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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

    GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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  • carlo13
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    The chink in the armor for DVD-M disk and other long store media would be high cost of ceramic or glass technology to be lost to another physical technology. We will always have two types of media for music/movies. One for the masses and one for the stubborn and older people not hip to the jive. Just like newspapers. I like newspaper form instead of buttons. After your done with a newspaper, you can roll it up and swat things like pests and people who ask to borrow your Dave's picks. It can also be used as a low cost telescope and giant spitwad straw. All been tried by the way.

  • Vguy72
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    Amazon sucks....

    ....unless you want something tomorrow. Then they're ok.
    I just tested a CD-R I burned fifteen years ago. It played. Then again, my media room is dark as fuck. Bonus points!!
    CD-R ethics. Hilarious. That is one of many reasons why I come here on almost a daily basis. Faceplant into Rokk.

  • Charlie3
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    Been listening to some earlier Dead lately after a little run of '73 shows. Gave DaP10 12/12/69 and DP16 11/8/69 a listen over the last couple of days and spinning DP22 2/23-24/68 now with that excellent Viola Lee Blues. Seemed like a good choice after finishing the first snow shoveling of the year on a gorgeous sunny day in the Bitterroot. Been a while since I listened to any of these and they hit the spot lately.

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    Interesting discussion of an area I am ignorant of. It makes sense, though, what has been written. I made a load CD-R copies around 10 years ago, mainly of cds I already had, but also of ones borrowed or of digital downloads.
    I used these on long car journeys, but as they have long since stopped, I have stored them all in the attic...in direct line of sunlight. And lo and behold, a good many of them no longer play.

    I didn't know you could buy CD-R editions from Amazon. This would only be attractive to me if they were of limited edition cds that are now sold out. The digital downloads don't have the sleeve notes. The one I have just looked up is the Muddy Waters double cd Hoochie Coochie Man Volume 2 Chess Masters on Hip O Select. It costs a small fortune for the regular cd, the download is cheap-but missing info-so a CD-R might be the way to go. But I couldn't see how to access such a thing, if, indeed it is available for this release.

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    I spent some time looking into the CD-R situation and it seems that the main issue is the longevity of the CD-R and the fact that the longevity is dependent on how the disc is treated and the specifics of it's production. As Icecrmcnkd noted in his nice summary, the CD-R uses a dye layer. This dye layer is apparently sensitive to light exposure, to the extent that a couple weeks of direct sunlight may kill it. The information that I found indicated that there is significant variation between the light sensitivity and longevity of different CD-R discs depending on the type of dye layer used. There are a variety of factors involved, but the upshot seemed to be that a CD-R is not actually equivalent to a regular stamped audio CD and is a lesser quality product, to at least some degree, with a greater potential for failure.

    Amazon makes clear that they are using this approach to save on warehouse costs and to make it possible to offer out of print releases in very limited quantities. That's great, seems like a good use of the technology. My problem is just with amazon selling CD-R copies of new releases that have an actual CD release available, or I as I can't help but feel, selling me a slightly inferior product when the full quality version is readily available. My apologies to any bored by my rambling OCD diversion into CD-R technology and the ethics of CD-R sales.

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    Perhaps, but as you suggested we are getting an inferior product basically at full price. If they are going to do this, spend the extra money and get a professional quality machine and do it right. We pay the same price, get an inferior product and Amazon likely makes more money per CD than they do selling a standard CD that was made using the standard, higher quality manufacturing process.

    It's a slipper slope, how long until Dave's Picks start coming to us as CDRs. I'm against it. I will pay an extra fifty cents or a dollar to have a real CD.

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    Good one.

    That DaP 5 is probably the best. The only real challengers for me would be DaP 23 (1/22/78), 29 (2/26/77), 11 (11/17/72), 17 (7/19/74), and 25 (11/6/77). But then there's 15 (4/22/78) . . .

