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June 11, 2009 - 9:46am

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marye

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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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August 14, 2009 - 10:15pm

#1161

dstache

Joined:
September 10, 2007

various

Man, I sure hope that I haven't inadvertently vined anything that was once MP3. Most of the lossless I have vined I received from another source, and I don't think it was ever MP3, and I KNOW I didn't convert it to MP3. That would really suck. I wish someone else would post on the WAV v lossless topic, especially regarding my statement that a WAV copy of a copy of a copy of a copy etc of a WAV copy converted from lossless has more loss than the original WAV copy. I might be wrong there. But, I will admit, I was a little irritated by the WAY I was told I was wrong. That may be oversensitivity on my part, or even the fact that posts, like emails, can be easily misinterpreted. I have been busy with other stuff and haven't posted some things I wanted to post. The 68 vine will be posted soon. All I have to do is copy and burn CB's disc. Oh Yeah has not gotten back to me about the burning speed or whatever the problem he and other MAC users are having with how my PC/Vista burns DVDs, so this will go out as my past vines have gone out. I will finish up the 77 after that and then take a little break from posting vines. So, although I said I would reseed the Nov 72 vine, I am going to bow out on that and hope someone else fills that hole. I have some other stuff to vine (I just got ALL of 1979), but am going to hold off for a while, though I will eventually vine it.
August 14, 2009 - 7:29pm

#1162

UncleJon

Joined:
June 26, 2007

ya da ya da ya da...'74 JG Project Vine

let's get back to the nuts and bolts of why we're here...the music...if you want to confirm that a vine has been converted from MP3 to lossless there are several ways to do that. I am guessing 95% of us take on faith that the vines circulated as lossless are lossless - and the rest have the means to check that they are the real deal. On that note...how about a vine a la the '77 lossless project? I propose the Garcia '74 shows all lossless and on DVD only. This would be in 5 installments. Many of them will be audience shows recorded by one of our great preservationist brothers (along with others), the recently deceased Jerry Moore, along with a large number of SBD recordings. Much of this material are the shows recorded with the late Merl Saunders. In my humble opinion, '74 was one of Jerry's best years, if not his best year for solo non-GD work. Below I list the 5 installments of this collection, if any one has any improved/additional shows to add let my know via PM and I will add them. As far as I know, these represent the best of what is out there, but again, what the hell do I know? Installment One (of Five) '74 Garcia Project: jg74-01-17.jgms.aud.tobin.76471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.dts-corrected.tobin.90398.flac jg74-01-17.jgms.mtx.tobin.90365.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.kaplan.20678.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.tobin.76474.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-18.jgms.aud-falanga.jupille.8873.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-19.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8064.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.jjoops.11254.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.ladner.32088.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-09.jgms.partial.sbd.seff.6381.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.jjoops.17787.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.kung.30597.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-16.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8063.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-16.jgms.sbd.gems.91471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-xx.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8654.sbeok.shnf jg74-03-08.partial.kpfa-gans.32377.sbeok.flac16 jg74-03-09.jgms.sbd.unknown.33750.sbeok.flac16 Installment Two: jg74-04-20.gamb.sbd.smith.93823.sbeok.flac16 jg74-04-20.gasb.sbd.tamarkin.20699.sbeok.shnf jg74-04-27.oaitw.aud.unknown.21525.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-04.jgms.sbd.gmb.90003.sbeok.flac16 jg74-06-04.jgms.sbd.unknown.6379.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-05.jgms.s2.sbd.jjoops.8062.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-06.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.6375.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-12.gasb.aud.falanga.moore.berger.83232.sbeok.flac16 jg74-06-12.gasb.sbd.jupille.83290.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-12.gasb.sbd.shriver-jjoops.7331.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-13.gasb.sbd.jjoops.13768.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-02.jgms.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.14984.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-03.jgms.aud.jazzy.6611.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-03.jgms.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.14985.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-12.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8072.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-13.jgms.sbd.misshn.25623.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.gmb.86198.sbeok.flac16 jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.sacks.10127.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.unknown.4488.sbeok.shnf Installment Three: jg74-08-09.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.8073.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-11.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.jjoops.6382.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-15.jgms.aud.falanga.8650.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-23.jgms.aud.unknown.9416.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-24.jgms.sbd.jjoops.10612.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-30.jgms.sbd.sacks.6380.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-31.jgms.aud.falanga.8078.sbeok.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.gkelley.8652.sbefail.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.sterchele.76174.sbeok.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.unknown.31903.sbeok.flac16 jg74-10-04.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.8649.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-05.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8665.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-06.jgms.partial.sbd.unknown.9026.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-27.jgms.late.aud.powell.ladner.23676.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-31.jgms.sbd.cousinit.19436.sbeok.shnf Installment Four: jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-07.jgms.early.aud.moore.weiner.jjoops.14306.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.9711.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.jjoops.16839.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.sonyecm.moskal.94547.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-09.jgms.late.slabicky.jjoops.8661.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.lemarre.18202.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.unknown.95767.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-13.jgms.early.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.10128.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-14.jgms.early.aud.warburton.weiner.jjoops.16461.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-14.jgms.late.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.6383.sbeok.shnf Installment Five: jg74-11-15.jgms.late.sbd.lai.4487.sbefail.shnf jg74-11-15.jgms.sbd.late.misshn.8071.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-16.jgms.aud.early.moore.minches.jjoops.16808.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-16.jgms.aud.late.moore.minches.jjoops.16809.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-27.jgms.sbd.gems.91343.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-27.jgms.sbd.partial.gems.89216.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-28.jgms.sbd.gmb.85987.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-28.jgms.sbd.lai.4486.sbefail.shnf jg74-12-15.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8177.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-28.jgms.aud.misshn.24317.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-29.jgms.early.aud.disalvo.taperpat.93978.sbeok.flac16 jg74-12-29.jgms.late.shure.disalvo.jjoops.8643.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-29.jgms.shure.cbass.17019.sbeok.shnf May the music live on...Peace UJ. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
August 14, 2009 - 7:10pm

