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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #4261
    icecrmcnkd
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    If you don’t have another pick

    I’m working my way through 6-26-73 PNW and it’s hitting the spot.

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    :)))

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    GD tractor beam/3rd eye

    That's what got me for sure!

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    Wowsa! Thank You Bluecrow!

    Man I haven’t been hit with the ole GD tractor Beam/third eye in ???...
    This last Dave’s: The BFF Phil show, was similar in that I had no expectations and for whatever reason I really clicked with it. But this is on a different level...
    It’s so funny since I wrote 93 off years ago because of, ...well, basically too lazy and closed minded! I saw only one show 6/13/93, that I thought was perhaps the worse show I’d seen (it wasn’t!) 28 years later, arm chair psychologist I’d say life was changing as it will do, and I needed justification for letting go of such an important/prominent part of my life for so long?
    Well fug all that now as hopefully we’ve been able to lose that dogma and go furthur!
    Also think being much older now, the more relaxed feel that was often the MO of the last era, is now a plus, whereas then only in my thirties, I was accustomed to the more balls to the walls 80s energy, ya know “too much of everything is just enough”, and thus often felt non plussed? Or, more precise: my perception/reference has changed with age...

    And 93 seems to be a good example, as I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the shows I’ve heard recently, especially this one! From the sweet Shakedown opener, nice Wang Dang, sure not 83 bad ass, but still fine and not just the same old, same old Bob tunes. A nice Lazy River, which makes me think to our recent plunge into the Port Chester run that made me realize how when they were breaking out new tunes over the years, the JG ones always seemed more together and gelled quicker than Bobs...lol
    Desolation was/is always a top Dylan or Dead song for me. Though perhaps it lacks the verve of an 89 version, it’s still fine. Decent Ramble On, and then to me, a huge energy drop with Eternity, Still sorta on the fence with this one? Guess I haven’t spent enough time with it yet? Wonder if it would resonate better if it didn’t plod so much? Guess that’s what I remember NOT liking about late era shows; the plodding sometimes...(one thing I don’t like about D&C sometimes)
    But it’s played ok, and followed by a decent set closing Liberty...
    Picasso Moon, for the rocking second set opener. Not sure I ever fully grasped the lyrics to this one, but always liked the flavor and energy. Dig any tunes that let JG rip!
    Crazy Fingers, always a personal favorite, even if not always tight. Perhaps the fragility/delicateness of it makes it prone to occasional turbulence? Perhaps just a litmus test for how together JG and/or the band was on any given occasion? But JG seems on tonight and we get a nice sequence thru Playing and eventually a short but Sweet Dark Star. This devolves nicely into another of those lysergic 90s Drumzzz, with perhaps the biggest surprise (for me) of the final of only 3 ever 2 Soldiers Jam. Like BC said this whole sequence through TOO and sliding into a sweet Days Between is an emotional playground that only the GD could provide.
    This song resonated with me from day one, another instint Hunter/Garcia masterpiece, and though not perfect, another great rendition that once again got this old Sod all choked up!
    NOTE: I also thought “Cabin Boy” in the jam, but was so intrigued I looked it up in Deadbase 10&50 which listed it as the 2 Soldiers jam, which upon further review makes sense. Performed only twice before on 9/22/87 and 9/12/90.
    After a decent Good Lovin’ another big Smile/wow moment with LSD, no not that ; )
    Now I knew it was coming, but since I’m not sure I’ve heard them do it before, (ok, good part of being old/forgetful, I can enjoy movies and shit like I’ve never seen/heard before lol.), really dug it! So Cool, now really bummed I didn’t get to see it : (
    Perhaps that was part of why I became disillusioned in the later years; I was hearing about then playing Dark Stars, and Here Comes SS, and Lucy etc, and after many years of lucking out, all I was getting were what seemed like endless; Sambas, Eternity’s, and harumph, Loooonnngggg, Waaaaaayyyys, wasn’t big on Corina then either. But as I say, thankfully I’m more open to MOST of that now (Sorry Vince...)
    So yeah, after over forty years it’s still nice to get shown the light....! And THAT, to me, is the beauty of this board. To go where not many have gone before, AND find the Golden Yummies!!
    Mission accomplished!
    So big THANKS (again ; ) to Bluecrow!

    Not sure I’ll get to Alaska today? (but another curiosity that hasn’t been sniffed yet)... Lovey’s home so we’re listening to “other” stuff, like some L.S.D. inspired Beatles! No not that! ; )
    Until next time me amigos!

