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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • carlo13
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    The chink in the armor for DVD-M disk and other long store media would be high cost of ceramic or glass technology to be lost to another physical technology. We will always have two types of media for music/movies. One for the masses and one for the stubborn and older people not hip to the jive. Just like newspapers. I like newspaper form instead of buttons. After your done with a newspaper, you can roll it up and swat things like pests and people who ask to borrow your Dave's picks. It can also be used as a low cost telescope and giant spitwad straw. All been tried by the way.

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    Amazon sucks....

    ....unless you want something tomorrow. Then they're ok.
    I just tested a CD-R I burned fifteen years ago. It played. Then again, my media room is dark as fuck. Bonus points!!
    CD-R ethics. Hilarious. That is one of many reasons why I come here on almost a daily basis. Faceplant into Rokk.

  • Charlie3
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    Been listening to some earlier Dead lately after a little run of '73 shows. Gave DaP10 12/12/69 and DP16 11/8/69 a listen over the last couple of days and spinning DP22 2/23-24/68 now with that excellent Viola Lee Blues. Seemed like a good choice after finishing the first snow shoveling of the year on a gorgeous sunny day in the Bitterroot. Been a while since I listened to any of these and they hit the spot lately.

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    Interesting discussion of an area I am ignorant of. It makes sense, though, what has been written. I made a load CD-R copies around 10 years ago, mainly of cds I already had, but also of ones borrowed or of digital downloads.
    I used these on long car journeys, but as they have long since stopped, I have stored them all in the attic...in direct line of sunlight. And lo and behold, a good many of them no longer play.

    I didn't know you could buy CD-R editions from Amazon. This would only be attractive to me if they were of limited edition cds that are now sold out. The digital downloads don't have the sleeve notes. The one I have just looked up is the Muddy Waters double cd Hoochie Coochie Man Volume 2 Chess Masters on Hip O Select. It costs a small fortune for the regular cd, the download is cheap-but missing info-so a CD-R might be the way to go. But I couldn't see how to access such a thing, if, indeed it is available for this release.

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    Thanks for the Feedback

    I spent some time looking into the CD-R situation and it seems that the main issue is the longevity of the CD-R and the fact that the longevity is dependent on how the disc is treated and the specifics of it's production. As Icecrmcnkd noted in his nice summary, the CD-R uses a dye layer. This dye layer is apparently sensitive to light exposure, to the extent that a couple weeks of direct sunlight may kill it. The information that I found indicated that there is significant variation between the light sensitivity and longevity of different CD-R discs depending on the type of dye layer used. There are a variety of factors involved, but the upshot seemed to be that a CD-R is not actually equivalent to a regular stamped audio CD and is a lesser quality product, to at least some degree, with a greater potential for failure.

    Amazon makes clear that they are using this approach to save on warehouse costs and to make it possible to offer out of print releases in very limited quantities. That's great, seems like a good use of the technology. My problem is just with amazon selling CD-R copies of new releases that have an actual CD release available, or I as I can't help but feel, selling me a slightly inferior product when the full quality version is readily available. My apologies to any bored by my rambling OCD diversion into CD-R technology and the ethics of CD-R sales.

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    Perhaps, but as you suggested we are getting an inferior product basically at full price. If they are going to do this, spend the extra money and get a professional quality machine and do it right. We pay the same price, get an inferior product and Amazon likely makes more money per CD than they do selling a standard CD that was made using the standard, higher quality manufacturing process.

    It's a slipper slope, how long until Dave's Picks start coming to us as CDRs. I'm against it. I will pay an extra fifty cents or a dollar to have a real CD.

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    In a korma . . .

    Good one.

    That DaP 5 is probably the best. The only real challengers for me would be DaP 23 (1/22/78), 29 (2/26/77), 11 (11/17/72), 17 (7/19/74), and 25 (11/6/77). But then there's 15 (4/22/78) . . .

    I recently went looking for an old Chet Baker CD, and it's only available now as a download, or as one of those CD-Rs from Amazon. Seems legit, as it's licensed by the estate of Chet Baker. The cost of keeping a CD in print is prohibitive when the demand is low, but if one still wants a physical product with all the liner notes and cover art, then Amazon will burn you a copy for a few dollars more than the download. I think a Bob Seger CD I was looking for can be printed that way too.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Convenience factor

    For someone who doesn’t want to do digital downloads or doesn’t have a burner, then on-demand CD-R might be the way to go.
    Maybe some bands are going to ditch their record label’s CD factory and use digital downloads with the option of an on-demand CD-R.

