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    I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead, I was not-so-secretly hoping that the last incarnation of Phil & Friends—with Jackie Greene, Larry Campbell, John Molo and Steve Molitz—was going to get back together and start touring smaller halls. That was my favorite post-GD group—they seemed so joyous, alive and full of energy, and they served the Dead’s songs, Jackie’s great tunes and all the fabulous covers they tackled so wonderfully well. I had hoped they would stay together for years, maybe develop a bunch of original tunes.

    It was not to be. First The Dead pushed them aside, then in August 2009 Bob and Phil formed Furthur, effectively putting an end to both Phil & Friends and RatDog in one fell swoop, at least for the time being. (I have friends who feel the same way about “losing” RatDog as I did about losing that edition of P&F.) I was initially disappointed that Mickey and Bill were evidently not going to be a part of Furthur—the Rhythm Devils’ segment having been a favorite part of my Grateful Dead experience, and also in The Dead—and I wondered whether the “Garcia guy” from Dark Star Orchestra would be a good choice. I didn’t much care for the one DSO show I attended at the Fillmore in SF, and I couldn’t quite picture what it would be like to hear John Kadlecik (who?) in the Garcia slot with Bobby and Phil.

    I think all of us have wrestled to varying degrees with what we wanted to hear from the lead guitarists in Phil’s and Bobby’s bands. Bob made it simple by choosing Mark Karan for RatDog early on—a tremendous player who had clearly listened to Garcia a lot, could quote his guitar parts accurately when called upon, but still had a lot of his own personality. Phil & Friends has, of course, been all over the map, with countless lineups and scads of guitarists in different combinations. How many of these folks who played multiple shows with Phil did you see? Stan Franks, Trey Anastasio, Steve Kimock, David Nelson, Warren Haynes, Barry Sless, Jeff Mattson, Al Schnier, Paul Barrere, Derek Trucks, Jorma Kaukonen, Robben Ford, Jeff Pevar, Jimmy Herring, Ryan Adams, John Scofield, Larry Campbell, Jackie Greene … that’s most (but not all) of ’em! Then there were a slew of different keyboardists and singers, so you never quite knew what you were going to get with Phil & Friends from season to season.

    Phil and his guitarists turned the Grateful Dead’s catalog inside out and upside down in a truly bold ongoing experiment. Some lineups were better than others, some hewed closer to the Dead’s arrangements than others. Robben Ford and John Scofield are outstanding guitarists (musicians’ musicians, as the cliché goes), but I didn’t appreciate their interpretation of Grateful Dead music for the most part. The long-lasting quintet (nicknamed the PLQ) with Haynes, Herring, Rob Barraco and John Molo never sounded that much like the Dead (though Herring moved more and more in Garcia’s direction as time went on). But they put such an interesting spin on the songs that they sounded like a real band that just happened to play a lot of Grateful Dead music. They were too noodly for some, not Dead-like enough for others, but they made some mighty music along the way.

    Personally, I always enjoyed those hints and dollops of Jerry you’d get from guitarists such as Karan, Kimock, Sless, Trey and Larry Campbell, because who are we kidding? That is the great void we’re always looking to fill. And you know what—nobody is going to ever fill it. I know a number of hardcore Dead Heads who will not go see any of the post-Garcia bands. As one friend put it not too long ago, “Jerry was my guy. If he’s not there, I’m not interested.” That’s fine. I totally respect that viewpoint, though I strongly disagree. I’ve been interested in checking out every band that’s come down the pike involving the former GD members. We’ve come this far together, I trust ’em!

    Official poster for 2011 Colorado Furthur shows.
    Image by Mike DuBois ©2011
    (Reproduced here to honor my best friend
    and fellow Dead Head Jon Hoffman,
    who died skiing March 21, 2011.
    He loved this poster.)

    Which brings us back to Furthur. Much to my surprise, I love this band. It turns out I really like hearing someone who plays in the Garcia oeuvre so well out there mixing it up with Bob and Phil, who seem to be having a great time with this group, as well. It’s not just that JK “speaks” their language; he has internalized it to such a degree that it flows out of him naturally and effortlessly. And that is not an easy accomplishment. As I’ve said many times, you cannot fake good improvisational music, any more than you can fake speaking a foreign language with vocabulary alone. John has serious chops, and with each passing month he’s moved “furthur” out of his old DSO comfort zone by bringing new textures and ideas to songs we’ve all heard a million times. I like that he’s confident enough to sing Jerry’s big ballads—“Comes A Time,” “Stella Blue,” “Wharf Rat,” “So Many Roads,” “Morning Dew,” etc.— and he plays the hell out of all of them. There are those who think some or all of those songs are untouchable. Nonsense. They’re GREAT songs that should be heard by current and future generations of concertgoers, no matter who sings or plays them. I’ve been deeply moved by every one of those songs at Furthur shows. I also love what John does with a pair of Ryan Adams tunes, “Nobody Girl” and “Magnolia Mountain,” heavy numbers that fit perfectly with Hunter-Garcia classics.