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    It was in this behind the scenes video that Justin Kreutzman shot during The Dead rehearsals.

    That Weir, he's funny!

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    when did Bob say THAT?

    yikes.

    Good way to get a cymbal frisbeed to the head.

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    What has three legs and an asshole on top?

    Either one of those drum stools behind me.

    Hahaha.. Good one Bob.

    Happy Friday!

    PS - Nothing personal drummers, Bob said it.

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    A little Alaska in 1980 sounds good. Let's do it Vguy.

    Good stuff Jim. Hopefully, soon we can all get back to living and making more good stories.

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    First, Alaska is fine with me.

    Next, tales from golden nitrous canister:

    One day in either the late 80's or the early 90's.. we found ourselves waking up early to climb the Middle Teton in Jackson Hole. It's really more of a hard core hike, no roped climbing, but with over 6,000 feet of vertical from the car to the top, planning to go up and down in a single day.. it was a big-en, much of it meandering up and down talus slopes which can and did munch up our footwear, my shoes were shredded by the end of the day.

    Anyway.. and I'm pretty sure this part was my idea.. we decided to bring some party favors for the summit, which included a healthy number of those little nitrous canisters and one of those little balloon screw on thingies. So there were were at just under 13,000 feet having been pretty close to sea level just days earlier giddy with nitrous running through our veins huddled in some contrived stance to escape the wind and ice pellets that were pelting us in the face procrastinating the long hike (slide) down. Now Nitrous can have a wicked effect at these altitudes, it was all we could do to not fall off the mountain.. but it was a giddy high time full of laughter and stories that I will never forget. Somewhere there are pictures commemorating the event (which proved difficult to explain when my parents got a hold of the pics). We left at 4:30 in the morning and got back to the car well after dark to a car with a dead battery. Thank god it was a stick shift so we could push start it. What a grand adventure that was. At one point well into the afternoon still climbing up.. someone asked our fearless leader how much further, his reply.. I'm not sure. Both the other times we did this we all took acid. We knew we were in for a long day.

    Believe it or not, this tale ties neatly into everyone's favorite fun band.. we were on a cross country climbing trip that culminated with a successful attempt at Devil's Tower and we had an off day in the Tetons with nothing planned. Climbing the Grand Teton was a bit more than we had in us so we were going to play it by ear and do something not quite so difficult.

    One of my previous college roommates was rumored to be living in Jackson Hole and I really wanted to hook up with him, so I tried to look him up in the phone book to no avail.. (remember public phones when they used to have these thick phone books wired to the booth). So we got in the night before were were just walking around town checking things out. There was this bar and grilled called the Mangey Moose.. so we stroll by thinking to grab a beer or whatever and we hear the unmistakable sound of a Dead cover band, so we immediately head in. After about a half hour this guy grabs me on the shoulder, my old roommate.. and he puts us all up in the house he was renting (floor and sofa space), takes off the next day and was our tour guide for the hike.

    Just a small detour on a side street and we are back to talking about everyone's favorite fun band, the Grateful Dead. What a small world where you can run into someone you used to be close to but have not contacted in years and randomly run into him 2,000 miles away from home. I bet many of us have similar stories.. we are everywhere!

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    You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose....

    ....but you can't pick your friends nose. May I suggest 6.20.80 as today's pick?
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1980/06/20

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/09/2020 - 18:46

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Please give the date of the show, not just the release identifier.
My shows are organized by date.
Thanks.

Edit:
Just figured out what DP22 is. I listened to those shows a few weeks ago and so will pass.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 04/09/2020 - 19:07

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Snowed here in WI, too. Yet, I finished the lawn raking. Go figure. Are you sure it wasn't Graupel (snow pellets)?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 04/09/2020 - 21:24

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....got the Galaxy S20+ at the beginning of March. My old phone was circa 2014. Was time for an upgrade. Came with an early order credit of $150. Used that towards Buds+'s. Testing them now during 2.23/24.68 Tahoe. Not bad.
Then I heard about all the 5G shit. Can't win for losing i guess.

RT 3.1. Fun to revisit this one - been a long long time. Totally forgot that it had that awesome Terrapin > Playing. BITD I had a cassette from a friend who labeled it "Terrapin > Playing > Jam > Yikes!!" At one point it seems like Brent was channeling his inner Ned Lagin (fully approve!)

