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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

    GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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  • DeadVikes
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    Sorry for your loss Sixtus. Losing a parent or loved one is no fun. All my best to you and your family.
    Thanks for the link to the Dave L interview. Interesting read.
    Think how lucky we are that Cutler recorded 3 tours from 89 to 90 for Without a Net in multi track. That is the summer of 89, the fall 89 and Spring 90.
    A huge chunk of shows from those tours have been released, but we have some left for sure.

    He also mentions how they recorded the famed 80 Warfield and Radio City runs in 32 track! You never know, maybe this is the year.

    OROBOROUS, good to see you back in the mix. Happy New Year! Man, have you seen a ton of cool shows. The stories I am sure you could tell.

    Peace.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    In 92 saw Blues Traveler there in the spring and Phish in December.
    First time for both bands, won the BT tix on the radio for answering a Beatles trivia question which I only knew the answer to because a friend who loved Beatles and Dylan was always telling me trivia.

    Condolences Sixti Clan.
    May the Force be with you.

    Small venues and no-name bands.....
    Some bar bands can turn out to be a lot of fun.
    It just takes a few drinks....

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    I had an interesting one last week.

    For some reason, I started looking up info/images on Ventura County Fairgrounds (site of my first GD show)

    I saw a note that Jimi Hendrix played there in 70 (i think)

    ok

    so the next day I go to MoPop (a music/pop culture museum) here in Seattle

    They have a specific reference to Jimi playing that show in...Ventura.

    It was interesting to me, at least.

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    I'm at whole foods in Framingham and they are playing 'born under a bad sign'. I can't believe it.

  • Mr. Ones
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    Sixtus, you and the family have my sympathy and my empathy. Lost my mom in 2001, my dad in 2007. Funny, but no matter how old I get, I am still my parents' kid. I never stop feeling like an orphan. A good quote I read once stated-"My mother taught me everything I need to know, except how to live without her". :(

    Peace and Love to all

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    I'm sorry for your loss of your father, losing a parent is really tough. Hopefully the passage of time will ease you and your family's sadness.

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    ....just came across this in my inbox and thought I would share:

    https://jambands.com/features/2020/01/07/ready-or-not-david-lemieuxs-ex…

    Hope everyone is enjoying the New Year. On this end, 2019 ended as I thought it might, with the passing of my dad a week prior to Christmas who had a valiant battle with stage 4 cancer over the past 15 months. It was a difficult time but it was also positive in that family was all together for the end of the year and able to all pull together in a quietly shared strength. Each day is a new day, and my dad is somewhere free and having fun in his celestial gardens.

    I am working to envision a bright outlook for 2020 all things considered - trying to keep focus on the things that matter but trying to enjoy each and every day as best as I can despite the world's relentless adversity. Coming here on a daily basis helps to ease my soul, as Jerry might sing.

    Be Well Everyone.
    Sixtus

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    Sometimes you get shown the light.....

    So many shows, so little memory left, lol
    From the biggest, Woodstock 94, where I worked the first few days at the original site, then up to Saugerties late Saturday night; Aerosmith, Allman Bros, Santana, Traffic, Jimmy Cliff. Dylan, breifly from afar, and same with Metalica. Still, to this day, after 42 years of concert going, the power and magnitude of that weekend blows me away!
    ...to small ones, opening up for Del McCourey at 4 eagle ranch, opening up and playing after set for DSO at State Bridge, seeing Garcia, Sitting cross legged on the floor, so close to Jerry we could of touched him, in the tiny Gym at Brockport SUNY 81, the Radiators at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, Winston Marsalis, Jorma, Bromberg, Chuck Mangione, Go Ahead and others at the Tralf in Buffalo, Many years VIP at Rocky Grass and Folks fest, and other, even smaller Blugrass feats. The Allman Brothers and Weir at the original, idyllic, tiny Darian Lake Amphitheatre, Al Dimiola in a small cafeteria at UB, Return to Forever, JGB, the ABB and my first Dead show at Shea’s Buffalo Theatre. Many small venues while doing merch with Ziggy Marley and the Band in the 90s.....one that really stands out is the Band at the Party tent in downtown Rochester in summer of 84, first row, tripping. After, the crowd wouldn’t stop, even after the crew started to tear down, so they ended up coming back out several times! One of the best shows I ever had the pleasure!
    Hundreds, thousands? of small gigs playing or crewing. Played gigs on a raft down the Colorado, and on top of resorts via snowcat and gondola, including Marti Gras for the worlds highest Craw fish boil atop Vail Mountain....(that fucker was cold!)
    Yeeshk, no wonder I’m tired 😉
    I’m not sure I could list them all if I tried? But one things for sure, none of it was like seeing the GOGD on one of “those” nights. especially hangin with Lee Esdee in the front row on the rail joking around with the boys etc! Phew, still gives me shivers...