    What’s even more exciting is that probably a third or more of Furthur’s repertoire are songs that Garcia very rarely played or never played at all. I think it’s a real treat that we get to hear gnarled and twisted versions of “Viola Lee Blues” in 2011; that we get to enjoy Furthur’s take on the entire “Terrapin Station” suite (which the Grateful Dead never performed live) and totally nail it, time after time; that Phil’s haunting “Mountains of the Moon” has taken that song to places Jerry never imagined; that these guys are fearless enough to attempt “Blues for Allah,” “Rosemary,” “What’s Become of the Baby” and even “Alice D. Millionaire.” Jerry played “King Solomon’s Marbles” in concert just six times in his lifetime. Furthur has made it a signature tune and it kills. Why shouldn’t a new generation enjoy the thrill of belting out “St. Stephen” with Phil, Bob and company? It’s been great hearing this band interpret some of the best original RatDog tunes—“Money for Gasoline,” “Ashes and Glass” and “Two Djinn”—and to watch the development of Furthur originals such as “Seven Hills of Gold,” “Colors of the Rain” and “Big Bad Blues,” and retoolings like “Mountain Song” and “High on a Mountain.” There’s an adventurous and playful side to this group that allows them to give the ol’ college try to all of Abbey Road, The Clash’s “Train in Vain” and Pink Floyd’s “Eclipse”; not to mention suddenly letting Warren Haynes sing “Blue Sky” and sit in for a set, and inviting Elvis Costello, Larry Campbell and Diana Krall to join them recently at Radio City. This band is into constantly shakin’ it up, and that’s part of what keeps it so interesting for me. I also love that they play mostly cool places.

    There’s just so much to like about this group, from drum beast Joe Russo to keyboard titan Jeff Chimenti to singers Jeff Pehrson and Sunshine Becker—all major contributors to the band’s dynamic and varied sound.

    I feel sad for the folks who can’t (or won’t, on principle) appreciate the incredible spirit and skill of Furthur. It’s not the Grateful Dead. (This just in—Jerry has been dead more than 15 years!) But it’s something new, at the same time it harks back to something old. It’s weird and reckless and strange and uplifting and heartfelt and rocking. Nearly all of the songs they play speak to my soul. No shame in digging this to the max while it’s here. So, put me down as a Furthur believer.

    What’s been YOUR experience with post-Jerry bands involving former Grateful Dead members?

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    > ...five or six cranky
    > ...five or six cranky guys...going on for close to two years...a pretty sad display... I used to post a lot on DNC about 10-11 years ago, but got busy with school, so I rarely make it back there anymore, but when I read your post above Blair, I had to take a peek to see who was raising hell over there these days and wasn't too surprised to find that it was the same five or six cranky guys recycling their same old Fake Jerry lines from ten years ago. I didn't understand it then and I still don't get it now; if you hate this music, if you think it's creepy, or a shallow parody, don't listen to it and please don't spend so much time trying to convince the world that you get JG in a way that noboby else does. As for Furthur, I've only had the opportunity to catch the Couch Tour this spring so far; school keeps me too busy for shows these days, but from what I've heard via ustream, this band is tearing it up and delivering the goods pretty consistently. The composition of Abbey Road at the shows in Boston and NYC was really exciting to follow night by night and the Further Abbey playlist that I culled from those shows is in heavy rotation at my house lately. So it's all good from where I'm sitting. Some of my favorite music is still being played by some of my favorite musicians while the world keeps changing and some things stay the same. Looks like another day in paradise and there's barely time to wait.
  • pomo1
    13 years 7 months ago
    @reggiesgone
    What a short-sighted decision. I agree that Whats Become of the Baby Sunday Night was somewhat tough to take, and Phil was droning on, but it was bold and historic and shows the risks the band is willing to take. Most of us weren't even born the last time the Dead played it. Then again, Unbroken Chain was spectacular, so I'm glad Phil keeps singing--sometimes you just have to wait through the stuff that you don't care for. I think the folks that walked out during Days Between learned that lesson the hard way. Personally, I am very content to have Phil sing as long as he keeps dropping those bombs and continues to amaze us all in his 70s. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere.

Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead, I was not-so-secretly hoping that the last incarnation of Phil & Friends—with Jackie Greene, Larry Campbell, John Molo and Steve Molitz—was going to get back together and start touring smaller halls. That was my favorite post-GD group—they seemed so joyous, alive and full of energy, and they served the Dead’s songs, Jackie’s great tunes and all the fabulous covers they tackled so wonderfully well. I had hoped they would stay together for years, maybe develop a bunch of original tunes.

It was not to be. First The Dead pushed them aside, then in August 2009 Bob and Phil formed Furthur, effectively putting an end to both Phil & Friends and RatDog in one fell swoop, at least for the time being. (I have friends who feel the same way about “losing” RatDog as I did about losing that edition of P&F.) I was initially disappointed that Mickey and Bill were evidently not going to be a part of Furthur—the Rhythm Devils’ segment having been a favorite part of my Grateful Dead experience, and also in The Dead—and I wondered whether the “Garcia guy” from Dark Star Orchestra would be a good choice. I didn’t much care for the one DSO show I attended at the Fillmore in SF, and I couldn’t quite picture what it would be like to hear John Kadlecik (who?) in the Garcia slot with Bobby and Phil.

I think all of us have wrestled to varying degrees with what we wanted to hear from the lead guitarists in Phil’s and Bobby’s bands. Bob made it simple by choosing Mark Karan for RatDog early on—a tremendous player who had clearly listened to Garcia a lot, could quote his guitar parts accurately when called upon, but still had a lot of his own personality. Phil & Friends has, of course, been all over the map, with countless lineups and scads of guitarists in different combinations. How many of these folks who played multiple shows with Phil did you see? Stan Franks, Trey Anastasio, Steve Kimock, David Nelson, Warren Haynes, Barry Sless, Jeff Mattson, Al Schnier, Paul Barrere, Derek Trucks, Jorma Kaukonen, Robben Ford, Jeff Pevar, Jimmy Herring, Ryan Adams, John Scofield, Larry Campbell, Jackie Greene … that’s most (but not all) of ’em! Then there were a slew of different keyboardists and singers, so you never quite knew what you were going to get with Phil & Friends from season to season.

