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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • #751
    stoltzfus
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    Those who diss 9 2 83

    You are WRONG.

    Plenty hot.

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    Keithfan the wallbanger

    I was a freshman in H.S. at this time. I remember my uncle buddy had a homemade stereo and amp. With the colored lights and switches and the black and white 'the who' poster with the arrow pointing up from the big H. I also remember he had a Harvey wallbanger poster in 1974 which was the new cocktail at the time. Orange juice and Galliano. The old days.

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    This guitar only has seconds to live....

    Daverock, hats off for knowing Pete's studio guitar on Who's Next. I bought the LP in October of '83 (I can remember an astounding number of dates up through college years). I was in 6th grade at the time, and had gotten into The Who shortly after It's Hard came out the previous year. I remember being hooked on Athena from the radio, and then Christmas of '82 I went up to Buffalo, where my extended family lived. My cousin and I spent most of our days listening to music (and eventually, most of our nights drinking). Well that year we delved into my Uncle's album collection, which consisted of at least 7 crates of rock music. He put on Baba O'Riley from The Concerts for the People of Kampuchea (excellent live version in their first touring year without Moon). We just kept playing it over and over, probably 20 times that week. I think it's safe to say that's when I became a Who-Head.

    Anyway, I'm babbling at this point, but let it suffice to say I eventually bought the Who's Next Deluxe Version, and learned through the extensive liner notes the history behind Lifehouse; the abandoned Who's Next recording sessions from the Record Plant in NY (featuring Leslie West on several of tracks; AND the the Gretsch 6120 he used to record the album, which was given to him by Joe Walsh.

    Rare trivia that perhaps only one other person I could think of other than Uncle Gary might be aware of off the top of their head, and that is Kevin Brandon, who posts here periodically and is also a Who-head.

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    Marye's Wonder Woman comment....

    ....has left me scratching my head. 1984? Which is the name of the new movie?

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    Ha marye

    Took me a minute to get your Wonder Woman comment, but now I'm up to speed.

    Checking out 12/12/72. I've had the Bird Song in a 73/74 Bird Song folder awhile, but the time's come to get more of the show in. With limited time on my hands, it's always the (75% of the time) reduced audio quality of the soundboard recordings that send me into the Normanized archives. But the tracks I grabbed from this 12/12/72 show (aka Return To Winterland) sound pretty solid from an audiophile standpoint.

    Me and Bobby McGee - exceptionally good I would venture to say.

    Tennessee Jed - this song has been steadily growing on me for 5 years. 1972-73 is real nice. It's the instrumental jam about 4 or minutes in

    Playing In The Band - as good as the Europe 72 versions are, they get longer as the year goes on, and they good longer in a rocked out jammin kind of way, as opposed to a spaced-out jazzy kind of way (which believe you me has its place in Dead Greatness).

    Even Around and Around sounds great.

    That's as far as I've gotten.....Keith is raging loud. I wonder if Betty recorded this. They're really all pretty much raging loud.

    I'm sure none of this 12/12/72 business isn't news to a lot of you, but it's melting my face at the moment so I thought I'd pass it along.

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    It would be awesome if they made software that allowed you to make your own mix from a multi-track source, and the CDs (like Veneta) came with a second CD / DVD that contained each of the tracks. Then you just open your software program, put your DVD in your drive on your computer, and load the tracks for each song. From there a virtual soundboard would come up that allows you to start mixing. Even cooler would be if there were effects you could put on each of the tracks. I would turn up Jerry and add more distortion in a lot of spots. I would turn Keith up on most of Europe '72, I would substitute Donna's scream on Playing in the Band with Daltrey's from Won't Get Fooled Again. I would have multiple mixes for all songs. Turn up Billy for that "rock out hard" mix.

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    Keith - I agree that The Who only really found their live sound once Townsend strapped on a Gibson SG. On the original studio album of Tommy, they still sound like a pop band to me. On Live At Leeds/Hull/Isle of Wight they were well and truly rocking out, 70s style. For better or worse.

    Interestingly ( if you are a nerd like me) the SG that Pete played actually had single coil pickups - P90s. Other players who used SGs with P90s on their early albums were Robbie Krieger, Santana and, surprisingly, Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath. And he had a sound that could topple a factory.

    Also...Pete's premier studio axe in the 1970s seems to have been a Gretsch 6120, albeit one loaded with humbucking filter tron pickups. That great guitar sound on Won't Get Fooled Again?...its a Gretsch Chet Atkins Country Gentleman by all accounts.