Looking forward to visiting Santa Fe later today. Never given that legendary show a deep listen. Anybody got rec as to what source? Notice that there's an Usborne matrix.

Pick of the day reminds me of a college literature class - 4 days in and it feels like already a week behind. Tahoe is gonna have to wait.

Wichita - real bounce in their step whole show. I think '72 is my favorite "era" for Other One. Some really great Keith piano in there. Always sweet when they drop from one of these into some slow heartfelt beauty like Brokedown. When are we gonna get 9-28-72?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 07:41

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If I told you all that went down it would burn off both of your ears.

Viola Lee Blues 19:15 pure bliss
Hurts Me Too 4:13
Dark Star 6:49 nice transition>
China Cat Sunflower 4:38 best ever?
The Eleven 10:33 fantastic
Turn On Your Lovelight 12:40 nice little boogie
Born Cross-Eyed 2:32 yes
Spanish Jam 7:23 wow
Morning Dew 8:10 nice
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl 14:39 sweet blues jam
That's It For The Other One 8:13 okay
New Potato Caboose 9:08 Heavenly
Alligator 3:45 okay
China Cat Sunflower 4:14
The Eleven 7:17
Alligator 6:39 oh yeah, an 11 jam
Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) 11:49 see that train a comin', wow excellent!!
Feedback 4:55

Feb 1968 Jerry played a - Gold-top Les Paul with P-90 single coil p/u's. 3 Twin Reverbs, 2 Fender 4x12 cabinets, JBL D120 speakers

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 10:47

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Stoked, unfortunately have to make a death run first; ACE for varnish, and PO. Don’t ya know almost finished with more book shelves for Lovey and I’m out of Varnish, Doooaahh! At least it’s pre-order curb side. PO I’m afraid I might have to go in and stand in line for a package (clothes for her, to go to a wedding, that we already dropped non refundable mucho dineros, that were probably not going to be able to attend).....
But I’ll be firing that up this afternoon once I have the goods....going to try the Siemens matrix. Never been as enamored with SB recordings as most. I feel there is nothing like a good matrix, more natural sounding....

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 11:39

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....actually does sound better boros. Thanks!✌
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-09-10.139379.mtx.seamons.ht112.flac16
Opens with Music Never Stopped. Bobby botches half the lyrics, but, as usual, the boyz make up for it with a smoking end jam.
TLEO follows. Jerry and Brent in SYNC!! Thats my wedding song btw. 20 years strong!
I really, really dig these two shows.

....to end the first. Storm clouds were rolling in and rumor has it, this show had one of the longest set breaks of all time. Waiting for the weather. Pics show that they didn't have a covering over the stage, just the rigging (see my avatar). The China Rider segue is bopping!! Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 12:49

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Music, holy crap, energy of a set 2 opener; TLEO, nice pace mellow and jammy; Esau, it's nice; Big RR and BIODTL fast songs didn't work here(maybe a Bird Song or Row J.); Tenn Jed back on track; Minglewood, smoking; China>Rider rockin' nice transition, wish I was a headlight...

Woman R, nice energy; Cumberland, foot stomping, Phil bombs; Playin, really nice jam; China Doll, beautiful; Jam Drums, Space really great; TOO, trembled and exploded; GDTRFB, OMSN, rockin'; CR&S the only time they encored with CR&S.

...."If its any comfort to anyone, on this date in 1890 in Cairo Illinois, it rained fish."
https://www.loc.gov/everyday-mysteries/item/can-it-rain-frogs-fish-and-…
Lolololol.
For the record, the fact that there is a second set Cumberland with bombs never swayed my opinion of this show. 😜

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Submitted by bolo24 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 13:07

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Had some family issues to deal with the last couple days, so I'm behind a bit. Halfway through RT 3.1, hope to get through the rest of that one and Santa Fe by tomorrow morning. Kinda fun listening to shows that haven't been in the rotation for a few years. SO much good stuff - we are blessed indeed!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 13:19

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....in all good time Bolo. Hope all is well. Meanwhile, Phil is laying some serious brickwork towards the project that is PITB.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 13:47

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....the only ballad in the second set was China Doll. Albeit played at 1.5× speed, the outro jam is delicious. More Lost Sailor teases from Bobby during space with a dash of Heaven Help The Fool.
At the 9:10 mark they finally decide on The Other One. 9:10 mark. I still don't believe in coincidences. Cool Space.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 14:05