Phil and his guitarists turned the Grateful Dead’s catalog inside out and upside down in a truly bold ongoing experiment. Some lineups were better than others, some hewed closer to the Dead’s arrangements than others. Robben Ford and John Scofield are outstanding guitarists (musicians’ musicians, as the cliché goes), but I didn’t appreciate their interpretation of Grateful Dead music for the most part. The long-lasting quintet (nicknamed the PLQ) with Haynes, Herring, Rob Barraco and John Molo never sounded that much like the Dead (though Herring moved more and more in Garcia’s direction as time went on). But they put such an interesting spin on the songs that they sounded like a real band that just happened to play a lot of Grateful Dead music. They were too noodly for some, not Dead-like enough for others, but they made some mighty music along the way.

Personally, I always enjoyed those hints and dollops of Jerry you’d get from guitarists such as Karan, Kimock, Sless, Trey and Larry Campbell, because who are we kidding? That is the great void we’re always looking to fill. And you know what—nobody is going to ever fill it. I know a number of hardcore Dead Heads who will not go see any of the post-Garcia bands. As one friend put it not too long ago, “Jerry was my guy. If he’s not there, I’m not interested.” That’s fine. I totally respect that viewpoint, though I strongly disagree. I’ve been interested in checking out every band that’s come down the pike involving the former GD members. We’ve come this far together, I trust ’em!

Official poster for 2011 Colorado Furthur shows.
Image by Mike DuBois ©2011
(Reproduced here to honor my best friend
and fellow Dead Head Jon Hoffman,
who died skiing March 21, 2011.
He loved this poster.)

Which brings us back to Furthur. Much to my surprise, I love this band. It turns out I really like hearing someone who plays in the Garcia oeuvre so well out there mixing it up with Bob and Phil, who seem to be having a great time with this group, as well. It’s not just that JK “speaks” their language; he has internalized it to such a degree that it flows out of him naturally and effortlessly. And that is not an easy accomplishment. As I’ve said many times, you cannot fake good improvisational music, any more than you can fake speaking a foreign language with vocabulary alone. John has serious chops, and with each passing month he’s moved “furthur” out of his old DSO comfort zone by bringing new textures and ideas to songs we’ve all heard a million times. I like that he’s confident enough to sing Jerry’s big ballads—“Comes A Time,” “Stella Blue,” “Wharf Rat,” “So Many Roads,” “Morning Dew,” etc.— and he plays the hell out of all of them. There are those who think some or all of those songs are untouchable. Nonsense. They’re GREAT songs that should be heard by current and future generations of concertgoers, no matter who sings or plays them. I’ve been deeply moved by every one of those songs at Furthur shows. I also love what John does with a pair of Ryan Adams tunes, “Nobody Girl” and “Magnolia Mountain,” heavy numbers that fit perfectly with Hunter-Garcia classics.

What’s even more exciting is that probably a third or more of Furthur’s repertoire are songs that Garcia very rarely played or never played at all. I think it’s a real treat that we get to hear gnarled and twisted versions of “Viola Lee Blues” in 2011; that we get to enjoy Furthur’s take on the entire “Terrapin Station” suite (which the Grateful Dead never performed live) and totally nail it, time after time; that Phil’s haunting “Mountains of the Moon” has taken that song to places Jerry never imagined; that these guys are fearless enough to attempt “Blues for Allah,” “Rosemary,” “What’s Become of the Baby” and even “Alice D. Millionaire.” Jerry played “King Solomon’s Marbles” in concert just six times in his lifetime. Furthur has made it a signature tune and it kills. Why shouldn’t a new generation enjoy the thrill of belting out “St. Stephen” with Phil, Bob and company? It’s been great hearing this band interpret some of the best original RatDog tunes—“Money for Gasoline,” “Ashes and Glass” and “Two Djinn”—and to watch the development of Furthur originals such as “Seven Hills of Gold,” “Colors of the Rain” and “Big Bad Blues,” and retoolings like “Mountain Song” and “High on a Mountain.” There’s an adventurous and playful side to this group that allows them to give the ol’ college try to all of Abbey Road, The Clash’s “Train in Vain” and Pink Floyd’s “Eclipse”; not to mention suddenly letting Warren Haynes sing “Blue Sky” and sit in for a set, and inviting Elvis Costello, Larry Campbell and Diana Krall to join them recently at Radio City. This band is into constantly shakin’ it up, and that’s part of what keeps it so interesting for me. I also love that they play mostly cool places.

There’s just so much to like about this group, from drum beast Joe Russo to keyboard titan Jeff Chimenti to singers Jeff Pehrson and Sunshine Becker—all major contributors to the band’s dynamic and varied sound.

I feel sad for the folks who can’t (or won’t, on principle) appreciate the incredible spirit and skill of Furthur. It’s not the Grateful Dead. (This just in—Jerry has been dead more than 15 years!) But it’s something new, at the same time it harks back to something old. It’s weird and reckless and strange and uplifting and heartfelt and rocking. Nearly all of the songs they play speak to my soul. No shame in digging this to the max while it’s here. So, put me down as a Furthur believer.

What’s been YOUR experience with post-Jerry bands involving former Grateful Dead members?

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I was skeptical at first. Furthur seemed to come out of nowhere. Back in mid-2009, The Dead (v3.0, with the Core Four augmented by Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) had completed a big (overpriced) tour of large arenas that had garnered mostly raves from fans coast to coast. I dug the one show I saw, and heard the rest either on Archive.org or through a half-dozen or so soundboard recordings I purchased. But while many fans were talking breathlessly of possible fall tour dates for The Dead...

