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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1181
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    Gateway drugs

    Many people discovered Chuck Berry through listening to The Dead. The Stones served the same function in England.

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    Wanted to hear that third IIHTWTG so I went to the Bertrando/Sacks that starts at the post-Supplication Jam which without it's connection was fairly hard to guess but it sounds like Jerry was just noodling and trying to get to Playin' already. Then Drums into more pre-Playin' then shuffles right into a good Jack-a-roe. Playin' starts for real and abruptly shifts to a bouncy and funky Shakedown and has the crowd clapping along in time. Slow shift to the IIHTWTG with an almost silent (confused or maybe just respectful?) crowd. Fairly different from the debut which was as-written-clean (was this ever on a studio album?) including Bob adding some slide that turns into whale song (Jim, the gift that keeps on giving, lol) while Jerry fans the ending. Tough song to sing with lots of chord changes. Maybe that's why it was dropped? Then Playin' reprise with Bob trying to go elsewhere, but settles nicely before the slam into Around & A.
    Glad I got to hear this and thanks to Oro. Will try that 11-21-78 on your recommendation.
    Cheers
    Edit: Duh, of course! IIHTWTG was on the Shakedown album. There's a ut-oob of the Cleveland IIHTWTG with good sound but no video. Lots of interesting comments there. Lots of love for this song. One guy suggests this was a tough one to sing as it stretched Jerry's vocal range a bit. Same guy has a great detailed logical argument for why they dropped Cosmic Charlie, well reasoned. Another poster said this was their wedding song - cool! Another said it was a dedication from her hubby who has passed on. And a strange number of people said they liked/loved Bob's slide on this. No accounting for taste I guess. Oh and one said Bob had issues at start of second set which may explain some of that weirdness with the "Jams". (as Oro has already documented in his review a few posts back)
    Doc, you know what happens when the going gets weird. If not see Hunter Thompson.

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    Miller 95660, it’s an SB, but it has flaws and several patches. I didn’t mess with the others…
    11/21/78: went with Carpenter SB, recording overall better than 11/20, still has some patches.
    11/21 is a hot show! Only hiccup I recall is Black Pete…hell did they ever play bad in Ra cha cha?
    78 nuts will want to hear 11/21 and at least the Playin Sandwich from 11/20!

    December 73. What a month!
    Not sure about 1985 1st show. With no net, Deadbase etc, all we were focused on was trying to get to as many shows as practical, and hopefully later getting tapes of those shows. Never dreamed of the riches that have been mined since!
    Years later when I did start to consider these things, besides shows we were at it was all about those magic last ten shows of 73, featuring just the guys.

    3/24/71: I like 1971, but sorry, just did like 96% of 71 last year so not ready for rehash yet. I will say I really enjoyed this show though.
    That JBG off of Skullfuck was the lightning bolt that changed me from interested, to whoa, I have got to see these guys!
    It was April 78 and I was at my buddies. We listened to Skullfuck a lot sans not much else live Dead to listen to. Live Dead was still probably too weird for us to fully engage. Steal Your Money was cool, but it was all about S&R.
    Being a Hendrix freak in HS, I was really into JBG, and I’d heard this version many times, but for whatever reason something happened that day and JBG just blew me away. I made him replay it over and over and from then on the scaled tipped and I started becoming more into the Dead then the other stuff.
    The final straw was finally getting to see them in January. The rest as they say is history.

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    I wasn't able to find a good source for this show. What source did you listen to guys?

    December 73. Another fine month Jim.

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    3/18/71 is a good show - least the first cd moves nicely through it's changes, and the song list and jams to come look promising.

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    Hey hey hey rockers!!

    Pick Of The Day: Winterland March 24 1971 (Benefit for the Sufi Choir Of San Francisco)

    Code Seminole, check 3 check 3 check 1, Red Dog over……………

    The yang to the yin of March 3. The band may have started the month off low, but they ended high. Yes they may have forgotten an organ, but this fine and underrated show is much crunchier and more expansive than what came three weeks previously.

    The Skull Album Johnny B Goode, so early in the first set. Top notch grease, especially the crispy Hard To Handle. A big jam sequence in the first set highlighted by an excellent Other One. How and why did they end the set with such a hard rockin’ Beat It On Down The line? Solid NFA suite to close set two, followed by a nice Uncle John’s Band encore.

    I know not everybody digs 1971 shows, but this one is worth a listen, and would make a nice official release some day……..

    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Where's your will to be weird?

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    Perhaps the hardest part was convincing Phil some of this stuff is too good to fret over sound imperfections.

    I have to imagine giving Latvala reign of the vault was akin to giving a kid the key to the candy store. We have Dick to thank for most of what's out there that was not officially released (more important 30 years ago than today), but sometimes I wonder what things would be like if he wasn't as generous a head as he was. We would be enslaved, waiting for the next release. ...but imagine the elation of the great surprises that await....