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....to be honest, I can't remember the last time I actually listened to one. Shame on me.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 14:17

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....and it gives me chills. Wonderful!!!
Phil steps up to Bobbys mic at 4:36.
Thanks for playing. See yall later.
9.11 up next, because why not?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 14:41

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....features a raucous Greatest Story and an early Hell In A Bucket that was just spreading its wings. Good stuff.
Still enjoying the ride. Kinda bumpy lately, but enjoying nonetheless.
West LA up. One of the most covered songs by them, because West LA.
Saw a picture of LA today. No smog. Actually a beautiful looking city.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 15:34

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One of the high points of my life. Turbo Tom drove down from Kiowa, Montana , picked me up where I was living north of Taos and we made our way to the Santa Fe Downs. We camped next to the parking area where the Hog Farm was helping out. The Sikhs were security (Akal Security) for the Downs. Both days were amazing. And it was harvest season. The two shows were far from sold out. Many of the old guard long hairs from northern New Mexico were in attendance. Just thinking about those two concerts is like a memory from the Golden Eternity.
I’m most of the way through the first set. Earbuds , iPhone and cell tower signal up in the mountains to access this.
Great call V-guy 72!

....they played three shows there. These two, plus a one off in '82. On off as in no tour. 13 song first set if I recall correctly. Just decided to pop into Santa Fe. Plangent it and box it and ship it.
I'll pay $99.99 US dollars.
Alaska would work too. I'll pony up three moose pelts.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 16:51

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When I moved down from Montana in January 1982 I lived ten miles north of Taos on north Hondo Mesa in the “kiva” in the Grow-hole. (Built by the alternative school the Taos Learning Center TLC in the early 70s) Lived in a tipi and then the “Pyramid Cube” on El Salto Mountain for the next five years. Spring of 1987 I moved to Grant County and worked trails in the Gila. Also have worked many years up in Gallup. (Trail work and Public Radio)
Another side bar on the Santa Fe Dead shows. The state penitentiary is just a couple miles from the Santa Fe Downs. Bobby Petersen (Unbroken Chain, Pride of Cucamonga) arranged with the authorities at the prison to transmit a low wattage FM signal live broadcast direct from the Downs. Bobby used to live on Lama Mountain up in Taos County not to mention Robert Hunter spent time living on Canyon Road in Santa Fe in the 60s and visited Taos at different times. And contrary to rumors , the Dead did not play at New Buffalo Commune in the 60s. I asked one of the founders last summer , Rick Klein who helped start Buffalo in 67 that very question. Not the Dead but the Eagles played at New Buffalo. Also Laird Grant (Jerry’s longest time friend) used to live at Morning Star above Arroyo Hondo.
The skies are the most consistently clear of pollution day after day for the past three weeks than for the better part of the past 40 plus years. And I’m talking the mountain west.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 16:54

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....northern NM does have energy. The Taos hum proves that. Gallup was always a pit stop for me.
9.11.83 has a Morning Dew.
Where have all the people gone today??

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/10/2020 - 23:03

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Good work Vguy.

Looking forward to the next pick.

This has been a fun week, good idea Bolo.

Be well people.

Did you catch the Shakedown Stream?
Pretty cool. Dave, can't sit still. He mentioned 50-70 or so high quality video in the Vault from 89-95. Intriguing to me, not sure if they will put any more of it out, but I would love to see it. Man, how about putting out the Spring 90 Tour on video? I would volunteer to help out on that project.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sat, 04/11/2020 - 04:48

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Should not have passed this one by.

ps Feb '68 this is what I think heaven must be like.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 04/11/2020 - 10:58

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Been working in the garage last few days and the energy from both DP 22 and 9/10/83 has made things fly by!
Gave Santa Fe another listen last night because I was diggin it and wanted to give it a better listen than the first time. Great 83 show, fun, spirited show with interesting sets. Might just give the next night a spin today while I work.
Guessing perhaps partially why that China-rider is in overdrive might be due to the deluge that was obviously happening as Bob says something like “we’ll be back when it stops raining”. I might contribute the pace solely to “other” things except it’s not like all the songs were that fast and it wasn’t right after break? So to go from normal 83 tempo to warp drive just then, and since they didn’t have full canopy etc, makes me think they were trying hard to get the fug outta there lol.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sat, 04/11/2020 - 11:31

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I like 9/10 a little better both are great. There are two grate audience recordings of these shows in hi-rez maybe a matrix box.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 04/11/2020 - 12:20

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China Cat Sunflower / I Know You Rider had me dancing in the dark last night. Gonna listen to the second set today. You know, land of manana , New Mexico stylie. Damn this is a long set break!

