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    Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

    What's Inside:

    5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

    7/12/87 (24-track masters)

    7/9/89  (24-track masters)

    7/10/89 (24-track masters)

    6/16/91 (48-track masters)

    6/17/91 (48-track masters)

    Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

    By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

    "The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

    With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

    GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

    Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

    Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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    Agree with Stolie

    I like Donna and don't think her wails sound remotely like a buffalo!

  • stoltzfus
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    enough with the Donna bashing

    oh. sorry. wrong Donna.

    OK, Vguy, I'll give em a try.

    report to follow.

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    Never saw a show at Alpine, but in '97 with every last possession I owned in a Honda Prelude, and moving from Charlottesville, VA to Seattle, I came across the Bong Rec Area. Took a picture, but I can't figure out how to post it on this forum. That really cracked me up at the time, unfortunately I didn't have time to pull over and indulge. I haven't looked at that picture in years, but mine has a green sign that says "Burlington 17 miles" and just below it a brown sign that reads "Bong Recreation Area 9 miles".

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    So sad. Ryan Adams and the Cardinals were one of the best bands around in the later 2000s.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=USom8PhOXgs

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    ....DTB records.

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    Donna The Buffalo....

    .... c'mon people. I can only cast and reel in so many lures.
    They are really good.
    I'm not giving up.

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    I would say that he achieved greatness. Lot's of cool stuff from SRV, but I still dig the album Couldn't Stand the Weather most of all, from start to finish, particularly the title song. Maybe because that was my first exposure to SRV in summer '84. In fact, just threw it on after reading Estimated Eyes post. Recently discovered that he also played lead guitar on the Bowie album Let's Dance. Gone too soon in any event.

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    Bong Recreation area?......how did we miss that one! That’s even better than Big Bone Lick State park we stayed at in Kentucky after 86 Riverbend! Lol. Good ole Alpine, had so much fun I can’t remember most....also almost got arrested damn near every time I was there. No particular reason, just coincidence or wrong place at right time. Luckily tragedy was always narrowly averted! Some great stories there but not now....yessir 86, 87, and first 2 of 89 for this camper.
    Sigh, where have all the good times gone!

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    HBO, wow, spinners in '74. Before I asked about the "twirlers", I would have guessed it began with the Touch Heads. I pictured '74 as more of the dance you see in Sunshine Daydream and the Grateful Dead Movie.

    I think someone mentioned 11/20/78. I don't think I've heard this one. Will have to check it out.

    Spacebro, glad to see you're so stoked forthe box set. I had no idea how nany times you'd seen them (didn'tyou say the number was in the 50s?). How did you get around from show to show? Did you bring a tent? Caravan with others? Did you stay within a certain radius of home or just follow them from city to city?

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    As a child of southern Wisconsin (ages 0-17 in Milwaukee suburbs and ages 17+ in a Madison suburb), Alpine Valley was THE concert venue. I saw lots of fun shows there in the late 80s and early 90s-- Rolling Stones Steel Wheels tour, Clapton 1988 and 1990 (RIP SRV, today if memory serves), and Grateful Dead 1988 and 1989.

    The GD 88 show was my first trip to Alpine and my first Dead show. That was the summer of drought-- it was so very hot and dry all summer long. I was at the first night of that run with a group of high school friends, all Alpine and GD virgins. It was so crowded that summer-- we didn't even get to park in the lots. Four of us turned into Heads that day, the others simply had a good time, never to see the Dead again.

    We all know about 1989-- when, oh when, will they release those shows like they are doing with this Giants Stadium box? All three nights my friend and I worked our way to the front of the lawn and had a fine time. We camped in the lot and went to sleep every night to the sound of filling balloons, though I never partook. I never did tour and only saw them at Alpine and Chicagoland, but those three nights at Alpine were by far the best GD shows I saw.

    The Clapton shows are seared in my memory. 1988 was great with Knopfler on 2nd guitar. I have a funny story about that night, but it doesn't come across in writing, so I only tell that story live. I was at the first night of the 2 night stand with SRV, Robert Cray and Buddy Guy-- tripping balls in a sea of drunks. But an amazing time was had and SRV just blew my mind. I still can picture him in this purple shirt during Voodoo Chile. My friends and I walked out of there in a daze, 'what the hell just happened.' And then he was dead-- I have trouble listening to SRV because it makes me so damn sad. He was on the cusp of greatness... It was foggy that night, too (they blame the fog for the helicopter accident). My friend almost got us killed by getting on the wrong side of a median when a highway added a median at one point-- couldn't see the split for the fog.

    Sorry about the memory lane, but this is the anniversary of SRV's last...

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89  (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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Wasn't that a Dylan/Dead show? Any word if the Dylan stuff is included?