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    I have that show, great quality, if you want.

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    Shows or tours that if I could use the way back machine:

    1. Grateful Dead 11/8/69 Fillmore Auditorium-- actually, just drop me in San Francisco in this time frame for one month so I could see so many amazing shows. I bet Hendrix played.
    2. Muddy Waters anytime in the 1950s, preferably in a Chicago blues club
    3. Rolling Stones 1972 tour of America
    4. Miles Davis c. 1958 with John Coltrane-- so many amazing albums with that quintet.
    5. Talking Heads Stop Making Sense tour
    6. Derek and the Dominoes, 1971

    Regrets
    1. Tom Petty-- so many chances to see, but I never pulled the trigger. I bought the four cd Live Anthology about 6 months ago and have been regretting this miss ever since. That anthology rocks.
    2. The Who 1989 reunion tour. That summer I did the Dead shows and Rolling Stones at Alpine, I just couldn't do The Who, too. Never have gotten to see them and without Entwistle, why bother.
    3. I should have gone to more GD shows in 89 and 90, plus I never did see them indoors. I should have gone to some of those Rosemont Horizon shows or MECCA in spring 89. Alas...
    4. I saw Clapton many times from 1988-98, but that 1998 tour sucked and I never gave him another chance. I should have gone to one of the shows on the 2006/07 tour with Derek Trucks and Doyle Bramhall III. That was the tour I wanted out of him when I was a full-blown EC-Head in the mid-90s. Resurrected some Dominoes stuff that he hadn't played since 1971.

    Overall, not many regrets in the 30+ years of concerts. Generally, I have gone to shows that I wanted to attend. Big venue, small venue-- it is all good. Of course, a club or small venue is preferred, but once a band hits it big, forget the small venues. Loved seeing some of the older blues guys in small clubs in the 1990s-- saw Buddy Guy at a now-defunct club in Madison, WI in early 1991 that blew us away; Otis Rush at a tiny blues club in Milwaukee in 1998; and one of the best shows I have ever seen, Luther Allison at the Rave in Milwaukee 1998. Ratdog in the early 2000s at the Kalamazoo State Theater was the most intimate spot I have seen any Dead members and that show cooked.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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As I sit here listening, smiling--midway thru Disc 1 Jack Straw--I'm thinking to myself, "Ya know, I'd order a five-year Dave's Pick subscription if they offered it tomorrow"....then I thought to myself "ya know...shit, I'd order a life-time Dave's Pick subscription if they offered it tomorrow!!" Time for another beer.....

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Vinyl arrived today and already spun through once...this is an instant classic for me and will get multiple spins...all 3 discs are excellent, but highlights for me are Lay Lady Lay, Mountain Dew, and Don’t Think Twice it’s Alright/Understand Your Man outtakes.... but this whole set is one that I could listen to over and over!

#32 arrives tomorrow!

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Would love to hear more about how the sound quality is. Will not have mine in MN until Tuesday ☹️. For some reason, all year on the Dave's Picks for me have been 5 to 6 days past release date. I was lucky with the Giants Box, it arrived on the release date.

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Don't know how they do it time after time. This is possibly especially nice. I just finished it. It was great

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Got mine yesterday, at first, I thought it was another LP as it was a very small package for 3 pieces of vinyl, the format package reminds me of the gatefold covers of olde. Argent's "Ring Of Hands" and Johnny Winters " Live "
It is a great set of vinyl, even 'ere indoors ' commented on the Johnny Cash, my favorite part of the set are Sides 1 and 2 at the present time. DaP 32 may not arrive for another 3 weeks, so there is plenty of time to revisit this.

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To these rock-n-roll damaged ears, I thought the sound quality was outstanding....side note: my delivery order notice says/ and still says, "Monday-by the end of the day".......maybe I'll get two??....LOL

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My DP32 arrived today but only one of the two copies I pre-ordered was included. Prior to the warehouse transition I've always got what I ordered on time. Now nothing but delays and missing or damaged goods.

Now I play the waiting game, will they respond to customer service ticket?
I've already had several other tickets for orders go with no response yet in two weeks...

I guess I will hope for the best that I will still get what I paid for but they will probably be out of stock by the time they even read my customer service ticket. Someone needs to fix this mess..

