these out this week. Please forgive. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
user picture

Member for

16 years 4 months
Permalink

JGB 3-6-76 "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Nice to have you back and hope you are healthy again!
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

birdsong. Glad to hear ur doing better.
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

so good to have you back!
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

From one Vineyard old-timer to another: WELCOME BACK!! "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

16 years
Permalink

Wow, thanks for the kind vibes what a rough two months. Now if there is any vines, I've missed, been involved in or can reseed that people are looking for can you please tell me and I can finally get it all done? Thanks, Love you family ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Vine loving freaks (and I mean that in a good way), Following dstache's 'Compendium Picks' for the 1990's, I will be starting what looks to be 2 vines for 1992, about 5 DVD's total. Some notes: 1)From the Compendium 1992 list, regretfully, I only have a couple of the March shows and I don't have 12/5 which really bums me out because those Tempe shows were always quite good, and that show in particular brings back a lot of crazy memories for me =) 2)The 5/21 show is included in Cal Expo '92 Vine which is still alive so I won't include it here 3)The 6/25 show is included on New 1990's Part 6 Vine but that one may be in trouble so we'll wait and see on that one 4)Other than that, I have everything else from the list including the amazing Las Vegas May run. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years 8 months
Permalink

Hey there,I have a few (4?) vines that I may have been holding on longer than I should.... I don't like to keep them more than a few days. I filled up my little hard drive with the few vines that I had already copied. I tried to delete out the junk I don't need but it didn't really help much. I just got back from my local Fry's and shoved a 1TB drive in the desktop....that should let me copy a couple more vines. I will be stopping by the post office tomorrow and will be updating the appropriate vines. I really don't know how you serious and long time viners store all the great music out there...thank goodness that storage is getting cheaper. Mike
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Will hold a lot of vines my friend. Yeah I use ext HDs. I can get a 500GB Toshiba for about $50 at the local Sam's Club. I think that is a very reasonable price to pay to store 500-some shows, assuming 1 show is about 1GB in flac/shn format. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 2 months
Permalink

Just an FYI, I saw that Target was running 1-TB and 2-TB external HD's for $85 each. Probably USB 2. Not bad for a 2-TB. This week only (February 20 thru 26) While supplies last! Best Wishes-Jimmy
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

B-> KB->MB->GB->TB->? My first computer was a commondore Vic 20 with 3K of ram--a step down from the 64. Got it in 1983.
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

i remember buying my first PC and the big decision was whether to buy a 386 or a 486 and whether to get 2 MB or really splurge and go with 4mb of RAM! "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

I am back with it and want to send out the vines I have held up. pmail me please, I want to get things moving that were stuck with me. Thanks for your patience. I lost everyone's address in a computer crash so send them on to me. I am gone till Sunday but at that time will be putting a massive effort into mailing out vines. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Nice to see you, hope all is well with you and your family. Many of the vines vines may have been re-seeded, there has been a pretty large effort for that over the last few months. So we'll probably just play it by ear. Take care man! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

This show (Fort Worth, TX) was vined with the Mixed Bag I think. Now I think I have listened to as many shows as the average viner here. Now let me tell you something. I have heard quite a few "other ones," but this "one" is totally and completely addictive. The mix is great. But there is something about the heavy sounding drums & bass and guitar. I have been listening to this (Set 2) non-stop for several weeks since I got it. I just can't put it down. The 'Me and My Uncle" fits perfectly in between. On a scale, this is the #1 "truckin'/other one" combo so far that I have heard. It's rare for me to react to a show like this. Crazy man! Set 2 truckin->drums->other one->me and my uncle->other one->wharf rat
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

that I am really excited how well the vineyard is doing. I haven't seen it like this in some time. So I just wanna say thanks to all the old timers for reseeding a lot of this music and all the new guys for keeping it moving. There is quite a lot of vines here so I wanna say thanks to cosmicbadger for the vindex to keep track of all of this. It definitely makes it easier.
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

Thanks Jake. ....listening to 11/14/71 Set 2 again today. I think I have it figured out. The Other One here conveys a "sense of urgency" not found in other versions I have heard. I find myself batting my head with Phil's bass line as if I am on some one-way mission to save the world. The sense of urgency here is overwhelming and a hair stand up on your back kinda thing....
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

I'm gonna have to check it out! =) =) Jake - I'm with you, it's very awesome to have the vineyard in full throttle once again. I feel like we have a very strong tight-knit group here these days. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

earlier todayhe seems to be doing pretty good staying away from the computer for the most part, at least limiting how long he is in front of it... I assured him we're more concern about him than any vines but none the less will do his best to move them along real soon. so, hang in there Dave!
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

to hear about dave zep. thanks for the update. perhaps we should send him his own copy for some of the vines he is one
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

"It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

I have received 4 DVD's of '91 shows from RMB and will post a Part 1 vine within the next week or so. Thanks RMB!!!
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

I better get 92 part 2 up! Been slacking.. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

"It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

derek and mark for keeping this vineyard going and brining in the new shows. This place wouldn't be the same wirthout ur effort.
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

17 years 3 months
Permalink

I have stalled out a few vines here..i was busy moving then the whole family was sick my wife and i had sinus infections my daughter and son had ear infections....feeling better now back to work i will have all vines out by thursday. sorry
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

just a hiccupdamn flu bugs... Hope you like the new place and hope everyone feels better real quick!!! I'm headed out of town later this week (Thursday) - I'll have access for the most part may knock myself down the list on a couple vines... or have them sent to my daughter's where I'll be staying for most of the rest of the month (I've tried to not sign up for too many more the last couple weeks) :D
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

noonie. thanks for the update. best wishes to everyones recovery and the new place
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Our house has been down with head and chest colds the last couple of weeks. Missing work, missing school ... Hang in there brother! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"