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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

    GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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  • icecrmcnkd
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    Just read Mr Heartbreaks’s review

    We must be listening to different shows because I didn’t detect any of the negativity that he seemed to find.
    Probably because I went into this with an open mind and open ears. Wasn’t trying to compare it to other 73 releases, and I don’t pay attention to what is written on heady version.
    We’ll have to wait for Vguy to give his verdict on Cumberland since he’s a big fan of that song.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Thanks Jim

    I was standing in my driveway yesterday when the USPS truck pulled up and the guy handed me a DaP 32. I told him that tracking said delivery on 11/5. He said that it did in fact arrive on 11/5 but he thought that I should have a weekend to enjoy it so he borrowed Jim’s John Deere and brought it to me on 11/2.
    So, thanks Jim.

    Made it through the whole thing yesterday and didn’t notice any skips or defects.
    Listened to CD3 again last night once I was nicely marinated and holy smokes!! Smokin’ playing there and sound quality is amazing. The Jam has bits and pieces of just about everything you would expect from that era and then the quick Dark Star proper and a smooth slide right into Sing Me Back Home.
    Pretty sure I listened to CD3 at least twice, but that’s where it gets a little fuzzy......
    .......woke up at 11 am today, took the dog out, started making coffee, then realized that it was only 10 am.
    Crap, forgot about the time change, could have slept in longer. Oh well, coffee is already brewing (super dark roast Columbian that I roasted myself - another thanks to Jim for convincing me to buy a roaster a few years ago) Might As Well take advantage of this extra hour and get started on a second listen to DaP 32.

    Yes, an excellent choice Dave. Mighty fine mastering Norman.
    Quality playing (currently on Row Jimmy) and excellent sound. Lots of Phil, had the house rattling yesterday. Drums seem at an appropriate level, no excessive kick drum like in 74.

    Oh yeah, just remembered that last night after a Donna wail I concluded that I would take any Donna wail/scream over Wave To The Wind any day.

    Credits:
    Recorded by Rex and Kidd.
    10” tapes provided through the assistance of ABCD Enterprises.

    Thanks again ABCD!!

    Here’s the story on ABCD for anyone who doesn’t know.

    http://www.legalnews.com/detroit/1457673

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    First Set So Far

    Got mine yesterday even though the tracking info said end of day Monday. Pleased to get it on the weekend, but like many of my fellow adult Deadheads, not enough free time to listen to it all yet.
    First impressions from giving it a test drive while running errands around town:
    Bertha - Fair to middling opener with funny blown "cue" by Jerry; average version.
    Beat It On Down The Line - Oof. This is rough. The off-key Donna vocals are in full force. Hoping for better from Bobby on later tracks.
    Don't Ease Me In - God, I love this song. Not a great version, but so nice to hear a young Jerry singing this.
    The Race Is On - Pretty solid '73 version, nothing remarkable.
    Cumberland Blues - Surprised to read so many positive comments about this version; didn't make an impression.
    Box Of Rain - Quote from headyversion.com: "Seriously, this is awful. The only listenable versions are Sep 17 1970, and the two "breakout" versions in March 1986 (20 and 24)." Sounds about right.
    Row Jimmy - Okay version. Doesn't have the shimmering quality of some of the Winterland '73 performances, but pretty good. Donna damages it, of course.
    Jack Straw - Quality drop-off from the '72 versions, but not bad. Unremarkable.
    They Love Each Other - First big highlight of the show. I love the bouncy versions of TLEO, and anything slower than the studio version on Reflections sounds like a dirge to me. This is a pretty great one with no notable fuckups.
    Mexicali Blues - Better than the other Bobby performances so far; good version.
    Tennessee Jed - Decent but, again, unremarkable.
    Looks Like Rain - Jerry seems to have found a way to replace the lap steel from Europe '72 with a weepy guitar sound; unfortunately, this version is marred by Bob's vocals ranging from too quiet to too loud, and I had to adjust my volume up and down multiple times; background vocals predictably off-key.
    Wave That Flag - Another pretty good version, as this develops toward becoming U.S. Blues.
    El Paso - Okay version to end disc 1 on a bit of a thud (unless you're a HUGE El Paso fanatic); overall impression of this first disc: I might pop it in to hear the TLEO again some time, but that's about it.
    CD 2
    Here Comes Sunshine - Really nice, tight version; under 9 minutes, so it leaves me wanting more; some of the guitar work toward the end sounds distorted, but I can't tell if that's Jerry or the tape.
    Me and Bobby McGee - Second surprise highlight after TLEO. A very solid version (although the drums at the beginning are surprisingly weak and plodding...weird); Jerry's bg vocals are priceless, and make me wish for more bg vocals from him and less from Phil and Donna.
    Loser - Man, who doesn't love Loser? A very solid version. Jumped over to headyversion to look for comments on it, and there are none! Someone who posts there should give this bad boy a vote.
    Playing In The Band - This is where my listening had to end. What I've heard so far sounds pretty good, but only made it a few minutes in before I had to bail.
    Looking forward to the rest, but hoping for fewer (or lower-in-the-mix) Donna & Phil harmonies. The high ratings for Sing Me Back Home lead me to believe she may have actually hit a few on-key notes during the course of the show.
    Will try to post more later in the week when I get a chance.

