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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Rockthing - not being able to post happened to me last year for a bit. No reason why I couldn't, and no reason why I could again shortly after. So for you - just a blip, hopefully.

  • rockthing
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    Well, I can't post. I wrote some stuff and no matter what it gets flagged. No hxml and no emxeds, not mxil adxresses, can't figure it out. Anyway, happy listening to whatever your listening to. I guess I'm shadow banned.

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    Music is moonlight in the gloomy night of life......

    Rockthing, check your pm...............

    Doc
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    DeadVikes > 11/30/80: Pretty sure I have not heard that, which makes it as good a choice as any.

    I've never managed to snare any of the Dave's Picks and with inflation and ultra weak Yen the way it is, I'm less and less likely to have anything physical imported from halfway around the world.

    I'm more than happy to have a dig through the Archive now that I've got a little time on my hands, but the closest I can come in 1980 with something in my actual collection is the Alaska Summer Solstice gig, which I listen to pretty regularly. Scratch that, I just discovered a 10/19/80 Stankiewicz data set that I've never unpacked.

    I have 9/2/80 favorited for some reason, but I don't think I've actually listened to it. I mean, I've listend to Reckoning to death, but, perhaps, consequently have not sought out many of the shows from that run. Digging in to Europe 72 may change my mind on that matter.

    I think this show is super well-known, but I'm a big fan of the 8/4/74... sorry, 8/6 Roosevelt Stadium gig. I have had a partial board on cassette from some sort of trade back in the day, but I think the Neil Merin audience reel is the way to go with a big outdoor Wall of Sound gig like that. Some of the conversations are pretty hilarious, but it also does a good job of showing how well the WoS cut through with clarity. Shnid 5914 fwiw... sbefail, but who's burning CDs?!

    > RE: Family Dog At The Great Highway, August 3 1969

    Thank you for that! That IS weird. They really were on the edge of adhesion, and quite frequently breaking free. The violin and sax timbres and harmonies really add something unusual, and completely foreign to the Dead's sound, but are amazingly on. They may be more on than Mickey! lol. The rhythm section really seems to come close to falling apart on a number of occasions when it's not "supposed" to be space or drums. It sounds like they're struggling to come to terms with the return to more trad material, having not yet figured out how to leave the all-out-madness approach of the progressive repertoire out of those numbers yet. Jerry croons on as if nothing is happening. lol. Fascinating listen, and one I hope to revisit soon. I just noticed that I have it on an old HD from my torrenting days, so that's gonna hafta get Metadata ID'ed up and on the ipod soon so I can get into it in the car. The Dead are the only thing that make a brutal commute "Bear"-able. As you say, brilliantly odd performance.

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    Good to hear from you Rockthing, it has been a while.

    Any picks for today?

    If nothing surfaces, I may have to pull up Dave's #8, 11/30/1980.

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    Hey, y'all. Where has the time gone!

    I'll spare you my usual Joycean brevity today with just a couple of short remarks and a question.

    Forensicdoceleven > That sounds right up my alley!

    Oroborous > By chance, I've been listening to a lot of that Rotterdam '72 show lately too. Mega Dark Star, and just all around good stuff. Not sure why someone thought that the drum solo needed to be separated from Dark Star, though, and Dark Star split into two tracks. It sounds like Phil wants to play Bird Song toward the end, but gets denied. Then it seems like he's the one who first hints at Caution, and this time everyone agrees. Great stuff. There seem to be lots of teasing going on in various jams.

    The 50th anniversary of Europe '72 has had me digging deeper into the Euro 72 tour. I've got One More Saturday Night on the brain! For some reason the Dusseldorf 4/24/72 rendition got me more excited than usual. Really tight, high energy, without going Hy Hy Hyyyy Hysterical.

    I guess you guys mostly stream the SBDs, but does anyone who DLs AUDs have any recomendations for an ID Tag/Metadata editor?

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    Hey rockers!

    Pick Of The Day: Family Dog At The Great Highway, August 3 1969

    Do I hear a violin? A saxophone? I think what I hear is loosely organized pandemonium……………or magic…………

    If you’re a fan of deadweirdnesses, as I am, this one might be for you. The Hard To Handle opener doesn’t quite gel. On High Heeled Sneakers the band & guests channel their twisted stoner inner garage band. High Time and Mama Tried sound quasi-embyronic. The Dark Star is stand-alone, saxy, tasty, and for the time, not bad at all. What follows is a short Alligator, percussive interlude, a propulsive, saxy, violinesque Other One, and a very decent Caution (which gets very weird about half way through). The festivities are gently concluded with And We Bid You Goodnight……

    Musically, for the Grateful Dead the Summer of 1969 was uneven, to say the least. Highs, lows, and everything in between. Miller’s remaster is actually pretty listenable. Dare to indulge!

