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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • KeithFan2112
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    Spring '73. When you finish dosing on DaP 16 & 21, don't forget this old gem, Dick's Picks 28th. IMHO this duo will stand toe-to-toe with just about anything from 1973.

    The Dark Star is obvious, but The Greatest Story Ever Told will take you by surprise. The sleeper is The Other One => Eyes of the World from the Salt Lake City show.

    February 26, 1973 – Pershing Municipal Auditorium, Lincoln, Nebraska

    "The Promised Land" (Chuck Berry) – 3:36
    "Loser" (Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia) – 6:58
    "Jack Straw" (Hunter, Bob Weir) – 5:17
    "Don't Ease Me In" (traditional, arr. Grateful Dead) – 4:01
    "Looks Like Rain" (John Barlow, Weir) – 7:24
    "Loose Lucy" (Hunter, Garcia) – 7:04
    "Beer Barrel Polka" (Lew Brown, Wladimir Timm, Jaromir Vejvoda, Vaclav Zeman) – 1:07
    "Big Railroad Blues" (Noah Lewis) – 4:00
    "Playing in the Band" (Hunter, Mickey Hart, Weir) – 17:23
    "They Love Each Other" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:51
    "Big River" (Johnny Cash) – 4:36
    "Tennessee Jed" (Hunter, Garcia) – 8:03
    "Greatest Story Ever Told" (Hunter, Hart, Weir) – 5:26
    "Dark Star" > (Hunter, Garcia, Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Pigpen, Weir) – 25:23
    "Eyes of the World" > (Hunter, Garcia) – 19:09[a]
    "Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo" (Hunter, Garcia) – 8:00
    "Me and My Uncle" (John Phillips) – 3:26
    "Not Fade Away" > (Buddy Holly, Norman Petty) – 6:34
    "Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad" > (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 7:52
    "Not Fade Away" (Holly, Petty) – 3:02

    ****************************************************

    February 28, 1973 – Salt Palace, Salt Lake City, Utah

    "Cold Rain and Snow" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 6:30
    "Beat it On Down the Line" (Jesse Fuller) – 3:23
    "They Love Each Other" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:54
    "Mexicali Blues" (Barlow, Weir) – 4:03
    "Sugaree" (Hunter, Garcia) – 8:03
    "Box of Rain" (Hunter, Lesh) – 5:18
    "El Paso" (Marty Robbins) – 4:42
    "He's Gone" (Hunter, Garcia) – 12:06
    "Jack Straw" (Hunter, Weir) – 4:48
    "China Cat Sunflower" > (Hunter, Garcia) – 7:20
    "I Know You Rider" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 5:46
    "Big River" (Cash) – 4:26
    "Row Jimmy" (Hunter, Garcia) – 8:27
    "Truckin'" > (Hunter, Garcia, Lesh, Weir) – 12:02
    "The Other One" > (Kreutzmann, Weir) – 15:07
    "Eyes of the World" > (Hunter, Garcia) – 17:02
    "Morning Dew" (Bonnie Dobson, Tim Rose) – 12:40
    "Sugar Magnolia" (Hunter, Weir) – 9:11
    "We Bid You Goodnight" (trad., arr. Grateful Dead) – 3:05

  • icecrmcnkd
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    HENDRIXFREAK’s escapades

    And I thought I was cool at age 15 jumping my BMX bike.
    If I took off hitch hiking at that age my parents would have enrolled me in military school.

    Thanks for the stories, sounds like fun.
    Your shows should be released as a Box - Hendrixfreak’s Travels Box 72/73.
    Fully Plangentized and Normanized.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Thank you sir!

    Thanks Dr. Jim or Jim in Maryland or whoever you REALLY are........!!

    Hope you're right, we've booked Sat, Nov 2, to crank this new one. If it doesn't appear, our fall-back plan is 3-2-69 FW, where the good Mr. Grease delivers a few hot ones. So we'll rock regardless.

    I hope that they've worked out the kinks and deliver early or right on time for most everybody. Good luck to our long-suffering bros in Europe.

    I did break out 3-28-73 in anticipation and I've been mining the PNW box and, man, that whole year was huge.

    I know this is wrong, big time, but I'm already thinking about #33. Though I won't venture a guess as to content. (Okay, it's gonna be 1969...) Though I'm going to go out on a limb and repeat my box prediction for 2020: fall '72. If I keep it up, someday I'll be correct. In fact, if I remember correctly, that's what my ex-wife said to me when she gave me the heave-ho... [rimshot!]

