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    During the mid-1970s, the Grateful Dead saga was unfolding like a Greek classic. The Sisyphean Wall Of Sound had nearly broken the band. From it spawned a Medusa head of countless side projects, all deliciously fruitful but woefully not the same as the whole. The chorus lay in wait, pondering the reemergence of their heroes, and wondering if "THE LAST ONE" had really been it...

    But in early 1976, Apollonian light and healing would shine upon our intrepid wanderers once again. No more epic battles for the people with cops and lines and tightness, the Dead would return triumphant in smallness, playing intimate theaters and renting equipment along the way. No more ticket scams and greedy promoters, they'd give back with first ever mail-order ticket program, one that had a few kinks to work out but eventually served the fans well.

    Musically, June 1976 signaled a Golden Age of harmony and prosperity for the Dead. It marked an Odysseusian-like return for Mickey Hart. Donna Jean was in lock-step with the sirens' call. Jerry and Bob delivered orphic delight with solo musings like "Mission In The Rain" (the only tour they ever played it on), "The Wheel," and "Cassidy," emboldened by group effort. There was fresh repertoire from Blues For Allah, breathing new life to the Dead's continually morphing sound - as Weir once said of the '76 tour, they wanted to play "a little bit of all of it." Old favorites were re-envisioned with cascading tempos and unique sequencing, making the crowd question if they'd ever heard these songs before. And there was comfort and joy in the familiarity of watching the band make it up as they went along. By all means, it was clear that the bacchanalia of live Dead would reign on.

    And now the revelry from this epoch, evidenced by the near-studio quality sound captured on two-track live recordings by Betty Cantor-Jackson, lives on, bolstered by Jeffrey Norman's HDCD mastering. It's housed for posterity in a handsome box featuring original art work by Justin Helton. It’s documented in liners by Jesse Jarnow and photos by Grant Gouldon. And it’s ready for a spot on your shelf. 

    As part of our pre-order for this Dead.net exclusive boxed set, we'll be delivering downloads of each listening party - one for each show included in JUNE 1976 - to purchasers from now until the March 20th release. Order at any time before release and you'll receive all the listening parties to date.

    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 12,000

    What's Inside:

    • 5 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 15 Discs
    • Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA 6/10/76
    • Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA 6/11/76
    • Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 6/14/76
    • Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 6/15/76
    • Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ 6/19/76
    • Sourced from Two-Track Master Tapes, Recorded By Betty Cantor-Jackson
    • Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    • Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

     

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  • #351
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    Fivebranch.. well said.

    Sixtus, we are mutual fans of 4/16/78, Huntington WV. One of two times played the Mountain State.

    Ha.. if I had to keep just six Europe shows. Well.. I'd opt for the cyanide pill and be grateful for a life well lived. You can't limit yourself to just six shows from that tour, it's simply not possible.

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    So I’m finally getting around to throw out a few thoughts on June 1976 (Michigan's Stay at Home Order has made me oddly withdrawn from internet life as well... I guess I feed of external stimulus in ways I don't even realize). Hopefully I'm not repeating what has already been said!

    For the first set material, at times I found myself so absorbed by the nuances that I would briefly ‘forget’ what song they were actually on (jams in 6/19th’s Franklin’s and Tennessee Jed being memorable examples). And then some renditions are just executed masterfully, finding that perfect balance between structure and looseness (try 6/10th’s Cassidy, which is the first track in the box that I had to immediately listen to again). No doubt the clarity of the recordings helps tremendously to pick up the subtleties. Samson though took a few attempts before getting the groove dialed in (the 16th finally pulls it off but the previous are fledglings).

    For the second sets, my favorite GD shows are those where once the band steps up on stage, everything that follows rolls together as a complete performance and you would never want to skip or add anything. And you are starting to hear that in 1976 second sets. Perhaps it was the new momentum from Hart being back. I don’t think its coincidence that the last time they had this approach was back in the late 60’s. I honestly find ’72 – ’74 shows to be too long and I rarely listen to any front to back, as I do for shows from 1976 onward. Instead I look for great segments that can be lifted out for a splendid 80 minute sit-down.

    I was really looking forward to this release and its everything I hoped for. It captures such a distinct year for GD with Jerry’s new tone, the new songs, Hart being back, the fresh approaches after the hiatus. I’ll be returning to it a lot. If there was one song I wish they had in rotation though it would have been Bird Song. I’d love to know how that could have sounded seventy-sixed! I guess Crazy Fingers kind of filled that slot.