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I have had some GREAT experiences of "post-Jerry" dead shows ! I'm glad you posted this blog because I have been curious about others' thoughts on the subject and never had the opportunity to ask... The first and most memorable was when THE DEAD first came out... and fiirst night back to MSG without Jerry... who remembers this one? I can't recall the date, but the stage was packed with the remaining members plus Warren and Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi... i think they opened up with new Speadway Boggie >Viola Lee Blues ?? I could be mistaken on this intro, but this show was HOT! and I have never seen it on Archive or elsewhere... (let me know where please) Since then, I saw The Dead in April 09 in Charlottesville VA and THAT was a hot show too... (I have a copy of that and it's always great to replay it... ALLL old (pre-75) selections with a numbing Standing On The Moon to end the 1st set followed by a great 2nd set as well... I recently copied 2 FURTHER shows from Red Rocks, Sept 2010 and they are killer as well... Hey, even the Bobby acoustic was nice to hear from the opening of The Music never Stopped ! I feel very fortunate to have these post-Jerry creations and memories ... they wont last forever, so I plan on enjoying the ride while I can... as always, iGrateful
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I agree about Furthur 100%. I love them and they are fun, adventurous and as tight as ANY band out there. I've raved about them all over this site (and others). =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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The 1st time I saw Furthur was 2/15/10 and I thought they were great that night, for the exception one song in the 1st set, which was new and unfamiliar to me. I knew that this band was going to be a force to be reckoned with however they were going to be together, I was right, they play with so much passion and a willingness to try other music that the GD or any of the post-Jerry bands have done. The Radio City Music Hall shows a few days ago are a testament to that. The Other Ones were very good, as were Phil & Friends & RatDog. The Dead (in 2003) were very good, too. In 2004 they were a different band and just as good, for the most part, or better. And the 2009 edition, which I caught in Philadelphia had that willingness to change things even a wee bit "furthur." The spirit of Jerry is on stage all the time, and he plays the band thru the music. Sometimes good and sometimes not so good, and sometimes EXCELLENT! I miss seeing Jerry, but I hear him in John Kadlecik, Phil Lesh and in Bobby Weir. I also hear Jerry In Billy Kreutzmann & in Mickey Hart, too. But there is NOTHING like a Grateful Dead concert, even if it's been recorded way back in 1972, or 1969 or even 1995 for that matter.
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Well, saw some (8) shows mostly in the Bay Area 1985 thru 1994. My wife and I were punks and didn't care at first till I heard the improv. That's when that ol' bus rolled up. Quit seeing any post Jerry bands at all till Ratdog came to Las Vegas (my new home) Saw every single one from 2005 on. I then found out how many Heads are here. Then Further came to Vegas and DSO came here with John K I was hooked again. At DSO 10-11-09 there was an eerie moment… John K comes back on stage alone after 1st set break, he starts tuning up in darkness stage was small and intimate (Hard Rock Cafe) Some guy in the audience just goes: "Hi John" He looks up and smiles silently. He must have already known he was going to quit. Weird vibe. Saw NYE 2010 back to the Shoreline show in June now. I also plan to stay deadicated to Furthur and hope for a Mickey and Bill guesting soon. Rhythm Devils need cash too!!!
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As that I'm a huge fan of Jimmy Herring, Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks, the line-ups containing any number of combination of these 3 were my favorites, though I did enjoy seeing Robben Ford with PL&F. I haven't really checked out Further more than one recording someone gave me, and though it's cool that they tour, I'm still on the fence. Personally, I think Jackie Green and Ryan Adams are overrated and they don't do much for me. There was only one Jerry, and I'd rather see guitarists be themselves instead of trying to copy him.
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Since Jerry passed away in 1995 there have been many bands to come along, Rat Dog, Phil and Friends,The Other Ones, The Dead, Each changing members from time to time and all were very good in their own way. But in "My Opinion" Furthur is by far the BEST. Each show they get better and Better and BETTER. and my passion to see them is as strong as is was way back when i used to anger my parents by following the band around the country. No they are not the Grateful Dead, they are gone but wasn't the Grateful Dead all about moving on and exploring new trails. Jerry must be looking down with such a big Smile to see his music being carried on with such passion. I have friends who will not go see anymore shows because Jerry is gone. It is ashame to rot in your memories when there is still life to enjoy. NEVER stop moving on.....Keep on Truckin......and smile Smile SMILE! Chuck
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I have gone to see furthur, Phil and Friends, Ratdog, The Other Ones, all versions of The Dead since Jerry's passing. I have become a fan of Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks and Jimmy Herring due to my exposure to them in this scene. I have become a Widespread Panic fan. The best memories I have of the Phil shows are North Myrtle Beach HOB and Nokia-both small, intimate settings. I have enjoyed all of these bands and have now seen about 4 Furthur shows. The last Worcester show had an amazing "Mountains of the Moon"-blew me away completely. Is it the Grateful Dead-no, but that is fine. It has to be accepted, or not, on its own terms. I love listening to Grateful Dead -I ALWAYS will-but I am glad that these guys are still out there creating NEW music. These bands have not been nostalgia acts and I am excited about what they may come up next. I love the interplay between the bands on the scene-ABB, Widespread, Derek Trucks Band-it's all one big family to me.