    Okay, gents (and I hope a few ladies). Good luck on delivery. This one's gonna rock.

  • JimInMD
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    Hola HF.

    I expect this either leaning against the inside of my mailbox or on the front porch before 11/1. except for the last one, they have been delivered on or before the due date the better part of the last year, year and a half.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Question and a few memories

    So the "release date" is stated as Friday, Nov. 1.

    Does anyone recall whether pkgs -- for the lucky few for whom the system works -- actually show up on that date? Seems I remembered receiving a DaP on the "release date" in the past. (Tho not the last one.)

    Stoked to deliver this to my buddy living in the foothills here, without Internet (or women, but that's another story). The old man of the mountain has a monster old-school stereo that delivers WoS type impact.

    1973 holds a special place in my heart. Having attended 9-19-72, with Pigpen absent but alive, and the boys still sounding like E72, they turned a corner by early '73 and through evolving musicianship, instruments and sound system, they had a new sound. I got on a roll that year, two months after this show.

    In May, I saw the ABB at MSG -- I had a bong under my shirt. Cop stops me. What's that? An older cop tells the younger cop: "That's a bong. Let the kid go." Off we went. I was age 15.

    In June we jumped on a ride to DC, caught GD opening for ABB on 6-9-73; the Dead were good, but the ABB stole that one. I swear the extra half-tab to "top off" for the ABB had NOTHING to do with our impressions. But the day had cooled and the purple lights helped. EDIT: Yes, we missed 6-10-73 -- we were 15-year-old kids! No money, no food, due back in school...

    End of July '73, we jump on a ride to Watkins Glen and caught the whole two-day enchilada -- the afternoon/evening soundchecks for ABB, The Band and the extra-long evening GD warm-up, lying on sleeping bags in front of the stage, puffing fatties. Woke up the next day, right off snorted mescaline off a mini-cereal box and dropped a blotter as Jer & Co. came onstage at NOON. Etc. We hitched home and 48 hours later decamped to the lovely Roosevelt Stadium for two back-to-back shows with the GD and The Band (and Jer's b-day). Then one GD show at Nassau Coliseum in October. In 1974 I was hitchhiking across the country, turned 17 on the road, ended up in San Francisco in September, when the GD was overseas. I couldn't possibly hang for the October "farewell" shows -- no money, due back in school, had to cover 3,000 miles by thumb, blah blah blah.

    1973 ... a fine, welcome vintage. We will crank this one.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Yeah Ursa

    If it wasn’t for capitalism, there would not have been people standing outside the venue with a cooler waiting to sell you an ice cold beer as you exited the show.
    Those beers were awesome, even though I now think that Sammy Smiths is crap. But they were exactly what I needed after a show. I didn’t start drinking alcohol until after the show, when it was time to slide into the post-show state of mind.

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    different reel sizes and sources

    I believe for most GD sources there is usually one common source especially for this show... I could be wrong about this but during 1973 many shows were recorded by Kid Canderlero who really was not a bona fide sound engineer per se.. he simply was assigned or volunteered to take on the responsibility of recording concerts. I also believe during this time it was rather a PA mix / soundboard recording. The GD was one of the 1st rock bands to capitalize on live recordings, Live Dead, Skull and Roses, Europe 72, Steal your Face 74 (which is the worst sounding LP ever produces by the GD), Dead Set, Rekoning, Without a Net; and numerous others. It's astounding to consider how much commercial live material they produced, probably more than any rock band. Off my head, I don't know any other group has released this much on major labels; I'm not counting the Dick's Picks type stuff. If you do count the other formats; the GD certainly have the record. As for most of the recordings, the GD never thought they would be releasing regular old soundboard "document" recordings but they have capitalized that market. They do a great job of restoration for the most part but sometimes you can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear like they say... some of the releases have been sub par in my opinion, April 6th 1982 is a good example ... it wasn't a upgrade at all really.

    As for reel sizes, usually it's all from the same sound source or mix. The idea is to never miss a second of music since analog format has a finite amount of space because of tape length. The recordist would have multiple tape machines and would stagger their start times so there was always music captured, sometimes they would even run cassette machines, it's called "interleave" recordings. Now with the advent of digital workstations they can seam different reels with out any real detection of an edit. However, Betty Cantor had her own reel deck on the side as well; like many of us here we believed that she had the actual masters, maybe she did on some shows, but we now know that that's not the case. (Betty Boards were obtained when she had a storage locker that went unpaid and some "collectors" paid off that debt and acquired those tapes ... that's where the infamous Cornell 77 came from)

    Overall, the GD have done a great job of marketing their live music and let's face it, some folks believe they have sold out but I will be the 1st to say and admit - that the Grateful Dead's whole scene was a fury of capitalism, right down the grilled cheese sandwiches in the parking lot

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    Can't wait for this one, the entire 3rd disc is a real face melter. Jerry in ultra fine form, vocals like butter, honey butter, just fantastic, miss you Jerry.

