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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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    This is not eBay. If you have something you want to give away or sell at cost I think that is reasonable. You have been known to sell things at higher than cost to people on this web site.

    You said something in defense of yourself and your business practices on the public forum when you were selling Stanley Mouse stuff a couple of months ago. It sounded like you had somebody complain prior to the Stanley Mouse artwork you were peddling, and you were trying to discredit that person before they spoke out.

    It wasn't that long ago that you told me you needed CDs burned of the Fillmore West 1969 box set. I offered to help because you said you were going blind. You also said how grateful you are and that you would give me exclusive information on the shows that would be included in the 2019 box set that was released this year. I spent hours trying to convert the FLAC files that I have of Fillmore West 1969 into something that you could play, not because you offered me information that you really didn't have, but because I would do that for anyone indeed, especially someone who allegedly went blind. But then it got weird. You kept stringing me along on the PM, saying that you would tell me in a couple days and then a couple days would come by and you would just say something generic like "oh it's going to be so good you're not going to believe how good it is. It will be Primo". Or "soon very soon my friend". I think what happened was you realized that it was going to take me a lot longer to figure out how to convert Flac files into something I could burn onto CD, and you ran out of excuses to sell me because you didn't really know what the box that was going to be.

    Anyway this ain't eBay pal. I'm pretty sure it's somewhere in the bylaws it says you can't sell stuff here.

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    Sixtus - Thinking About You (Been There Myself)

    Sixtus:

    I'm very sorry to hear about your father's condition, and hope you will accept the sympathy of all of us.

    Having your parent go through an impending death situation is never nice or easy. My own father was going through a situation with congestive heart failure, and we lost him about 3 days prior to Christmas about 4 years ago. While I'm single, my brother is married, has 2 sons, and it was an awkward time for him to separate those observances for the purpose of remembering them so they aren't inextricably associated in his family's minds. I can't help but think of the similarity of that to what you're going through.

    I'm 2000 miles away from where Dad lived (and where I grew up), was planning on visiting him in mid-January, but alas, had to rapidly change travel arrangements to be there for the memorial. That certainly sounds kind of selfish, I know, but it's done, and I had to balance competing responsibilities (and while he understood that, I still regret it). The one thing the memory of that tells me, is not to try to defer any unfinished business I have with someone I care about - serious matters of health don't wait for or respect human traditions (the "end-game" occurred very rapidly for him- when his health began to slide it was done in a span of about 2 days). Details of the arrangements he took great care to talk to me about when we lost my mother about 13 years prior, so what my brother didn't know, I did and could fill in whatever gaps there were, so we knew his wishes were carried out.

    Thinking about you.

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    Jerry and Van Gogh

    Great comparison, and one that has never occurred to me before. Van Gogh' paintings are absolutely stunning if you ever get the chance to see the originals. The first time I came across them was in 1991, when I was in Amsterdam. I went into the Rijksmuseum just because I happened to stumble across it-I had no real knowledge or interest in Van Gogh. But I was transfixed...so many extraordinary paintings, and the more I gazed at them the more moved I was by what I was seeing. Definitely the unexpected highlight of the trip.

    The famous painting The Sunflowers is hung up in a London gallery, and I saw that again a few months ago. I walked into the room, and it was hanging at the end of the large room. And it was shining...I could see it even from a distance. You get closer, and it looks as though it is lit from within. Its...well, I say all sorts of things are amazing...but this really is.

    Back to Jerry, he did develop his tone, as opposed to John Cipollina, who as far as I can tell, found his sound and kept to it. Would it be fair to say that Jerry was initially inspired by drugs, and then confined by them? Maybe a bit presumptuous. But certainly in the first 10 years of the Dead's life, at least, he seemed able to stretch the imagination in way no other guitarist I have ever heard quite can or could. And believe me, I have heard a few.

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    Jerry and Van Gough

    I love the tones Jerry was able to get from his guitars throughout his career.. even in the acoustic days, his picking was clean and he seemed to always have a recognizable tone. Playing in the Band and Estimated Prophet are great examples but there are many. As his career progressed, so did his experimentation with tones (and guitars). Listen to Stella Blue or Loser over the years for example.. there was a progression.