    Bears.......

    beat the Lions.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    On-demand CD-R’s

    Not really any different than selling a digital download.

    They just need to make it very clear that it is a CD-R, because CD-R’s are not the same as CD’s. Anybody who claims that they are the same is lying.

    CD-R’s store data with organic dye molecules which will slowly break down over time, but it depends on storage conditions. I have 20-year old CD-R’s that still play.

    Factory made CD’s store data on a thin film of metal. The data is pressed into the metal film with a negative, very similar to how vinyl is pressed. This allows for a rapid stamping process and mass production.
    But, as demonstrated by Rhino with every GD release, if you half-ass the process and don’t use quality control there will always be a batch of defective discs sent out to customers.

    I would not buy an on-demand CD-R, only factory pressed CD’s.
    But, if there was something that I wanted and it was only available as an on-demand CD-R or a digital download, I would do the download and burn my own CD-R.

    Also note:
    DVD+/-R uses organic dye.

    DVD M-Disc uses a ceramic and/or glass layer that is supposed to last for 1000 years when stored properly.
    United States Patent US008389095 B2
    Date of Patent: Mar. 5, 2013
    OPTICAL DATA STORAGE MEDIA CONTAINING SUBSTANTIALLY INERT LOW MELTING TEMPERATURE DATA LAYER

    BD-R HTL (high-to-low reflectivity, the burned area is darker) is also a type of ceramic and/or glass and averages the equivalent of 500 years in simulated testing.

    BD-R LTH (low-to-high, burned area is brighter) is organic dye similar to CD-R and DVD+/-R.

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    If they are licensed then it would seem the artist get some sort of cut. Perhaps it's a way for artists to get around labels and bring CDs to market at either less cost or by giving up less of a share to corporations.

    Then the issue becomes one of the quality. If this is the direction music is heading, it really makes digital more viable and the physical product that much less desirable??

    In any case, very interesting.. thanks for sharing. It gives us something to be on the lookout for.

    Edit: I finally found the 'hidden in plain sight' language on the Flaming Lips CD. I had to look several times. Sneaky. I guess it's legit. Weird though. I need to give this some thought. Do they look the same as CDs (i.e. have artwork or professional images and detail on them or are they like the ones I make.. with the title hand-written by a black or blue sharpie?

    "Note: This product is manufactured on demand when ordered from Amazon.com. [Learn more]"

    Giving this more thought.. I agree with Cone Kid's comment (above this), this is a lesser quality product and should be significantly discounted, not $12 a CD. I guess the advantage, assuming they are being honest, is they are more eco-friendly?? but are the really? I gut tells me we should demand higher quality. If they had professional equipment instead of an industrial version of my CD burner.. wouldn't that be equally eco-friendly? Methinks we are getting an inferior product and Amazon wins the consumer loses.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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Someone should do a top 10.

"Stop hanging off the balcony"
"Get off the fence, idiot"

..but there are so many more...…..

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Got my copy of Nat King Cole box yesterday. (Hittin the Ramp - The Early Years (36-43)).

If you like Nat,,, great collection, great recordings.

Wasn't bad price at 100 bucks for 7 cd's (about 25 songs per disc).

enjoy

ps - not one song type in, have to enter every title!

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Agreed, so many good ones! A personal fav of mine is at the end of set 1 on DaP8 - Fox Theater

"We're going to take a short break... don't anybody fall into the pit."

Also, the classic "Q: What's the difference between a frog? A: One leg is both the same." He clearly got much more of a kick out of that than anyone else, but I like it...

Peace

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Where are you 32?!

What's (track) time for Jam->Dark Star?

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Bob Welch was not in early Fleetwood Mac

So many great ones throughout the years.
We are still reeling in disbelief that this sounds nothing like it did in soundcheck, but we are hoping we get out act together soon.
And him and Jerry loved talking about their crack equipment crew or crack staff was on the job and would have it fixed soon.

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In ze hall.

Don't cha know.

I believe that's from the Wichita '72 show, Dave Picks 11.

Still waiting on the Spectrum pick for this go-around. Can't wait to dive in.