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    Good find Jim

    ‘Bill Harris’ must be John Williams’ stage name.

  • DeadVikes
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    Winterland 74

    Don't forget the laughing guy in hat with glasses and mustache disguise, a young OROBOROUS*?

    And you are right about Dave's 21, Mr. Charlie62, if the sound quality is anything like this will be an awesome show!

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Ok purchased the last ten days or so...

Fleetwood Mac_Before the Beginning...live '68 & '70 shows spread over three discs
The Kinks_Arthur Box Set
Jimi_The Complete Band Of Gypsy's at The Fillmore East
Rolling Stones_Bridges to Buenos Aires
Various Artists_100 Blues Classics
Wes Montgomery_The Riverside years

plus a couple of new (to me) Charlie Miller boards from '74...can you tell it was just my birthday? and I have a few things still on the way....life is good....

You can make listening your new career once you have retired. Definite advantage to clocking on a bit.

I didn't know that the Complete Band of Gypsies had been released...maybe an appropriate one for Christmas.

Best non Dead listen for me has been The Final Bow box by The Pretty Things. A two cd, two dvd ( same music on cd as dvd) and 10" vinyl - signed copy if you are in the first 500. This was purportedly their final gig last December, and your humble correspondent was right in there. A tremendous gig and recording from one of Britain's best and most underrated r n b and psych bands of the 60s. Van Morrison and Dave Gilmour join the band-Dave Gilmour playing on no less than 6 tracks-including a roof raising 13+ minute version of Pretties classics LSD/Old Man Going. No home should be without one.

The actual name for the Hendrix box is "Songs For Groovy Children_The Fillmore East Concerts" Where they got that title I have no idea unless it's something Jimi says during one of the shows...I've had these shows on ok sounding board boots forever but it's nice to hear them this clean...

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From 1973, check out 11/23/73 El Paso Coliseum. Only time they ever played in El Paso. The show wasn't circulated back in tape trading days, Dead Base VI only has that they played Weather Report Suite.... 3 versions on internet archive. Good quality... Good cool fall day show to listen. Good weekend everyone... bob t

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I'm feeling pretty grooovy this Saturday afternoon, and I hope you all are as well! (Anyone remember Gingerale Afternoon ((The Astrology of a Saturday)))? Anyways...

Thank Bob T for the 11/23/73 recommendation! I've never heard this one, and I plan on making it my "cooking a beef stew for an awesome night at home" show! For anyone interested, here is a link for one of the versions on LMA (though I don't know if it's the best... apologies.)

https://archive.org/details/gd73-11-23.sbd.orf.194.sbeok.shnf

That 2nd set looks super tasty! He's Gone>Truckin'> TOO>Space(9:46! might just be a sick jam!)> Bobby McGee, Eyes! That run alone makes me salivate, and the rest of the setlist, on paper (or screen) looks just as great. Casey Jones 2nd set closer?

Also, I've been knocked out, once again, by the Arrowhead show from the Summer of 78 box set. What a great, high energy performance! IMO, and many of you all here, it's the best of the box. Worth the price, twice over.

My lovely wife is staring at me because I should have been out of the door 15 minutes ago... she wins again :)

Peace

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Thanks, it is the next show after the Denver shows. Wait until you listen to the Eyes of the World. It is stand alone because someone breaks a string. You can hear the China Doll that never happened!! It sounds like the end of the Eyes of the World from 8/6/74 Roosevelt Stadium without Bob yelling at the fence climbers.. November and December 1973 are just so mellow.. Bob t
PS the one song that they sort of forgot to play was Mississippi Half Step based on their location!!!

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Nappyrags...I've only got the official releases concerning the Band Of Gypsies, so this is a no brainer for me. When I have bootlegs, or semi official Hendrix releases, I am always in two minds as to whether I want the newer version. Case in point being the Winterland October 1968 shows. I got a 6cd set of the complete run, in variable sound, on the Reclamation label, so have never got round to buying the official 3cd release. I have often wondered how much better the official version sounds compared to the one I've got.

