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    Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

    What's Inside:

    5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

    7/12/87 (24-track masters)

    7/9/89  (24-track masters)

    7/10/89 (24-track masters)

    6/16/91 (48-track masters)

    6/17/91 (48-track masters)

    Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

    By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

    "The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

    With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

    GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

    Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

    Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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  • #1531
    Vguy72
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    Unfortunately.....

    ....there have been no official shows released that I attended. And the count is 50+. Oh well. One day. Attended every Vegas show. One day.
    Got a couple of Phish show's though.

  • #1532
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    Today Sirius noon show was 6/16/85.... Greek Theatre

    Had this show since summer of 86. Got in the car when Samson was starting... Listening to right now, Love the Scarlet>Fire!!!!

  • #1533
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    I only saw the Dead between 1980-1988. I would love it if they released one of those shows one day, but I don't lie awake at night thinking about it.
    I started listening to the Dead in 1974, and as a result (I think), I only really liked live stuff from '68-'73. I started out only buying Dick's Picks from this era. Road Trips also. And boxed sets too.
    However, when 30 trips came out, I only really wanted the first 10 shows from the box. I started ebaying them right on the day they were released. After acquiring the first 10 shows, I then picked up the '76 & '77 shows. Then I found the box (minus cds) for just about $100.00. Then I just kept looking at set lists, and wanting to try another and another. The 1984 show was the biggest surprise to me, a fantastic show. Eventually there were 5 shows I would NEVER buy. Funny thing but I now have all 30 shows!!
    I payed WAY more a la carte than I would have the box, but don't think I could have kept both the box and the bill a secret. Also, by getting shows a little at a time, I had much more time to enjoy each one.
    I learned that there were shows from ALL eras that I could enjoy, even though '66-'74 still get the most replays. I am only missing 4 boxes ('78, both '90's sets, and the 5 show '77 box). The only one I regret missing was the 5 show '77 box. I am only going to pick up the stand alone release from this new set, but that's enough to satisfy me.
    It's ok to pass on certain releases (obviously), but we don't have to call people who DO buy them stupid (or something worse).
    I truly enjoy having the option to listen to any version of the band, and I think it's cool that I have at least one show from every year.
    I very much enjoy these (almost philosophical) discussions on eras, what we like, and why we like it. Keep it coming!!

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    Love those shows, Alvarhanso. Love a lot of those Sp93 shows, for that matter. That Rosemont run is honestly among my favorite shows in the entire catalogue. ‘93 easily the most underrated year. Actually listening to 3/17 right now, really good, too!

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    Beware of the Wolf
    Appearing quite Dire
    He collects his dues
    While we sing
    Round the fire
    Wearing sheep’s clothing
    Got two eyes don’t see
    I was bitten this week
    Not one time but three

    You internet art peddler
    Please don’t murder me
    And don’t steal from me either
    I trusted you see
    But you dealt that deal anyways
    Shame on you
    Now shame on me

  • #1536
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    I'm one of the younger post-Jerry busriders, so don't really have too much homer investment, as I didn't attend any shows, though it could be homerism that makes me want a Greensboro box set. They played the Coliseum 7 times I think from 1980-91, and some good shows. Like this Giants box set, Greensboro had a great Dark Star with Bruce in the mix for April Fool's Day no less. I also wouldn't mind at all if 3/24/93 Dean Smith Center in Chapel Hill were to be released as a Dave's with filler from the next night. Or even if 4/12/78 at Cameron Indoor at Duke were part of the returned Bettys. I've seen the black and white video of that one quite a bit, and that's a high energy show. But I'm more about great sounding shows that have really top notch jamming. I agree the batting average is very good, certainly higher than Ty Cobb's .367, and the only deviants from the norm are somebody else's holy grail, so it balances out. There are a LOT of Dick's Picks and Download Series shows I don't listen to, so an occasional bump isn't bad at all. Just one less thing in an ever expanding rotation of great music. In the Download Series I even found that there are 1972 shows I don't like. That Seattle one from 7/21 just isn't my cup of meat.

    I'm going to get this box, and I imagine I'll enjoy it quite thoroughly. Though how many times I'll listen to it is hard to say. I'm not even diving into the PNW Box as much as I thought I would. Everybody and his brother had 5/19/74 as a top, top show, and it has its moments, but it doesn't blow me away as much as 5/17 or 6/22/73. But I also don't really have the time to re-check that analysis. They've released so much excellent stuff that I've ignored most of Europe '72 Complete in the last 5 years or so. I wish we all had Dick Latvala's schedule for listening to Dead at exceedingly high volumes, but alas.