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    has left the building. Moving right along...
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    I am on the same wavelength as LedDed as far as Jerry and the Alligator Nash Strat (the Fender Strat has that smoothness about it that suited Jerry's style so well). Somebody on this site recently said that they couldn't think of anyone who made a Stratocaster sound as good as Jerry did (it may have even been LedDef). That comment stuck with me.

    But I also love the pure power and volume of the the SG that Daverock talks about. I think it's a toss up between Pete Townshend and Angus Young on who put that sound to greatest effect, as far as overall career impact. Townshend built an empire on it that far outlived his personal use of the guitar; you've only to listen to Live at Leeds or Isle of Wight '70 to appreciate what the SG did for The Who in '69 / '70. It's the guitar that gave Tommy a set of balls. It played a very similar role in the Dead's evolution as a band, and IMHO may have been the most impactfing facet of the Live Dead sound and success (along with the record's engineering distinction as the first live 16 track recording - this brought out an incredible "harmonic" that was spearheaded by the SG).

    But for me, the real magic would be taking somebody with the artistic virtuoso talent that might be very well suited for that smooth polished sound of the Fender Strat, and placing the Gibson SG in his hands. Imagine that. If only such a player existied. A slick player who is both fast and gentle, picking through the glowing hot interlacings of those sharp SG strings and unforgiving pickups. Whew. And then if he could glide seamlessly from lead to rhythm at need (whatever it took to serve the song). But alas, no such man exists.
    Just a fantasy band, so I may as well take a step further and pair this divinely talented wielder of the SG with a tight riff-master who could lay simple but tasty groundwork for our lead player to weave his way over, under, and alongside . Then you'd have the makings for something extraordinary and unparalleled. But this kind of talent.... simply...... doesn't...... wait.....he does exist! And his name is Reggie Hammond. No wait, that's a movie. His name is Mick Taylor.

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    Great guitars

    I would say I prefer single coil guitars to humbuckers generally-although my tastes are more inclined towards telecasters than strats. I could list dozens of players, but mention of the great Otis Redding puts me in mind of Steve Cropper of the MGs, and all the great records he played on with Otis, and at Stax generally during the 60s.

    For pure sound + eye candy a large bodied Gretsch is hard to beat-especially a 6120 or a White Falcon. I'm lucky enough to have a 6120 with a single coil dynasonic at the bridge and a P90 at the neck, a la Eddie Cochran. I'm no great shakes on the guitar...but you wouldn't believe the sound this thing makes. You can get slapback echo even before you plug it in.

    With Jerrys SG I just liked the sound of the single string solos he did with it. You could perform open heart surgery with that tone.

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    ... Everyone that reads this message should go immediately to the nearest way they can listen to Otis Redding. I promise you will be happier after than you were before. G'damn MG's!

    Peace

    - Otis? I think he was only 26 when he passed... plane crash. Tell me he doesn't sing like a man that knows about it all. Kinda like Jerry.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 16:19

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Tres bien

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 16:20

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Uhhhh......

You want your team to win
And you watch them suck
And you wonder how Aaron Rodgers can be so good
Year after year after year

And then your team gets called for pass interference

And offside

Icky

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 16:49

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Jim, funny you mention only giving the GSTL box a single listen. I had only given it a couple of cursory listens when I first got it, probably a few more listens to the 5/9/77 Buffalo show for the Help-Slip-Franklins over time. Recently I couldn't decide what to listen to and figured I'd run through the GSTL box again from start to finish. This time through it really hit the spot, clicked for me on a whole different level than my prior listens. Anything May '77 hits the spot, but this time through GSTL it was just about perfect. All depends on your mood at the time I guess. I'd be curious what you think on a second listen now that the hype has worn off.

On the same page as Deadvikes with anticipation for the upcoming DaP33 and DaP 34, particularly the '74 show on 34. Have to agree that DaP 13 is possibly the best '74 release so far, everything about that release from sound quality to show quality was spot on. DaP 9 is also a good '74 release, but it just doesn't quite hit the same level as DaP 13. Maybe I just prefer that cool, jazzy Dark Star on DaP 13 to the more chaotic Dark Star on DaP 9.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 01/12/2020 - 18:14

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Presto
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Roll The Bones
Focused on Peart on all five. He was really, really good. Duh.
Come to think of it, I haven't listened to the GOGD since new years eve. That's a record I think.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 02:02

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I decided to go through Daves Picks from the first one, in order, today. (not playing them all today, I hasten to add).Which naturally means that 5/25/77 gets a rare outing. I am impressed, I have to say. 1977 isn't a favourite year for me these days. There seemed to be a massive change in feel to me from the pre to the post retirement years...all the elements remained, except the most elusive - the magic.