May I make a suggestion inspired by Bolo's idea? I think a "Pick Of The Week" is more workable. I think one person should make the selection and at the same time designate the next picker. So on Monday let's say JiminMd makes a pick and names the next picker who will announce his pick the following Monday and the next picker etc etc. Hey I know I'm in social isolation at least through May and I think Bolo's idea is great but it needs some structure. I also know I've been drinking and I have no idea if anything I've said makes any sense. Also I just finished 4/11/72 and I think it's probably the weakest show of the tour.

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 04/12/2020 - 02:38

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That appeals to me a bit more. I am still following my own unplanned trail through shows, so the pick of the day was on top of what I was already listening to. The result was I got left behind straight away and decided to drop out. A weekly pick would obviously give us more time, and wouldn't intrude on where we feel we are supposed to go.

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Submitted by DeadAreMyDealers on Sun, 04/12/2020 - 07:43

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Another vote for Mhammonds idea. Gives us all a chance to give these the attention they deserve. Goddamn work has been interfering with my listening sessions :-)

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 04/12/2020 - 08:43

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Maybe finish 2nd set today. 9/11/83 was amazing also.
Happy Easter! Be safe everyone.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/12/2020 - 11:14

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I listened to 12-28-79 a day late and haven’t done the others so far.
Looks like I have 9-10,11-83 on a HD but they haven’t migrated to my music player yet. Might do that later today, but first yard work calls.

For my easy-listening, coffee-drinking routine to get today going I went with 10-10-80 Acoustic.
But that just finished.

So onward with 1-24,25,26-69 % which is compiled from the AOXOMOXOA-50th bonus disc, AOXOMOXOA-Golden Road Box filler, and a portion of Live Dead. Such things are possible with my collection because I organize by show date, not by the arbitrary order that shows are released.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/13/2020 - 06:06

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I think we only had 3-4 picks last week. Now that we are through the Holiday, maybe we could get back at it. Seems like every other day is doable for most. Either way we need a new pick from someone. I already had one last week. Would like us to stick to official releases. Just my thoughts.

Be well people.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 04/13/2020 - 07:34

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12-2-73, part of DP14

The remainder of DP14, 11-30-73%, can also be done as extra credit.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 04/13/2020 - 08:23

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Not like I’m a regular here, but did jump in at (under)ground level. 50 year anniversary , 30 Trips around the Sun. Winterland. What’s not to love. “ let me hear you say; WAAAAA!!”

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/13/2020 - 08:25

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Just started :)

I've always preferred this part of the pick to the 11/30 portion (which isn't to say the first part is any slouch!) I think a part of it is that "Morning Dew" always seems to work better as a closer than an opener, at least for me. The second disc of this portion (or disc 4 of the set,) is just exactly perfect!

Happy Listening!

EDIT: Oh yeah, this is the show where Phil hassles the guy in the audience - "Who are you? The heat? Someone shine a light on this guy..." Kind of a jerk..

Peace

I had to take a break for some work related conference calls just as Weather Report was moving into Let it Grow, but I picked back up and am now into "Nobody's Fault" jam territory. This was a great release of a great show! As I mentioned, I prefer this one to 11/30, but I think I will have to def. go back and hit some of those highlights (maybe all of disc 2,) after this.

That being said, it is really hard to beat this second set, that though very short, contains some FAR OUT there stuff... Wharf Rat, Playin, He's Gone, Truckin, Stella, Dew - all heavyweights in my all-time favorite GD tunes list.

Good choice, IceCream!

Peace

(EDIT: Whoops, I forgot 1/2 Step - another gem!)

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/13/2020 - 13:07

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Matrix of 12/1/73 - the show Dick forgot.

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-12-01.124132.mtx.dusborne.flac16/gd7…

It's got a "Sugaree", a "China>Rider", and a "Playin'>UJB>Playin'" - and so far, this Matrix sounds pretty darn good. I've never listened to this show, so it's a treat :)

I suppose this is for those students that not only want extra-credit, but are looking to write a master's thesis, or simply polish them apples into a 110%.

Peace

EDIT: After LLR, Phil says to the crowd "Be quiet over there, can't you see our piano players trying to tune up?" Seriously, what crawled up his %%# during this run?