  • #1537
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    Last few listens

    Living room:
    12-3-79 (3 times since receiving)
    12-9-81
    8-7-82
    7-31-82 set2 (playing now)

    Boise 83 up next.
    Thought that I’d listen to some of the most maligned releases.
    I listen to all eras and can accept if 1 out of 4 DaP’s is from a cassette master.

    It’s possible for me to listen to these shows in the living room this week because I balanced it with the several hours I spent listening in the car this week.
    2-13-70
    2-14-70
    5-2-70

    Hmmmmm.....how about a Plangentized “Fillmore February 1970 - East Meets West” Box? Opens up like a briefcase with Fillmore West on the the left and Fillmore East on the right.
    I’ll buy it.

    I listen to 1965-95 and buy all the complete, or nearly complete, show releases. I didn’t subscribe to RT at first because I didn’t want partial shows or compilations, but did buy the complete shows and eventually everything except 79 compilation and Cal Expo. I missed out on a few bonus discs for not subscribing.
    Missed out on FW 69, I think it sold out before I saw the email. Didn’t have internet in my apartment at that time. I did get copies and now have 27 and 28 on vinyl (which have been Plangentized).
    Missed out on the 72 steamer trunk because I hesitated (had bought a house a year earlier and was putting money into the house) and it was gone. I then paid the same amount for the AME. Learned a lesson there.

    The only released show that I was at is 7-17-89 (and it’s missing the end of the first set).
    I don’t need the shows I was at to be released, except for Tinley Park 90 (Brent’s last) on audio/video, since I already have copies of many of the shows. What’s missing are SBD copies of 6-27,28-95. Only AUD copies exist, don’t know why the SBDs aren’t in circulation, it’s not like these shows will ever see commercial release.

    Glad to be getting the Giants Box.
    Keep the releases coming and Plangentize all the good sounding reels.
    Also, are there 90’s DAT or PCM masters that are worthy of release? I would like to hear what one of those sounds like after getting Normanized.

  • #1538
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    Hhhmmmm? Interesting stuff gentlemen?
    If the recent wave of opinions here are any indication of just how diverse, and unfortunately divisive, this group is, Im not sure you could easily categorize so neatly? I think you could probably find a statistcal significance in a few groups with some similar traits i.e.,
    Early years show goers who prefer to listen to early years
    “ “ “ “ who listen to all years
    “ “ “ “ who prefer later years
    Later year show goers who prefer early years
    “ “ “ “ who listen to all years
    “ “ “ “ who prefer later years
    Etc, etc....

    But I guess Daverock’s question was how much influence being at a released show is?
    I would assume that most would at least be interested in a RELEASED show if they were at it....that doesn’t mean that all would by it. Maybe they didn’t like the show, or had a bad experience? Or obviously some just don’t like to listen to certain eras. Some perhaps only have so much listening time so tend to stick with thier favorites.
    Also, as we’ve discussed here before how suspect our memories are and how much the experience can sometimes skew our view so much that we’re surprised years later when we finally hear a recording of said show, for good, or for ill.
    Personally, for a long time, I had gotten to the place many are at where I felt “I have enough Dead, I’ll never listen to it all” etc, which of course I’m having to live with now as I missed out on much, and have spent great sums trying to make up for it. Fortunately, their are some extremely kind folks here who have helped with that!!! But...
    My criteria then was;
    1) was I at the show? (I still would like to have some kind of copy of every show I was fortunate to be at, but I sure as hell don’t expect most to be “released”)
    2) and/or if it was “a must have” particularly if it was from one of my favorite years, and that was it, otherwise I would not buy it. IDIOT!
    I passed on E72 partly because of cost at the time, but I know if it was something that I was at or really wanted I would have found a way. But being the dipshit that I am, I was like “the song lists are all the same”.......”I already have Europe 72” IDIOT!! Obviously I hadn’t really caught the Dark Star bug yet and become a full blown junkie! Which is ironic because DS has always been a favorite? I guess just not “the” favorite yet....
    Now, I feel like any show is worth at least considering and feel like if it’s an official release than tptb must of thought it worthy enough to produce it. Obviously that hasn't always played out, but I think most would agree that their batting average is pretty good, and official releases usually have enough of the boxes checked to be worthy of release, even if perhaps the contemplator won’t buy it or it’s not in their preference zone.
    For me that’s often the 77-78 years. I’ll listen to some, but not often, and there has been so much released, that I won’t usually be up to buy more. But I’ll totally agree and understand why those shows are released and would not begrudge another that is into those years etc. Luckily, my cousin usually does so I can get a copy purely for collection purposes, and given the chance, I’ll listen to ANY dead show at least once!
    But for me the fact is If it’s a show I was at it there is definitely I high probability I’ll get it.
    I also think it’s nice when they have multiple options, like being able to just get the main 91 show from this box. I’m sure many folks would like the meat and potatoes without having to buy the whole farm. I haven’t been in that situation yet, but I would think that will happen some time?
    Anyway, interesting thought? I’d be cool to hear others thoughts?