But I digress-this 5/25/77 starts off beautifully with Mississippi and flows as smoothly as silk from thereon in. I'm still only in the first set, but everything is in place and locked together straight away. A nice aperitif for 10/29/77, too. Like my memory of other 1977 shows, it skims along very nicely on the surface, but I would be very surprised if it drops down into the subterranean depths visited in the years up to 1974.

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Submitted by Zomby Woof on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 06:29

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I'm curious to see what Lemieux et all have selected to fill out the third disc for Dave's 33.
Both of the shows already released from this tour had a full disc's worth of filler material (Dick's 34: Rochester and Dave's 12: Hamilton)
The night following DeKalb, 10/30/77 has a very nice second set that features no repeats. I gave the whole show a listen over the weekend and that second set would make a very fine addition to the DeKalb show.

Ha..

..agree, I older I get the more willing I am to be dragged down into strange subterranean depths.

As for Dave's 33 filler.. it seems they have been less willing to add filler in some of the newer releases. It's been a while since Colgate was released. Good question, time will tell but I am not sure this is a given.

Forgot to mention..

Was watching Larry David on The Late Show last week and clear as day the late night band was playing Althea as the welcome music to introduce the guest.

Pretty cool.. sort of an obscure studio reference coming from the mainstream. I'm not a GD studio aficionado, but Althea worked pretty well in the studio (and later live).

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 10:04

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...for something completely different. I decided to spin 4/27/71, in honor of Doc and his unadulterated support of '71 shows. This show is known for the Beach Boys coming on during the second set, but even if you want to skip that silliness, there are highlights aplenty. Set1-Loser, a GREAT Hard To Handle, China/Rider, & Casey Jones all back to back.
also, a nice early Bird Song, followed by Playing & Dire Wolf. Second set ends with Sing Me Back Home, Uncle John's Band, and a VERY nice Lovelight (although the end is clipped). Well worth a listen, if you want to mix things up!!

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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 10:08

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There's a lot of embedded wisdom within Dead songs. Perhaps none tops this:

I told Althea
I'm a roving sign
That I was born to be a bachelor
Althea told me
Okay, thats fine
So now I'm trying to catch her

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 10:27

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...thank you for the feedback on Daves Picks #2. I have this pick along with a copy of a copy of the Bonus Disc from a grateful friend on the message board, it is a greatful Bonus Disc to say the least, I’m it’s great all around. The audio is as primo one can hope for from the magigical fingertips of Of Norman and the whole team & the song selection that comes along with it!💀🌹💀🌹 I posted this show before the 2020 Release announcement of their future pick from 74’.... I’m pretty sure I have second copy in primo shape but minus the Bonus Disc. Pm me if anyone is interested in a copy., drop me a pm. Peace be with you! 🙏❤️😎💀🌹💀🌹
*** it took me a few listens completely straight thru for myself get all the primo grateful love contained in this Daves Pick #2 ,pretty early The the series. Oh I can’t wsit for this next 74 ‘ Pick 🙏❤️

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 10:35

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What a great show that is! I wish they would release that whole Fillmore East run as a box set. I know that some of that material has been released, but I think most folks would love a box set of that whole run. Or maybe a Fillmore East/Fillmore West box could be put together.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 10:52

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... hello old friend, I smiled when I read you are on the journey of listen to the Daves seisris in order. I myself am doing the same , lol too funny! 🙏❤️😎💀🌹💀🌹

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 12:22

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I always hear Althea as

I told Althea I'm a roving sire
I was born to be a bachelor
Althea told me ok that's fine
so now I'm tryin' to catch ya

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 12:23

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8/5/71

heard disc one this morning
got through Truckin' on the way to work and part of Loser

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 12:36

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I would take ANY Fillmore box, and just in case Dave is looking in here, I would pre-order that box in about 1/1000 of a second!! C'mon Dave, you know you want to!!