    [Side note: I’m a big fan of Aarhus, the jam after Truckin’ that eventually lands down into TOO is sublime, the entire Disc 3 is a great example for what I’m talking about above]

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    As I am wont to do on this date, I've taken-in this bad boy today and I would like to encourage others to do the same. Would love to see this one some day, officially; it's among my personal favorites for a '78:

    https://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.miller.82273.sbeok.flac16

    Be Safe and Well, All

    Sixtus

    P.S. Aarhus ain't too shabby either, for a Sixteenth.
    Good one, Stoltzfus. I see what you did there.

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    Aarhus is very very very fine hus

    with two tour buses in the yard

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    Hi Keith Fan

    I did exactly the same for Aarhus 16/04...and I love this show; I bought E72 à la carte, so a few shows are missing.
    if I had to save 6 lyceum 05/26 -Frankfurt 04/26 Tivoli 04/14 Paris 05/3or4 Amsterdam10/05 and Wembley 04/8
    (with good mention Rotterdam, Newcastle, Aarhus and underestimated Luxembourg)
    I found this interesting blog for Europe 72 ,
    http://bozosandbolos.blogspot.com/
    Now I am relistening the "small shows" Newcastle, and soon Hambourg, & Munich
    For June 76 Nothing on the shoreline...

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    I use a Laptop with Foobar HDCD decoder witch allows me to cut the output volume even if peak extension is not enabled. This allows for more headroom and not brickwalled. Newer releases do not have peak extension enabled so it's good I still have the option to cut the output volume.

    Foobar HDCD decoded(halve output volume)to a USB SPDIF 24bit converter to a Marantz sr7005 DAC

    4/16/72 sounds pretty good I like these shorter PITB's they go far-out fast.

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    Would Always welcome more 1978! 💀🌹

  • #358
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    "Most of the time...

    ...we do songs to _death_."

    - Jerry Garcia

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    I am starting my walk through the woods with 4/16/72. This was the first Europe 72 CD I bought. I read it in the Rolling Stone top 20 list where it was noted that Donna was absent. This was a few weeks after I discovered Sunshine Daydream / Veneta and graduated from casual listener to hardcore DeadHead. In those days I didn't like the Donna vocals on Playing in the Band so I had two reasons to get this one first. I've done a 180 with Donna since then.

    This box that really is the gold standard. It was the perfect merging of excellent sound quality in excellent playing (not to mention great setlists). I really wish they had some multi-tracks from 1973, but I guess the closest we get is Winterland '73 box set. I always forget what the recording difference was on this one, but it's stated the liner notes - I believe it was wider tape at a faster speed + Plangent. Sometimes the mid-range comes through a little high, but that's what the equalizer is for.

    I really like Pigpen's organ chops on Sugaree. The whole Hammond / grand piano combination of PigPen pen and Keith is just sublime. Add Jerry's Stratocaster and Billy - I mean really, has anyone gotten more out of three drums than Billy? Okay maybe four drums. Donna was used just the perfect amount in my humble opinion. I think she was a little over involved in some of the post hiatus classics, but she's pretty much always right where she needs to be on this tour ( indeed, it's the last time you can hear Sunshine Daydream without her until 1979, boring that shows she missed during pregnancy oh, but you get my point). When Bobby was able to get his own screams down that song sounded incredible in 1971 and 72. This is actually the only show they didn't play it, come to think of it.

    This April 16th show is actually kind of an odd one for Rolling Stone to pick, considering there is no Dark Star and a very abbreviated The Other One. They really could have picked any show from this tour (I think they did pick Bickershaw as well in their list).

    My June 1976 t-shirt arrived. It's as good as it looks. It's cut and stitched like the Pacific Northwest t-shirt, which is a good thing. Excellent quality.

    I'm doing my Europe 72 run a little bit differently this year. After the full listen, I'm going back and replaying the highlights, which inevitably includes all of the Dark Stars and The Other Ones.

    I also have one of Doc's April '71 favorites queued up next - 4/8 at the Boston Music Hall. This is a great 15-minute Dark Star that goes into St. Stephen. My PhD is not in Dead '71, but I have noticed that the St. Stephens started rocking out after they dropped the William Tell section and the Mickey Hart. The instrumental outro that leads up to the "answer man" vocal is kick-ass, and some of Bobby's best chord playing. The first rule of 1971 is 1971 St. Stephens are not to be missed!