    Anyway.. super busy which puts me in lurking mode, I check in when I can. Sorry for that. My extra credit has been a bit of Dec 73. Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there.

    Big rain event here now.. a hard rain's gonna fall.

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    To 1985 - Dick Latvala starts work as the GD archivist.
    It must have been an overwhelming task.
    The new music format called compact disc is here.
    He has his list started, likely from memory and his own tape collection.
    What would we tell him is THE most important, or best, way to start the releases?
    Assume it's all there in the vault and good enough to release, just to make it easier.
    I'm ready back then as my wife just bought us our first CD player. Quite expensive and so are the CDs. $17.99 for a single when LPs are still under $10.00. I'm still a GD novitiate and have no clue having only attended seven shows ('78-'80).
    Cheers
    Oh, and is there a list (Dave L.?) of Dick's potentials that have not been released? Or is that now part of the Dave's list that Oro cites from time to time?
    (Oro - I vote for the live GO since it's the one I know)

    Edit: Only three of those If I Had The World To Give. First is the Aug. 30-31,1978 that I keep asking for. I'll check that out Oro. Was the Standing On The Moon of it's era.

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    Sorry 1st show, forgot twice, ha! Thank you, Yes very nice DP 20 review and I concur: all is very good, but perhaps the first shows playing trumps the second shows sexy set list? And is that not one of the best (for last) Charlie’s?
    Great song, but being difficult sometimes it could be a bit Sloopy, but this one shines.
    So awesome we have all these gems to contemplate, hopefully, for years to come!
    Onward

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    Hey OB, I don't think we ever hit this one. I will check it out tomorrow. Thanks.

    Nice review on Dicks 20 Firstshow. I liked both shows quit a bit, but yes, that second set of Capital Centre is hot!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 07:21

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Morning.. 2nd cup of coffee (the first strains of IKYR from Feb 26 ’73 play in the background.)

FWB - Just digging in to 1973-02-26 - I can’t remember the last time I listened to this release, I’m thinking it was def underplayed due to it’s incompleteness… I made a playlist to include missing tracks from official release. So far 2/26 is sounding like stellar February ’73 Dead fo sure!

DaveRock - Thanks Man! And I might say the same for you & yours;) Roky rocks!
(it’s actually an Animated Gif, but it’s not animating here..)

Vguy72 - Cpt Crunchy Dead!
You nailed it, I almost changed my Avatar to the Captain based on this comment and it made me LOL, it mighta been the music, mighta been the weed, but that describes 1967-10-22… Crunch-A-Tize Me Cap’N!

Be Well, Play Dead!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 07:56

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2/9 or 2/15 would be a great first release of the year for a Dave's Picks!! Have fun with 2/26 and 2/28!!! bob t

BOB T - I agree about Feb 73!

Like I was saying earlier I hadn’t listened to 2/9 in forever, as it was one of the first SBDs I grabbed when I got back into collecting in say 2009-2010 ish and it was one of the first 5 SBD tapes I ever had back when I was 15.

So I dusted off that way neglected gem a week or so ago as the virus surged and sat in my backyard and took the trip… that show is so amazing on so many levels.

I’d love to see both 2/9/73 & 2/15/73 officially released! (nudge nudge Lemieux)

After that I wanted to hear more Feb 73 and therefore picked DiP V28 for this here get together. About to head into some Dark Star and see where this day goes.

LAF848 - 10/22/67 is GREAT JAMS for Sure, I enjoyed that pick big time. Thanks for that suggestion peeps!

Have fun indeed.

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First psychedelic band out of Texas. Not to mention Sir Douglas Quintet. Maybe Sir Doug Sahm was the first.
Watched GD movie last night from “a cave up in he hills”. Those were the days.
Healing thoughts for Bolo and family. Healing thoughts for any Deadheads, GD family who are dealing with some bad cards with this crisis.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 10:44

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But all this Feb 73 talk and right into 2/15/73 Dark Star!! Phil is jamming right now and I can't wait for the the Jerry playing!! so beautiful

He came to England round about 2007. I can't remember a time when I felt so excited waiting to see a performer walk out on stage as I did waiting for Roky. Probably seeing the Dead in 1981 and 1990. But it was quite something, having read all I could about him since the 70s to see him stride out and wave to the crowd. He sounded great, too. He played virtually the whole of that album he made of songs based on horror themes-I Walked With A Zombie, The Creature With The Atom Brain etc. Sadly, the only Elevators song he sang was You're Gonna Miss Me, which was the encore. But what the hell. He came back to do show shortly before he died, but I didn't find out about that one until too late.
Right...I'll leave you in peace now !

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:11

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Thank you for the notice that this was on sale at Real Gone! This is one of 11 from the series that I am missing, and of those, a 73 release sounds just exactly perfect (now, if I can only find a decently priced #19...)