Incidentally, one of the few advantages of record shops being replaced by online ordering is that at least we no longer have to suffer the humiliation of going into an actual shop, to ask an actual person if they have something with a title like "Songs For Groovy Children"!

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Not much happening here. Except Dap 21 playing.

Youtube 7 31 71

Talkers...why do people talk so much DURING concerts? Dark Star...the universe is being explained right in front of them, and these guys are blaaaaaabbing. Grr...

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I just wondered if there was any way of removing that rubbish from cvabitrass.. whatever. Not only is it rubbish...its long rubbish!

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Watch 11/24/78 Capital Theatre!!! Closed circuit tv broadcast..... the good old days.. First show that i got with an Ollin Arageed, back in 1985.. Good tapes were in circulation because of the radio broadcast.. man that was a giant spam post that came through!!!

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Todays palate-cleansing 30DOD entrée (https://www.dead.net/30daysofdead):
An almost 43 minute "He's Gone>Truckin'>The Other One".
Hint: A trio of classic Grateful Dead songs from 1972, 1970, and 1967, assembled into a perfect jam sequence

Anybody figure these out (Keithfan?) Don't spoil it for the rest of us, just a simple nod will do ;-)

(WOW! Just got a pass from Captcha – no whack-a-mole-ing of traffic lights!)

I wish I could deal with things as efficiently as that.

Oh..its still there. Not to worry . Thanks anyway-why not.

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Went and ordered The Pretty Things - Final Bow. I know I got a fart in a wind storm chance of getting a signed copy, but it was limited regardless.

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Revisited DP 1 12/19/73 yesterday, some good stuff on there. That was probably the first non-album Here Comes Sunshine that I ever heard, and just the whole live '73 sound was sort of a revelation. The shows I attended were mid-80's and the tapes I had were mostly early '80s shows of varying completeness and sound quality, so DP 1 was really something different for me when it first came out. Listening to it now made me wonder what the rest of the show was like, and wondering if DaP 32 would have been released as a partial show like some of the other early DPs if it had been released at that time. Personally I'd rather get complete shows, even if they are a little uneven, rather than a version of a show edited to leave the perceived highlights. Sometimes the lowlights have something cool to add to the show, and sometimes not everyone agrees on which parts are the highlight. Just my rambling thoughts on a Sunday morning.

I hope you like it, Dennis. I have to be honest, I like it more with each passing day. The dvd is fantastic...the live cds have gaps between the songs like on Dead down loads, gawd knows why. If you got a limited edition, maybe you will get a signed copy. Its a bit late to say now, but I got mine from Burning Shed-a bit cheaper last week than Amazon.
I have seen The Pretty Things in various small venues over the last 10 years or so, and the singer and guitarist Phil May and Dick Taylor always hang around afterwards signing whatever you like and having a laugh and a chat. Really nice people.

That's it for me with box sets for this year. Although I do keep casting my beady eye in the direction of this 6cd Complete Mighty Baby set that has just come out.

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Bob, I got through most of the show last night working on dinner (more slowly than I needed to...) and then the rest of the show (Bobby McGee thru the end) this morning. Agreed, that is a great Eyes! Also agreed, Fall/Winter 73 is such a mellow, wonderfully jazzy, exploratory period for the band - it's my personal favorite kind of 73 (sorry Spring!) I recently went through the Winterland box, and I've been rocking the Denver Road Trips in the car since Thursday (that disc 2 is something else!), so your suggestion was quite timely and appreciated :)

On another note, I was just up in the shower, thinking about Fall/Winter of 73, and then I start thinking about releases from this period... other than the Winterland Box and the Denver Road Trips, the only other one I could come up with was Dick's volume 1 (I'm sure I'm missing some, but...) Anyway, I log on here again, and there is a post by Charlie3 about Dick's 1 and the compilation style format of the early releases! I love the serendipity of this site! Or, it might be that we are actually just some sort of hive-mind.

So, here's the question I was thinking about: If any one of the Dick's that was chopped up to the highlights were to be re-released as the whole show, maybe something like The Complete Dicks series (couldn't help myself :), which would it be? I think volume 1 is a strong contender, or perhaps volume 12, that 74 monster....

Hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday. No Ravens today, so I'm not sure what to do with my time...

Peace

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GD Hartford CT 3/18/90
GD DaP8 Atlanta GA 11/30/80
GD Paris 5/4/72
GD Aoxomooxoa bonus disc
GD DaP32 Philly 3/24/73

Also...
GD DP2 10/31/71
GD Ready or Not
GarciaLive 11 Providence RI 11/11/93

and...
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac Live at the BBC

OK OK that's not five, life is good.