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Am I the ONLY one, or is anyone else SICK and TIRED of the goddamn yellow box on the side telling you to get on the LIST???!!!

I'm on the fuckin' list already!

One fuckin line of code,,,, Is customer on list? Don't post yellow box! Seems like simple coding!!!

Good day all,,, time to rip in Bob for work tonight.

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Thanks for feedback gents. Can't wait to get it next week.

In the meantime Winterland 73 has been getting a workout. Enough said on how great this box is. If any of you have missed this one, you can still get a used one on eBay or Discogs for under $150, which is well worth it.

Looking for some assistance with digital downloads. I have three from nugs.net, Download series 1, which is the 77 Palladium show from 4/30, this show kicks ass by the way, Download series 9 and 6.
All in ALAC loaded to iTunes and played through my Sonos system. All the songs have a 10 second audio out at the end of the songs, super annoying. Does anyone know how to get rid of that 10 second pause?
Much appreciated.

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Had a tape of this show, then a digital SBD copy from Archive (before SBD downloads were verboten). The sound on Dave's 32 is an improvement. What a GREAT show!

I don't know if it's the luck of the draw, but I've had few problems with my orders over the decades. A few bad discs, that were promptly replaced. I don't gamble, but perhaps I should try my luck in Vegas (kidding, all the flashing lights in casinos spook me).

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Arrived today, ahead of schedule, spinning Cumberland on disc 1 now. Sounds great, it's the Dead, it's from '73 - what more could I ask for?

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..Has landed! Great show, sounds awesome! ;)

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....that's how they attract. Like moths to a flame. Will never find a clock in a casino either.
Good to see Moses Quasar is still here.
Also, good to see Cumberland representing. My ears definitely perk up when that comes on.

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I can usually eliminate any long pauses in GD shows by doing the following, keep in mind I have an older iTunes program.

1. Highlight the 1st song - unfortunately you'll have to do this individually for each song.
2. File > Get Info OR Right Click > Get Info OR Command/ 'I' All info for that song should appear.
3. There are 6 tabs at the top; choose 'Options'
4. The 'STOP' box with the song length should be there.
6. Check the small box to the left and adjust until it's exactly perfect.
7. Check the small box for 'Remember Playback Position' to the right of 'PLAYBACK'.
8. OK

Hope this helps, but like I said it's an older program.

DaP 32 has arrived today, and #991 to boot! Glad to have this one hassle free and really looking forward to spinning it as Spring 73 is the band's absolute pinnacle in my opinion. Shaping up to be a perfect autumn Saturday, cheers!

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Ho boy!! Now the weekend is complete. Ok, beer, check. Cigars, check. Dap 32, check. Pretzels, check. Good times.

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Everything that you think that is going to be good listening to this is!!! Here Comes Sunshine, Playing in the Band, China>Rider, the stand alone Stella, He's Gone>(all of Disc 3).... Loser, Me and Bobby McGee, and Row Jimmy sort of stand out also!!!

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BobT is right. Finished a first listen and there is a lot of good stuff here, and that whole disc 3 smokes.

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Hooray!!!

Heres 2 fasst delivery 4 everyone

Thank you for the info on this Dave, I appreciate it.
Gave it a shot, unfortunately no change.
It is 10 seconds of dead air, no audio at all at the end of the songs. We always want to hear the transitions to the next song, very important. Maybe this is why the download series was short lived?

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I was thinking last week that you were probably the last guy to change his profile pic. And look at you now. Aren't you afraid that it might change your luck by getting rid of the lucky 7. If your going to play craps this week put me down for a two two on the hard four. $100 bet.

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I downloaded all the Download series releases as they came out. I cannot remember precisely what I did but they were certainly downloaded to a Windows computer and burned to CD using EAC or Nero (I cannot remember which). Tracks are contiguous i.e. no 2 second gaps or 10 second gaps between tracks. I did not use iTunes or anything Apple at any stage of the process. The Apple part could be what is causing you problems.

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Anyone else in the US that was a subscriber not receive a shipping notice for 32 yet?

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Here trying to re-rip some of my GD collection and I'm noticing disc 1 of Rocking the Cradle is not ripping for me. I looked at it and noticed incredible scratching on the disc surface. Funny thing is I took a glance at the rest of the set and they look relatively pristine! Help! :-)

P.S. Buses

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Is the one skipping most badly. I've scoured some of my backups and most of my archived copies seem fine except track 8. Anyone have that one track in FLAC?