    I recently went looking for an old Chet Baker CD, and it's only available now as a download, or as one of those CD-Rs from Amazon. Seems legit, as it's licensed by the estate of Chet Baker. The cost of keeping a CD in print is prohibitive when the demand is low, but if one still wants a physical product with all the liner notes and cover art, then Amazon will burn you a copy for a few dollars more than the download. I think a Bob Seger CD I was looking for can be printed that way too.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Convenience factor

    For someone who doesn’t want to do digital downloads or doesn’t have a burner, then on-demand CD-R might be the way to go.
    Maybe some bands are going to ditch their record label’s CD factory and use digital downloads with the option of an on-demand CD-R.

    Bears.......

    beat the Lions.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    On-demand CD-R’s

    Not really any different than selling a digital download.

    They just need to make it very clear that it is a CD-R, because CD-R’s are not the same as CD’s. Anybody who claims that they are the same is lying.

    CD-R’s store data with organic dye molecules which will slowly break down over time, but it depends on storage conditions. I have 20-year old CD-R’s that still play.

    Factory made CD’s store data on a thin film of metal. The data is pressed into the metal film with a negative, very similar to how vinyl is pressed. This allows for a rapid stamping process and mass production.
    But, as demonstrated by Rhino with every GD release, if you half-ass the process and don’t use quality control there will always be a batch of defective discs sent out to customers.

    I would not buy an on-demand CD-R, only factory pressed CD’s.
    But, if there was something that I wanted and it was only available as an on-demand CD-R or a digital download, I would do the download and burn my own CD-R.

    Also note:
    DVD+/-R uses organic dye.

    DVD M-Disc uses a ceramic and/or glass layer that is supposed to last for 1000 years when stored properly.
    United States Patent US008389095 B2
    Date of Patent: Mar. 5, 2013
    OPTICAL DATA STORAGE MEDIA CONTAINING SUBSTANTIALLY INERT LOW MELTING TEMPERATURE DATA LAYER

    BD-R HTL (high-to-low reflectivity, the burned area is darker) is also a type of ceramic and/or glass and averages the equivalent of 500 years in simulated testing.

    BD-R LTH (low-to-high, burned area is brighter) is organic dye similar to CD-R and DVD+/-R.

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    If they are licensed then it would seem the artist get some sort of cut. Perhaps it's a way for artists to get around labels and bring CDs to market at either less cost or by giving up less of a share to corporations.

    Then the issue becomes one of the quality. If this is the direction music is heading, it really makes digital more viable and the physical product that much less desirable??

    In any case, very interesting.. thanks for sharing. It gives us something to be on the lookout for.

    Edit: I finally found the 'hidden in plain sight' language on the Flaming Lips CD. I had to look several times. Sneaky. I guess it's legit. Weird though. I need to give this some thought. Do they look the same as CDs (i.e. have artwork or professional images and detail on them or are they like the ones I make.. with the title hand-written by a black or blue sharpie?

    "Note: This product is manufactured on demand when ordered from Amazon.com. [Learn more]"

    Giving this more thought.. I agree with Cone Kid's comment (above this), this is a lesser quality product and should be significantly discounted, not $12 a CD. I guess the advantage, assuming they are being honest, is they are more eco-friendly?? but are the really? I gut tells me we should demand higher quality. If they had professional equipment instead of an industrial version of my CD burner.. wouldn't that be equally eco-friendly? Methinks we are getting an inferior product and Amazon wins the consumer loses.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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I received a damaged Dave's 32, ripped box, broken plastic and scratched discs. I emailed and haven't heard back. I am really excited about this release but disappointed I haven't heard from anyone yet... Has anyone else had a problem? I'm frustrated I can't get a hold of a real person. Help!

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Deej, there's an 800 number for customer support somewhere on this website. I couldn't find it but take a look around. Normally when you email customer support you get a generic response that is automated and opens a ticket number for you. If that didn't happen I would go with a second email plus a phone call. If you can't find the phone number on the site Google it. I'm driving or I'd look it up for you.

Vguy I'm sorry man. I put in a prayer for you and your daughter.