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Glad you liked it!! Late 1973 releases are interesting!! After the Nov Winterland shows, a lot has been released but some have been fragmented.
11/14/73 San Diego Released in 30 Trips complete
11/17/73 Los Angles complete Dave Picks
11/20/21/73 Denver Road Trips incomplete
11/30/12/02/73 Boston Dick's Picks 14 incomplete
12/4/73 Cincinnati Bonus Disk Winterland Box incomplete
12/6/73 Cleveland Bonus Disk Road Trips incomplete
12/10/73 Charlotte Download Series complete
12/19/93 Tampa incomplete

Hope that helps. Bob t

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1.-The who- meaty beaty big and bouncy 2.-Pink floyd- atom heart mother 3.-The Beatles-Rubber soul 4.-The rolling stones-sticky fingers 5. The association. Bonus- Sam kinison-has anyone seen me lately? Aaaahhh AAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

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Please Dave
Please

With 2 17 73's HCS > CCS > IKYR as filler on disc 4

Yeah baby

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Thanks, brother! How could I have forgotten about Dave's 5?!?! One of my all time faves!

Peace

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Rodgers, being battle-tested and a proven Super Bowl Champion should prevail over that west coast poser, Jimmy G.

But we'll see.

In the meantime, we've been rocking in the rockies:

Iron Maiden / Somewhere Back In Time: The Best Of 1980 -1989

Jack Bruce / A Question Of Time

Mark Lanegan / Bubblegum

AC/DC / Powerage

ZZ Top / Eliminator

\m/

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AC/DC - Back In Black
Deep Purple - Who Do We Think We Are?
Deep Purple - Deep Purple
GOGD - Dick's 29. 5.21.77
GOGD - Ready Or Not
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I wish the Patriots would just go away. Sorry Carlo.

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I support white rhino research by donating money I would otherwise spend on cigars. The white rhinos are also extinct except for 2 non-fertile females, but the scientists have viable female eggs that have been fertilized by another type of rhinos in hope of bringing back the white rhinos. Please help these poor rhinos. They are really great animals. Peace

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We get that a lot. No problem V.

You are a kind soul and a great presence here.

..but try and cut VGuy some slack. You have to understand.. before Mrs. VGuy, there was Gisele.. and Tom Brady ripped her away from Vegas and our beloved Senator for peace and legal weed. I bet once those restraining orders expire (Tom can be so harsh) or she comes to her senses and files for divorce.. everything will get back to normal.

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I did not know vguy was still pining for her. -Vguy remember the breakup rule. It takes half the time of the original relationship to get over it. Ha.

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11/25/73 Tempe AZ turns 46 today. A nice little show..

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So close...but...

Tom Brady and the Patriots are truly charmed. 90% of people on earth live real lives. 99% of sports teams live the reality of a kick in the balls from time to time. Not Tom and his buds.

Charmed. The only word to describe it.

Except that time they had their perfect season crunched. THAT was cool (for a non-Patriots fan).

But really. Charmed. Unbelievably charmed.

move away from sports, self. move away...

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Don't forget Dick's 14 from 11/30 and 12/2. Not full shows but really good shows and the sound quality for this release from 20 years ago is awesome. Kind of surprised me when I went back to have a listen to this one last week.
Also spent some time with the Dave's 25 yesterday from November 77, man I love this show, so great and the banter back and fourth is classic. I still think this one is better than the Colgate show, energy just seems different. Can't wait for DeKalb!
I still don't have Dick's 34, the Rochester show from the same tour.
I would be interested to know how this one stacks up against The Colgate and Binghamton shows. I think the PA reel on DP 34 gave me second thoughts.
Peace!

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That Playing in the Band>Jam>Mind Left Body from 12/2 is one for the ages.

The only release that both starts and ends with a Morning Dew.., one big MDew sandwich I suppose. I liked the second one better. Funny.. my memory is that this sounded a little muddy and they got crisper as Jeffrey Norman added to his bag of tricks, but my memory is a funny thing. I don't lean on it very often for good reason.

Hey.. DVikes, check your pm.

Also, this just in.. free livestream for JRad tonight. I you haven't checked them out before, try and fit it in. They have a hard-driving, high-energy approach to Grateful Dead music. They can catch fire when planets align just right.

https://jambands.com/news/2019/11/14/free-livestream-the-relix-channel-…

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Made it to Eyes of the World so far..... Always like Bob at the end of the show telling everyone to dig the sunset.... Thanks for the reminder... bob t

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