  • #1539
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    LMG - thoughts and prayers to you - may the power of music help

    LMG - thoughts and prayers to you - may the power of music help you thru it. Sending positive vibes your way.

    I'm psyched they're releasing the only two 48 track shows recorded. I think if they grouped it with the other shows on the same tour, the difference in sound quality would be noticeable. Just like the two 1990 boxes sound different. By including shows from other dates with other lineups it won't be as apparent.

    Any word what the Black Friday Vinyl release is as of yet?

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    Aagh! LMG!

    I am sooo sorry to hear that.

    I obviously don't know you personally, but we have the grateful connection.

    This summer has been a big reminder of mortality on many levels, personal, national, professional, and virtual.

    Stay strong, my brother. We care. Listen to the music play, and we will, too.

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89  (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sun, 09/01/2019 - 19:17

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Love the shot of Brent on 2nd page of liner notes on Dap 31.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 09/01/2019 - 19:43

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Speaking of Pigpen and Janis - here she is onstage with the Dead doing Lovelight:

https://youtu.be/RmPkgSIkUeM

More of a novelty item than anyting. But she calls him Ron during the performance, so you know they're together. No self-respecting woman is going to refer to her bed mate as Pigpen. Not until the Southern Comfort takes hold at least.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 09/01/2019 - 21:18

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11/24/78. The Capital Theater NJ show.
Great show!
Speaking of 78, I know I am late to the party on this one, but I just finished my first listen of 30 Trips 78 show. This one absolutely rocks. The Half Step, might be a top five for me for now. Jerry just kills it for the whole show. The Estimated Eyes,
Not Fade Away, unbelievable. And the sound quality is one of the best 78 shows to date.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 02:54

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Jam base says there are photos in box set. Cool.

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Submitted by perithecat on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 05:20

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Think I’ve just seen a London bound fellow head on the Bedford to Brighton line . And I don’t think he was one of those ironic teenagers you see with their pink floyd / guns and roses / Motörhead etc t.shirts these days .

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 08:40

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Ding, ding, ding, ding.....winner, winner chicken dinner. Bob has many good one liners on that one. Now I’m not a huge 78 fan, but you’d think that show might get the video treatment?

PERITHECAT: ........WE ARE EVERYWHERE!

VGUY: 2/12/89 has a very interesting set list, we’ll have to check that out!

https://www.jambase.com/article/joe-russos-almost-dead-frost-amphitheat…
....I have a bachelor's in Cumberland Blues. This take gets an A++. Described on jambase as raucous. Description is spot on. It's been on repeat on my phone for a few days now.

....it literally started smoking, then died. Time for an upgrade I guess. Just ordered another one. Onkyo TX-NR686. Gonna take a week to get here.
My Bose soundbar is gonna get a workout.
It blew up while I was spinning the Franklin's from the DaP 31 philler. Guess it couldn't handle it. I'll finish it eventually.
Apparently, new receivers have apps. Wish this old fart luck.

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Submitted by bcboot on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 20:28

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OROBOROUS,
Thanks for your thoughts, I pulled the trigger on the box tonight! This is the first year that I ordered the box set. What sold me was the listening party for 7/9/89 listening with my headphones. The quality of the Birdsong blew me away.

As for your mystery quote, “Don’t think about it, just lean over and kiss your radio, no one will think poorly of ya”
I have no idea where that one comes from but I am curious to find out....
"My friends call me 'Whiskers' because I'm curious like a cat" -Will Ferrell in character as Harry Caray on SNL

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 20:44

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"The possibilities are endless"

Dick Bong...