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Also got the Nat Cole Hittin' the Ramp in the mail yesterday; great stuff! Oscar Moore sounds so good, such an inventive player(cool aside: my friend Nick Rossi wrote the article about him in the liner notes) Highly recommended.

Funny, I was also listening to all the pre-Lindsey/Post Peter Green Mac LPs last week; a lot of great songs in there, Danny Kirwan & Bob Welsh were great songwriters(Future Games, Sands Of Time, Woman of a 1000 years, etc.)

This one came out on a 45 only in 1971, beautiful Danny Kirwan song reminiscent of Albatross:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQ07_22YA0

Last 5:

12/31/84 GD
Titanic Rising Weyes Blood
Nat Cole box disc 1 &2
Lemon Twigs Go To School
Farewell Aldebaran Jerry Yester/Judy Henske

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“Hello Princess”
“For our next segment we’re going to begin with figuring out what we’re going to do next”
“I just wish they’d get these elephants off the stage”
“This ones for the girl wth lobotomy Eyes”
“There’s going to be a quiz later, and those of you yelling out songs we already played aren’t going to do to well”

Finally received 32, now if I only had time to rip and listen, Doooo!

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A FANTASTIC ALBUM!!!!!! Lost to the mists of time......

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Hi thanks for the Peter Green recommendation, In The Skys. I will check it out. His Rattlesnake Shake is what first turned me on to the Mac eons ago.

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snafu you are right Bob Welch didn't join the Mac until Summer 71, after Jeremy Spenser left the band suddenly while on tour to join a religious cult. This was probably the third version of the band.

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I think Bobby once commented on the Letterman show that something "was more fun than a frog in a glass of milk."

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'It's Ho Chi Minh's birthday. I read it in my almanac.' :-)

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"Lean over and kiss your radio."
- Bobby, 11/24/1978. (incidentally, I happened to be listening to this one just now and heard him say this multiple times.... it's a pretty well-known and circulated FM simulcast)

And doggone it my Dave's 32 went to my old address. I'm pretty positive I had updated it at dead.net customer service after the move so this is a weird one. Hopefully the post office will forward it along with the rest of my mail. A stray Dave's 32 is out there somewhere!

Sixtus

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Amazing sound, great set list. I'd have to check but is it always the last pick that get the 'poster like ' unfolding booklet? Anyhow these are the pick's that make that smile, smile, smile....

(Hate to say... but with actual decent artwork, the Dave's logo ruins it. Hey Dead.net Dead Heads buy these, we know what they are please stop with the logo. Nothing against Dave, but it ruins every cover....)

Love Peter Green. That old Fleetwood Mac stuff is good. I love to turn people on that only know today's sorta Fleetwood Nicks. Remember seeing Tom Petty in Denver back to back nights probably sometime early 2000's with Pearl Jam opening. TP played just badass 'Oh Well' that really shook the house with he and Campbell as well as the rest of the band in full force.

Dig the tunes and suggestions about other bands /music too this has been pretty good release blog.

Last 5ish:
Neil Young: Silver and Gold
Cash: American 3 Solitary Man
Jack Johnson: A Broke down Melody Sdtrk
Big Head Todd & The Monsters: live monsters
Bob Seger: Night Moves
GD: 3/24/73

Mostly work music can't get too far out there...everyone have a good night.

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Number 19066/20000. I really don't mind what number I get, but when I saw this one today, my first thought was "phew! cutting it kinda close there..."

Disc 3 just popped out, ripped and ready to rock. Cooking dinner... do I start at the beginning, or jump right into that very tempting looking disc 3... hmmm.

Sixtus, hope it all gets worked out soon!

Peace

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Well thank you very, very much! I checked back in and what do I find? A super kind gesture from CJ.
I will grab it from the ether as soon as I'm off here. Should ease the wait substantially.
Thank you again.
:O)

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No worries dude...I look forward to your review!

Some of you made reference to Sturgill Simpson a couple days back...I’ve been listening to a lot of Country and Americana lately:

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band: Will the Circle Be Unbroken...Vinyl box set...this is awesome! Was referenced in the Ken Burns series recently and features guest appearances from many country greats and I think recorded mostly at the Grand Ole Oprey.

The Travelling Wilburys Vol 1&2...doesn’t get any better than this!

Josh Ritter...I like a lot of his stuff, but my first suggestion would be Animal Years. Recent album Fever Breaks is also good! Got the chance to see him live in KC this past September...one hell of a live show!