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    Well that's encouraging news. Thanks KCJ.

    I think the next show (3/26, Baltimore) flows nicely after listening to this one. If it were me, I would release them back to back (or at the same time somehow). Fond memories of these two, so glad half the duo finally got the Full Norman.

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    First two discs heard

    #3 sometime today

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    DEADVIKES / DOWNLOAD SERIES

    I have the Download Series but no 10 sec. gap during any songs on any of the releases - anyone else have/don't have gaps with the Download Series? I'm using a MacBook Pro and just the usual time between songs with audience noise/clapping.

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    Finished this one up in the wee hours of the morning and man is it good. Sound quality is pristine. There are so many great shows in this series now that it gets tough to rank them, but this one jumps immediately into my top 5!

    Highlights for me:

    Disc One:
    Cumberland
    Box of Rain
    Row Jimmy
    Wave that Flag (fun to see the early workings & development of this one)
    Disc 2:
    Here Comes Sunshine
    Me & Bobby McGee
    China Rider
    Stella Blue
    Disc 3:
    The whole damn thing fucking smokes.....gonna have to put it on again right now!!!

    Enjoy this one dead peoples.....it really is something special...we are a super lucky group of robots!

    Happy Sunday Funday!!!

    KCJ

    Oh and for those interested, here are the timing sequences for the songs on Disc 3:

    He's Gone> (13:52)
    Truckin> (10:04)
    Jam> (22:30)
    Dark Star> (4:10)
    Sing Me Back Home (10:03)......(I really love this version)
    Sugar Mags (9:43)
    JBG (3:55)

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    Also well played!!!

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    rockin skip

    Hey Wilfred, pm your email and I'll send you track 8.

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    Got those U.S. (postal) Blues

    ....notice would say Monday, so I’d stroll on down to the ole PO, and usually on Saturday there’d be a key in our box for one of those package boxes, and there it’d be, a new Dave’s or whatnot, in all its glory......last several releases, the torturous bastards haven’t been doing that, just the slip in the box, which one of us now has to try and get down there during their banker hours (when we’re supposed to be at work), and then stand in line for usually between 10-20 minutes and wait. Plus instead of having alllll day today to enjoy, I already know I’m not going to have enough time to sit down and actually LISTEN to the whole thing until next weekend, uugghh!.....really like to do that at least the first time, ahem, sorry, I’m whining like a little beeaatch, and yes I’m am jealous of all y’all that have or are going to wallow in the Golden yummy splendor of this magnificent gift from yee ole GD Gods!! Fuggin 73 Mates!, 73! Well, cheers to all you lucky Chil-rens that got yours, Enjoy!

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

GET IT WHILE YOU CAN

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Tres bien

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Uhhhh......

You want your team to win
And you watch them suck
And you wonder how Aaron Rodgers can be so good
Year after year after year

And then your team gets called for pass interference

And offside

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Jim, funny you mention only giving the GSTL box a single listen. I had only given it a couple of cursory listens when I first got it, probably a few more listens to the 5/9/77 Buffalo show for the Help-Slip-Franklins over time. Recently I couldn't decide what to listen to and figured I'd run through the GSTL box again from start to finish. This time through it really hit the spot, clicked for me on a whole different level than my prior listens. Anything May '77 hits the spot, but this time through GSTL it was just about perfect. All depends on your mood at the time I guess. I'd be curious what you think on a second listen now that the hype has worn off.