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Very, very nice to see something different as far as eras go.
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I’ve placed an order. The process was amazingly pain free, no queues no failure to get to the payment method. Let’s hope the rest of the supply chain is as straightforward. Looking forward to getting it.

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so glad we are getting a Blu-ray with this release

just ordered, can't wait :)

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9999 left ;)

Going to MUATM @ Cabot in Beverly MA with Not Fade Away playing a preshow show.

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I predicted 10 am PST for the announcement.

Ordered the Blu-ray Box.
Can’t wait until September, I want it now.

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I'm sure the Dylan set is excluded, why this is a 14 rather than 15CD box. Those '87 second sets were nice and compact.

Can't wait for this one!

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I like the multi-year span on this box set as well as last year's PNW set. I hope this is the new trend. As always...GO BRENT!

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I just watched David's seaside chat and he confirms they did NOT include the Dylan/Dead set. I was really looking forward to that set so quite disappointing to say the least.

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Cool that it is the same years as Electric On The Eel.

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Blu-Ray and 5 shows is nice! I was at at both the 6/16/91 and 6/17/91 shows. Maybe one of the '89 shows. No Dylan included on the '87, probably hard to put that together rights wise. Ordered the Blu-Ray so about 99,995 left :-)

Sound should be great given the Multi-Tracks. Grew up in NJ and saw tons of Giants' games at this stadium. Looking forward!

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... if this had sold out before everyone got home from the movies.

Should be no problems with the sound quality on this set.

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Is this the first official BluRay? All of my videos are DVD or VHS (Yes, I still have several of these).

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Knockin' on Heaven's Door
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...have to agree with forensicdoceleven's comment. Succinct and to-the-point: Garbage

...PIG PEN will return

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This looks really cool – i love the late 80s/early 90s as everyone knows. I love the packaging of this release. I even like the price. I have really no complaints.....however, i’m probably going to sit this one out. I just don’t see myself listening to this as often as the others and don't want to spend money just for it to sit on the shelf.

Last year, when the 73/74 boxset came out i told everyone that, for once, i feel pretty complete. I’m at the point where I’ll always do the DaP subscription but i’m going to be a bit more picky about the box sets.

I hope everyone who gets this loves the hell out of it. Already looking forward to next year!

...is another man's treasure.

And just because I like to poke the bear sometimes and armchair psychologists felt good about ripping on Jerry a day before his birthday yesterday...this one's for you guys.
Pigpen was a drunk and a lush. Your precious version of this band would have kept going on had he not been a loadie you whiners.

let the rotten tomato throwing commence!

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I was at the June 16th show Jerry was playing hot! Didn't make it to the 17th.

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I feel like a summer 91 box would have been a real gem. The giants shows in addition to sandstone, buckeye lake, and soldier field would have been, well, pretty darn sweet.

I will probably opt for the stand alone and put the rest towards next years Dave’s Picks. Hoping for a sell out so these years get more love from GDP.

No complaints but rather a huge thank you for shining a light on the Vince years (with Bruce!) and more Brent is always welcome too.

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...now what are you all going to speculate on? The next Dave's, I guess. Amazingly crisp, pain-free ordering from Dead.net, a pleasant surprise. Still I just happened to come on and randomly check the boards when I saw it. Never got the email announcement or anything... could be demand will heat up by this evening.

Anyone on the fence about acquiring a Blu-ray player, do so if possible. The pricing has come way down and yes, they are better than dvd.

Not going to the movies tonight... staying in and watching the Broncos second-string. At least this video will be available next month.

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I'm down for this one. I know the '91 Dark Star show pretty well, but somewhat less familiar with the others. This box is going to sound great and have some great music in it.

Not sure why some people have to be so negative about it.

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I was at the July 12, 1987 show, looking forward to hearing it all again. Looks like it should be some cool late era dead, a period during which Garcia seemed reinvigorated as I recall. I remember when they started back up in '87 Jerry just seemed more animated on stage, looked more like he was having a good time on stage.

Good to see that the nattering nabobs of negativity wasted no time in condemning this release;) At least the condemnation was concise. I get if you feel that the dead peaked well before this period and have no interest, but what exactly do you get by hopping on here to let us know it is "garbage"? I mean do what you like, I just don't quite get it.

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More post-Keith material is always appreciated.

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I have every show from the box on video but I don't have the audio from muti-track master recordings. So I would just like to say thank you.

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...a grateful Deadhead I am, not a robot!
Artwork is Amazing too, I love it! 🙏❤️💀
PS: turn it upside down, notice anything😉
...it’s the Rock Mountain/structure on the ‘New Jersey TurnPike’ ,on the way to ‘Giants Stadium’!!!

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Very nice. Psyched for this era and these shows. Especially with ole Brucey!

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The first words at the top.

That is funny when we were at the 16 we were joking that we needed seat belts.

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Wow, first boxed set I haven't been interested in. Those who are looking forward to it, enjoy!