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the subject says it all i enjoyed many post JG incarnations as well but everything about this one seems to take the cake, i was psyched about earlier ones and listened to recordings as the tours unfolded... but i never seemed to go back to any of those recordings once the dust had settled so its kinda too early to know for sure if these recent furthur recordings will make it into my "permenent rotation" but i feel like im gonna wanna check out that whiskey in the jar i got to hear in fairfax again and also that hot weather report>fire>cumberland, and the abbey road stuff... i wasnt there but i have listened to it a few times and i think ill keep coming back to it, the recent radio city run is awesome stuff too tomorrow will be my 5th furthur show since last spring, i was originally planning just the fairfax show but i ended up cancelling some other plans cause i couldnt let them do hampton (only an hour away) without checking it out in person based on how on they are i have been energized about the good ole g.dead due to the E72 anticipation, and the synergy of all that along with taking in this year's model (furthur) is pretty thrilling this band has alot in common with our beloved 72/73 period GD in terms of spacey improv, jamming, and just general loose/tight jazziness... plus a repertoire that is quite a bit larger than the old GD's was during those glory days so lets enjoy it while we can
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to my old ears, this is the best post Jerry band. I've seen them all, from the first furthur concert in 96 (ratdog and Jorma) to furthur last year. I liked the other ones, Ratdog, Phil and Friends, and the drumming devils, all good, but this furthur band really puts them all to shame. I hope this bus keeps rolling along for quite a while, as there will never be another grateful dead, there is furthur, which if not the real thing, it's close enough to pretend. I agree with previous posts, hopefully, Billy and Mickey will reconsider and join this band and make it "just exactly perfect". On a more somber note, I heard that last nite a person died at the furthur show in pitt. According to cnn, this person (19) got into a three point stance, shouted hike, then crashed through a window and fell 30 ft. to his death. Sure hope this doesn't put a damper on the rest of the tour. Condolences' to friends and family of the departed, but what was he thinking?
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Get Rhythm Devils up and touring at full force. With Keller and Kimock that would be a hell of a line up. Then we could have Furthur and RD touring which would be doubling our Grateful Dead fix. If they do not work well together any more then they should just keep the 2 bands. There is nothing with Furthur that needs to be fixed or tweaked and doing so may ruin the chemistry. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Thanks for this post Blair. So many of my friends from back in the day are of the "not interested" contingent. I can only surmise that the "no more Jerry" rationale is just a coverup for those who have become jaded, or don't like crowds any more, or who just lost their interest in losing themselves in improvisational music created for the purpose of GETTING OFF! Lord knows there is only one Jerry Garcia, and no one will ever top him for skills, soulfulness, sincerity, creativity, enthusiasm and just plain love. But just because he is the best doesn't mean there cannot be others who can light that flame and carry it high. Some of my best friends and the girl I married are among the lost. It makes me sad, but time indeed marches on. I am blessed, though, by my 26 year old son, who is musically a chip off the old block. He constantly goes to all kinds of concerts (Primus is one of his faves) and cut his teeth on the Grateful Dead. He lives now in Denver (I've always been on the east coast), so last year I was able to schedule my annual visit for late September to hear Furthur at Red Rocks (Sunday 9/26, the last show). My boy has a Rx at one of Denver's handy neighborhood medical marijuana dispensaries (apparently he suffers from "anxiety") and hooked us up with a mini-bus run from a local Grateful dead-themed nightclub out to Red Rocks. If you have never been to a concert at that venue you are missing something incredible, and it was a totally gorgeous evening. Not only is it an astoundingly beautiful spot, but every seat has great view and sound and space for dancing. And the crowd was just fantastic - young and old and ready for fun. Furthur opened with "Golden Road..." followed by "Cassidy." Have you ever danced your ass off with tears streaming down your face? When they played "He's Gone" I knew Jerry was right there. They closed the first set with an absolutely blistering "Big Railroad Blues." I got to hear "St. Stephen," my own personal talisman song, with the full moon rising in the distance over Denver. They segued "The Wheel" into the full length "Sugar Magnolia" to end the 2nd set, then encored "Touch of Grey" and an insanely gorgeous version of "Brokedown Palace" to close the Red Rocks run. It was an experience I will never forget, right up there with my first Grateful Dead show in 1973, and to be able to share it with my son was even more awesome. I later saw them again in Baltimore, and while not as magical as Red Rocks, it was a well-played, hard-rocking show that opened with the Beatles' "Revolution" segued into "Smokestack Lightning" and on from there. I have to say my favorite performer is Jeff, the keyboard wiz; everytime he took charge of the jam he just kicked things into the stratosphere. I don't want to judge people who may have various prejudices and perceptions, but I feel really sorry for those who do not give Furthur live a chance to light the fire and get them off. You can get by with a Grateful Dead cover band if it is people who really "get" the Grateful Dead (Phil and Bob and friends for example). This music is too good not to be played and enjoyed. GO FURTHUR! ~ I'll meet you some morning in the sweet by and by
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The more the merrier! Grateful Deadness takes on many forms, and as one of you noted, everything the former members do has some measure of Dead in it. I'd even include Mickey's most excellent Global Drum Project, which, even though having no overt connection to the Dead, does have a Rhythm Devils feel to some of their music and certainly shares the Dead's searching spirit and adventurous approach.