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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 14:00

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"Roving sire" makes a lot more sense, actually. I got "roving sign" from some lyrics website. I'm never sure what that word is when listening.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 14:15

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LMG...my PLAN is to listen to the Daves Picks in sequence, but I am as hopeless following a pre determined plan listening to the Dead as I am following plans with more serious matters in life. If there are any.
The temptation now is to listen to another May 1977 show rather than Daves Picks 2...and if I get as far as number 2, the chances of getting to number 3 before exploring more 1974 are virtually nil. Its a win win situation.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 14:20

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Daves Picks 2020 Series ...
...anyone else in the mood for another 80’s ‘Matrix’ Release/mix for a 2020 Daves Picks Performance?! 🙏❤️💀🌹💀🌹

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 14:25

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Stumbling around still on the archive/ the brass lantern shows and found a show from a group called "codename", might not be around anymore. This recording is incredible. Worth a few minutes at least.

On the funny, but should have been expected side. When ever they released the picture disc/limited edition/50th anniversary grateful dead album. I saw talk about it and couldn't remember if I bought or not. Looked high and straight, no go. Ordered another where it not sits. For reasons too numerous to say, I needed to enter "THE CLOSET", you know the one. Emptied out a ton of crap and re-aligned. Low and while high, there was the first copy still in the original cardboard sleeve. A quick chuckle and then the flash, maybe it's gone up a ton in value! Type, type, type,,, no seems to be selling for less than I paid!

Only question left,,, is it better to stumble, shamble or meander around the archive?

Really cool you were at the April Fool's shows Jim. Would love to hear more about that. Great shows!

I was at Alpine as well that year, maybe we crossed paths? The drought summer, that was a crazy June.
We went to the show at the old Met Center in Bloomington MN on June 17 and then headed down to East Troy WI. My third year at Alpine. We rented a RV, with a toilet, which was really nice for Alpine. Don't ask how, because we were just 17. I remember tons of people coming to us looking for water. So hot. I don't know how we made it. We would drive into Lake Geneva during the day. And of course the music, to my memory was unreal. Always love these shows and I look forward them coming out someday.

Well.. I somehow confused or conflated the 4/1/88, Meadowlands Road Trips show (which I did not attend) with 3/27/88 Hampton Download Series #5 (which I did attend). Hampton was a little closer and certainly cheaper and less a hassle for me to get to back then. With few exceptions, until GPS came to be I used to avoid or evade driving in and out of NYC. These days it doesn't seem to be such a big deal.

In my twisted mind I had the jester/clown artwork attached to the show where they did So What, a great Dylan inspired first set and that mighty fine second set opener of Sugar Mag>Scarlet>Fire>Estimated>Eyes.

I do like the Road Trips they released.. but I admit it has been some time since I listened to it.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 15:08

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Wow!!!! Always love the Frost shows from 10/9 and 10/10/82 especially the Throwing Stones>Touch of Grey. This is Althea>Let it Grow end of first set and Touch of Grey>Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance from start of second... the sound quality seems very good... Not my bailiwick year either, just caught my attention!!! Thanks Dave... bob t

Also I was at the 9/13/87 Capital Center show the third show of the week on Tapers Section, which people tend to favor the shows we attended, and New Haven blows it away!! giggity...

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Submitted by P Hill on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 15:45

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on the bus

summer 90 box set

my best friends sisters boyfriends brothers girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid whos going with the girl who etc

We got 2-27-77 as filler because that was all that existed in the vault, and it fit on CD3.

I had 10-30-77 on cassette and played it a lot. Would prefer that it not be chopped up to be used as filler.
Since it fits on 2 CD-R’s, it should be combined with another 2 CD show for a 4-disc DaP. Or be included in a forthcoming Box.
Or, better yet, be the bonus show you get when you pre-order the Winterland December 77 Box (hint, hint Dave).

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 16:53

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Never could read shit, just slips away when I try...

Re: DaP filler 10-28-77 has some nice moments including an inspired reading of Candyman (right near the holiday of Halloween). From what I can remember, the end of that show is cut on the master tapes, too.

..but I'm not worried. I am using Friday's paycheck to get the subscription. Always a safe bet.

Where did that link go for the subscription anyway? Did they announce it already??