Peace all

KCJ

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I’m listening to 9-3-85 Miller.34772 and on Lovelight Bob completely blows his imitation of a Pigpen rap and just starts talking (too much for me to type) and at some point says something like “there’s not much of a message here tonight”.
I found it quite funny in the context of the discussion of Bob sayings.

Sixtus,
Hopefully Newman to the rescue with the USPS fiasco.

Food for thought:
If you see Sixtus and his family do you refer to them as Sixti?

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Pure gold. Bill and Phil coming through great, and well Jerry it's obvious.

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#19773 here :-)

Looks nice! Looking forward to digging in...

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Hmmmm......apparently(at least according to tracking), My Dave's 32 was accepted at my local post office Saturday, and then shows arrived at my local P.O. yesterday, and now shows received at my local P.O. today. Anyone wanna give me the odds on if I'll get it any time this week?

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My Daves picks 32 came unexpectedly today. Ripped it, uploaded it and listening now. I keep getting distracted so I've had to restart the show after Bertha a dozen times. Bertha is tight. Bobby is killer loud and playing really well. Billy's snare sounds great. Jerry's guitar is loud enough on this opener. Keith a little low but fuckit, he's loud enough on that ragtime pie-anner solo during BIODTL. This is a top 3 '73 Bertha for me (not that there are a lot of them released in '73). Yeah, I'm up to Row Jimmy and so far it's sounding great (which by the way, Dead & Co played at Madison Square Garden the other night and Bobby wasn't playing at one point - he was using his guitar as an oar as if he was rowing; I pointed this out to my cousin and he turned to me and said yeah, but he's rowing backwards - and sure enough he was). Anyway, I don't know how this first disc can be heard in any other vein than pure uncut pre-second-set face melting Dead..... but sticks and stones love, sticks and stones.

Anyone notice that Jerry is playing the Wolf in the picture inside the CD gatefold? I thought he played the alligator Strat until his birthday in 1973. Either that bit of information I heard is false or that picture's not from Philly.

Even more interesting is Bobby's guitar. It's a Gibson but that's no ES hollow body. It looks like an SG, but not like a classic style. It has weird looking pickups I've never seen before, and a bunch of volume knobs.

KF, It's a Pee-anner, not a Pie-anner. Good thing there's spellcheck, pass the moonshine round.

So I finally got around to listening to that Albatross link you posted. I clicked the link.. then copied it and posted it to another page so I could come back and read the thread here.. got distracted and was really getting into it.. then I went to read the posts here and realized I had two running at once, but not at the same time.. when I killed one by hitting the back button, the whole vibe died. Play this twice (or thrice) at once with the timing offset. It's way cooler that way. Trust me.

Now back to that West Virginia moonshine..

....I heard, through certain channels, and yes. The knobs went to 11. Spinal Tap made the news today by the way.
https://pitchfork.com/news/spinal-tap-and-universal-music-group-settle-…
"Well. This piece is called 'Lick My Love Pump.'" Can I pretty please have the soundtrack Normanized? Today was a good day.
Mr. Ones odds. Taking bets. 5-7.
SMELL THE GLOVE!!

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If you notice Jerry's alligator guitar pic. on the gatefold and the microphones with the tape near the mic. wire is the same microphones taped together in the liner notes newspaper clip. Same tape position on.mics. so same venue.

Senator, as much as I love that movie.. (makes getting a cucumber through TSA unscathed a triple dog dare challenge) posting about it here does little to help your reelection chances. Remember what happened last time when you got tied up with this stuff during an election year? (although it did give a slight boost to Burt Reynold's tanking career covering the whole event on the big screen)

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Safe and sound in Saint Paul, Minnesota . . . my favorite number is '5', so this is great! Good energy on disc one.

I agree--why the "Dave's Picks" banner logo across the tops of these? I have something of a man-crush on Dave, and I still don't know that I need that tribute to him and the series title covering up the art.

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It can overshadow and dominate decent artwork on the various releases..

On the other hand, when the artwork is (looking for the right word) off-color? , the Skull and Roses skull in the center of the logo can be a real lifesaver. Wasn't there one release when it covered up and took the place of two or three cartoonish, bearded skeletons that otherwise would have been in plain view?