There is a good block of Music in the taperssection from Jerry's birthday in 1973. It begins with dark star then goes El Paso, eyes of the world, morning dew. In the immortal words of V guy, Morning Dew ain't no filler! If internet stories are to believed B, believed I mean be believed, this is the last show Jerry used the Nash Strat AKA Alligator. I'm going to do the trick where I started at the same time as I start the copy I have on my phone, and I'm going to get that cool vibratoe effect. We'll save that for work. I wonder if it sounds better than the copy that I have... Unlikely, mysource is impeccable. Sorry about all the spelling errors. Voice translator is doing particularly poor this morning., or my speech is just slurred, which is a distinct possibility before my second cup of coffee. Oh I shouldn't even be driving before two cups of coffee, but I like to save one for work.

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Sorry about your delivery, but it's good to see another Minnesotan around these parts! (I'm assuming, given the Mpls in your name) You, DeadVikes, me . . .

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I'm happy to hear that some have received their orders (whether purchased via subscription or a la carte),. As a DP subscriber since Day 1, it's incredibly frustrating that it's been two weeks of radio silence since V32 started hitting mailboxes. Nothing left to do but... well, you know.

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I hear someone saying all Dave's prior to this went fine. Now, "I've hit a snag" on this one. That's a pretty damn good average. We are so used to getting everything we want, when we want, NOW!! All will be resolved, it always is. If you aren't in the ICU right now, maybe getting a cd late should be not too big a deal. Sheesh!!

Regarding sick relatives, I have a niece who found a guy with a drug problem, and she was going to SAVE him. She now has 2 kids, dad is out of jail but not reliable at all, and she's been addicted for 5 or more years. I now know that all I CAN do is pray. I've told her mother(my sister)that I am willing to go the extra 100 miles to help(take to rehab, take to meetings, help understand recovery), but until she is willing to ACCEPT help, there is absolutely nothing I can do. She will likely die if she can't detox soon. It's a very sad story I've seen way too many times in my life. Friends, acquaintances, co-workers. It's awful. Apparently "Just Say No" didn't work.

Best King Biscuit broadcast was the one culled from 10/6/77 (although some have debated the date) It has the best(IMO...) post-hiatus NFA, long & fast, makes a detour by MLBJ, then melts into Black Peter and comes right back to NFA at full speed. As good as any late '71 NFAs.

LOVE that Nat box; discovered that what I though were Vibraphone solos in some of these tunes, were actually played by Nat on a Celeste, really cool sound(I think TC used a celeste on Anthem of the Sun). Interesting version of Russian Lullaby in there too.

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For all those sitting there in limbo, I am as well. I was so excited about this pick that I ordered one for a buddy. That one was delivered on 11-5-19. My subscription version hasn't even triggered a "Your Order is on the Way!" e-mail.

How this could possibly be the case is beyond my overtaxed, undernourished and haltingly functioning brain, but it is nonetheless the case.

V-Guy, sorry to hear about your troubles. Family issues are never easy to deal with. I hope things turn out for the good.

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...What oroborous said!

Be Well My Man.
SIxtus

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send me a PM with the details and I'll see what the Doc can do.
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all good to you and your family.
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....that you were blocked by your step-daughter, which just happened. When the going get tough, the tough put on 6.17.91 Blu Ray. Deadhead therapy is severely underrated. Take that Frasier Crane. It's out of my hands apparently.
Anyone else notice how shiny Vince's fingernails are? They literally sparkle. Lol.
The Jerry/Bruce bromance is REAL.
Thank you marye.....
The lyric " close the gap of the dark years between you and me" just hit home. Amazing.

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Hang in there Vguy. The Dead has always been good therapy.

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....during Might As Well is the shit. Love it. Thank you deadvikes. I came here to bare my soul and you all didn't disappoint. I love you all. Thanks for putting up with me.

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Been on a jazz run lately . . .

Lee Konitz--Very Cool
Betty Carter--Look What I Got
Chet Baker & Crew
Amber Rubarth--Sessions From the 17th Ward (what an amazing-sounding recording!)
Public Enemy--Fear of a Black Planet

And I finally made it to the second 1973 show from the PNW box.

From this past year, I have LOVED DaP 29 (2/26/77) and the Giants box. The Aoxomoxoa bonus disc was quite sweet as well.

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I don't know if someone else commented but the 5:52 into trucking was a quick hi- hat strike and step which sounds cool. So to me it's a no glitch. It could have been a regular cymbal strike back to back too.