On the same page as Deadvikes with anticipation for the upcoming DaP33 and DaP 34, particularly the '74 show on 34. Have to agree that DaP 13 is possibly the best '74 release so far, everything about that release from sound quality to show quality was spot on. DaP 9 is also a good '74 release, but it just doesn't quite hit the same level as DaP 13. Maybe I just prefer that cool, jazzy Dark Star on DaP 13 to the more chaotic Dark Star on DaP 9.

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Signals
Presto
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Roll The Bones
Focused on Peart on all five. He was really, really good. Duh.
Come to think of it, I haven't listened to the GOGD since new years eve. That's a record I think.

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I decided to go through Daves Picks from the first one, in order, today. (not playing them all today, I hasten to add).Which naturally means that 5/25/77 gets a rare outing. I am impressed, I have to say. 1977 isn't a favourite year for me these days. There seemed to be a massive change in feel to me from the pre to the post retirement years...all the elements remained, except the most elusive - the magic.

But I digress-this 5/25/77 starts off beautifully with Mississippi and flows as smoothly as silk from thereon in. I'm still only in the first set, but everything is in place and locked together straight away. A nice aperitif for 10/29/77, too. Like my memory of other 1977 shows, it skims along very nicely on the surface, but I would be very surprised if it drops down into the subterranean depths visited in the years up to 1974.

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I'm curious to see what Lemieux et all have selected to fill out the third disc for Dave's 33.
Both of the shows already released from this tour had a full disc's worth of filler material (Dick's 34: Rochester and Dave's 12: Hamilton)
The night following DeKalb, 10/30/77 has a very nice second set that features no repeats. I gave the whole show a listen over the weekend and that second set would make a very fine addition to the DeKalb show.

Ha..

..agree, I older I get the more willing I am to be dragged down into strange subterranean depths.

As for Dave's 33 filler.. it seems they have been less willing to add filler in some of the newer releases. It's been a while since Colgate was released. Good question, time will tell but I am not sure this is a given.

Forgot to mention..

Was watching Larry David on The Late Show last week and clear as day the late night band was playing Althea as the welcome music to introduce the guest.

Pretty cool.. sort of an obscure studio reference coming from the mainstream. I'm not a GD studio aficionado, but Althea worked pretty well in the studio (and later live).

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...for something completely different. I decided to spin 4/27/71, in honor of Doc and his unadulterated support of '71 shows. This show is known for the Beach Boys coming on during the second set, but even if you want to skip that silliness, there are highlights aplenty. Set1-Loser, a GREAT Hard To Handle, China/Rider, & Casey Jones all back to back.
also, a nice early Bird Song, followed by Playing & Dire Wolf. Second set ends with Sing Me Back Home, Uncle John's Band, and a VERY nice Lovelight (although the end is clipped). Well worth a listen, if you want to mix things up!!

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There's a lot of embedded wisdom within Dead songs. Perhaps none tops this:

I told Althea
I'm a roving sign
That I was born to be a bachelor
Althea told me
Okay, thats fine
So now I'm trying to catch her

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...thank you for the feedback on Daves Picks #2. I have this pick along with a copy of a copy of the Bonus Disc from a grateful friend on the message board, it is a greatful Bonus Disc to say the least, I’m it’s great all around. The audio is as primo one can hope for from the magigical fingertips of Of Norman and the whole team & the song selection that comes along with it!💀🌹💀🌹 I posted this show before the 2020 Release announcement of their future pick from 74’.... I’m pretty sure I have second copy in primo shape but minus the Bonus Disc. Pm me if anyone is interested in a copy., drop me a pm. Peace be with you! 🙏❤️😎💀🌹💀🌹
*** it took me a few listens completely straight thru for myself get all the primo grateful love contained in this Daves Pick #2 ,pretty early The the series. Oh I can’t wsit for this next 74 ‘ Pick 🙏❤️

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What a great show that is! I wish they would release that whole Fillmore East run as a box set. I know that some of that material has been released, but I think most folks would love a box set of that whole run. Or maybe a Fillmore East/Fillmore West box could be put together.