    Well it's almost time to work so I have to wrap up this walk which was all too short. Fortunately I don't live in the city or anything so I have not seen a single person. It's 45 degrees sunny and no wind. I'm surrounded by huge pine trees (which only fall occasionally) and the 4/16/72 China Rider is playing on my headphones. This is one of the best of the tour. Jerry and Keith are extra busy.

    June 1976 t shirt. You're going to want that cowbell. I feel like I'm on the Oakland A's or at least part of the Dick's Picks 33 album cover. Speaking of the Dick's Picks 33 album cover - do the last 5 seconds of the Breaking Bad opening credits evoke that album cover image in anyone else's head besides mine? There's something about the color and the drifting smoke the triggers the DP 33 imagery. Every time. Kind of like every time Jack Straw ends, I expect the opening chords of Franklin's Tower to start up; this is because Grateful Dead go to Nassau was one of my first Dead CDs.

    Strider88 - I saw your comment about the Gibson SG. It sounded like you actually saw the February 18th 1971 show at Port Chester? Did I catch that right? If so... I'd love to hear some stories about that one.

    With all the tape they use throughout their career to record the shows, it would have been cool if they had spent 60 Seconds after each set to comment about how things went. Okay maybe I'll just stop being greedy and be satisfied they recorded the shows at all. This was just an unheard-of practice. We're so blessed.

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    Vikes, et al. Interestingly enough, the Marantz HD-CD1 does NOT decode discs encoded with HDCD format. Finding HDCD players is getting more and more difficult, unless one searches the used market for older equipment, or unless one spends boku bucks.

    After doing some research and trying some listening experiments on a Cambridge Blu-Ray player I purchased on EBay (ended up coming from a Head, who kindly hooked me up with stickers and shows when he saw he was shipping to "DeadheadBrewer"), I determined that I no longer care about HDCD. On the Cambridge one can choose whether the HDCD decoding is on or off, and I used the RFK box with its immaculate sound as a test to go back and forth. I'll be darned if my 50-year old ears can tell one iota of difference.

    So I learned to quit worrying about HDCD, and now just enjoy the music coming through the Maverick tube DAC (no HDCD decoding), which has a DAC that is much newer/better(?) than most DACs in older players that DO decode HDCD. A guy at a boutique audio shop told me that the new DACs are so improved as to render older "tricks" like HDCD meaningless. Your mileage may vary.

    As I mentioned previously, I also could not discern any difference between the SACD layer and Redbook layer on a DVD player that allows me to choose which version to listen to. And I "failed" a blind listening test I set up, whereby my wife randomly played me Mp3 and WAV files of the same song. I guessed which file it was five times out of ten.

    If HDCD makes a difference and someone can appreciate it, then more power to her/him. I've decided to never give another thought as to whether my equipment decodes it or not. Buy better headphones and speakers, and ignore nearly everything else is my new audio mantra.

    Be kind, rewind.

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During the mid-1970s, the Grateful Dead saga was unfolding like a Greek classic. The Sisyphean Wall Of Sound had nearly broken the band. From it spawned a Medusa head of countless side projects, all deliciously fruitful but woefully not the same as the whole. The chorus lay in wait, pondering the reemergence of their heroes, and wondering if "THE LAST ONE" had really been it...

But in early 1976, Apollonian light and healing would shine upon our intrepid wanderers once again. No more epic battles for the people with cops and lines and tightness, the Dead would return triumphant in smallness, playing intimate theaters and renting equipment along the way. No more ticket scams and greedy promoters, they'd give back with first ever mail-order ticket program, one that had a few kinks to work out but eventually served the fans well.

Musically, June 1976 signaled a Golden Age of harmony and prosperity for the Dead. It marked an Odysseusian-like return for Mickey Hart. Donna Jean was in lock-step with the sirens' call. Jerry and Bob delivered orphic delight with solo musings like "Mission In The Rain" (the only tour they ever played it on), "The Wheel," and "Cassidy," emboldened by group effort. There was fresh repertoire from Blues For Allah, breathing new life to the Dead's continually morphing sound - as Weir once said of the '76 tour, they wanted to play "a little bit of all of it." Old favorites were re-envisioned with cascading tempos and unique sequencing, making the crowd question if they'd ever heard these songs before. And there was comfort and joy in the familiarity of watching the band make it up as they went along. By all means, it was clear that the bacchanalia of live Dead would reign on.