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When i was trading tapes back in Mid 80's to early 90's, i really lacked a lot of good quality shows from 11/13/78 Boston to their last show on 2/17/79. There were just not a lot out there. 11/24/78 Cap Theatre in Passaic from the radio broadcast, 12/30/78 Pauley Pavilion, and Closing of Winterland (Also with my VHS copy that i got in 1988. Also my favorite unique show that I never have spoken about on here, 11/20/78 Set II from Cleveland Music Hall with the last If I had the World to Give. The Rock for Life show from 2/17/79.. I' m listening to 11/18/78 Uptown Charlie Miller Board right now... If any of you have any recommendations from these 40 odd shows, that i haven't really ever listened to that much please let me know.... Thanks.... Bob t

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I had Day Job therapy today. Time to wash it away with some ripping Grateful Dead. Did someone mention therapy? This shit beats the hell out of prozak…

(edit: minor clarification.. no, I didn't listen to day job for therapy, I need therapy because of my day job)

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I forgot how great the Ramones first album is

high energy stuff

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Enjoying the latest Dave's Picks from 3/24/73. Very good show. I did not think the previous spring 73 shows from Springfield and Boston were outstanding. Glad to have this Philadelphia show.

previous Spring 73 not outstanding?

WHA'???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I disagree, good sir.

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Now here's something to chew....been waiting for something like this from Garcia Saunders.

Garcia Saunders 1.23.73 Boarding House San Francisco....release date 12.20.19!!!

So flippin' funky.....absolute smoker!!!!

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12/12/78 (nice board)
12/17/78 (get the one with the bob interview and both audience and board to get the whole show)

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.... underrated in this day. This is why I visit here.

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We're with you man.. we're already working on for your re-election, Senator. Your future is bright.

As for previous spring, I might be of the inclination that Springfield was a better show but I like Boston more. That recording sparkles for the era and I think it might just sound better than the Spectrum. I do like the performance of the Spectrum the best though.. disc 3 is hot, the Sunshine also shines.. and the PITB and Stella Blue? Wowwow stuff, but admittedly I have a '73 bias.

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I agree with stoltzy. Whaaaaaaaa??? This Dap is so good it belongs in a leather briefcase to be shown to new dead fans as to how it was to see them in the day. Not judging, just saying. Peace.

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I dig all three of the Spring '73 Dave's Picks - DaP 16 Springfield 3/28/73, DaP 21 Boston 4/2/73, and DaP 32 Philadelphia 3/24/73, but I am most partial to the Springfield, for the Dark Star - Eyes of the World sequence. Boston is a close second for me, and I think Jim may be right about the sparkling recording quality, I would say that the sound quality of the Boston recording just edges out the recording quality of the Springfield show, but not by much. Both are excellent quality to my ears. The Philadelphia recording sounds fine to me, and the I dig the show as well, particularly discs 2 and 3. While it is not my favorite of the 3 Spring '73 DaPs, it is a great addition to the other two shows and that whole disc 3 sequence is fantastic. I like to have a series of shows just for the variation. In any case, the three of these releases are a trinity of bliss from my point of view.

Vguy, sorry to hear about troubled family members. That is a suck deal for you and Mrs. Vguy, my condolences.

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I emailed DL a couple of years ago about possible release of any Godchaux shows from Jan / Feb '79. He said there are no tapes.

In my pursuit of Dark Stars I found a good AUD recording of 1/10/79, with Dark Star, Shakedown, Miracle, and Stagger Lee. It's no Betty Board, but it's recorded very evenly, so once you get used to the initial sound, there aren't really any rough spots. It's up on archive.

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I thought you would be bigger. "Opinions vary".
For my elephant ears the Boston Garden show, Dave's 21 is the cream of the crop so far for the Spring 73 tour. I still need to listen to Dave's 32 again after listening to other releases. However, there are some issues with the sound. 21, on the other hand, there are no issues with the sound at all. I agree with Carlo, this belongs in a sealed box!
And then for me, the 30 Trips show from 11/14/73, might even be better than Dave's 5, 11/17/73, which still sits in the top 3. Unfortunately the order of the songs are changed. Don't forget that Denver show from 11/20, just unreal.
Again opinions vary.