#1163

Lopezz

Joined:
February 9, 2008

Wow

Are there really vines that have been downloaded as mp3 and encoded it flac? I use Cool Edit Pro to find this out when I download. If a file has already been changed to mp3 it doesn't improve when its coverted back. If people do not check for this, music can really get polluted! If its in mp3 format so be it, everyone will know what they are getting. Please do not them back to flac.
August 14, 2009 - 6:43pm

#1164

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

and bloom brightly...

sorry for the negativity...I've said my peace and will now get out. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
August 14, 2009 - 6:40pm

#1165

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

absolutely....

and that's great of him, Brother...I'm not at all saying his contributions aren't appreciated...quite to the contrary....it's his critical actions are what I take issue with....perhaps I'm just interpreting his post(s) wrong....his posts, in conjunction with his past comments towards me, have certainly shaped my opinion of him....perhaps I'm being too harsh but even after re-reading his post I still get the same vibes...I do *hope* I'm wrong. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
August 14, 2009 - 6:39pm

#1166

marye

Joined:
May 26, 2007

um, hello...

enough with the posturing and name-calling. Let a thousand flowers bloom. Thank you.
August 14, 2009 - 6:31pm

#1167

johnman

Joined:
December 26, 2007

wow

i musta missed sumpin....dont remember anybody insulting any body...i do know erickat has sent me copies of shows as i am too dense to figure out how to copy this stuff. thanx man!
August 14, 2009 - 6:07pm

#1168

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

BETTER QUESTION:

Raise your hand if you truly *missed* Erickat while he was "gone"? Perhaps he rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning with his unjust and prejudice actions towards me (with no apology).... but I just get blow-hard vibes from virtually *all* of his comments... (i.e. "I've been here, and have been listening, and responding and will continue, dispite the lack of "superstar" status that has been conferred upon some who have arrived after me & sought the limelight to their own supplication - e.g. putting their name into each vine they seed, even if it's a group effort.") Nobody's trying to steal your "limelight" Bro...and you are/were hardly a "superstar"....Dstache takes that cake...he has streamlined the vining process and at the same time he's caught it up with the times (someone had to do it)...you're vining, and probably living, in the past, Man. Times have changed since that picture was taken... ;) Don't be mistaken though my fellow music lover...your logic is valid....but only in the days of Great Wizards and Masters, neither of which apply to this century or to reality in general. Sorry if you do not feel as important or relevent as you have in the past but that is something only you have control of...it's *your* legacy, and yours alone...live and let live...If you don't want to sign up for specific vines, don't. But insulting and demeaning comments towards individuals who have done absolutely nothing to you to warrant such actions is immature and honestly makes me wanna vomit. I have contributed my 2 cents and hope they are well spent. ...I would like to give a special thank you to Dstache for all he has done for my, and many's, collection of Good Ol' Grateful Dead!!!! I (we) now have a collection that will last the test of time without having to spend hours of our time trying to obtain it....now we can use that time to ENJOY it!!!! And for that, "Great Wizard"...your "apprentices" are....eternally grateful. anywho...back to LIFE. :) and try to smile a lil bit...it feels MUCH better :)
August 14, 2009 - 4:50pm

#1169

stuman

Joined:
November 21, 2007

there are lot`s of lossless downloads

On shn/flac.net that have been downloaded from archives.org as mp3 , then converted to lossless re-uploaded to shn/flac as lossless .. That one kinda gets me wondering uumm whats the point in downloading mp3 converting to LL then spend twice the time or more to download it from shn/flac as shn/flac. I can just download the mp3 then convert it to shn/flac myself ,.? thats a whole lot of time converting downloading/uploading , so how much if any data is lost doing things this way ?
August 14, 2009 - 4:39pm

#1170

Gr8fulTed

Joined:
July 9, 2007

So how many vines have existed in an mp3 sequence?

Raise your hand if you've circulated a Vine with an mp3 suffix converted to a wav, shn or flac?

Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

Stay safe and healthy out

Stay safe and healthy out there.

Back to the Dead!!!

I have been away for a couple of months dealing with a very unexpected death in our family. Being the oldest of 3 I had to handle the details of which there were many in a very unorganized fashion. The storm has finally passed thank (insert whoever you belive in here). I believe it is safe to resume vining. I apologize for not posting here sooner,but I'm sure everyone here will understand the situation. It looks as if there are some really cool vines in the mix. I think I have two vines, that I will find out who is next in line and send off asap!! I apologize for the delays and will repair my surely tarnished vining reputation stat!! Kevin

welcome back

Kevin. Sorry about ur loss and no worries. There are a few of us here who have been having issues as of late. I hope smileydave still doing alright. Thanks again for the update. As we all know communication is a must in this lil place.

Sorry for your loss

That stuff is always very hard. Don't worry, your reputation is just fine here brother! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Estim8ed

Sorry for your loss, Kevin. Glad to have you back.

Estim8ed

Sorry to hear of your loss .. welcome back .. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

Thanks to all

Thanks for the support guys. I have sent off one vine (New 90's Pt 1) and I cannot locate the other that I was supposed to have (Capital Center '91) I posted to the vine offering blanks if someone would re-seed. That should have me up to date. If anyone knows of vines that I was the death of let me know and I will try to help. Again thanks to eveyone in this community for your understanding of life's ups and downs and for all you do for the vineyard. Especially those who have vined with me for years now and always have the back of a brother, as I wil always have yours when you need it.Kevin

things are

starting to turn arond here, slowly though. I will try to get working on some of these vines, jst depends on how much stamina i have. thanks all for your well-wishes and patience

good wishes to all

It seems a few folks have been through some hard times lately and they have received nothing but kindness and understanding. Here's some good springtime wishes to all of you! I think the members of this vineyard really must be one of the nicest groups of people anywhere on the web.