It still blows my mind that there are folks over in the DNC "Furthur" conference--really the same five or six cranky guys--who just will not lay off Furthur; who have made it a perverse mission in their lives to slam the band at every opportunity, droning on and on about the "fake Jerry" and how the group's very existence is some affront to mankind. This has been going on for close to two years!It's a pretty sad display.

People, it's music. If it's truly offending your sensibilities to the point of obsessiveness (something the haters would deny, but you wouldn't believe the amount of time they devote to their negativity on DNC), why not channel that energy into something more constructive, instead of dwelling on something that is just an attempt at making some fun music for folks to enjoy? Playing this music is not a crime. It's a gift to a lot of people. "Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on..."

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....and I have been to one (2010/07/07 in Ottawa). I saw twenty four Grateful Dead shows and one from The Dead. The bottom line for me is that I listen to Furthur and I feel good when I do. If the people in the band are enjoying themselves then rock on my brothers and sisters. If you listen and you don't feel good...don't listen any more. I intend to take it Furthur. By the way did anyone alse flip out for that version of What's Become of The Baby from 2011/03/27. Sweet! Spent A Little Time On The Mountain, Spent A Little Time On The Hill
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I have seen all the post Jerry bands and have enjoyed them all, some more than others of course. This music is too special to let it die! I was very skeptical of John to begin with, so skeptical that I avoided seeing DSO for years. When I finally saw them I was quite impressed. I love Furthur. To me this is the best post-Jerry band! John's playing is clearly influenced by Jerry but he continues to show that he is not afraid to bring his own ideas to the music! My 14 year old son loves the band and their music has clearly been healing for him. If I had decided not to go because Jerry wasn't there he would have missed out on something very important to him! We're going to see Furthur tomorrow in Hampton, VA and his teacher just told me how much he's been talking about it at school and how excited he is! Let the music continue! God bless Furthur!
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and boycotted everything but Other Ones up to The Dead in 09 (except first 2 FurthurFests. Maybe Bob & Phil (together but separate) were going and exploring and the drummers were going elsewhere. All of Phil's line-ups were casting for a lead guitar and, with the choice made, w/ Bob and Chimenti onboard and agreeing with JK, the (last, perhaps) iteration was born. I love them. I love the synch with the age of the crowd and the tempo and the slower outdoor scene. I hope they stay together a long, long time.
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I didn't take to Furthur easily, but I have come to enjoy and appreciate the shows. At the start of the post-Jerry era, I was lukewarm on RD but I loved P&F and TOO. By 2000, to my surprise, my feelings changed drastically. Phil's "Q" was a huge turnoff to me -- I felt bludgeoned by the music, and after walking out a few times, I stopped seeing Phil's bands. Meanwhile, I started appreciating RD for its own peculiar sound and take on the music. The various "Dead" outings left me kinda cold, and I realized that as much as I loved Phil in the GD (back when Jerry died, I thought the music wouldn't "matter" to me unless Phil was involved), there were aspects of his approach that I did not relate to at all. Furthur is certainly the best GD cover band out there, but at this stage I'm not so interested in bands sounding the most like the GD. And I've never really been all that hung up on rare songs or unpredictable setlists. Sometimes I feel bludgeoned by Furthur, and I miss the subtlety and nuance that might balance out the bludgeoning for me. There are still aspects of Phil's approach that I do not relate to. Sometimes Furthur sounds too slick, like they're trying too hard. That said, there's enough to hold my interest that I'll keep going and having a good time. But for me, the band is neither as awful as its detractors say it is, nor as epic as it's pumped up to be.
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For a few years after Jerry died and I'd go see the various bands, it seemed as though the closer they got to the Dead's old sound the more I missed Jerry--maybe it put into stark relief what was missing from the sound. With a group like the PLQ, it didn't hit me the same way because Haynes and Herring clearly weren't trying to re-create the Dead's sound, so I could appreciate them for what they had to offer (though I don't disagree with your bludgeoning comment!). What I missed from so many Phil lineups (and from RatDog), though, was that Garcia sweetness that ran through so much of what he did. For me, JK is the first guitarist in any of these bands to really capture that on a consistent basis. And it's not just on the Hunter-Garcia tunes. I love that coda he plays on "Unbroken Chain" these days and some of the pretty, Garciaesque stuff he plays on tunes like "Mountain Song" and "High on a Mountain." I've liked other singers who have tackled the big ballads--Warren Haynes, Joan Osborne, Chris Robinson, Jackie Greene--but John is the only guitarist who has consistently inhabited that tender and melodic guitar space for me. YMMV.
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It took me a very long time to get over my "without Jerry it ain't worth it" view. Boy, am I happy I did. And your comments reflect my thoughts exactly. I was there Sunday night at Radio City. What a night!! Elvis Costello singing Jerry songs, his wife Diana Krall doing Peggy Lee songs, Phil dropping bombs all night, What's Become of the Baby. Are you kidding me? Me and my hardcore Deadhead friends all loved it. I have even come to appreciate Bobby way more than I did when Jerry was around. To me, the bottom line is that it will never be the same without Jerry, but this incarnation brings so much joy that it is self-defeating to avoid the experience. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I bought the download of the last two RCMH shows and have really enjoyed them! The whole Furthur tour, which I've been following pretty closely through downloads, "secret" live streams and on gdradio.net (used to be soundboards day after; now it's good aud. recordings day after), has been really hot IMO. Elvis C. can sing Jerry's tunes any time, as far as I'm concerned. (Really like Bobby's singing on that first encore of "Days Between" at that last RCMH show, too...)
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I did too. However, I don't know if you are aware of this, but a large number of people WALKED OUT during Days Between, and wound up missing the spectacular Fever with Krall and the whole gang singing Attics!! There is a lesson there. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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...people walked out. Peasants! It's not like in the middle of NYC you have to worry about getting out of a bad parking lot to "beat the traffic"! Well, their loss. The "Attics" is certainly among the best live versions I've ever heard by anyone. Stunning...
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, Blair. To me, JK's pluses and minuses kinda balance each other out. Sometimes I dig his contributions, sometimes they bug me, but mostly I prefer him in the background while I focus on Phil and Bobby, and JC to an extent. I was at RCMH and enjoyed the shows quite a bit. I really dug Costello's interpretations, and I'd be interested in hearing more of that and less of JK's hewing to Jerry's vocal nuances. Though I realize that most folks seem to want to hear the songs sung "the right way," that approach ends up sounding hollow to me. As pomo said, I have come to appreciate Bobby even more in this post-Jer world; and I was never down on him like so many heads always are. In some ways, one of the best things about this lineup is seeing Bobby start getting more respect. I really like his version of Days Between, and I was amused to see so many people streaming toward the exits when he started singing it the other night. OMGWAMS...
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i guess i can understand why one might want to leave early, especially if (s)he doesnt have the luxury of "sleeping in" the next morning and does want to beat the crowd in a slow exodus situation or its somewhat understandable for a person who goes to many many shows but i can only go to a few shows a year because of other commitments, if i spend time, effort and money obtaining tix, getting time off, and travelling to the venue then ill be damned if im not gonna take in every bit of live music from the boys (and girl) that they put out even if the encore is song ive heard to death or if bob sings a jerry song (which can sometimes slightly displease me) or whatever... i still wanna experience it the percentage of time of my life that can actually be spent listening to phil and/or bob (and jerry in the past) playing live in the same room with me is relatively small, i dont want to waste any opportunity i have for that