And now the revelry from this epoch, evidenced by the near-studio quality sound captured on two-track live recordings by Betty Cantor-Jackson, lives on, bolstered by Jeffrey Norman's HDCD mastering. It's housed for posterity in a handsome box featuring original art work by Justin Helton. It’s documented in liners by Jesse Jarnow and photos by Grant Gouldon. And it’s ready for a spot on your shelf. 

As part of our pre-order for this Dead.net exclusive boxed set, we'll be delivering downloads of each listening party - one for each show included in JUNE 1976 - to purchasers from now until the March 20th release. Order at any time before release and you'll receive all the listening parties to date.

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 12,000

What's Inside:

  • 5 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 15 Discs
  • Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA 6/10/76
  • Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA 6/11/76
  • Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 6/14/76
  • Beacon Theatre, New York, NY 6/15/76
  • Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ 6/19/76
  • Sourced from Two-Track Master Tapes, Recorded By Betty Cantor-Jackson
  • Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
  • Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

 

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 04:29

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It glazed over me when I read it, but now it's sunk in - you haven't listened to the E72 shows since the box set came out? That was ages ago. What Dead do you listen to alternatively?

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 04:53

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Keith...no, sorry, what I was trying to say was that I haven't played the stand alone releases since the box came out. By stand alone releases I mean 100 Year Hall, Rockin' at the Rhein and Steppin' Out. Those are the ones that have been gathering dust. I play the shows in the big box a lot. Wouldn't be without it.
I haven't played the original 3 L.P. as was, Europe 72 for over 10 years.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 06:03

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And also to the keepers of the peace up on that building over there with their cameras and binoculars and all that good stuff. Looking out for your best interests.

One of my favorite tapes back in the day.

Holleder stadium was demolished back in 1985.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 06:22

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Wow, THAT was a lot of reading. Also hard to hear the differences when you're reading. A real bummer, I buy these "official" releases because I assume they will be the BEST mix. Hard to imagine squeezing someone out. In general though I always thought Bob was the hardest to hear, he always seems to get lost in the cymbals. On the plus side,,,, for shit and giggles I checked ebay for the steamer trunk. If you bought when it first came out you've seen the price take a hike, huh? There was someone who wanted over 2G's. All were over a G-note!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 06:23

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Just something about it.. I will never forget when i got it had to meet someone at Border Cafe in Cambridge and have drinks and just staring at CD cover!! That was back in the good old days when we could go to restaurants!! Snow in Rhode Island on April 18th!!! be safe everyone bobt

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 06:28

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Don't know how this got by me. Guess I thought I could always make from the steamer trunk. But if the mixes are different....

Anyone out there want to help a guy out? Anyone got a copy to slip me? Sure I could buy used for 20 bucks, but I've already spent more than I should this month for non essentials. Also need to pick up essentials like smoke. I need to get a job again! (boy that sucks, kinda. Gonna be hard to find another gig in a smoke shop!)

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 06:30

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KeithFan, I just popped in here to take a break from reading about which versions of the Stones' early albums I need, and your end-of-post musings have now given new meaning to the title of one of the albums I was researching! :)

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 08:31

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Yesterday sitting on my stoop
Listening to 4 4 71
Phone rings
Principal from my school calls (spring break this week)
Shares news that son of a coteacher (kid also an 8th grade student at our school) died in his sleep thursday night
:___(((

I hang up, absorbing that.

From a full stop, the GD play GDTRFB.

completely true.

Here's a raise of the glass, and a fountain of tears, to you, Giacomo.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 08:35

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Sad news, hang in there.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 10:24

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Condolences, Stoltzfus.

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Submitted by deadegad on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 10:47

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Sad news indeed. R.I.P. to this child. Love & healing to the family.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:35

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Sent you a PM, brother.

Peace

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:37

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My favorite will always be when Garcia steps up and says, “Here is where Weir gets his wish, at the expense of everybody” right before they break into El Paso.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:38

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Feels like all I do anymore is walk and eat cereal soaked in protein shakes. It's all good Dead time though.