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 09/02/2019 - 21:28

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Was Dick's favorite Scarlet/ Fire. Eeeeeee-I-dunno....I'll have to revisit it. The AUD recording I have isn't too hot sounding. Maybe that's why I haven't seen the light yet.

Deadvikes I also enjoy that 1978 show quite a bit, and someone recently put it in their top three from Boxzilla. In addition to the tracks tou mentioned, They Love Each Other has a great instrumental passage where Jerry and Keith are really up on things.

Vguy - enjoyed the insecure coffee joke :D

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 07:06

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I’ve Been listening to and enjoying view from the vault series, volumes 1 & 3 CD releasesthe mixes and performances from the band members I’m dig ‘n it! 🙏❤️💀🌹💀

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 07:09

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, “ excuse me while I whip this out“! Lol ha ha blazing saddles , a classic 🤠😚💨

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 07:31

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anyone else get their latest 45 or news of it?

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Submitted by NCDead on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 08:01

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I got the digital download last week and on Friday i got the shipment notice, but no tacking number attached.

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 08:03

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thanks for the info,,, I may have to hit you up for a digital copy,,,, I never seem to get mine?!?!

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 10:29

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Thanks, Oroborous. Sounds like your wife and mine definitely ride a similar vibe when it comes to the Dead. Her stance is that Jerry sounds "sweet" whereas Bobby sounds like "he's trying way too hard". To each her own.

And I'm with Deadvikes on the 5/14/78 Providence show from 30 Trips. Great show from start to finish, and so many hot moments. Gets some pretty regular play in Tripville. The Brown Eyed Women in particular is one of my favorites. 78 was always hit or miss with me (love Dick's 18, bypass Dick's 25), but I've gained a new appreciation for it over the past few years of closer listening.

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 11:29

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Most of the shows I attended were around the Midwest/Great Lakes region. Being from Michigan I would go to the regular stops in Chicago, Deer Creek, Alpine, Auburn Hills. Richfield Ohio, Buckeye, Pine Knob, Crisler Arena ('89 great couple of shows), a couple of trips out west to Compton Terrace ('90 was particularly good and '92 saw the return of Here Comes Sunshine - probably the jammiest of modern versions) plus a jaunt to the Omni Spring '90 for the run. Saw 5 of Jerry's final shows, 2 of Brents final shows. Also caught 2 Jerry shows on his '91 Fall tour at Rosemont and Bradley Center ( officially released!).

Always stayed on hotels. Never camped. Drove to all but '92 Compton Terrace which we flew. Had tickets to all but Buckeye '88 (still available at gate day of show and way oversold, place was packed).

My attendance began in '84 at Pine Knob (actually a pretty good show in the midst of a nice summer run) up through the final 2.

Sure do miss going to shows. Glad they're releasing them.

Over the years I've only grown to appreciate them more and dig into every era.

On the '91 tour that these Giants Stadium show come from, I attended Pine Knob and the first stop at Soldier Field. All three great shows and parts of all officially released. I remember watching the original "In Concert" broadcast of Eyes, St of Circumstance and Miracle. They were still riding the '89-'90 peak plus Bruce really brought the best out of Jerry.

Speaking of '91, I attended the Richfield run and those are sleepers. All three top notch and inspired shows up and down. They're overshadowed by MSG and Boston, which had epic shows. Probably the truly last consistently awesome tour that seemed to end with Bill Graham's final sendoff on Halloween. The energy changed in '92.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 09/03/2019 - 11:53

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What a show!!! So many good songs!!! My favorite Mississippi Half Step!! Estimated>Eyes.... He's Gone>NFA, return of Truckin..... One of those early well circulated shows!!! Bob t

By the time Englishtown came out.. Dick's Picks were in full swing and had made a tremendous impact on what I was listening to.

It's excellent from start to finish. What pulled me was the little jam out of He's Gone of all places and little niceties like the Peggy O, not to mention the jam material in the second set. Wowwy. The first time I listened to it in this audio quality, I began to realize just how lucky we were (are).

I really like 1-5, 7 and 8 when they first came out.. simply outstanding releases but adding 15 to the mix was heaven.

...and look at us now?

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 11:32

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BobT---catch me on the right day, ask me what my favorite show is, and there is an excellent chance that I'll say, "Englishtown!!" without hesitation.