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I say Further when they were in town during the last tour and had a blast. The band was smoking and clearly enjoying themselves on stage. I was up in the balcony and it is designed to bounce up and down, well I didn't know this but with thick smoke in the air I just thought my mind was playing games with me. This was a great show, made extra special by a moving balcony.
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I started to really appreciate Bob when I went to some Bob and Rob shows in the early nineties Until I saw these shows I had tended to consider him "the other guitar player" in the band, but came to realize he has an incredible musical intelligence that is all too often underrated! He elevated "rhythm guitar" to an art form. As someone who had most of my musical training in a more formal setting, I would say that he plays 2nd guitar more than rhythm guitar! He has put together some wonderful ensembles in Ratdog and has been a driving force in the evolution of Furthur. Its time he got his due!
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I've enjoyed all the post '95 bands, particularly Warren Haynes with Phil. Anyway, I've always thought of Steve Kimock Crazy Engine as something like a new JGB. Kimock played a lot of Garcia Band tunes with this band, and of course, Gloria, Jackie, and Melvin played in it. The coolest thing about the band was that they clearly payed homage to the JGB by playing JGB tunes, but the JGB tunes they played were typically arranged differently than when Jerry was playing them. To me, Crazy Engine is to the JGB what Furthur is the GD: new interpretations of old faves and some entirely different tunes in the mix too. Pretty cool stuff. And I never knew Melvin could sing so beautifully. I sure hope Kimock tours again with this band...
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I have been loving post Jerry incarnations since day one. I went to the first Furthur festival in 1996. I remember my brother, the ultimate cynic, stating that people at the show were just looking to keep something alive that has long since passed. I disagreed with him then and I still do today. Jerry is dead and nothing will change that. But the music he and the boys played was always meant to keep evolving. Blair, I agree completely and I checked them all out. Just like you and many others. But when I heard about Furthur, I suddenly was a skeptic. You see, I had also seen DSO and thought of them nothing more than a glorified Dead cover band. We called John "fake Jerry" immitating his voice and all. That is what i envisioned when I heard this. I WAS WRONG. The band is absolutely amazing and i cannot wait for my next chance to see them. He does "feel it". I'm glad he is with the band and you can sense that Phil and Bobby feel it to.
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I love Furthur and I never thought I would see a post-Jerry incarnation that I could truly "love." I was one of the folks who simply wasn't a huge fan of the last "Dead" incarnation. Warren Haynes is a great guitarist, but his approach to this music did not move me in the way I wanted/needed to be moved. Other incarnations had their moments, but they never got under my skin. Furthur is a different beast altogether. They are tight and creative and jazzy. I could not be happier and, for the first time in a long time, am willing to travel to see them. Haven't done that with any band since GD. Also, Blair, I'm always saddened to hear you talk about your one DSO show not being a good one. I would suggest you revisit them. Yes, even without John K. I avoided them for many years on principle, then finally got dragged in and fell in love. DSO has been the closest thing to the GD experience I have ever engaged in. I have many Grateful Dead shows under my belt starting in the late 70's right thru to the "end," and nothing has brought me closer to that experience/feeling than DSO. And while I adore Furthur (and I really do!), they are a very different beast from GD. And I'm thrilled about that. DSO, however, are a group of supremely talented improvisational musicians who blow the roof off almost every single night. Along with Furthur, I have no problem considering them the best damn jam band out there. Give 'em another try. You might like what you hear...
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There are at least a couple of lessons to be learned from from the Days Between encore, and one of them might be for the band. Now, I am sure that there are some people for whom this is their absolute favorite tune (although I suspect I could count that population on my hands with fingers to spare) but this song sucks the energy out of the room faster than a complimentary eulogy of Richard Nixon. Every show I've been to where it was performed pretty much ground to a halt when it came up. So, encore is perhaps not the best placement. This song is better suited mid-set when it's ok to take it back a notch, and should be followed by something that has a little pep in its step. As for leaving early, well, that's just silly. At any venue. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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for various reasons i haven't yet seen the new further lineup. i have seen many phil and ratdog shows. so i can't tell you how further does it, but i just love days between. i think it has some of the finest, if not the finest, words that hunter has ever put to paper. i don't think ratdog ever covered it, but anytime i saw phil, days between was one of the songs i secretly crossed my fingers hoping to hear. that studio version on so many roads is just beautiful. so i'm sorry for some of you who really dislike that song, but clearly the band understands the power it holds...
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Good to see you in 'our' camp Blair. I agree with your article. I've heard all but 2 Furthur shows & seen them 5 times.. I also saw 60+ GD shows: most all of the Hampton GD (Warlocks!) runs, MWP, Jerry's 12/86 comeback shows (LOVED JGB 12.21.86 at the Stone) Paris & London '90. -I saw some great GD shows. Got a PhD & a couple of EXs along the way....the highest peaks the lowest drain ditches. I miss Jerry & Brent & Vince, too. Didn't know Pig or Keith... I found the Bloomfield run this year to be the best 3 night run of music that I ever saw! I *love* this band! I still can Be Here Now to Be & Hear, Here & Now Jack This is the season of 'What now?'! Think on This .... . . only music may span that space between the finite and the infinite . . . music may be the means of arousing and awakening the best of hope, the best of desire, the best in the heart and soul of those who will and do listen. Is not music the universal language, both for those who would give praise and those who are sorry in their hearts and souls? Is it not a means, a manner of universal expression! Thus may the greater hope come. Edgar Cayce 2156-1
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I'm with you Mr Pid. The times I have seen that song live it literally sucked the life right out of the place. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I don't think you man "literally," probably figuratively. Just sayin'. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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You summed it up nicely, Blair. My wife and I never got off the bus, but having a family sure did detour it for awhile. Saw the Furthur Festival in 97 and not much after that. Then one spring night a few years ago, DSO came to town and blew our socks off. We rediscovered the joyful energy we so much love. Made it a point to hit DSO at Penns Peak when we could and were very happy to see Furthur form with JK. As you elude to, it takes a special heart to recapture the soul of Garcia. Saw a couple of the recent Tower shows and rank them among my Top Ten GD experiences dating back to 79. In case you read this, Blair, I've got a book idea for you. I'd love to read the background and whole story of the Dead playing with Dylan, and how that came about. I think it rejuvenated Dylan's career, and would love to hear his take on that experience. We are coming up on the 25th anniversary of the 87 run.
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I'll keep it short. i've seen Furthur 27 times now. started at Asbury Park Christmas before last. followed the subsequent tour from Miami and the Hard Rock in Orlando, thru the south, Radio City Music Hall and some upstate shows. some summer shows as well. just wound up the Tower/Radio City run this year. Hea, i can not say there have been awesome moments. i LOVE Bob Weir. Great to hear him this way with Phil and all. Kadlick can play the hell out of the guitar. no need to mention Jeff. but jeez the Russo... talk about KILLS. Regardless, i have made the decision i won't be attending any longer. sorry, but i have had it UP TO HERE with Phil's moaning into the microphone. it sickens me. i walked out of Radio City during "What's Become of the Baby". the absoulte worst thing i have ever heard. the soundtrack to a horror show! Frankly, i will not attend any show with Phil Lesh. it is truely sad. if he stuck to just the Bass it would be fine-which we know he isn't going to do. honestly, do you think Garcia would have let Phil moan like that during the concert?
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... I do believe Jerry would have let Phil "moan" had he so chosen. He was very egalitarian in that way. Always encouraged the other band members...