    Every weird thing about you is beautiful and makes life interesting.

    Rock on,

    Doc
    The world is a crazy, beautiful, ugly complicated place, and it keeps moving on from crisis to strangeness to beauty to weirdness to tragedy…..

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    NOD is a happy show.

    PITB -> UJB...check out 5/21/82.

    92: I had cassettes of 2/24/92 which has a good setlist, but the cassettes are elsewhere now. C'est la vie.

    6/20/92 has the great Space into CASEY JONES (HOOONK HOOONK!!!)

    which they follow up with...Throwin' Stones. sigh.

    6/28/92 is pretty good, as I recall from the cassettes.

    Someday I'll mine the 92 seam of GD

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    I enjoyed this show and was surprised how much. I probably need to listen to more 92. Sound quality of the recording is A+ to my ears. Cold Rain and Snow, Wang Dang Doodle, FOTD and Maggie's Farm were highlights of the first set. Enjoyed the second set Corrina, Crazy Fingers Playing, UJB. Vince with Baba O'Reilly.
    Thanks for the nudge to this show OB.
    Still no #43 for me, however I received a shipping notice last night from this site.

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    I always liked this release, and so you pulled me down the rabbit hole before I finished 11/7/69. First world problems.

    Funny.. to me, there's two separate Playin' > UJB > Whatever Sammy's , pre-hiatus and post-hiatus. Like fraternal twins, I do not love one more than the other, there are similarities but are very different and wonderful in their own way. The pre-hiatus shows have the trippier, unpredictable on the edge of magic drive and the post hiatus often have a harder driving, freight train powerhouse feel.

    This one starts with the famous Dark Star and weaves the entire second set into a PITB>UJB Sandwich. It is a little tighter and faster than many with some innovative midi. A really fun second set plus a tight first set (exception maybe Half Step?).

    Anyway, I remember that laser disc effort So Far where they attempted UJB>PITB>Terrapin. They went for it and to me they just never got the spicy mustard, more of a warm mayo that was left out in the sun too long.. It was recorded in I think late '85 and they just were not on the same page. There are a bunch in 89 that achieved liftoff, this one is interesting. I was reading the reviews on the Archive and one poster commented they were "a band on a mission" that night. It might not be the best of the year, but I always thought was a solid effort.

    Coincidentally, I grabbed a random waterproof ipod off the shelf for a day on the river this morning and hit play in the warmup rapids.. I never know what's on these devices, they have no screen so it's a great mystery. It picked up about halfway through the Morning Dew from 10/12/84 Augusta. After the song ended, I rewound and started the sequence over beginning with Don't Need Love>False Start PITB>Let's do UJB Instead>Drums>Space>PITB>UJB Reprise>Morning Dew. This one had the Spicy Mustard.

    That's all I got.. as you were.

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In process and it has been a while. Sound quality from my perspective is somewhat lacking. Love the Dupree's, It's all over now, good Passenger, Brown Eyed Women. Just finished Eyes, really good. Again, wish the sound quality was better.

Thanks Bolo and Mary!

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Disc one is fun (it's a mix of several shows, me remembers...CR&S is always welcome)
Disc two is sublime. Eyes, Playin' > Wheel > Playin'. I do notice some sound quality issues at times, but they are not horrific and permanent. I remember the Playin' is good as always, and then gets reeeeeeally good
Disc three is phenomenal. As I listened recently, I remember smiling at the glory of the show. Scarlet > Fire, Truckin' > The Other One > Wharf > Around

the Madison show took place about 50 miles north of where l lived at the time. but since I was in 8th grade, I had no clue or awareness of that fact.

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One of my favorites Scarlet>Fire's of all time.... Also love the Samson when after a prolong opening jam Weir does the woohoo type of shout out!! I've posted about the Scarlet>Fire before but there is a Jerry Keith chord interaction after the singing in Scarlet that for me is mind melting!!! Good first choice Bolo... One last ramble, for me this show 2/5/78 is in my mind is the last show of 77... The April tour after this has a different vibe..