Stoltzie, sorry to hear about your colleague's son. So young, so tragic.

Dead Head Brewer - I was up at 4am to let the dog out and couldn't get back to sleep. So naturally the headphones went on and fortunately there was a recommendation from the July 78 box set, so I indulged in it and some '72 Playing in the Bands. I have no idea where that concluding comment came from, other than I wanted another cup of coffee and was thinking about breasts (neither of which is uncommon, so I don't know why I found it fit for publication today).

Bobby T - Hundred Year Hall is one of my favorite album covers too. In hindsight it is strange that they didn't release the whole show. On the one hand it was a standard international release, early in the life of the Vault releases, so maybe they weren't confident they could sell a four disc set. On the other hand, if sales and marketing played into it, you would think that the 35-minute version of The Other One would have been excluded in lieu of several more shorter songs. We could speculate a while but what's the point. I love how it's mislabeled as Cryptical Envelopment. I never bothered to change it on my digital copy.

Daverock - thanks for the clarification. Something definitely seemed off. I pretty much only listen to the box set versions too. There are a couple from Steppin' Out that I put on the end of my digital folder for their respective concerts: Brokedown Palace from the April 11th show at Newcastle is one of them. It has this beautiful little piano twinkle that Keith plays right at the beginning that is much higher in the mix on Steppin' Out. I may give it a full listen today at some point. I compared the Dark Star with the April 8th box set version this morning, which I've never done before; in this instance Keith is much louder on Steppin' Out, but he's not completely left out of the mix on the box set version like he is on the example I cited yesterday on Greatest Story Ever Told / Bickershaw. Well some trivia since we're talking about the difference in mixes - you can hear Bobby cough during the lyrics on El Paso on the opening night at Wembley Empire Pool in the box set. You don't get the cough on Steppin' Out. It's these kinds of little nuances that I started picking up after I began purchasing the box set shows a la cart. Then I was just like whoa, where is Keith on some of these??? Anyway this horse has been flogged.

I'm currently revisiting the Pacific Northwest shows from 1974 to see if I really do prefer the Selland '74 Coattail Skeletons show I raved about like a looney bird last week. Cuckoo bird not Looney bird. Looney Tunes, Cuckoo bird. I should Tweety that. I can feel the glares.... trust me it's the runner's high talkin'.

I like 1974 Peggy-Os.

If I were a multi billionaire I would buy the Vault and a team of software Engineers to figure out how to isolate all of the vocals and instruments from a two track recording, so I could make multitrack mixes of all the Dead shows. It can be done I'm sure, it's just not a cost-effective endeavor, so nobody's motivated to do it. Then I would make hologram Dead and have them play to my new multitrack mixes. Then I'd take my show on the road. Oh wait wait wait wait WAIT. I forgot..... I already promised a buddy I'd hire a team of scientists to build him a lightsaber if I ever became a billionaire. Hologram Dead will have to wait.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 12:24

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....warm hugs to your colleague Stoltzie from across the internet.
My Keychain bottle openers I ordered from dead.net is scheduled to be delivered today. One for me and one for caseyjanes to fulfill my super bowl bet. (God. That seems so long ago and from a different age, doesn't it?). Sending it off next week with some regional beers. I didn't forget you casey.
Checked out that ebay Warehouse listing Dennis. I cant afford to piss away a hundred bucks either, but looks cool. In fact, that ebay seller has a few interesting listings. That Talking Heads one looks neat.

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 13:31

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Labor Day in Rochester, NY.
I know 'cause I was there! The Good Rats opened

Rock on

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 13:33

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Oops, 1979 not 1978

Rock on

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 13:58

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After listening to a little 2/15/73... (you know where i was)... 12/18/73 such a good show... sorry about over posting today. just bored. bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 14:20

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Awesome post!! I cant think about Zoom without singing in the back of my head Boston Mass 02134!!

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 14:45

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Stoltzy, poor kid. Its horrible for any kid to be forever young. Sorry. --- Bob t.- "02134, send it to zoom!"

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 15:02

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....is all about timing. I was a victim. Now I'm better for it.
https://www.justgivemepositivenews.com/
"In this world of trouble, we have to love one another."
edit. That Washington Examiner commentor brought up Bucknell U. In Lewiston Pa. That exact show was brought up a couple of days ago on these boards. His post was from a couple of days ago. I still dont believe in coincidences, but that just blew my mind.
Amazing.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 17:12

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I don't know a whole lot about Roky Erickson's music, but a late friend of mine Steve Burgess played bass in his band Roky Erickson and the Aliens. Steve played bass on an album called the Evil One that was released 1981.