Go to the lobby next time; no need to leave the whole show... but, whatever!

So, no points for tackling an impossible-to-perform song? I loved all the electronic drones and craziness going on behind the vocals...

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saw Futhur sun. elvis costello guest rocked it have a question whats with the elephants
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looks like new logo was on the flashing toy i bought for my kid when i got home i went 2 the futhur site and it was on some t shirts also
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The Devils are lurkingBobby just has to nod Or Maybe Phil? I see such greatness in FURTHUR + BILL & MICKEY (stadium tours) sidenote: this Joe Russo is the most adaptively greatest drummer I have ever seen!! who picked him? Phil and Bobby Makes sense, Right? We shall wait and ponder and anticipate.
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maybe the elephants you saw are a holdover from Phil's 70th birthday celebration at the SF Civic last year. Had a circus theme with a parade and everything... giant elephant covered in mirrors; pretty trippy...
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You talk about stadium shows as if it would be a good thing! It would not. I'm for keeping this trip as manageable and small as possible...
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I have seen many incarnations of Dead bands over the years and appreciate them all. I loved seeing Ratdog in a small, beautiful theater a couple times. The Dead reunion shows at Alpine in '02 were nostolgic, though I found Jimmy Herring's guitar playing annoying for the most part. I thought the '09 Dead was the best they could do, with Warren playing amazing stuff. I loved the Chicago show I saw. And then I saw Furthur in Chicago about one year ago. Wow, what a great band. They sound amazing and appear to be having a great time doing it. Like Blair, I love how varied the sets are from GD shows of the 80s-90s, with seemingly anything possible. I think JK fills the void left by Jerry's death better than anyone else has. My hope is that Furthur stays together for a long, long time. My only complaint-- why don't they visit the Midwestern United States more often? It seems that their tours are keeping them on the east and west coasts (and Colorado) for the most part. Please visit the Midwest this summer!! I really want to see you guys again.
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What a short-sighted decision. I agree that Whats Become of the Baby Sunday Night was somewhat tough to take, and Phil was droning on, but it was bold and historic and shows the risks the band is willing to take. Most of us weren't even born the last time the Dead played it. Then again, Unbroken Chain was spectacular, so I'm glad Phil keeps singing--sometimes you just have to wait through the stuff that you don't care for. I think the folks that walked out during Days Between learned that lesson the hard way. Personally, I am very content to have Phil sing as long as he keeps dropping those bombs and continues to amaze us all in his 70s. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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> ...five or six cranky guys...going on for close to two years...a pretty sad display... I used to post a lot on DNC about 10-11 years ago, but got busy with school, so I rarely make it back there anymore, but when I read your post above Blair, I had to take a peek to see who was raising hell over there these days and wasn't too surprised to find that it was the same five or six cranky guys recycling their same old Fake Jerry lines from ten years ago. I didn't understand it then and I still don't get it now; if you hate this music, if you think it's creepy, or a shallow parody, don't listen to it and please don't spend so much time trying to convince the world that you get JG in a way that noboby else does. As for Furthur, I've only had the opportunity to catch the Couch Tour this spring so far; school keeps me too busy for shows these days, but from what I've heard via ustream, this band is tearing it up and delivering the goods pretty consistently. The composition of Abbey Road at the shows in Boston and NYC was really exciting to follow night by night and the Further Abbey playlist that I culled from those shows is in heavy rotation at my house lately. So it's all good from where I'm sitting. Some of my favorite music is still being played by some of my favorite musicians while the world keeps changing and some things stay the same. Looks like another day in paradise and there's barely time to wait.
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27 shows to decide you don't like Phil singing? Whatever they say, no one can accuse you of acting on impulse :-)
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I had that same thought. Guy's a glutton for punishment evidently...
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I liked the PLQ with Haynes and Herring best, though I have not seen all the incarnations. I still hold out hope to see Phil in particular perform with a sharp, experimental guitarist such as Henry Kaiser, or a unique stylist like Glenn Phillips or Gary Lucas. The nostalgia trip has intensified, and there is not as much white space and extended, non-idiomatic improv as I would like. Let's hear Phil Lesh, great band leader and composer, go for it again in real time, someday. All space, all the time.