I agree with Badger

We rock! Hang in there Matt and take your time! Anybody going to Furthur Sunday night? "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."

We rock

A very special place indeed. Sure wish I was going to be in NY this weekend... ahh well .. Matt - Great to hear that things are getting better! Please take your time with vine turn around. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Attention My Fellow Viners

There is a chance that I may be moving by April. If I do or not I will let you know. Hopefully I can still vine but if life gets in the way the vineyard would have to be put on hold for me. If this is the case I will mail any remaining vines that haven`t been signed up on to JSFC to hold onto.-Jake

Sounds like fun Jake...

at least I hope so - good luck with the move as for me - I'll be back in Calif. Tuesday night I got a couple vines with me that I may get out on Monday the ones waiting for me in Sunnyvale will be turned around within a day or two of my return THANKS ALL!!

FURTHUR LAST NIGHT

Without sounding too hyperbolic, last night's Furthur show (3/27) at Radio City was far and away the best post-Jerry show of any type I have seen. If you get the chnce, check out the setlist and even more check out the guests, Elvis Costello, Diana Krall, etc, etc. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."

Furthur Set List 3/27

Set I: Samson & Delilah Chest Fever (w/Larry Capmbell) Tennessee Jed (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Friend of The Devil (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Ship of Fools > (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) It Must Have Been The Roses > (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Ship of Fools (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Cassidy Ripple (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Set II: Throwing Stones Sunrise (w/Teresa Williams) St. Stephen > Radio City jam > St. Stephen > What's Become of The Baby > (w/Teresa Williams) The Eleven > Uncle John's Band... (w/Larry Campbell) Unbroken Chain > The Wheel > Morning Dew > Sugar Magnolia Encore: Donor Rap Days Between Encore II: Phil Banter Jam > (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Fever (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Encore III: Phil banter/intros Attics of My Life (w/Elvis Cosello & Teresa Williams) Does anyone out there know if the Dead ever did "Whats Become of the Baby" live? "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."

What's become of the baby

I think it was last played by the GD in 1969. They did one on 4/26/69 in Chicago. Of course Furthur did it at FurthurFest last year. I agree that they are firing on all cylinders so far in 2011!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

It does sound good

Keep a song in your heart. Downloaded at bt.etree.org

I wish the mic's were

Keep a song in your heart. higher i never did care for the crowd noise.

thanks all

for the well wishes...what a helluva past 6 weeks. now that all the crap is behind its time to start burnin' and turnin', spinnin' and grinnin'......will try to keep posted but be on the lookout for packages from wisconsin!!!

i found a new app for my android

It's called vibe vault, I can download shows directly to my phone from archives.org .. This is awesome since I can't find a flax player for Android or a download manager that actually works .. just thought I would share this with you all ... Take care .... " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "

Update

I will be stayin at my current address for a little while longer it seems.

ok y'all

i'm not 100% yet but please contact me before shifting me around in order on vines. it was grately appreciated, but i can handel a few vines. and just to update, i just "beat on this round the big C"......total remission, am weak but gettin by. and besides now that the snow is gone, ain't nothin' better than a walk to the p.o......thanks again all!

maustin

Take care brother. That is great news and man, I'm sorry you are going through that. <> "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

That's weird

Anyways, it was supposed to say inside the <> ... positive healing wishes and vibes to you "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Great news, Matt!