I liked the 13th Floor Elevators a lot. Sort of a tragic tale ala Syd Barrett and Peter Green.

Still, a distinctive style all his own.

There's a great documentary floating around about his life and music, I forget the name but certainly worth checking out.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 18:27

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Oh yeah

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 19:50

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Watched the French Connection tonight for the first time in a long while. Great movie.

1971 was a good year

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 20:22

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Gene Hackman at his best. Classic flick...

To this day, I always hide my smuggled heroin underneath the sideboard of my 1970 Lincoln Continental Mark III, and I've never been busted for smuggling heroin, so trust me.. it works, pretty much bulletproof..

Interesting fact.. The French Connection was (of course) based on a true story. The real crime was committed in 1961 and the car they used to smuggle the smack was a 1960 Buick Invicta.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1960+Buick+Invicta&ie=&oe=
(I bet you could smuggle a lot of smack in this beauty as well, though.. regretfully.. this model is almost exclusively used by Pimps in the East Village these days.. sad)

Great flick, a bit dated.. but Doc would be proud, as mentioned, released in 1971 - the year of my favorite Going Down the Road Feeling Bad. But I digress, OK.. back to your regularly scheduled Drums and Space.

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Submitted by LedDed on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 21:20

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"I think we're going to need a bigger boat."

Roy Scheider, Gene Hackman... real men and fantastic actors, not these bullshit lightweights they trot out there these days.

French Connection is an all-timer, as is French Connection II. And the Godfathers. I could go on...

Best,

Francis Ford Scorsese

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 21:41

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Don't forget goodfellas and Das boat.

Billy...to me the Elevators were one of the truly great bands of the early psychedelic era. Roky Erikson is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers I have heard-head and shoulders above singers from other white American bands of the time Their sound is primitive - their seminal recordings were made in 1966 and 1967. The Elevators live sound is quite tinny . But the few live recordings of them, from 1966 capture a fleeting moment, and for a few months during that year they were possibly the most exciting live band in America. Live they performed a lot of standards by people like Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, but also by the Kinks and The Beatles. Their version of "The Word" on "Live in California" is my favourite cover version of a Beatles song. There was a great box set that came out about 10 years ago called "Sign of the Three Eyed Men" which gathered together all their essential recordings and included a superb hard backed book.

I actually remember the name Steve Burgess from playing on "The Evil One"-bizarre what you remember.

Jim - I have never seen that documentary you referred to. It was one of those that would only play if you had region1 on your dvd player, which I didn't and don't have. I should get that sorted out. I have a documentary here on The Charlatans that I have never seen for the same reasons.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 04:19

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I took a listen to 13th Floor Elevators on youtube. Hard to hear his true voice through the mixes. I wasn't hip on the screams, but I like their sound. Reminded me of Sky Pilot. Best singer in American white band is a bold statement. Before my time so I can't comment really, other to say he had contemporaries like the Beach Boys and Jim Morrison. Best Morrison compliment I heard from a guy in the business (possibly Paul Rothchild) was that he could have sung the phone book and it would have sounded good. Just realized Rothchild wen to my mother's High School. How bout that.

LedDed it's a while since they've grabbed me, but I was a hard core Zeppelin devotee for a few years in high school and beyond (missed a college exam after being too hungover after Page / Plant show). That bastard professor didn't let me make up the exam - gave a zero. Forced me to have to get an A on the Final to pass the class. This was my last semester, so I nearly missed walking with my class. He was a young prick, maybe mid 30s. A few years lator I received a letter from the University indicating he died. I'm not usually vindictive, but I LOL'd when I read it. Zep should have toured after Celebration Day. I get Plant's rationale, but why bother with the O2 tease. I know it was a benefit show and all, but still.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 04:26

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Morning all... something guided me to start my day with this... anyone know who Bob Fried was??? Just curious.. bob t
Ok... I haven't listened to this show in a long time.... If you get a chance listen to the first Franklin's Tower. the Roll Away part at the end is the most unique you will ever hear!!! Thanks Bob t

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 04:55

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Yes, saying anyone is the best at anything is a bit over the top. I specified "one" of the best, though-not the actual best. And "rock n' roll" singer, too. I am not sure Jim Morrison would pass as one. Wasn't he more of a crooner? More Frank Sinatra than Little Richard.

