Grateful Dead

Well, I'm Living in Germany and know, and tried, all the listed beers. Some are, what we call: Industrial Beers, like Veltins or Bitburger (Bitburger is made in the Eifel). Industrial beers are considered as mass production beers, all similar in taste and no soul.
Aecht Schlenkerla comes from Franconia (town of Bamberg). Franconia, part of Bavaria (North), has largest brewery density in the world.
There are still over 300 breweries in operation. I'd say they have the best. Just real tasty beer.
All the German beers I've had in the U.S. were different in taste, compared to what you get here.
If you find Augustiner from Munich, try it, preferably 'Edelstoff'. It's a good one.
Take care and best wishes

"We all live for the sun"

thanks for the Surf Punks reference, icecreamkid. you win the "cool Deadhead of the day" award

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhqzOeJnto

Have you come across Kemptener Alt? It is... er... an Alt beer from Kempten naturally. Kempten is in Allgäu in southern Germany.

Thank You! I will check them out. Some of the Dutch brands recommended I have seen them here in New York City, others not. I will try some and search out the others.

I will look into the beers of Franconia Germany too. I lived in Heidelberg for a few years. At that time I discovered among so many others Koning Pilsners which perhaps had a larger market share at that time throughout Germany than the smaller breweries. It was not available here in U.S.A. until perhaps a decade ago -- give or take. Now it is common in little 4 packs of cans. The bottles which I prefer are harder to find. GRATEFULGERD (CORRECTION, OOPS) how is Konig Pilsener perceived in Germany? Is it another least common denominator beer for the masses? I do like Gaffel Kolsh and Reissdorf Kolsch which can be found here too. Kulmbacher was another brand which I liked when I lived in Heidelberg and can be found here if you really look for it but unlike other German beer brands it is hard to find. Once upon a time, Es war einmal, that the german supermarket Nanz had a brown bottle of Kulmbacher which had ceramic flip top bottle ( Keramikflasche mit Klappdeckel) with a little chain and shield on the bottle like a Halskette mit Schild. When I look at the Kulmbacher website it is hard to know which of the currently available beers is closest to the one I used to like? Kulmbacher Schweizerhof does not seem to make that exact bottle style anymore.

Well, I guess I will just have to try them all!!!! While listening to E72 or, God willing, Europe Autumn 1990! Dave are you reading this?

Stay safe everyone: We will surrvive.

Peace.

Simonrob,
just checked Webpage. Haven't had one yet.
Alt Kemptener Weisse is a Weissbier (no Alt). Hope you know the difference.
Nice color, it should be a good one. That amber-colored type of Weissbier is my favourite.
Did you notice, we joined the forum the same day?
Best Wishes

You are correct. Beers in Germany taste very differently than here in the U.S. Much better when sampled locally. We in fact were able to try a few Augustiners last year in Munich on the recommendation of locals. Very good indeed. I have never been able to find any of my favorite German beers here in the U.S.

Same goes for Guinness. The taste in Ireland is far different than here in the U.S. I suspect that is the case for most beers (and wines).

4/8 is one of my favorite shows of the tour. Dark Star>Sugar Mag>Caution is one of the finest jam segments of all (IMHO). All these years later, I still can't get over the transition from DS to SM. I've never heard anything so smooth and precise.

Thanks for the beer advice!

Deadegad,
Kulmbach is also located in Franconia (Oberfranken). König Pilsner is not too bad. It is still around
and comes from Oberhausen, about 20 Min. away from the Grugahalle, Essen, where the Dead played in 1981.
Due to the Covid Situation we all need to stay home for some more time.
The Bierkeller and the Biergärten remain closed for a while. Normally they open up end of April. I was waiting a long winter to get back, but now this.
I'm dreamin' of a cold Mass in an original stein under shady trees. Last year's price for a Mass (1 Liter) was between Euro 4,20 and Euro 4,50 (about $ 4,50/5,00). Can't wait!
No nice pictures fron NY at the moment.
Best Wishes - We will survive!

No, I hadn't noticed that we both joined this site on the same day, almost 13 years ago.

Yep, Alt Kemptener Weisse is the one. Amber coloured. Unfortunately I have not tried any other Dunkelweizen beers so I don't know if the Kempten one is good or not. I do know that I enjoyed it.

....strong work. Recognizing songs I didn't realize he wrote.
Dear Abby is so good.
6.29.07 here. Right on your coattails fellas.