Hang in there, brother! Get well! Joe

MATT

The positive vibes will continue to be sent your way from the Vineyard. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."

i am sorry

sorry about crazy stupid rant , no excuses , was on mushrooms bad , i am sorry if i ever said anything bad about anyone personally

Help

I have been investigating different ways to store files on line, that would be accessible by more than one person. I have put some shows on a skydrive. The files are downloadable, no passwords are needed. If any of you want to try it out, feel free and PM me to let me know how it worked. (or didn't work) Here is the address: http://cid-0908c9749ff4b1b3.skydrive.live.com/home.aspx?sa=795624458

Update

I will be vining the 1969 Lossless Project composed of 5 parts by the end of the month. I will being posting multiple parts at once. I ask that once these get the go ahead, no one has more than one vine at a time, please. So if you sign up first on more than one, I will be sending it to the person after you. Don't take it as disrespect I just wanna keep this music moving. That being said, enjoy this healthy dose of Pigpen and 1969.

69 lossless

So, Jake, are you including the shows that were vined as Early 69 (which included most of Jan-Apr) in the 1969 Lossless Project? I don't know if there are 5 parts if you don't include those shows. I am very interested in all the shows not included in the Early 69 parts. Thanks!

jake r

Cancel that, just saw your post in the Early 69 thread. Makes sense. Looking forward to the later shows!

1969 Lossless Project

Glad to see everyones excited about these vines. Ive been wanting some shows from this great yr in lossless for some time now as the majority that have been vined here were on cd that I signed up on forever ago it seems. Listening to the Lovelight from an old Woodstock Bootleg many years ago got me to be a Pigpen fan. Thanks to Rick for sendin me the shows and I hope you all enjoy these as much as I do. You can never have too many Dark Stars, The Other Ones, or Lovelights IMO. Long live the vineyard and happy vining to all.

Rick? As in Ltapilot? It's

Rick? As in Ltapilot? It's because of him the '67 vine is out there...Thanks Rick

No doubt!

LTAPilot behind the scenes!! Thanks for everything Rick =) If I remember correctly he lives like 30 min from me ... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

an LTApilot sighting?

cool!

Help

I have been able keep things mostly organized since being part of this community. I am at a total loss. I got some Feb-Mar 2011 Further stuff in the mail, and I have been up and down the threads, and I don't see a 2011 Further vine. I am sure it's right in front of my face. Is there a 2011 Further Vine?

No worries EDAD

Not a Furthur Vine. Just a couple of shows to share. Best Wishes-Jimmy

1969 Update

Well it appears I need a new burner. I wont be able to get one for a lil bit so I`ve sent all my original 1969 DVDs from Rick to kwitt so he can burn and turn instead of me risking more DVD issues. Everyone should be getting replacement discs and Parts 4 and 5 should be sent soon.I apologize for the hangup but I promise its worth the wait.

No problem Jake, thanks for

No problem Jake, thanks for all your hard work on this one! And thanks for stepping in, Kwitt!

1969 Update

The original DVDs arrived today. Will burn and turn each of the five vines ASAP. Thanks Jake!

1969 Update

I have re-burned all 5 vines although it looks like JBH69Flyer fixed #1. The remaining 4 will ship tomorrow. I'll update each vine list once they ship. Thanks to Jake for providing well organized info. Great stuff here folks!

1969 Vine Part One Update

Thanks kwitt for the great job on fixing the 1969 Vines. Yes, I was able to DL the needed shows to fix the 1969 Vine Part One. Planning to send zepthompson my fixes and then send the vine out to the next person on the list. Thanks again to Jake R for starting this vine and kwitt for the fixes. Great Stuff!! Best Wishes-Jimmy

awesome work

Keith and Jimmy side note headed out of town later this week I'll try to update any vines where it looks like I should be knocked down a notch or two gone for one week - should not be a big deal thanks again every one!

Zep

I wouldn't worry about making any adjustments to lists ... we can wait =) Have a good trip! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

1969

Thanks to all involved in these vines - LtaPilot, Jake R, Kwitt and JBH69Flyer. What a very awesome effort! Cheers =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

hey now folks

It's been a while since I posted anything so I just wanted to check in and say hello . Looks like I am stuck in salt lake city for the weekend ,, :-( Anyway, hope all is well with everyone !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!