Probably a coincidence, but after writing about Roky Erikson, you went on to mention Robert Plant. Plant has mentioned many times that Roky was a seminal influence on his vocal style.

The Elevators were actually before my time, too-I was 15 in 1972 when I started going to gigs. But I like an enormous quantity of music from the 1920s-1971.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 06:48

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I think it was called You're Gonna Miss Me and I think it's available on Netflix DVD (not streaming). There is a documentary on YouTube that's chopped up into three segments, but that's not it, the one I saw was professionally shot, edited, etc.

It had it it's bright moments, but he spent most of his life in poverty living with his mom, not that dissimilar to Syd Barrett except David Gilmour saw to it Syd got royalty checks to the very end. They certainly did not know how to treat mental illness in the 60's and did much more harm than good, most of it not easily reversible.

Great little documentary, IMDB gave it 7.6 out of 10. Well worth the watch.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 07:15

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Bob Fried, was a poster artist. I was at that show it was alot of fun. I hope they can find the tape of it , so it can be released

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 07:49

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All we knew in 1975 was that the band had "gone fishing" -- maybe forever. So that summer, a friend of ours who'd been living in California showed up with a large reel of (I'm guessing 1/2") tape. Said it was a copy of an extremely good audience tape of a GD show played in June. Somehow, we rounded up a reel-to-reel machine, hooked it up to a stereo at a friend's house, plugged in a cassette machine and sparked up. It was the 6-17-75 show and it smoked, still does. It would be hard to believe that my friend's reel was a first gen copy but it sure sounded clean. It's on par performance-wise with the August show released as One From the Vault (egads, I just looked, that was released 29 years ago). Track it down if you can. It's a good time. I believe it's been "verified" that there is no soundboard, but you never really know, given recent discoveries.

Huh, nearly 30 years of vault releases. In my head, in five minutes, I counted perhaps 175 shows (partial or all) have been released in 30 years. That may be a low count. Average of one show per 60 days for 30 years. I probably have three-quarters of them. And I just realized that self-reflection on this fact (and more shows eagerly awaited) is probably not healthy.

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Submitted by deadegad on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 07:51

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Another French Connection fan here!! Man there were some really good Cops and Robber movies back then including both the more true to life like the aforementioned French Connection and the more-of-a-stretch Dirty Harry series. Heck even John Wayne traded in his horse for his own take on Bad-To-The-Bone-Tough-As-Nails-Cops with McQ. Sometimes an actor did one of each with Al Pacino starring in Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon ( of course The Godfather 1 & 2). We could include the late 60s too.

Steve McQueen in Bullit as dedicated cop on the case and later in 1972 as a Robber in The Getaway. I think perhaps Bullit may have inspired The Dirty Harry series and I read that McQueen was offered the role. Dirty Harry is like Bullit with the action kicked-up a big notch and cool one liners added in. There are too many movies to mention from back then.

Someone mentioned Roy Scheider from Spielberg's Jaws. Schneider also did a cool but lesser known N.Y.C. Cop movie called The 7Ups. Of course he was also in The French Connection.

From Jaws: I really liked Robert Shaw as Quint! Shaw created a really memorable supporting character with Quint. God bless Sidney Lumet and all of those directors from back then.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 08:04

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What a show to be at!!! Had to be awesome!!! Thanks for the info.. Bob T

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Submitted by One Man on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 08:05

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Keithfan is 100 percent correct about the E72 mixes being different (worse) on the steamer trunk box set vs. the earlier compilation releases. Jeff Norman even weighed in on it at one point. He didn't have the budget to do a carefully considered mix on the big box, which is a crime. Those ancient tapes will never be mixed properly unless there is some kind of populist revolt (not happening). And it's not just the piano, although Keith gets the worst of it. The box mixes sound more like live-to-2-track recordings, a la Dick's and Dave's Picks. They were probably just put up on the board and mixed in real time. But don't get me started! It's my biggest GD beef. The earlier releases are worth seeking out for this reason alone. Mysteriously, as Keithfan says, a handful of the earlier mixes do appear on the box. See if you can find them.

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