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... hello old friend, I smiled when I read you are on the journey of listen to the Daves seisris in order. I myself am doing the same , lol too funny! 🙏❤️😎💀🌹💀🌹

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I always hear Althea as

I told Althea I'm a roving sire
I was born to be a bachelor
Althea told me ok that's fine
so now I'm tryin' to catch ya

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8/5/71

heard disc one this morning
got through Truckin' on the way to work and part of Loser

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I would take ANY Fillmore box, and just in case Dave is looking in here, I would pre-order that box in about 1/1000 of a second!! C'mon Dave, you know you want to!!

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"Roving sire" makes a lot more sense, actually. I got "roving sign" from some lyrics website. I'm never sure what that word is when listening.

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LMG...my PLAN is to listen to the Daves Picks in sequence, but I am as hopeless following a pre determined plan listening to the Dead as I am following plans with more serious matters in life. If there are any.
The temptation now is to listen to another May 1977 show rather than Daves Picks 2...and if I get as far as number 2, the chances of getting to number 3 before exploring more 1974 are virtually nil. Its a win win situation.

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Daves Picks 2020 Series ...
...anyone else in the mood for another 80’s ‘Matrix’ Release/mix for a 2020 Daves Picks Performance?! 🙏❤️💀🌹💀🌹

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Stumbling around still on the archive/ the brass lantern shows and found a show from a group called "codename", might not be around anymore. This recording is incredible. Worth a few minutes at least.

On the funny, but should have been expected side. When ever they released the picture disc/limited edition/50th anniversary grateful dead album. I saw talk about it and couldn't remember if I bought or not. Looked high and straight, no go. Ordered another where it not sits. For reasons too numerous to say, I needed to enter "THE CLOSET", you know the one. Emptied out a ton of crap and re-aligned. Low and while high, there was the first copy still in the original cardboard sleeve. A quick chuckle and then the flash, maybe it's gone up a ton in value! Type, type, type,,, no seems to be selling for less than I paid!

Only question left,,, is it better to stumble, shamble or meander around the archive?

Really cool you were at the April Fool's shows Jim. Would love to hear more about that. Great shows!

I was at Alpine as well that year, maybe we crossed paths? The drought summer, that was a crazy June.
We went to the show at the old Met Center in Bloomington MN on June 17 and then headed down to East Troy WI. My third year at Alpine. We rented a RV, with a toilet, which was really nice for Alpine. Don't ask how, because we were just 17. I remember tons of people coming to us looking for water. So hot. I don't know how we made it. We would drive into Lake Geneva during the day. And of course the music, to my memory was unreal. Always love these shows and I look forward them coming out someday.

Well.. I somehow confused or conflated the 4/1/88, Meadowlands Road Trips show (which I did not attend) with 3/27/88 Hampton Download Series #5 (which I did attend). Hampton was a little closer and certainly cheaper and less a hassle for me to get to back then. With few exceptions, until GPS came to be I used to avoid or evade driving in and out of NYC. These days it doesn't seem to be such a big deal.

In my twisted mind I had the jester/clown artwork attached to the show where they did So What, a great Dylan inspired first set and that mighty fine second set opener of Sugar Mag>Scarlet>Fire>Estimated>Eyes.

I do like the Road Trips they released.. but I admit it has been some time since I listened to it.

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Wow!!!! Always love the Frost shows from 10/9 and 10/10/82 especially the Throwing Stones>Touch of Grey. This is Althea>Let it Grow end of first set and Touch of Grey>Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance from start of second... the sound quality seems very good... Not my bailiwick year either, just caught my attention!!! Thanks Dave... bob t

Also I was at the 9/13/87 Capital Center show the third show of the week on Tapers Section, which people tend to favor the shows we attended, and New Haven blows it away!! giggity...

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on the bus

summer 90 box set

my best friends sisters boyfriends brothers girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid whos going with the girl who etc

We got 2-27-77 as filler because that was all that existed in the vault, and it fit on CD3.

I had 10-30-77 on cassette and played it a lot. Would prefer that it not be chopped up to be used as filler.
Since it fits on 2 CD-R’s, it should be combined with another 2 CD show for a 4-disc DaP. Or be included in a forthcoming Box.
Or, better yet, be the bonus show you get when you pre-order the Winterland December 77 Box (hint, hint Dave).

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Never could read shit, just slips away when I try...