    I took a bunch of art classes in college for fun and I remember reading about Van Gough at some point. There was talk about his use of colors, specifically Oranges and Yellows. There were lots of theories that his epilepsy and the drugs taken to control it combined with perhaps the absinthe he loved to drink (contains a toxin called Thujone, which when taken in high doses also makes ones vision skewed towards oranges and yellows) might explain why his paintings often reflected those qualities. That is how he might have actually seen things.

    I always equated Jerry's tone to similar qualities but instead of absinthe his drink of choice, at least in the early years, was Prankster Juice.

    Anyway.. silly and unprovable observation, but I do consider Jerry a tonal genius much as I consider Van Gough a genius of color. Since the topic came up I thought I would put pen to paper, I don't think I have ever discussed this thought before with anyone. I still think there is perhaps more than a thread of truth in this.

    Finally.. a friend shot me something on Meyer Sound this morning and it got me poking around in a few places. There was a pretty decent article on Jerry and his guitars which sort of circles this whole discussion that I found quite interesting. A pretty big topic for a Friday afternoon. TGIF!!

    https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/how-jerry-garcia-revolutionized-th…

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    LMG how much for WL 1977

    And what kind of condition is it in?

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    Great tones

    Both the Alligator and the Wolf sounded superb with whatever amps they were powered through...but for me the supreme tone was sourced with the mighty Gibson SG during 1969 and 1970. Sometime during 1969, Jerry started playing a sunburst strat at some of the shows, but the SG continued to make regular appearances, and can still be heard, I believe, to devastating effect, at Binghampton 5/2/70.
    But those Fillmore West shows from February-March 1969 may be the best recorded example of just how perfect that guitar sound was. I have never heard anybody get a better sound out of a Gibson SG. Apart from John Cipollina.

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    Thanks for letting me know about the PM problem. I thought I was going nuts every time I saw the message I wrote come back as sent to me. I do talk to myself sometimes, but rarely do I write to myself.

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    PMs
    Yeah, I know, and I've reported it to the tech folks so they're working on it. So sorry for the extra layer of aggravation.
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    PM's

    New PM's are not going through. Unless you reply to an existing, good PM thread whatever you send to someone else is only sent to you.

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    GDM is just fine?

    Now the calendar has shipped, so I don't have any complaints about my order from six weeks ago. (other than the lag time between order and shipment . . . )

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 14:28

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Todd Gak?

Set II from the Cow Palace is on deck.
Jim, remastered?

Happy New Year to all!

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 14:45

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Its Winterland 12/31/72 for me. My copy is the FM UK released box that also includes the support slots of one cd and two cds from the Sons of Champlin and the New Riders respectively. Neither of which I have played yet.

But the Dead's set is stellar. It starts off a bit slowly, and only catches fire on set 1s penultimate song, "Playin", which is 18 minutes of uncategorizable magic. The second set is rock steady until the "Truckin-Other One" which is out of this world.

I haven't got the Band of Gypsies box yet, but I played the first set from 12/31/69 that came out a few years ago. Seriously funky.

My only memories of Holland are of Amsterdam - a wonderful place to get lost in when I was last there-1990.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 16:53

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43 years ago tonight I was up at Winterland, fun show. A flyer went around at the show that said New Years starts at 1230 tonight. Bill Graham was over at the Cow Palace with Santana at 1200, he came back at 1230 to fly down from the balcony on a motorcycle. 50 years ago tonight I watched the Dead on tv bring in the New Years. Jimi M.D. I was at that show with Etta James on 12/31/82, it was fun. Happy New Years everyone, have fun.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 17:05

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Boston Tea Party... had the tapes...back in the 80's.. i have to say haven't listened to this one in over 25 years.... Big fan of Cow Palace show, and the 12/31/82 show...

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 18:11

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While yall are gding

I am stuck in a room playing pop hits

Its for a great cause
But i detest pop

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 19:18

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....theres pop, then there's pop. MJ and N'Sync. That's all I've got.
Stoltzfus is in the punch line. Happy 2020 everyone. Scored two tabs of acid recently. The first in a long, long time. Thinking about it....(maybe a half?)
A half it is. Don't tell mom.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Tue, 12/31/2019 - 21:49

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Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme one more for the road

What do you want? What do you want?
I want rock'n'roll, You betcha
Long live rock'n'roll

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Submitted by musicnow on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 06:32

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Happy New Year to all the GRATE heads that have hooked me up with music this past year! Looking forward to another year of GRATE releases!