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I really like this release. I was in the right frame of mind late Saturday and played highlights of disc 2-- I absolutely love the Here Comes Sunshine, Playing in the Band and the China Cat. The Playing jam is especially straight forward-- exactly how I like them (my favorite era for this song is late Europe 72 through 1973). The China Cat transition jam by Bob and into Jerry is especially good on this one. Love it. And disc 3-- not much needs to be said, love the backwards Dark Star and I had forgotten how great Truckin' was in 1973. This is a great one.

All three of the DaP early 1973 releases are stellar. All shows have tight first sets/discs with more exploratory 2nd discs and then out there 3rd discs. Having all three really gives us youngsters (first show in 88) an idea of what a typical show was like in this period. Can't pick a favorite-- I think like Jim, the last one I listened to is my current favorite.

Re: disc issues, I had the disc issue with DaP 28 and got the replacement discs. The third one worked fine. However, a strange issue arose since then with some of the cds not playing in my car stereo. For example, for the new release, discs 1 and 3 play fine. I started disc 2 on a morning commute and got a couple minutes into Playing and arrived at destination. Next car start-up, I get a "CD is unreadable" message from the player/computer. That cd still won't play in the car, but does play in player at home. Similar issues with all the releases this year. I have had no problem ripping the cds or playing them on home player, though.

My theory-- cd manufacturing is so far down from 10 years ago because of streaming that the profit margins are getting squeezed and producers are putting out inferior product as a result. I don't buy much hard product outside of the Dave's Picks, so can't compare to other more mainstream releases. We haven't had a price increase in 9 years, maybe a slight increase in cost and profit could help pay the cd producers a bit more and help with quality assurance. Just a thought.

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Thanks for they help. I followed the steps with the email, but the 800 numbers is only for ordering. Still haven't heard back. Currently wouldn't order anything else from Dead.net until they improve customer service. Seems I'm not alone. Hoping they read this stuff and improve things.

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1-15-79 2nd set!

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I have never gotten a defective CD from another band, but have gotten at least one per year for the last several years from GD/Rhino.
No defective CD’s in the Pink Floyd Box, Bear’s Sonic Journals (Janis, ABB), JGB Electric Eel, etc.
The Rhino CD’s are thinner, indicating that they are trying to cut costs by using less plastic. I suspect that they also are trying to cut costs by making the metal layer thinner too, but that is where the data is stored.

For each of the last few subscription periods I have contemplated getting 2 subscriptions as a hedge against defective CD’s, but then decided that I would most likely get 2 copies of any defective CD, and would have to do twice the work trying to get replacements.

I’m really quite shocked that the GD Organization allows Rhino to operate this way with their music. Maybe it was written into the contract that Rhino would have exclusive rights to the GD Vault, but didn’t actually have to produce a quality product or provide quality customer service.

Seems that Garcia Family control of the Jerry Vault results in a better quality product and responsive customer service.

I am not a robot, but I wonder if robots would provide better quality control, warehousing and shipping logistics, and customer service.

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Is it possible to add a picture with my comment? It’s also quite possible that I’m missing something obvious.

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If you can imagine changing your address to another it can be a problem. The post office does not route all mail including magazines and other periodicals. You have to do this yourself by calling or emails. It takes several weeks sometimes. Now imagine you have hundreds of thousands if not millions of products from this and other countries to change addresses and warehouses and you can imagine the cluster*uck it can cause. Plus the number of incompetent moving companies driving around using a gps leading them to the sea and saying this does not look like a warehouse. So I can see their problem. Mabey stop taking orders till it's resolved or something to reduce the pressure.

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They removed the ability to post pictures when they switched/upgraded to the new website a year or so ago. Pics and embedded YouTube links are a thing of the past.

You can, however, still post links to erectile dysfunction cures, sites where you buy cheap internet and Chinese, North Korean or Russian bot websites though.. so if that's your thing, have at it. (kidding of course, and a big thanks to MaryE for removing all that stuff before it has a chance to corrupt our innocent minds).

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Removing Pictures........

They were replaced with reCRAPTCHA pictures.

There used to be so many pictures, videos, gifs, etc that you had to scroll through many pages a day just to read that day’s discussion.

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