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....notice would say Monday, so I’d stroll on down to the ole PO, and usually on Saturday there’d be a key in our box for one of those package boxes, and there it’d be, a new Dave’s or whatnot, in all its glory......last several releases, the torturous bastards haven’t been doing that, just the slip in the box, which one of us now has to try and get down there during their banker hours (when we’re supposed to be at work), and then stand in line for usually between 10-20 minutes and wait. Plus instead of having alllll day today to enjoy, I already know I’m not going to have enough time to sit down and actually LISTEN to the whole thing until next weekend, uugghh!.....really like to do that at least the first time, ahem, sorry, I’m whining like a little beeaatch, and yes I’m am jealous of all y’all that have or are going to wallow in the Golden yummy splendor of this magnificent gift from yee ole GD Gods!! Fuggin 73 Mates!, 73! Well, cheers to all you lucky Chil-rens that got yours, Enjoy!

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Finished this one up in the wee hours of the morning and man is it good. Sound quality is pristine. There are so many great shows in this series now that it gets tough to rank them, but this one jumps immediately into my top 5!

Highlights for me:

Disc One:
Cumberland
Box of Rain
Row Jimmy
Wave that Flag (fun to see the early workings & development of this one)
Disc 2:
Here Comes Sunshine
Me & Bobby McGee
China Rider
Stella Blue
Disc 3:
The whole damn thing fucking smokes.....gonna have to put it on again right now!!!

Enjoy this one dead peoples.....it really is something special...we are a super lucky group of robots!

Happy Sunday Funday!!!

KCJ

Oh and for those interested, here are the timing sequences for the songs on Disc 3:

He's Gone> (13:52)
Truckin> (10:04)
Jam> (22:30)
Dark Star> (4:10)
Sing Me Back Home (10:03)......(I really love this version)
Sugar Mags (9:43)
JBG (3:55)

I have the Download Series but no 10 sec. gap during any songs on any of the releases - anyone else have/don't have gaps with the Download Series? I'm using a MacBook Pro and just the usual time between songs with audience noise/clapping.

Well that's encouraging news. Thanks KCJ.

I think the next show (3/26, Baltimore) flows nicely after listening to this one. If it were me, I would release them back to back (or at the same time somehow). Fond memories of these two, so glad half the duo finally got the Full Norman.

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Got mine yesterday even though the tracking info said end of day Monday. Pleased to get it on the weekend, but like many of my fellow adult Deadheads, not enough free time to listen to it all yet.
First impressions from giving it a test drive while running errands around town:
Bertha - Fair to middling opener with funny blown "cue" by Jerry; average version.
Beat It On Down The Line - Oof. This is rough. The off-key Donna vocals are in full force. Hoping for better from Bobby on later tracks.
Don't Ease Me In - God, I love this song. Not a great version, but so nice to hear a young Jerry singing this.
The Race Is On - Pretty solid '73 version, nothing remarkable.
Cumberland Blues - Surprised to read so many positive comments about this version; didn't make an impression.
Box Of Rain - Quote from headyversion.com: "Seriously, this is awful. The only listenable versions are Sep 17 1970, and the two "breakout" versions in March 1986 (20 and 24)." Sounds about right.
Row Jimmy - Okay version. Doesn't have the shimmering quality of some of the Winterland '73 performances, but pretty good. Donna damages it, of course.
Jack Straw - Quality drop-off from the '72 versions, but not bad. Unremarkable.
They Love Each Other - First big highlight of the show. I love the bouncy versions of TLEO, and anything slower than the studio version on Reflections sounds like a dirge to me. This is a pretty great one with no notable fuckups.
Mexicali Blues - Better than the other Bobby performances so far; good version.
Tennessee Jed - Decent but, again, unremarkable.
Looks Like Rain - Jerry seems to have found a way to replace the lap steel from Europe '72 with a weepy guitar sound; unfortunately, this version is marred by Bob's vocals ranging from too quiet to too loud, and I had to adjust my volume up and down multiple times; background vocals predictably off-key.
Wave That Flag - Another pretty good version, as this develops toward becoming U.S. Blues.
El Paso - Okay version to end disc 1 on a bit of a thud (unless you're a HUGE El Paso fanatic); overall impression of this first disc: I might pop it in to hear the TLEO again some time, but that's about it.
CD 2
Here Comes Sunshine - Really nice, tight version; under 9 minutes, so it leaves me wanting more; some of the guitar work toward the end sounds distorted, but I can't tell if that's Jerry or the tape.
Me and Bobby McGee - Second surprise highlight after TLEO. A very solid version (although the drums at the beginning are surprisingly weak and plodding...weird); Jerry's bg vocals are priceless, and make me wish for more bg vocals from him and less from Phil and Donna.
Loser - Man, who doesn't love Loser? A very solid version. Jumped over to headyversion to look for comments on it, and there are none! Someone who posts there should give this bad boy a vote.
Playing In The Band - This is where my listening had to end. What I've heard so far sounds pretty good, but only made it a few minutes in before I had to bail.
Looking forward to the rest, but hoping for fewer (or lower-in-the-mix) Donna & Phil harmonies. The high ratings for Sing Me Back Home lead me to believe she may have actually hit a few on-key notes during the course of the show.
Will try to post more later in the week when I get a chance.