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 11:10

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Also a big fan of Cow Palace '76 Jimbo. The multi-track really helps the engineering team punctuate Garcia's guitar; I beleive it's the only multi-track of the Travis Bean that's been released. I'm not much of a "best ever" guy, but They Love Each Other is something else. Highlights are too numerous - it's the whole show pretty much. Samson & Delilah is also particularly exceptional (coolest one-time only intro ever, right?); then again so are Eyes of the World, Playing in the Band and Morning Dew. And Scarlet Begonias. And UJB. Wharf Rat. Ridiculously good.

I would be in a tough jam choosing between Cow Palace and The Closing of Winterland. If we're talking strictly 70s, I don't think there's a better Stagger Lee or Miracle. From the Heart of Me is a nice interlude sort of tune. In my mind the Scarlet / Fire is possibly the most overlooked fantastic versions out there. The Dark Star is in my top ten desert island Dark Stars, I think probably because it just hangs on the main theme for the better part of 13 minutes and has a really intense 5 minutes of The Other One sandwiched in. Great version of Good Lovin', which I'm not particularly into without Pigpen, but every once in a while a special one comes along (this has a great sustained "got to have love" chorus toward the end). And then there's my boy Keith - the guy took a lot of bad press for (allegedly) losing his chops in 1978. I never heard it. All I heard was a shrinking canvas for him to play on. This show features some great playing from Keith that stands out on Big River, It's All Over Now, Playing in the Band, and Johnny B. Goode. Strong stuff.

Carlo - love the Def Leppard call-out.

Daverock - there was once an old regular here named wjonjd who was famously knowledgeable about most things Dead. He regarded 12/31/72 very highly, once saying, "the Truckin'-Other One-Morning Dew sequence has to be one of the greatest jams of absolute all time. Simply mind blowing."

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 14:06

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Keith...nice to read that someone else has spoken up for this Truckin-Other One-Dew jam. A lot of the great jams are well recognised as such - but this one seems to have slipped through the net a bit. Maybe because New Years shows only tend to get played on the evening in question, and there is strong competition from the other years mentioned on here. But I would highly recommend both this jam and the first set Playin' .

I'd better get on with 12/31/76 now, before the glamour of the moment fades completely.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 14:32

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....after Cow Palace, I wasn't done listening to the boyz, so I randomly picked Dave's 13 2.24.74. And, wouldn't you know it, that the ending crescendo of Morning Dew occurred exactly at the stroke of midnight. Mind blown.
Then I watched Phish's new years gag at MSG. Phuking Nuts. Happy New Decade!!!
https://youtu.be/vV0BSum25XQ
.....love em or not, they do put on quite a spectacle.
Edit. Trey gets stuck but improvised like a champ.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 16:28

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This Cow Palace 76 NYE is just outta sight!

Anyone need it? I'll send you a copy (do PMs work?)

Peace, and Happy New Year, DeadLand!

I was there for 28 and 29... tix for the 30 and 31 were crazy! The 29th was incredible though...

Send in the Clones.

Peace

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 17:37

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Like it more and more I play it........ Smokestack Lightening keeps getting me!!! Next up the 28 minute other one!!! When i first got it, i just played the Bo Diddley songs..... So i missed the rest...... best part of going back for a visit.
bob t

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Submitted by nitecat on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 17:50

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We went to the D&Co Chase NYE show last night. Geez that place is huge! Folks in the rafters better not have a fear of heights!

OK show with some nice highlights. H>S>F was great to open the second set, and a cool Milestones after drums. Third set after the Roaring 20's themed NYE countdown stunt including a Dead airplane and flappers was cool: SM>UJB>Scarlet Fire>Sunshine Daydream.

NYE 1971, 48 years ago, was my first Dead show, what a great annual tradition!

Happy New Year and New Decade, fun folk!