I never heard much about him until recently when the news came out that he was sick. Obviously a huge loss. Ima hafta take a couple days hiatus from my April 71 / E72 regimen to get acquainted with his work.

Gerd--I was figuring that what I could find here was not considered great bier where you live, but beggars can't be choosers! :)

I just returned from getting fresh growlers (half-gallon jugs) at Utepils, a great local brewery that attempts to emulate German styles. The owners travel to Germany to drink bier every year. I grabbed some Dunkelweizen, some Alt, and some Keller (Cellar) Pils, along with a SpringBok and a red lager. I like to imagine that I'm drinking something CLOSE to what you get over there.

My favorite type of beer is Wheat Beer.

I was in Dresden in 2017 and drank a lot of Maisel’s Weisse.
There was a local Pilsner also that I had a lot of and it was good, but don’t remember the name.

The reference to Lowenbrau made me think of the Surf Punks and the mention of “a case of Lowee’s”.
Glad I helped send you on a side tangent palate cleanser.

....that sells excellent brews. All the big liquor stores are shut down here. The corner market or grocery stores are the places to go, and grocery stores are like walking on a different planet these days. So, you go Speedee Mart!!
Surf Punks? Thats Aldo Nova level!! Lol.
Alert. Calling for 9.10.83 for the daily listen for Friday. Can you hear me Santa Fe? Not an official release, but you can find it.
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1983/09/10

is one excellent show

China Rider....oh, yeah....

So when two posts, back to back reference China Riders I had to check them out and compare.

5/10/80 vs. 9/10/83 China Rider. Both good, but what kind of pixie dust was in the in Santa Fe that fateful September night in 1983? Must have been rocket fuel, blistering guitar work. A worthy side by side and both are really good versions but nothing close to the same. What a difference three years makes.

Dirty Honey is the best new band I've heard and seen live in ages. It's too goddamn bad about this thing going around, shutting everything down, as they were just beginning to break.

A rock band is nothing, relative, to what's going on - people's lives - but goddammit I'm a rock freak and this music will never, ever die.

May all of you be well and Carry On.

Ultimos Cinco:

Dirty Honey - Dirty Honey
Santana - Abraxas
Metallica - Black Album
The Cult - Electric
Doors - L.A. Woman

\m/

My heart goes out to all who are bearing the brunt of this weird attack we are all being subject too.

From a purely selfish perspective, it occurred to me this morning that hoarding records, cds and books for the last 48 years has been quite prescient as things have turned out. Its like being locked up in a music museum, with an emphasis on 1965-75, but going back to Blind Lemon Jefferson.

My favourite is Orval - a Belgian beer from the monastery of the same name. My aunt lives near there and I first tasted it when we visited the restaurant which is very popular in the region. You can get it from a few select mail order outlets in the U.K. but they don’t make many. Pure heaven (which is appropriate considering its place of production).

I once visited a monastery in Italy (what is it with monasteries with me?) where they had a notice in Italian asking people not to talk. They made lovely wine which made me think that the monks couldn’t handle loud chatter after a night on the tiles!

Sorry can't really contribute too much since i like Bud Light... I know... Growing up in the middle of nowhere Ohio in the 70's and 80's... We had two kinds of beer, Budweiser or Miller... Unless you were really "wealthy" you drank Michelob!!! lol.. When we travel I do drink the local stuff.. Alhambra 1925 was a good beer in Spain!! And Carib in the brown bottle was good in Tobago..

"cool deadhead...."

Kinda redundant wouldn't you say :-)

anyone have a problem with iTunes not finding the song names on the 76 box when you try to rip the CDs?

I had no problem, but I always end up editing the hell out of what they decided for me anyway. I haven't heard that since the first day or two these things were shipped..

Is your internet connection strong?

Has any one in Europe got their June '76 Box yet? I got the grey customs charge letter today for £30.27. The card said the post office would be open - so I walked a mile and half there to find it wasn't, and never had the intention of; at least it is a very sunny day. Walked home and went on-line to pay the customs charge; the first delvery day is 5 days away - next Tuesday :( and to cap it all the Royal Mail site wouldn't open the payment page, so I can't pay on-line. Only waiting 4 weeks but hell it could be a hell of a lot worse in these strange times of orange men and CV19.

There is an interview done by music writer Ralph Gleason with Garcia on 4/8/67. I just typed in 4/8/67 and it came up. It's on You Tube.