I was standing in my driveway yesterday when the USPS truck pulled up and the guy handed me a DaP 32. I told him that tracking said delivery on 11/5. He said that it did in fact arrive on 11/5 but he thought that I should have a weekend to enjoy it so he borrowed Jim’s John Deere and brought it to me on 11/2.
So, thanks Jim.

Made it through the whole thing yesterday and didn’t notice any skips or defects.
Listened to CD3 again last night once I was nicely marinated and holy smokes!! Smokin’ playing there and sound quality is amazing. The Jam has bits and pieces of just about everything you would expect from that era and then the quick Dark Star proper and a smooth slide right into Sing Me Back Home.
Pretty sure I listened to CD3 at least twice, but that’s where it gets a little fuzzy......
.......woke up at 11 am today, took the dog out, started making coffee, then realized that it was only 10 am.
Crap, forgot about the time change, could have slept in longer. Oh well, coffee is already brewing (super dark roast Columbian that I roasted myself - another thanks to Jim for convincing me to buy a roaster a few years ago) Might As Well take advantage of this extra hour and get started on a second listen to DaP 32.

Yes, an excellent choice Dave. Mighty fine mastering Norman.
Quality playing (currently on Row Jimmy) and excellent sound. Lots of Phil, had the house rattling yesterday. Drums seem at an appropriate level, no excessive kick drum like in 74.

Oh yeah, just remembered that last night after a Donna wail I concluded that I would take any Donna wail/scream over Wave To The Wind any day.

Credits:
Recorded by Rex and Kidd.
10” tapes provided through the assistance of ABCD Enterprises.

Thanks again ABCD!!

Here’s the story on ABCD for anyone who doesn’t know.

http://www.legalnews.com/detroit/1457673

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We must be listening to different shows because I didn’t detect any of the negativity that he seemed to find.
Probably because I went into this with an open mind and open ears. Wasn’t trying to compare it to other 73 releases, and I don’t pay attention to what is written on heady version.
We’ll have to wait for Vguy to give his verdict on Cumberland since he’s a big fan of that song.

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Thanks for helping! :-)

Hilariously Deader-than-thou response. Did I really just read a post implying that I don't go into a release with an open mind and open ears? Did this smug person read my post with an open mind?
The irony is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.
Yeah, man, we must be listening to different releases. Hooooo... (eye roll).

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Can't be sure what show arrived for Mr. Heartbreak, because we listened last night to the first set, Bertha thru Playing, and to our ears, this show (3-24-73, right?) is outstanding! The playing was so engaging and the sound quality so amazing, this is rated top shelf in my world. No work to listen, the band was in the zone and the well-articulated parts meshed perfectly. This show is in that top tier where there's no call for ranking anything. It's in the pool of those shows where it sounds effortless and that attracts the ear. As I said, no work on the listener's part to enjoy.

If any of this show sounds "meh" to you, may the gods have mercy on your soul.

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Would reeeeeeeeally like 3/21/73 to join this March/April constellation.

No complaints from me at all.

Following up 3 24 73 with 7 7 78, an O.T. show. Original Tape from the early 80s.

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Don't have mine yet. Is Donna having an exceptionally bad night, or is she on par with her usual sound?

I was thinking Dark Star would be the defining track on this set...but looking at the timings, its only just over 4 minutes long! I notice the jam leading up to it clocks in at over 22 minutes though. I think of Dark Star as being a jam more than a song anyway, so maybe its not so clear when the so called jam ends and Star begins.

Looking forward to getting it however the dice falls.

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....I don't play craps anymore. But when I did, it was 6 & 8 all day. Hardways are a sucker bet.
....edit. just as I posted this, daverock posts a comment of letting the dice fall. Amazing!!

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