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This is sweet and another surprise at least for me. The Veneta Box also had a bluray. So this would be the second one to date. Why not move it up and make it a 4k release. Either way, this will be a great box! Excited and the cost is perfect. Will be seeing it tonight

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@bigbrownie. I think this is the second official blu ray. The sunshine daydream box was available on blu ray.

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Sweet. Hope it's still available over the weekend. Soonest I can order is Monday. Only 10k units? Yikes.

I need this.

Edit - Was able to secure one. So geeked.

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Yep, even in Deadland there are the privilged. It's the Dead. It's Jerry. It's a from 3 peak years. Why bother complaining about not liking the era? Just skip it. Gives me a chance to get one. I'm glad the negative folks are passing. This is my SWEET SPOT!

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These shows don't mean so much to me, so I will happily pass this one by. There are so many other attractions out there. I would be tempted by the stand alone 1991 set, which looks to be the cherry on the cake-but I would prefer to buy it off Amazon UK than dead.net to bypass the potential hassles/postage charges.

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...Also what’s Grateful is the performance on July 10th 1989...Great drum jam with ‘Willie Green’ from the ‘Neville Brothers’ and the rest of them on thru >>>
*Iko Iko
*All Along The Watchtower
*Morning Dew
*Sugar Magnolia
Encore:
*Knockin' On Heaven's Door
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These are good shows but I just won't get around to listening to them that much, and I don't really want the box and whatnot.

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...Has Been Spanked!"...Opps, nope,..."The I, Has Been Dotted!"...damn, wait a sec,..."The Antenna, Has Been Adjusted!"...no, wrong..."The Truth, Has Been Stretched!"...wait, that's not it..."The Meatloaf, Has Been Seasoned"...dang it, one more..."The Order, Has Been Placed! That's what I meant!

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hey all, hope you're as excited as i am about the new box set. i like all eras under the sun. my official prediction: Summer '90 is off. but i am still not disappointed. i kinda like a bit of variety of eras in one box set. we'll be getting some brent, and we'll be getting post brent. which i know that makes me an oddball but i really REALLY like post brent. also glad it won't be a long wait for the set to be released. hopefully wont be a rush job.

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I'd have to say August is my favorite month so far. Jerry and (looks like) Hunter in a VW bus-o-copter with Palm Tree size MJ trees on the beach. I'll have a nice time looking at this one all month. Wish y'all could see it! It's good.

Happy Box release day everyone! For the record, I'm in on the box w/ DVD. Looking forward to it!

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...as I went to the 7/4/87 at Sullivan Stadium 8 days before this, and it was disappointing. Or so I remember. My final show as it turned out (only saw 2 though, plus a Jerry solo show... ). I moved to AZ soon after and got into the west coast pre-grunge bands like L7, Jane's Addiction, Faith No More and so on. But I digress.

The set lists posted here piqued my curiosity, so I went onto the archive to check them out and... wow. The 7/12/87 shows opens with a ripping "Hell in a Bucket," then straight into a sweet "West LA Fadeaway." Both Jerry and Bob sound totally focused and on their game, and the band sounds tight too. Lots of energy, on-pitch singing, snappy guitar licks. The drums were locked in. Brent was low in the matrix mix that I heard, but still, he seemed to be adding stuff without the plinky-plink sounds that I find annoying. Other strong songs in the show include "Loser" and "Throwing Stones/Not Fade Away." I was just cherry picking and listening to clips, not the whole show. But at this point I was pretty intrigued.

I then jumped ahead 2 shows to do more sampling, this time from the 7/10/89 show. "Franklin's Tower," "Walkin' Blues" and "Jack-A-Roe" are three of my favorite songs, and they're teed up right there for a first-set trifecta, along with "The Music Never Stopped" that features some pretty funky licks from Phil, albeit a somewhat tepid (to my ears) final solo from Jerry. The second set has some good later-era songs, including a 10-minute "Foolish Heart" and a nice fat "Iko Iko," among other things. Plus a "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" closer... Which I had seen at the 1987 show but which wasn't included as the encore on this set's first show (probably because Dylan had played along with them). Again, the energy sounded really strong. They weren't phoning this one in, from what I could hear on these boards. And these were just matrixes from the archive -- I can't imagine how they will sound as fully realized 24-track or 48-track recordings.

At this point I'm thinking this set will be tough to resist. But I still wasn't sure.

So I trundled on over to the 6/17/9 show. This one sounds unique. It open with "Eyes," which is pretty unusual, I think. (Correct me if I'm wrong....) Then three different "Dark Star" teases before they finally dive into it for real (for a short time -- 9 minutes or so, but still) shows them in a playful mood that could bring them to new corners of their musical map even 25 years into the trip. What finally sealed it for me was the 10-minute, skronking and stomping, greasy and jammy "New Speedway Boogie" deep in the second set. They sound like the band is rising up out of the swampy earth like some kind of primordial, prehistoric beast. Jerry's voice isn't polished (was it ever?) but he's in tune and gets the words right. I had my order placed before they got to the second verse.