JimInMD - yea internet is strong. but, just got a new windows 10 computer and latest version iTunes but my external CD drive is about 12 years. maybe a driver issue with the old CD drive so I ordered a new CD drive to see if that helps. settings in iTunes is set correctly so ill have to wait and see

thanks- at least I know that the CD's contain the info

and yea, I wish these dead box sets had consistent information. My PNW box was very inconsistent from one disc to another

HAPPY WILL

The Royal Mail sorting offices have changed their opening hours for the collection of parcels during the current difficulties. According to their website they are only open between 07:00 to 11:00 Mon - Sat and closed on Sunday. The Easter holidays may cause these times to alter. I doubt they will be delivering any mail during Easter. I managed to pay on-line and they delivered two days later. Good luck getting the delivery.

Here in The U.S.A.: I like Samuel Smith Pure Brewed Lager ( and the other S. Smith varieties). How is Samuel Smith Pure Brewed Lager regarded in The U.K.??? I am curious about that after reading GratefulGerd's reporting that some German beer brands which are well regarded outside of Germany are actually regarded as average within Germany.

@Happy Will(?) and other Euro-Heads: My heart goes out to you with "The Wait" and "The Shakedown Street" $$ import taxes and resulting delays. Government? Can't' live with it; can't live without it!!! A little less government here and there should be a welcomed thing. In my humble opinion, anyway.

I got the monthly GD Bulletin and am looking forward to the next Dave's Picks from Florida Spring 1974.

Since I am jogging more and laying off beer and all of those calories when the new Dave's arrive I will be ready to try some of these great beer recommendations.

Be well everyone. Peace.

Had to share this:

Last night in Denver, I've got the 6-14-76's Franklin's Tour blasting when I noticed it was minutes to 8 pm. Denver has a group howl every night at 8 p.m. (Mysterious origins, but helpful somehow.) So Franklin's is reaching a crescendo, I open the back door and the howl blends in perfectly with the music. Eerily well.

And a couple neighbors and I had a call-and-response howl or two.

To tie it all in: I had a Guinness in my hand.

when I listen to this show, I am always like, "this show is good, but why do people get such wood over it?" Then I hear Blues for Allah, and am reminded.

"Ah. I get it."

taste eternity

Is Jimi Hendrix Stages Box a good purchase?? I am getting BOG Groovy Children soon too.

Want to freak your Neighbors out? Open that back door and read out loud Allen Ginsberg's poem "Howl!" That should do the trick. And, yes, Guinness is Good For You!

So Stages -- amazed you can find it -- I got mine in 1990 off the backshelf of a Chicago used CD store, but it was new. It's long been OOP. The box has four shows:

Stockholm (5 Sept '67) -- may have been superceded by a boot tape, but this is only official release
Paris (29 January '68) -- superceded by an official Dagger Records re-release, check official website for availability
San Diego (24 May '69) -- only official release
Atlanta (4 July '70) -- offers only partial show; superceded by official CD, "Freedom: JH at Atlanta Pop"

To be honest, I'd grab Stages if its under $100, and ALSO buy the Paris/Dagger release and Atlanta/official&complete release.

As for the performances, the fall '67 in Sweden is beautiful because Jimi's young and the audience is polite and it's got The Wind Cries Mary and Burning of the Midnight Lamp among the crowd-pleaser hits.

Paris is a ferocious performance with blues like Killing Floor, Catfish Blues, Red House AND includes Wind Cries Mary and Little Wing.

San Diego has a Spanish Castle Magic>>Sunshine of Your Love and one of the best Red Houses he ever played.

The giant Atlanta Pop festival show might be uneven, but with 16 songs and some of his best '70 repertoire in the mix, there's enough brilliance to make that a must-have.

Not that I have an opinion on the matter. Let me know where you find/found Stages and the price.

I don't think it's Rhino that creates the metadata (but could be wrong). I think it's populated by people, perhaps the first to get CDs??

In any case, something was weird with your setup. I saw similar the message in the first days people started receiving the box sets. Mine imported with data, which I immediately changed because I'm sort of OCD about how it's all stored.

Interesting.. good luck.

...oh man, I’m a Gonnie ...
I’m not ready for a 93’ 🌹💀

Boy, you could make a great box set from April 1969. One big box, 6 shows, from the Avalon ballroom and the Ark for those of us that like it all. Or, a smaller more affordable box for those that want that, a combination box from both venues. More the merrier,as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the better.