Re: DaP filler 10-28-77 has some nice moments including an inspired reading of Candyman (right near the holiday of Halloween). From what I can remember, the end of that show is cut on the master tapes, too.

..but I'm not worried. I am using Friday's paycheck to get the subscription. Always a safe bet.

Where did that link go for the subscription anyway? Did they announce it already??

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How About ...
...how about a performance from 83’
So, I've I just realized the fall east coast tour of 83 10/8/83-10/22/83 doesn't have a single show I don't just love!!Love 83-85 but a whole tour that keeps me happy is unheard of for me! Funny how they don't release much of 83-85 compared to other years. Oh, also love a LOT of 1984. 🙏❤️😎🌹💀🌹💀🌹

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....i went and got a new tattoo. Showed the wife.

Her: Oh, cool! It's.. uh?

Me: (proudly) It's my thermos! From work!

Her: (reaching towards me) Well, uh, the line work is certainly..

Me: (slaps hand away) Don't touch the thermos tat.
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Simply beautiful.

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I'm picking out a thermos for you. No ordinary thermos for you.

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One of my all time fave misheard lines...

" I had a hard on, running from your window"

Vguy, you had the bad guy from the Marvel movies tattoo on you. Full size back tat?

P Hill; home may be on the bus, but here comes the ice pick in the forehead.

Is it time to order Dave's already,,,, I thought that was in November,,, early this year!

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Good morning. Haven't been around much lately, just due to time constraints.

Sixtus I read the post about your dad and I'm real sorry. And in all that, I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your thinking of me when Neil Peart died. I haven't really caught up on any of the posts lately, but I did see that one.

Yeah, Neil was the man. Last night I went Tour by tour... Wow I just said by-tor... that was a little freaky. Anyway I counted how many times I saw them, and it was 26. I first saw them on the power windows tour, and never missed a tour after that. In the days when they used to play Philly twice, used to go both nights. I peeked out on the test for Echo tour: saw them in Philly, Camden, East Rutherford, and Jones Beach. This was a pretty significant or because it was the first that day started playing two sets adding up to roughly two and a half hours, probably a little bit more. It was also the first time they played 2112 in its entirety. Watching Alex lifeson play Discovery into Presentation was worth the price of admission. I will never forget the 14 or 15 year old kid sitting next to me, got up to go to the bathroom during that part. I said where are you going. He said he was going to take a piss. I asked him if he knew what they were playing. He said no. I told him to sit back down and either piss in a cup or wait 5 minutes, because the best part of the show is coming up. He took my advice and used his cup. Hey I guess everyone has a first Rush concert. In any case that was really the first deep cut that got me into Rush. It took 10 years and 6 tours to finally hear them play it live, but it was worth it. God bless Neil, agnostic though he was.

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Was pawing through my Dead cds last night and came across 3/24/70, Pirate's World, Dania Florida. Seemingly a one set show. I must admit that 1970 is probably the year I know least about. We DO have a small handful of GREAT shows from 1970 (1/2 & 3, 1/23, 2/2, 4/15, 5/2, 10/4, & 12/31-partial from UK '70 box, and more you all will remind me of).
However, this March 24th show is very unique (to me) in that it's almost as if they tried to squeeze a 2 1/2 hour show into 83 minutes. Yes, the beginning of Dew is cut, but you get a relatively short Good Lovin', a 12 minute Dark Star into a 5 minute Other One, into St. Stephen, followed by a short Drums into Not Fade Away, into a really nice 13 minute Lovelight, with a Me & My Uncle closer. Also in the mix, you have Mama Tried, Don't Ease Me In, High Time, & Cold Rain.
The Dark Star is maybe the most unique that I've heard, mellow and almost poppy (??). I feel like to get from '69 to '71 had to be a complicated transition, and this disc proves it to me. I got the cd from Amazon UK about a year ago. If only we had a Forensic Doc for the year 1970. Anybody??

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Maybe we will get the rest of 11/2/77 Field House

Set 2:
Samson And Delilah 6:44.11
Ship Of Fools 6:27.74
Good Lovin' 6:09.59
Sunrise 3:49.04

Dave said he would get the rest of this show out some day.

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I get on and off anniversary kicks, I somehow seem to even miss the ones of the good shows I attended.. but there is one I seem to never miss, it has become one of my go to 69 shows and that's Big Rock Pow Wow. So in honor of it's birthday I am spinning it now.