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 01/01/2020 - 20:02

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The Tennessee Jed on the recent DaP 32 has a blockbuster solo jam climax. I've always enjoyed Jed, but lately it's hit the upper tier of songs for me on account of that instrumental jam they go off on around the 5 minute mark (especially in one drummer mode).

Vguy I had a whole paragraph of boring shit about how I just realized last week how great that DaP 13 Dark Star is, but that I need to revisit the Dew. Then as I've done dozens of times before, I nodded off with my thumb resting on the backspace key and poof - all gone. Wasn't anything that captivating.

Bobby T - ditto on DP 30. Then about a month ago I finally checked out the rest. Brokedown Palace, China Rider, and Truckin' come to mind. Since you like the Smokestack Lightning, you may really dig the one from the previous December 7 on DaP 22. Something about getting that piano in there really helps these two versions (along with Pigpen's sincerest "wasn't me" inquisitiveness regarding who exactly did bite the little sister - Awooo! Good stuff

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 07:20

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What a great time to give this beauty a re-listen. I really should keep it on the box for a while.
I appreciated how that since they could not give us all of 1/3, they chose to eliminate songs that were played on 1/2, so it feels a little more complete to me.
Alligator-->Feedback medley on bonus disc is indescribably delicious!!
2020-Love it already!!

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 07:31

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Thanks for the reminder Mr. Ones....a 50 year anniversary....Mason’s Children knocking at my door!!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 09:03

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I was (and am) very high on this release, it's good to see this get some praise.

Let's not forget, the Mason's Children from this show first appeared on Fallout From the Phil Zone, so we know Phil had a high opinion of this version of the classic rarity. ..and the show starts exactly the same way as on the Fallout cut, like Bear had the tapes loaded and read to go but barely made it to the recorder to hit play just as the second chord of the song was played.. almost perfectly right on time minus one beat.

Yes, bonus material is a real treat.. but that Dark Star suite is also true classic (as is the one from Dave's Picks 13, Winterland 74 discussed just earlier in this very thread). To think.. the night before they had Hendrix and the Band of Gypsies, then two nights of the GD. Holy Cow.. to have been a young hipster bouncing around in Greenwich Village in late 69, early 1970. Wow, that must have really been something.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 12:05

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…. be on the lookout for a complete list of Jerry Garcia Shows!

I just got done, sorting, labeling and stacking every(?) show by Jerry,,,, about 800 show. Anyone have a complete list of every show, period? Then I can check what I have against what was done.

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Submitted by Dave Sweeting on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 12:15

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Thanks Wave that flag! its cool that a friend made copies for you. I did check my bank statements and yes they did refund my money without letting me know. It looks like box is all sold out now. Oh well. Happy new year

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 13:05

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4 2 73 wowzer
10 3 76 wowzer
4 25 71 currently at CJones
a pleasant surprise in first set
4 23 77
4 22 77

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Submitted by Kate_C. on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 16:53

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The database on jgarcia.com is the most efficient resource I've yet found. Its engine allows you to search by date range and lineup (including multiple lineups in a single query), then sort results in ascending or descending chronological order, while providing a setlist and roster of musicians. Link: https://jerrygarcia.com/shows/

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/02/2020 - 18:30

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Speaking of lists of shows, etc.. I would love to get my grubby little paws of a database of all the GD shows and setlists that exist. Something like setlists.net or deadlists.com that I would put in a database of my own.

Doubt if anyone out there has one they would share.. but thought I would ask while the subject came up.. I started screen scraping one of the sites and building my own, but only made it through 1968 or so and gave up. argh..

(I know.. nothing worse than geeks with spreadsheets)...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 05:43

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I have deadbase 50.. Big and purple, but unfortunately.. paper. I was hoping someone out there had all this electronically. It's the only way I stand a chance on 30 days of dead. :D

Wishful thinking...

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 07:45

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If I could go back to the past and attend any 5 Grateful Dead shows they would be: 2/28/69, 3/1/69, 5/2/70 and 5/15/70 early and. late shows.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 08:00

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Kate C - thanks for the heads up on the deadbase book, I didn't know that info was in there. I took a look and was, like wow, there's a lot of shit here. I usually only use it to check playlist of dead shows. The jerry site has an odd list, great to find "a" show, but a full list that's useable I've yet to figure out.

thanks, as bogart says, you're a good man sister.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 09:30

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H2H starts strong and keeps building and buil....

the tape cuts.