Must admit I’ve never seen or heard of this. I do like Samuel Smiths beers though. My favourite U.K. beers are Fullers London Pride and Black Sheep from the brewery in Yorkshire.

I think you will enjoy getting to know his music. Since you're a deadhead, you clearly understand and appreciate good lyrics. John delivers the goods. His catalogue is extensive, so have fun. Others artists who know how to string words together....

Dylan (duh)
Townes Van Zandt
Richard Thompson (his work is both acoustic and electric. He is a master guitar player. Be prepared to have bruises on your chin from your jaw dropping)
Joni
Leonard Cohen

I must be missing quite a few....keep the list going!!!

And just like that I have pulled into Europe 72 trunk....... listened to 4/8/72 early this morning... jumped to 5/7/72... I am a big fan of the Good Lovin's from this tour... bob t

I will let you know if I mange to buy the Stages box set and thanks for the advice on the others because it is hard to know with so many Jimi H live releases where to begin. Deferring to your opinion is helpful to decide. From Dimeadozen I do have quite a few audience boots.

The new live cream release is something I have my eye on. It is like blood in the water for a shark . . .. Swimming around. . .. Eye balling a target . . .. And then "Bite!"

Here is Samuel Smith Pure Brewed Lager from Tadcaster U.K.:

https://www.samuelsmithsbrewery.co.uk/shop/bottles/lagers/pure-brewed-o…

Favourite U.K. beer: Greene King's Abbot Ale.

Orval is indeed a fine Belgian beer.

Bottled Guiness is nowhere near as good as the draught version. This applies to almost every beer.

Class songwriter: Guy Clark (r.i.p.)

April '69 box: YES!

JimInMD - no rocket fuel - an impending thunder storm
and wicked sky was driving that China -> Rider! My theory
on how we got the Bosie '83 show instead of one the
Red Rocks or Santa Fe shows from this run is that they
can sneak a dud in the subscripscipton that would
never sell as a stand alone release. All part of the 20 + year
master plan.

Thanks Deadegad - I’ll try it out after lockdown.

What a great call. I’d buy this in an instant. Missed out on the Fillmore 69 but bought it later minus one show on Discogs for a small fortune.

I happen to have one of the largest collections of circulating Hendrix recordings in the world, thanks to 15 years of global tape trading and 15 years of digital trading (mostly CDRs through the mail). I bought my first Jimi album in summer '69.

You are most welcome to anything I have. The hitch is, my CD duping machine is track by track with two second gaps, so that sucks for live shows. A friend can always do this for me/you. But let's wait for the virus to blow over as I want to reduce any need for sending/receiving mail and for those who do the work in between.

I spent many years tracking down and buying $25+ bootlegs of Jimi. It was really fun, though expensive. At that time, 15-20 years ago, small independent record stores would have 'em "in the back." They had to know you were a real collector and not a copyright policeman. Kinda like buying reefer in Memphis in the '30s. So I'd display my knowledge of Jimi as kinda the password. (I did not resort to "swordfish," if you like the Marx Bros.)

I probably have something like 250 discs of Jimi boots and another 150 legit releases. Wild guess.

I did get the Cream '68 farewell box. Three killer West Coast shows in top sound and the final Royal Albert Hall show, which is boot-quality because it was taken from a video feed. Well worth the money. Try Bullmoose.

Happy hunting! Note that I checked the official Hendrix site and they still sell Paris, 29 January '68. Do yourself a favor and order that NOW! And prepare properly when the laser hits the plastic.

I agree with all the names so far, so I’ll just add a few, perhaps, lesser known people:

Nigel Blackwell - The songwriter with Half Man Half Biscuit, great use of imagery and funny as well.

Bridget St John - I like her debut album ‘Ask me no questions’ but they’re all good.

John Martyn - Great guitarist and songwriter.

Jeffrey Lewis - Cartoonist and songwriter. I like the line from ‘Moving Day’. “The kitchen looked good when we cleaned the floor, I wonder why we never did it before” ( this is from memory so may not be entirely right )

Then there are those little known writers from my home town, Lennon, McCartney and Harrison :)

....as a "listen of the day" tomorrow. I've touted both these shows forever. 9.10.83 is slightly better imo. My new avatar is Phil stepping up to share Bobby's mic during Cold Rain & Snow to sing for the first time since the hiatus.

I discovered this show thanks to your many mentions of it! Thanks, my man! It really is killer show! LOVE to see this as a release!

Peace