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 19:58

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How About ...
...how about a performance from 83’
So, I've I just realized the fall east coast tour of 83 10/8/83-10/22/83 doesn't have a single show I don't just love!!Love 83-85 but a whole tour that keeps me happy is unheard of for me! Funny how they don't release much of 83-85 compared to other years. Oh, also love a LOT of 1984. 🙏❤️😎🌹💀🌹💀🌹

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 01/13/2020 - 22:31

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....i went and got a new tattoo. Showed the wife.

Her: Oh, cool! It's.. uh?

Me: (proudly) It's my thermos! From work!

Her: (reaching towards me) Well, uh, the line work is certainly..

Me: (slaps hand away) Don't touch the thermos tat.
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Simply beautiful.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 03:33

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Submitted by carlo13 on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 03:34

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I'm picking out a thermos for you. No ordinary thermos for you.

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 05:43

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One of my all time fave misheard lines...

" I had a hard on, running from your window"

Vguy, you had the bad guy from the Marvel movies tattoo on you. Full size back tat?

P Hill; home may be on the bus, but here comes the ice pick in the forehead.

Is it time to order Dave's already,,,, I thought that was in November,,, early this year!

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 05:44

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Good morning. Haven't been around much lately, just due to time constraints.

Sixtus I read the post about your dad and I'm real sorry. And in all that, I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your thinking of me when Neil Peart died. I haven't really caught up on any of the posts lately, but I did see that one.

Yeah, Neil was the man. Last night I went Tour by tour... Wow I just said by-tor... that was a little freaky. Anyway I counted how many times I saw them, and it was 26. I first saw them on the power windows tour, and never missed a tour after that. In the days when they used to play Philly twice, used to go both nights. I peeked out on the test for Echo tour: saw them in Philly, Camden, East Rutherford, and Jones Beach. This was a pretty significant or because it was the first that day started playing two sets adding up to roughly two and a half hours, probably a little bit more. It was also the first time they played 2112 in its entirety. Watching Alex lifeson play Discovery into Presentation was worth the price of admission. I will never forget the 14 or 15 year old kid sitting next to me, got up to go to the bathroom during that part. I said where are you going. He said he was going to take a piss. I asked him if he knew what they were playing. He said no. I told him to sit back down and either piss in a cup or wait 5 minutes, because the best part of the show is coming up. He took my advice and used his cup. Hey I guess everyone has a first Rush concert. In any case that was really the first deep cut that got me into Rush. It took 10 years and 6 tours to finally hear them play it live, but it was worth it. God bless Neil, agnostic though he was.

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 06:43

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Was pawing through my Dead cds last night and came across 3/24/70, Pirate's World, Dania Florida. Seemingly a one set show. I must admit that 1970 is probably the year I know least about. We DO have a small handful of GREAT shows from 1970 (1/2 & 3, 1/23, 2/2, 4/15, 5/2, 10/4, & 12/31-partial from UK '70 box, and more you all will remind me of).
However, this March 24th show is very unique (to me) in that it's almost as if they tried to squeeze a 2 1/2 hour show into 83 minutes. Yes, the beginning of Dew is cut, but you get a relatively short Good Lovin', a 12 minute Dark Star into a 5 minute Other One, into St. Stephen, followed by a short Drums into Not Fade Away, into a really nice 13 minute Lovelight, with a Me & My Uncle closer. Also in the mix, you have Mama Tried, Don't Ease Me In, High Time, & Cold Rain.
The Dark Star is maybe the most unique that I've heard, mellow and almost poppy (??). I feel like to get from '69 to '71 had to be a complicated transition, and this disc proves it to me. I got the cd from Amazon UK about a year ago. If only we had a Forensic Doc for the year 1970. Anybody??

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 07:05

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Maybe we will get the rest of 11/2/77 Field House

Set 2:
Samson And Delilah 6:44.11
Ship Of Fools 6:27.74
Good Lovin' 6:09.59
Sunrise 3:49.04

Dave said he would get the rest of this show out some day.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 07:51

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I get on and off anniversary kicks, I somehow seem to even miss the ones of the good shows I attended.. but there is one I seem to never miss, it has become one of my go to 69 shows and that's Big Rock Pow Wow. So in honor of it's birthday I am spinning it now.

What? yes.. I know, 5/23 and 5/24 but being as bad at remember birthdays and anniversaries myself, you cannot suddenly be accurate when it comes to dead shows and completely miss the mark when it comes to important dates of the people you love.. besides, it has that psychedelic springtime groove to it, and aren't we all in need of a little psychedelic springtime groove right now? In honor of Neil and Buck, He Was A Friend of Mine.