Jim, you did not list Dick's Picks 6 as a personal hit. Way back when, I, too, discounted this pick (probably because of the sound), but in more recent years have come to truly cherish it. My spreadsheet notes ask of this show, "Is this the Grate-est second set ever?!" That Scarlet-Fire is crazy-good, and the TTATS show from a week later confirms (to my ears) that this is a period when the band was killing it, especially on Scarlet-Fire, Big RR, and BEW. YMMV. :)

And I really enjoyed DaP 27 (9/2/83).

I'm not a robot, but I MIGHT be MR. Robot . . . or Mr. Roboto . . .

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 12:07

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I like DP6.. but it's just not my favorite, go to classic.

Funny.. I knew I would get some push back on that one. :D

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 12:21

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Upper echelon show for sure. So good, from start to finish. Love the return of Trucking just kills it and a 20 minute NFA. Terrapin encore! And Hendrixfreak was there! Sound quality is really good for 20 years ago. Imagine if they mixed and mastered this one now.

Does anyone know if the four shows at the Paramount after this one are in the Vault?

We could keep harvesting a lot of 77 shows!

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 12:26

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Jim I agree with the He's Gone jam.... This version is so different than the June Winterland version. 3 months off really made this show unique!! DHB, I can see how it fits into your criteria.... If i ever had to go to that New York Times deserted island I would want to bring this show!!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 12:53

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This was a truly great show I was fortunate to be at. Years ago I used to think one of my best, but from day one I’ve never felt like the recording/release does it justice. Now, I still recall it fondly, but not perhaps upper tier?
Same with 3/27/88, one of the best I was at, but the recording/release only hints at its greatness.
That being said, I’m glad we have them, but it is a shame so many amazing shows are only PA centric cassettes ☹️

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 13:27

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Had a great time at that one too. Great show, great setlist.

As for Hartford, the sound probably has something to do with it. By the 80's, those indoor arenas would get pretty loud and rowdy with sound ricocheting off the walls and ceiling. The tapes have a boominess to them. Worcester too.. even MSG. The worst arena I recall, unless you had really great seats, was the Capitol Centre. It just had terrible acoustics, again unless you had a clear line of site to the band and speakers and were pretty damned close.

But those first few Dick's Picks were classics.. And now I guess we have become a little spoiled.

Love the enthusiasm here though.. and back to those indoor 80's sheds.. when they wanted to they could practically bring the house down. Some of the energy of those shows.. got so hot and humid sometimes mist would collect on the ceilings, consolidate into beads and come dripping right back down on us.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 14:27

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I would agree that Dicks 1-5 plus 7 and 8 were classics. Its years since I played number 6, so maybe I should revisit. At least I remember what it was-and the others listed above, without having to look them up. Burned into my memory.

Also around that time, the first two Vaults releases came out, and I can remember getting 100 Year Hall at the same time as Dicks Picks 3. I was amazed. Still am. A golden time to be into the Dead if you relied on releases and couldn't get to see them that often.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 15:07

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I have to say this is my favorite Scarlet>Fire... And I love all Scarlet>Fire's!!! So many awesome versions but this one does it for me!!!! Spent a good 10 years flying 150 or so flights a year for work from 97 to 07 and always had this one on a device to listen to on long flights!!! There is an interaction between Jerry and Keith that is just unmatched.... Bob t

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 16:16

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Pure excellence. If you have 10 minutes and a good set of headphones, this is outstanding. Jerry and Bobby just tear up the jam at the end of China Cat. Keith is audible on this one and provides some great melodies under it all. Jerry sets Rider on fire. They should just call it "Fire Rider".

Also love Englishtown. There is a unique quality to the audio that makes it sound a little bit like a matrix to me (I guess because it was outdoors). The Music Never Stopped is one of my favs from this one, and Mississippi Half-Step is no slouch.

Bobby T - DP 18 is one of my favorites. During my "casual" Dead listening years, the Scarlet Fire from this one and Closing Of Winterland were the only two versions I had. It's been awhile since I've listened to it. I'm going to check it out tonight and be on the lookout for the Garcia / Godchaux extravaganza you mentioned.