D'oh!

Another tape cut that annoys greatly is 4 7 71

a nice jam starts out and then cuts. Grr....

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 09:35

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Last night channel surfing brought up the Dick van dyke show

Rob and Laura are in respective twin beds watching tv

She's eating a banana
He's eating an apple

Is that significant?

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 10:24

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I got out of bed ,(pulled a comb across my head) , saw a bald eagle near home. Listened to some of Dave’s Picks 30.
For an old fart it was a good day.

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Submitted by campaignshoutin on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 10:53

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Has anyone spent time with the "Listen to the Music Play" digital book of setlists and other stats? Available (choose your own price) at https://www.gratefuldeadbook.com/. I have it, but haven't spent time with it, curious what other folks think.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 11:34

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Worth a listen (or more)

A Relix article years ago dubbed April 71 "Acid Month" as the GD played NYC eight times

"Vann in Ahpril with the Grateful Dead sooteh"

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Submitted by Kate_C. on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 13:26

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It doesn't appear there's an entirely dependable or convenient digital option for your needs. Setlist.fm provides an easy-to-read chronological listing for the various JG solo incarnations by independent search (i.e., JGBand (all lineups at once), L&M, Recon, JG&Wales, etc.), but - after watching a utube tutorial on how to open a book - I found Setlist wanting for completeness when compared with GarciaBase and the attendant updates printed in DeadBase 50. Good luck!

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 14:29

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Billy the kid...great choice of shows you would like to have attended - the first 3 you mention are 3 of my favourite shows, too. I would substitute 5/15/70, though, with the complete run, all 4 shows, that the band played in London at the Lyceum in May 1972. Just the venue, the music, the city-the whole enchilada. If I did go back, though, I would want to be the age I am now, 62, rather than the age I would have been in 1972, 15.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 15:57

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Do you remember how cool it was the first time you heard the start of set II with Wavy Gravy intro with the Dead tuning up in the back ground and just going into China Cat!!!! So got me into the Dead way back in mid-80's...... Keith Fan thanks for recommendation on Smokestack Lightning... Also gave 4/12/71 Pittsburgh a listen.... What a month April 71 was, Lusk Field House, Princeton, Manhattan Center.... Boston... Fillmore East run.... bob t

ah yes, I do remember. It was one of the first if not the first '73 tape I was able to get.

My copy did not have much distortion and was a decent sounding board but it was a little slow (off pitch).. so it had this funky, loping (incorrect) rhythm to it and I loved it anyway. I don't believe I had the whole show initially, perhaps just the second set or just 90 minutes worth, I can't remember. All those new songs, perhaps the most new material ever played in a single night? I didn't hear a copy that was pitch corrected until Archive.Org got up and running years later. What a revelation that was.. like, oh.... aahhh.

As for all the recent talk of '71, the good Doctor's ears must be burning.

Kate, a ghost from the past, good to see you and Happy New Year.

Keithfan, I assume your New Years resolution is to stop posting while commuting? :D

So all is well albeit a little global calamity. Let's hope we can put that genie back in the lamp. Fingers crossed.

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Submitted by alvarhanso on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 16:26

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Wow. Forgot about the Sugar Magnolia Jam between the Feelin' Groovy Jam and Soulful Strut Jam. Great 30 min DS, and was enjoying the St Stephen when I arrived from work. The jam was good, the return was a little shaky, but if I recall, The Eleven is pretty smoking. Think 30 has to be Pick of the year. Sucks it took so long to receive it, but it finally happened. Had a burned copy prior, and ripped it to retrack it. May listen to more of it tonight, have some photo/computer work to do, and it shall be great background music at a high volume. Have a grate weekend! Seeing Star Wars tomorrow, hoping it's better to me than the reviewers.

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Fri, 01/03/2020 - 16:52

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Does anyone else remember a scrolling list of show dates and locations from the original DaP series announcement. 32was definitely 100% on that list. I'm wondering what else was on it and released so far. Y'all remember that, it was 8 years ago and most of us uhh probably have pretty shot memories, maybe there are screen shots somewhere?

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