As for Thermos, interesting tat idea.. I was unfamiliar with this concept so I had to google some images and now it makes perfect sense.

https://www.thermos.com/kids/kids-food-jars.html

Speculating the Mr. Incredible thermos? :D

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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 10:43

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+1 on 1970. I always find myself listening to 1970 a lot early in the year. For whatever reason, there are more good releases from Jan 70 than from any other Jan. The two Dave's, 1/18/70 DL series, then you've got the Busted on Bourbon Street shows, Daves 6 (2/2/70), DL series 2/4/70, peaking with 2/14 at Fillmore East. Such a great run to keep the winter blahs away.

Ima have to check out the spring 70 run a little more. Dicks 8 is great of course. We should get the special 50th editions of American Beauty and Workingman's this year also. Interested in what the live bonus discs are gonna look like.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 10:59

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Too bad they didn't record all of it.

I have been pondering something for years.. and think I might have figured it out. To my ears, the acoustic stuff on 5/15/70 sounds better, by far, than any of the other 1970 acoustic stuff with the exception of Bears Choice. So my question or hypothesis is.. did they plug in the acoustic guitars or were they playing to the mics and the mics were wired to the reel to reel mix?

For Warfield/Radio City they must have had pickups on the acoustic guitars, they sound so clean and were recorded on multi-tracks. ..but most of the 1970 acoustic sets sound muddy to me.

Does anyone know the answer to this? My hypothesis is they were playing to the mics in 1970 but it's not a well informed hypothesis. For a point of reference, on the 1987 Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band run at Lute Fontaine, David Nelson's guitar was picked up by the mics, it was not wired directly to the tape mixing board.

1970 is Magical (at least the good shows :D )

..as for 80's Matrix releases, I agree Dave's Picks 8 Matrix (11/30/80 Fox Theatre) sound great and is an improvement from both the soundboard and the audience (at least to my ears). It's a win/win. I can imagine redo's of this are more problematic than one might guess. First, we need absolutely killer audience tapes (Thanks Dr. Bob.. that Wagner source is sublime) and second, there must be a willingness from all parties to do this, likely meaning the audience masters need to be donated for the cause. Then there is the remastering process. I bet it's tricky.
Fingers crossed though, #8 is great!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 12:14

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The Dead just played to the mics in 1970 and in 1980 they were plugged in. I read an interview with Garcia and Weir saying how they got sounds that were not really musical while playing to the mics, maybe they were referring to feedback. I personally liked the 1970 sounding acoustic guitars more than 1980.

That's what I thought. I have to admit.. I like the clarity of the 1980 acoustic sets but I often wonder how the older stuff might have sounded if it were better recorded.

..but that's just me. Still glad they did it. 15 years before MTV Unplugged you have the Grateful Dead.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 13:07

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Back in the day they only had mics, pickups were not usually used on acoustic instruments. In 1980 they were and more importantly the technology had improved greatly. Even better is the use of both mics and the direct line pickups. That’s what they utilized in 1980. Also, the mics they used back then probably weren’t as high quality like they used later on....
The signal path back then was probably a passive splitter with one leg to the main mix/PA board and another to the tape system, or possibly only 1 feed to the main board with some kind of Aux mix out to tape. This is hard to do because your trying to mix 2 completely different things with just one board so the EQ is usually not good on at least one of the mixes...unless your aux is before the EQ stage. But I’m not sure they had that kind of functionality back then?
In 1980, it overall would have been the same, but most likely using an active splitter and much more processing etc.
The old stuff sounds so bad mostly because they were trying to get acoustic instruments as loud as drums and electric stuff I.e., the bass, and there is no good way to accomplish this, especially with the tech back then. Thus the mixer would often roll off certain frequencies to try and get more gain without feedback, but that’s why they often sound bad; sacrifice tone for hall volume etc..Today there are feedback suppression devices which help too.

....thats the one I went to!
Getting back in some Dead after a self imposed sabbatical apparently. Been binging on South Park big time so forgive me.
Postcards Of The Hanging got my attention, so I answered. The only Dylan that is better than Dylan is the GOGD doing Dylan.
And if case some didn't get my dad joke the other day....Thermos Tat. As in thermostat! Don't touch the thermostat! I'm guilty of saying that quite often, but I'm a dad.
And yes. Neil Peart was Rush's primary lyricist. A lot of people don't realize that.

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