Spacebrother - wow! That is a good run of concerts. Unfortunately I was only able to catch them twice, and that was before I was really a hardcore Deadhead. I've seen a few other bands 20 - 30 times, so I share your enthusiasm for concerts. I'm in the Philly area, so my stomping ground was the Spectrum / JFK / Vet Stadium complex and Tower Theater in PA, as well as Camden, Holmdel, Atlantic City, and East Rutherford NJ, and then the NY locations - MSG, Randall's Island, Jones Beach, and the Knick at Albany (also made it as far north as Buffalo for a Rush concert). There was also the occasional journey south to Baltimore (saw a fantastic Roger Waters show in a small 5000 seater, before he climbed back up into the higher capacity arenas).

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 18:35

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Spot on Jim.

Places like the Rochester Auditorium, Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland and the H.J. Kaiser always seemed to deliver consistently good sound. For no other reason than their smaller size I would imagine. Providence and Philly were generally good too, but seating definitely had an impact. I never had a problem with Worcester, although we always had a pretty good draw for seats. Hartford was notoriously bad. The Carrier Dome was far and away the worst. As the 80s progressed, it just became more difficult to see the band in smaller venues. After 87, I think the smallest venues I saw the band were places the Mecca in Milwaukee and Hampton Roads. Both had decent sound.

By the way, thanks for bringing up 3/27/88 again. A great show indeed, but we’ve been over my unfortunate Hampton saga already.

For those who have not been, go catch a show at the Capitol Theatre in Port Chester. Spend one set on the floor and the other in the balcony. Far and away the best sound of any theater I have ever attended.

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Submitted by nitecat on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 20:49

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I have also been playin the Dick's and enjoying it. What an event!

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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Wed, 09/04/2019 - 20:58

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...or maybe you do. Just dove into Englishtown for the first time in at least 3 years, probably longer.
Not through it yet but, fook!, where have I been?
You know you're a spoiled deadhead when you've got soooo much crazy good shit you forget how good something like this is. Good grief...
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Terrapin encore?? getthefuckouttahere!

Recent posts of Englishtown got me thinking. Now that the Swing was released, we have two great, sort of stand-alone '77 shows, Englishtown and the Swing. Both now released, both excellent recordings, both great, unique shows.

Is it fair to compare them? First Terrapin vs. first Truckin' in years. Terrapin opener vs. Terrapin Encore.

Which show reigns supreme..
(ouch.. my head hurts, too hard to compute.. fzzttt pzzttt [visual of head twitching])

Perhaps Englishtown is more thundering, the Swing more jammy (PITB Sammy in the first set??). But man, two really excellent shows. I wasn't fortunate enough to see either, just a little too young, but I feel lucky they were both skillfully recorded and I can enjoy them anytime I want.

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Thu, 09/05/2019 - 08:34

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Which is not only dangerous, but truly frightening!!
I was going through all my Dp's Rt's & Da' P's last night. I have read many discussions on our favorite/least favorite/or "best" Dave's, but last night, I was looking at them in the context of each year(4 Picks), which is/are my favorites.
So, without trepidation, I say my favorite 3 years of Dave's(In order) are: 2014,2012,2017.

Anybody else care to chime in?

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 09/05/2019 - 08:51

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Also interesting that both of these shows don't have a Scarlet>Fire (I know Fire debuts the following month after Swing in March). I really like the Scarlet>Fires from 1977...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/05/2019 - 09:31

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That's racking my brain too.

2013 has that great Pauley Pavilion 73 show and the 11/30/80 matrix at the Fox.
2015 has that great Winterland 74 show.
2019 has the Swing and FE 1970.
2012 has the Mosque.

It's impossible to compute, I am beginning to twitch again.

I forgot to listen last night but will make up for it this weekend.
Working on 9/5 Set 2 now.

I had tix for all 3 nights but could only make it to 5 and 6. My friends who got my tix for the 4th had a great time.

Did 9-3-77 on the day and think that show is a great candidate for a Plangent remaster.

So, how about a couple of Box releases that include a Plangentized remaster of all Dicks Pick’s that came from reels?
And of course, the series can kick off with Plangentized copies of 12-18,19-73.
Now that would be just exactly perfect.

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Submitted by LedDed on Thu, 09/05/2019 - 20:53

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I'm stoked for your new receiver also. It's a total blast opening up equipment like that and blasting tunes for the first time. At first glance I thought the post said, "Jonesing like the James Gang." Which, with Joe Walsh in the band, was pretty much the same thing.

I'm giddy from Green Bay's win over Chicago tonight. Boo-hoo!

Getting my Tool tickets tomorrow.

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