What? yes.. I know, 5/23 and 5/24 but being as bad at remember birthdays and anniversaries myself, you cannot suddenly be accurate when it comes to dead shows and completely miss the mark when it comes to important dates of the people you love.. besides, it has that psychedelic springtime groove to it, and aren't we all in need of a little psychedelic springtime groove right now? In honor of Neil and Buck, He Was A Friend of Mine.

As for Thermos, interesting tat idea.. I was unfamiliar with this concept so I had to google some images and now it makes perfect sense.

https://www.thermos.com/kids/kids-food-jars.html

Speculating the Mr. Incredible thermos? :D

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+1 on 1970. I always find myself listening to 1970 a lot early in the year. For whatever reason, there are more good releases from Jan 70 than from any other Jan. The two Dave's, 1/18/70 DL series, then you've got the Busted on Bourbon Street shows, Daves 6 (2/2/70), DL series 2/4/70, peaking with 2/14 at Fillmore East. Such a great run to keep the winter blahs away.

Ima have to check out the spring 70 run a little more. Dicks 8 is great of course. We should get the special 50th editions of American Beauty and Workingman's this year also. Interested in what the live bonus discs are gonna look like.

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Too bad they didn't record all of it.

I have been pondering something for years.. and think I might have figured it out. To my ears, the acoustic stuff on 5/15/70 sounds better, by far, than any of the other 1970 acoustic stuff with the exception of Bears Choice. So my question or hypothesis is.. did they plug in the acoustic guitars or were they playing to the mics and the mics were wired to the reel to reel mix?

For Warfield/Radio City they must have had pickups on the acoustic guitars, they sound so clean and were recorded on multi-tracks. ..but most of the 1970 acoustic sets sound muddy to me.

Does anyone know the answer to this? My hypothesis is they were playing to the mics in 1970 but it's not a well informed hypothesis. For a point of reference, on the 1987 Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band run at Lute Fontaine, David Nelson's guitar was picked up by the mics, it was not wired directly to the tape mixing board.

1970 is Magical (at least the good shows :D )

..as for 80's Matrix releases, I agree Dave's Picks 8 Matrix (11/30/80 Fox Theatre) sound great and is an improvement from both the soundboard and the audience (at least to my ears). It's a win/win. I can imagine redo's of this are more problematic than one might guess. First, we need absolutely killer audience tapes (Thanks Dr. Bob.. that Wagner source is sublime) and second, there must be a willingness from all parties to do this, likely meaning the audience masters need to be donated for the cause. Then there is the remastering process. I bet it's tricky.
Fingers crossed though, #8 is great!

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The Dead just played to the mics in 1970 and in 1980 they were plugged in. I read an interview with Garcia and Weir saying how they got sounds that were not really musical while playing to the mics, maybe they were referring to feedback. I personally liked the 1970 sounding acoustic guitars more than 1980.

That's what I thought. I have to admit.. I like the clarity of the 1980 acoustic sets but I often wonder how the older stuff might have sounded if it were better recorded.

..but that's just me. Still glad they did it. 15 years before MTV Unplugged you have the Grateful Dead.

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Back in the day they only had mics, pickups were not usually used on acoustic instruments. In 1980 they were and more importantly the technology had improved greatly. Even better is the use of both mics and the direct line pickups. That’s what they utilized in 1980. Also, the mics they used back then probably weren’t as high quality like they used later on....
The signal path back then was probably a passive splitter with one leg to the main mix/PA board and another to the tape system, or possibly only 1 feed to the main board with some kind of Aux mix out to tape. This is hard to do because your trying to mix 2 completely different things with just one board so the EQ is usually not good on at least one of the mixes...unless your aux is before the EQ stage. But I’m not sure they had that kind of functionality back then?
In 1980, it overall would have been the same, but most likely using an active splitter and much more processing etc.
The old stuff sounds so bad mostly because they were trying to get acoustic instruments as loud as drums and electric stuff I.e., the bass, and there is no good way to accomplish this, especially with the tech back then. Thus the mixer would often roll off certain frequencies to try and get more gain without feedback, but that’s why they often sound bad; sacrifice tone for hall volume etc..Today there are feedback suppression devices which help too.

....thats the one I went to!
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