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....listened to the first disc last night. Cold Rain, All Over Now, Duprees and BE Woman all top shelf renditions. Man. Iowa got all the good shows. Will start up disc two a little later.
Thats the show with the extended Samson due to Bob's mic difficulties, correct?

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A few momentous stand outs for me: The Music Never Stopped; this version easily made it onto a "best of" compilation early on and has never been supplanted. Fight me. Also, the Estimated > Eyes of so so good. Beautiful elongated Eyes intro, then just mad jamming all the way through, nice upbeat Eyes tempo. Great exploratory Estimated as well. I love the drop into Eyes here; expertly pulled off. The Scarlet > Fire is very awesome too. Long, jammy. Nothing new here, just adding my love.

Nice idea.
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The first thing I noticed is that it features two nights, but unless I am looking in the wrong place, there is no indication which nights which songs are from. I could have checked in Deadbase...but that's upstairs and as I was settled down to listen I didn't bother. It looks like one first and two second sets.

I have just played the first cd so far. Coming from Europe 72, this sounds a lot simpler rhythmically. During Spring 72, you can focus on Bill, Phil, Bob, or Keith - as well as Jerry obviously-and they are all playing with energy and imagination. Here, the focus is more just on Jerry. I like his fiery guitar sound on here, but I am not as keen on Bob's sound. Donna, on the other hand, sounds nice on Looks Like Rain. I prefer this version of Good Lovin to the ones played in 72. It sounds almost calypso-a real celebratory sound.
The cd picks up pace nicely on the last three songs, with great guitar solos from Jerry. It seems a bit more like standard "rock" in a way, compared to the swing they had with one drummer and a fully functioning Keith. I enjoyed listening to it, but I will probably leave the first of the set 2s for tomorrow.

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Not much left to say LLR crackled like a thundercloud!

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....Jerry fresh off his laryngitis. The crackling in his voice during Wharf Rat proves it. His voice was never the same, but still rocks my soul.
Trey Pistachio dropped another song. "Are You There Colleen?". With a message of getting off drugs. Methinks Colleen was his dealer back in the day. Might be wrong. Never right.
I had a dealer back in the day. Name was Chill. Called him from payphones. That was a long time ago though. Thank God.

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At the start of 1978 I'd sort of lost interest in the Dead, having last seen them in 74. 78 was my fifth year in college (yeah I know) and I was way more into jazz than rock in large part due to an awesome jazz club on campus, the Backdoor. The place just had a constant stream of major talent coming through. McCoy Tyner, Charlie Mingus, Elvin Jones, Roland Kirk etc. So in early January I see the Dead are gonna be at Golden Hall so my girlfriend and I say "What the hell?" and I get tickets for 1/07. Now in 78 the Dead were not that big of a draw and I wasn't expecting much, sort of a nostalgia trip. Wrong. They were great, just awesome. So after the show we immediately get tickets for 1/08. These were the Bobby songs only nights but that didn't matter a bit. My girlfriend (now my wife) cried during Looks Like Rain. We were back on the bus until 85 when the arrival of our first kid changed everything. Footnote to that is our last show was a week before his birth and she was major prego and treated like royalty by all you wonderful heads. So I love DP 18 and I especially like the Eugene show release. Stay home.

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Nice! I'm overdue for a listen.

RE: DP18, agree with Jim - Brown-Eyed Women is PERFECT! For that matter, so is TMNS - powerful! And then there's disc 3. If I had to rescue only one single disc from my burning house, this one would be in the running. That Scarlet/Fire is a half-hour blissfest, Truckin' is solid, TOO is insanely good. Masterful music!

On to Wichita!

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....has metal influences. Garcia tapping into his inner Iommi. My ear told me so.
Wichita this soon into the game? Bold move Cotton. Let's see how it pans out.

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Love the Dodge Ball reference!!

funny how they didn't list out what shows the songs are from. even funnier, the songs in Disc 1 are actually from 3 shows - Its All Over Now and Duprees are from 2/4/78 Milwaukee! The Wikipedia entry for DP 18 lays it out if you're interested. Deadbase IX also lists a soundcheck of Ripple x3 in Milwaukee - what the heck is that??!!