So it's agreed, so long as the artwork is on point, smaller Dave's Picks banner on the top. If the bearded skeletons make a return, the banner can be enhanced to at least cover up cheesy beards, cartoon skeletons making out in the grass, skeleton boobs, skeletor boners or whatever cartoonish skeleton no-no they come up with next.

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....its pretty much an institution now. But agreed. Why not do a DaP passport style stamp in a corner? Thinking out loud. The Incredible Hulk brought me here.

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....looking back, the font is what it is. All that matters is what is inside. Everything else is tinsel.
My mind skips a beat every now and then.
edit....the fourth minute of the "jam*. That's some really, really, Really good stuff right there. I'm sure there's more to come. Phil takes off at the 6:30 mark. Amazing.

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Well, then there now -- this is a hot little ride.

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....this beast of a jam flourishes. Like clockwork. Whatadisc! Eleven highlights.

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Great clip of Jerry and Bob being interviewed, followed by Deep Ellum Blues and Monkey and the Engineer. I always assumed they'd stopped tripping by 1982...going off this film it looks like at least one of them hadn't.

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Thanks guys for the positive vibes.
Indeed, I blame Newman <shakes fist in the air while muttering the name>...
Solid Seinfeld reference and everyone's (least) favorite Postman.

On the brighter side, it does appear someone besides a Monkey has come across my DaP 32:

November 5, 2019, 12:40 pm
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WALTHAM, MA
Your item was forwarded to a different address at 12:40 pm on November 5, 2019 in WALTHAM, MA. This was because of forwarding instructions or because the address or ZIP Code on the label was incorrect.

Today just might be my lucky day. It sounds like Disc 3 is a face melter to be sure.

- Sixtus (the full clan would indeedee be Sixti)

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remember...behind the veneer...this ultimately is a business.

A beyond description business, but a business nonetheless.

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That's the funny thing. I did look at the picture to determine it was the Wolf. Upon reading your post and taking a second look a moment ago, it's clear that a bong hit can turn an alligator into a wolf. But I prefer to believe the world's just a magical place and it changed overnight.

Jim, that' funny about Albatross. They once had a 1972 Dark Star on the tapers section. Possibly July 18th. So in an attempt to see if my recording was better, I ended up playing them both at the same time like you did with Albatross. Just a very small delay, miliseconds, but the effect was great, just like you described.

I really love this release so far. You guys are even getting me into the fast TLEOs. First version I heard was from New Year's Eve at the Cow Palace 1976. Of the slow versions post-hiatus, I think this has some extra Jerry Groove to it, possibly because it's a multi-track; I feel like I can hear every string of the chords he plays. But yeah this fast version is growing on me.

I'm off of work today. I have a couple of things I need to get done but I have time in the morning here to listen to this beauty on headphones. Audio is very impressive. I do have some features on my playback app as I've mentioned that enhance the stereo separation oh, so I guess I'm cheating a little bit but, no more than some of the effect that is applied during production. So I'm just producing. But you need to have a good source there's nothing you can do to improve the sound, so I am really happy with this one (and I was one of the tough to please fellas with the Pacific Northwest 1973 shows, mostly shows 2 & 3.

I'm to LLR. There's Keith. If anything is going to turn me on to this song, it's going to be a little pee-anner touch from The Great One. How's that for a hype sticker on Daves picks 32: "So good you'll enjoy Looks Like Rain" No pelting me with rotten tomatoes you LLR lovers.

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Upon further reflection i'll question my own response. Last night as i was walking the dog listening to 7-9-89 I had an epiphany. Or perhaps it was the cabbage I had for lunch. At any rate, the bobbyism in question arose to the top of my mind. Was it 11-17-72? Or was is the Palace Theater, 9-24-72? Maybe it was neither. By the cosmos, it surely couldn't have been both. I thought about how i try to remember stuff like that so I'd be able to identify a show just by hearing some banter or a particular song order or part of a jam. Then my dog looked up at me like I was some particular brand of idiot and we walked on.

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Rhino should hire you.

Slow Dog, I would SWEAR I JUST heard the announcement about forbidden smoking in the past week, which means that that comment is likely to be on DaP 16, the 1970 Road Trips bonus disc, 6/24/73, or possibly 10/17/83.

Try this on for size, THEN try convincing yourself that the GD didn't rock after 1978! :)
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-10-17.mtx.seamons.fix2.92424.sbeok.f…

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What’s the best app for archive .org?

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