Anybody on the fence about this release, my suggestion is to dig around the archive a little. You may (like me!) be surprised at what these shows have...

Forgive the rambling!

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In light of the passing of Art "Papa Funk" Neville and the guest appearance on the later half of 7/10/89 2nd Set, this set takes on an especially important tribute (for me anyways) to another legend gone. R.I.P. Papa Funk.

Similar to Dave's experience with coming into the Dead, I came onboard in 84 at 16 years old. Caught my 2nd and 3rd shows at Alpine in 86 then 4th thru 6th at Alpine 87 a couple of weeks before this 87 Giants show.

Caught 1 show in 88 at Buckeye , then by 89 started upping my attendance by attending multiple shows on multiple tours. All in all about 50 shows between 84 to 95 plus two JGB shows in 91.

87 through 91 was filled with consistently fantastic music from what I attended and know these Giants shows are all A+++ Dead.

Thank you for releasing this. Now back to my Neville binge.

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I have followed the discussion of gueses of wgatc6the box would be on the DaP 31 comments. I am fairly certain someone called this correctly or very close to it. Who ever you are nice work!

So I bought the blu rey version without hesitation. I am excited simply because I really got turned on the summer 91 tour about a year ago, so that is enticing on it's own. I only got to see the Dead with Vince so essentially he is my guy. I have able to have seen Bruce in post Jerry line ups and he is just great. So once I started to explore 91 shows they just clicked for me. Now having 2 more summer 89 shows is great, really can't go wrong there. Adding that 87 show is the icing on the cake. Admittedly I am not as much if a fan of 87 shows. I had many in tapes back in the day and besides 9/18, I remember an 87 Foxboro show standing out. Also TPTB have only released 3 87 shows with one being the aforementioned 9/18 show, plus the View from the Vault shows. I think this box set is covering a lot of good ground musically so it is win for me.

I ended up skipping the MUATM this evening. Although it would have been cool to have watched the 6/17 show on the big screen, I am feeling good that I will be able to watch it whenever I want on blu Rey. More importantly I spent the early afternoon with my wife visiting and catching up with one of my buddies, his wife and kids. I dont get to see many of my friends too often just due to work and life responsibilities...never know when some one will not be on this Earth anymore so I try to make time to see people. So after spending that time with my buddy, my wife and I got a bite to eat and went home. I am now going to fine tune myself, spin a few shows and relax. This is a good way to start The Days Between.

Peace to you all...

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Well maybe they mixed Brent out since its multtrack. Im happy for the people that got their wish, but I just cant stand it. I was at 2 of these shows, had a blast, but being there and hearing a palyback are 2 separate things. It ain't selling out by Monday. Right in the nuts.

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I'm just not buying Dave's hyperbole after the most recent Dave's Picks. Its a decent show but in my opinion not even in same orbit as the Fillmore East show that preceded it. He's gotta sell/move product I guess.
This boxed set is a pass for me.

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Ok cool.

I was skeptical at first, I find the connection tenuous in the sense of consecutive shows across multiple years in a 65,000 seat arena, but shortly came around to the idea of multiple years of shows in good quality that people think highly of.

I love the connective tissue in releases like Europe '72, Spring '90 or even PNW '73/74, so I'm still not completely sold on (to me) an impersonal stadium across 5 years, but I'm more excited about the specific shows and the Blu-Ray as I read about them.

Brent > Vince/Bruce, I'm supportive as a neophyte still taking on anything I can get. Listening to GarciaLive 11 Deal from 1993 right now, I love the comment earlier about how this set matches the year of Jerry on the Eel. Happy birthday!

Brent, Vince, Bruce, anyways, I love it. Glad to see them represented, I want to hear it all. I don't blame anyone that isn't a fan, but I'm on board.

No you can't find it in no night club or no yacht club
And it ain't in the seats of a supper club
And sure as hell you're bound to tell
That no matter how hard you rub
You just ain't a-gonna find it on yer ticket stub

I'd never have expected them to strike a deal with Dylan & Co for his set of 7/12/87, but it's still too bad. Jerry and the boys pushing him to some rarities and ultimately the advent of the Neverending Tour in 1988 (check out Chronicles), not to mention the first Tomorrow is a Long Time since 4/12/63 Town Hall NYC, featuring Jerry on pedal steel for the first time in 15 years. Switching now to the Dylan boot of 7/12/87, I presume ya'll have it if you want it but I'm more than happy to provide if not, from the Dylan side of the road...got 4/12/63 too, and that should not be missed, period motherfucker. That's the one with the Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie..

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown

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