As others have noted, among many highlights a great Music Never Stopped and Eyes of the World from 2/3 - love the super long intro to Eyes, it reminds me of a post-hiatus favorite, 6/8/77. They Love Each Other is fantastic. The 2nd set from 2/5 is just wild. Such a raw sound to the Wolf! Would love to see released the Uptown shows that immediately proceed this. Worth noting how rare The Wheel was at this time - 2/3 was first time played since mid fall '77, another year until played again on 2/17/79 (Keith & Donna's last show), and then another year and a half before it finally re-entered regular rotation.

A couple technical notes - based on Dick's Caveat Emptor, 2/3 appears to have been recorded at a slower tape speed (7.5 ips vs. 15), and so the sound quality is a bit rougher. Also, IIRC, there is an unpatched gap (sad face) in the jam between verses 2 and 3 in Eyes of the World. There's a very nice audience of 2/3 on the Archive if anyone wants to hear that.

Now on to Wichita!!

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After listening to almost 4 hours of insanely wonderful music, the overriding conclusion is that, in my opinion, NO ONE can play guitar like Garcia did. At times subtle and nuanced, at other times raging, but always just exactly perfect within the context of the song they were playing. Remarkable, really. Feeling blessed to have experienced GD/JGB live so many times.

Garcia may not be the "best" guitarist (highly subjective, as most of those inane "best of" polls demonstrate), but he is the only guitarist I can listen to every day. That includes Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Gilmore and whoever else you want to throw in there.

It's grate to be a Deadhead!!

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You're a harsh taskmaster! Listening to Grateful Dead concerts will continue until morale improves.

Bluecrow - thanks for the tip. There were a couple of compilations that came out in the 1990s that featured songs from multiple shows, but didn't indicate in the sleeve notes which song came from which show. Ladies and Gentlemen from April 1971 and Dozin' at the Knick from Spring 1990 were two others.

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Agree 100% with your comments on Jerry, what a genius! The whole band was.

Just finishing up Dave's 11 now. Comments to follow.

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Dooo, just listened to that last week, for first time, so maybe we’ll sneak another round in after this 71 grease fest we’ve got going on today .....fall 72 is def fo shizzle....

EDIt: MHAMMOND12...whoa. I’m not sure what’s more impressive, seeing the laryngitis shows or all that top shelf jazz in a club setting???

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Dicks picks vol 21 , not the main show the extras , Iko iko > morning dew > sugar magnolia . Absolutely sublime , and without doubt one of the best dew’s 😸

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I shouldn't really call the Backdoor a club. It was an empty room on the ground floor of the Student Union and Performing Arts building on campus that the A.S. booking people converted into a small concert venue. Just a stage and corked walls. No seats. No refreshments. Bring your own. The talent that appeared there was unbelievable looking back. Freddie King. John Lee Hooker. Two memories...sitting under McCoy Tyner and watching his right sock working its way down past his ankle has he stomped his foot keeping constant time...Roland Kirk playing the flute with his nose, playing three saxophones at once, playing the piano with his elbows and head, and careening around the room playing saxophone being led by his handler (Rahsaan was blind you know) who had an air raid siren he would blow off in your face if you didn't get out of the way fast enough. And none of this seemed like a gimmick. Bright moments indeed.

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This show and bonus tracks from Oklahoma City is definitely top stuff. Sound quality is A+. A great Bear recording! Man, he did great work.
The whole show flows nicely, although not a long second set. Love the Sugaree, Bird Song is awesome, Jack Straw, Box of Rain! Come on. Casey Jones to close the first set and than open with Cumberland. Great Truckin Other One, very unique Other One. Always loved Brokedown Palace and this one they play flawlessly.

I will throw out 12/28/79 Road Trips 3.1??

Let me know Gents.

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I like the post-space UJB and Bertha on that one a lot mainly for Brent's harmonies. Overall a classic pick with a lot to like. I might give DP5 (12/26/79) the edge however. That pick is hefty.

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Listened to both Dave Picks 11, 11/17/72, and Europe 72, 04/07/72, as assigned by Bolo. Dave's Picks 11 is one of my favorite releases. Great recording by Owsley improved by the treatment of Mr. Norman. Has an incredible Bird Song. Just a wonderful release.

Europe 72, 04/07/72 Wembley just blows it away. Leaves a smoking crater where Wichita used to be. Europe 72 can not be bettered.

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This one has a nice slow relaxed build up with some ripping Jerry. TOO than blows the roof off! The only TOO>Brokedown Palace. End of set 2 all great. A perfect prelude to the next to nights.

ps. 4/7 Rips the paint off the walls from the first note. No contest.

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Okay Bolo, what are your thoughts?
Next show for today?

I suggested 12/28/79. RT3.1

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I’m down, right after my John Prine compilation

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I relocated last week and since that time I have been unpacking as much as I can and maintaining my workload from home. So I have been out of commission here for a while. I came across this pick of the day and I am all for it.

Just to throw a show out there ( not for today) but how about 9/8/73? I have never heard it but Dick Latvala spoke highly of it. It might be nice to give it a listen.

Meanwhile it looks RT 3.1 will it be for today. Maybe I will add 4/8/72 as well.

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Nice - been a while since that one hit my headphones.

MHammond gets a gold star. But what did you listen to AFTER lunch?

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I was at this show, it was a blast! Sugaree, High Time, The Music Never Stopped, this show was great from start to finish. This show sounds so much better then Dave's Picks 31 from just a .sound point of view. Yeah, this show was a hell of a lot of fun!

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Sugaree lovely, the rest of the set is okay Music rocks! Set 2 Alabama grooving, GSET explosive!, Terrapin super sweet jam, PITB end jam is sick!, UJB outta drums/space yes!, short Miracle, Bertha>Good Love, CJ , OMSN rockin!

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....on it. (I'm the tour buddy still in the car doing bong rips as y'all are heading to the gate.)

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1983/09/10
Santa Fe Downs. Give me this. But for Friday. I'm working tomorrow, but off Friday.
I've stood at Santa Fe Downs and looked east. The view is spectacular.
Whats all the hubbub, bub?
It's got a Music opener and a Cold Rain encore. Warts and all.
Things are strange outside. Bird Songs all day.
edit. Found something!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/grateful-dead-jerry-garcia-favourite-song/
Spoiler alert. Row Jimmy. Also a favorite of Bill The Drummer. It was playing as I read it (12.28.79. Disc one. Track four).
I still don't believe in coincidences.

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DaP11: Last half of disc two - the whole He’s Gone thru BDP is incredible

Just starting RT3.1 now , if the first song is any indication of this night, I’m in for something special!

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Hendrix Freak threw this one out a couple days ago but yall were onto something else.....it got me thinking about some primal dead, and haven’t had a good 68 fix for a bit....So Wadaya say Laddys?

MHammond: RT 3.1, nice pick. Started to go through the 79 stuff when DaP 31 came out but didn’t make it, rember liking this one more than 31, and yesterday confirmed that. Really need to get to DP 5 from 12/26, it’s been so long for that one. Maybe this weekend I’ll roll that?

VGUY: I’m down with some Santa Fe tomorrow. Heard about this one for years but don’t think I’ve ever checked it out. Plus 83 would be a nice change up here....

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12/28/79! Is this the best RT release? Maybe, certainly the best 79 release from the Vault so far. Betty did another excellent job here.
I like this release more and more every time I listen to it. Sound quality is A+.Sugaree opener! Different feel to this show without Keith and Donna, but I dig it. Brent's keyboards really shine. Really good flowing Terrapin, Playing, UJB. The show closers are fun and groovy. Makes me want to get up and dance.
And then there is the bonus disc, from 12/30/79. 10 additional songs of bliss. Scarlet Fire, Let it Grow, Truckin! Sweet.

Would love to see more 79 and of course 80. The early Brent years! I know the Chicago release didn't match this release but 79 has a lot to offer.
Yesterday I also listened to 9/1/79. Not an official release, but again great 79 sound.
If you have not heard it, check it out.

Looking forward to our next pick. Let us know!

I can't take credit for that pick. I'm trying the Europe 72 night by night thing and I'm already behind.

Playing now.
Is that today’s pick?

First got this on cassette in mid-90’s and loved it right away. Then got a CD-R copy. Was really happy to get it as a commercially released CD.

This show needs a Plangentized/Normanized remaster 180g vinyl record store day release.

Edit:
Looks like I’m a day behind. No worries, I’ll catch up.

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Good to have you kid.

Bolo, what are your thoughts on the last pick. Sounds like the crowd is feeling Dick's 22 for today/ tonight. I will have to sit this one out as I don't have this one. Looking forward to tomorrow's choice.
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