Anyway, I am going to wait to listen to this one, so today I have been rocking 4/17/83 Matrix from the Archive. Great, high energy show, sweet jamming, Phil and Brent sound particularly good. Stephen Stills guests in the 2nd set for "Love the One Your With" and sounds terrible, but otherwise it is a pretty sweet show. Here's a link for those interested:

https://archive.org/details/gd1983-04-17.138277.mtx.dusborne.flac16/gd8…

May I suggest Dave's 8 - 11/30/80 Fox Theater for tomorrow's listen? One of the best of the series, and a great show for a Sunday.

Also, I know that we are looking to stick to official releases, but that leaves SO MANY incredible shows just waiting in the LMA... many of which would be new to most. Just sayin...

Peace

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 15:00

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More about fox, animal good
fox news, no good

The good fox it is , the animal ? No, the Theater

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 17:47

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VGUY72 - You should be at just about the masterpiece zone of that there show in Lincoln.

Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step will take you there!

I had a fun time in '73 today, glad you guys brought up these Brendan Byrne Arena (or was it called Meadownlands?) Stephen Stills shows.

I needed to upgrade to the 2017 Miller versions. They sound better than I’ve ever heard them.
Love the Early Bro Esau
Slipknot is great!!
heading into the Playing zone.

Is it me or is ’83 awesome? oh and ’84, ’85, ’87 Oh man… love the ‘80s.
Good Stuff!

Enjoy the ride..

Listened again today. Such a solid release. Sound quality of these two shows from Dick's #28 is outstanding. 73 is so good. Has there been a subpar 73 release? I don't think so. Great groove to this show. First set is stellar. Solid Big Railroad Blues, Loose Lucy. Second set is crazy good. One of my favorite Dark Starsz again really groovy.
Great pick GOGD.

I am in for Dave's 8. Love 1980! Still believe we have a good chance for the fall 1980 box this fall.

Conekid. Cracked into my first Bell's Oberons of 2020. So good. Always taste the best when the season starts.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 20:20

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OTIS - 1980-11-30 sounds fun, I'll plan on it.
You're gonna be happy when you get DiP V28 that was fun to hear again.

1983-04-17 is a killer. I always loved the sloppy LTOYW and used to try and make people listen to my crappy cassette version when I was a teenager. Nobody got it..

I can kinda see why now, Stills is just screaming out of key, I'd like to see Jerry's face during that. Still love it though and the PITB is a favorite.

In regards to 1973-02-26 - Approximately 3 Hours 7 minutes of music currently circulates from what I can tell. The Official Release and 6 Songs that are Missing from the Release but circulate as SBD, 2 songs Missing and not in circulation. When you listen side by side the sound quality of the official release really stands out and it sounds great! SBD is good just not in the same league.

Highlights: Loser (Sweet Susie Verse!), Don’t Ease, BRRB, Tennessee Jed, GSET
Epic: PITB*, Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step
Missing from Release: Box of Rain, China > Rider, BIODTL, Row Jimmy, El Paso (All Good not Great)
Missing from Circulation: Deal, Mexicali Blues (Anybody got them?)

Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step suite is the stand-out and they build a solid structure on both sides of it while coming and going. Dark Star builds for like 17 minutes before First (and only) Verse, it’s pretty magical and I’ll be listening to that again much more often now.

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

1973-02-28 - Is great too! But.. I’ll save that feedback for another time.

Good Ole Grateful Dead

Be Well, Keep on Rockin' and Remember your Hippie Training Folks!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 08:56

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Nice Deadvikes.
I’ve been going through a lot of Oberon while in quarantine. A beer store I frequent sells cases of 16 oz cans for only about $2 more than a case of 12 oz cans. That works out to an additional 96 oz for only $2 more! Got to be frugal in tough economic times.

Have to mow the lawn and do other yard work today. Will try for today’s pick later today when the jobs are done and I’m having some Oberon. I skipped yesterday’s picks because I listened to them on their anniversaries.

I processed a bunch of torrent files yesterday. They are currently in Sd2f format, will convert to AIFF and ALAC today and put the ALAC files on my music player. Included in the batch is 9-10-83, so I will finally get a listen to that show. Last week I went to process that show but the Miller files I had on a HD were corrupt, so I went and got the Seamons mtx torrent. Also processed other shows from 82, 83, 84. Yeah, I like those years.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 14:44

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Very enjoyable . Had been quite a while since I last heard it. And I have it on my iPod . Strong Bird Song and a chunky 15 minute Playing in the Band.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 14:58

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Just finishing, on UJB.
Wish more early 80’s recordings sounded this good.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 16:32

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It Must Have Been The Roses is a particularly strong version from my recollection. The harmonies are still tight from the Sept./Oct. acoustic and electric shows.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 18:48

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11/30/80 - I agree with WILFREDTJONES nice IMHBTR and ICECRMCNKD on the Sound Qual.
Nice Bird Song, always like L>S>D before Set 2. Scarlet > Fire, Ship was nice, PITB, Wheel & UJB encore all good.

I was inspired to search out some more from '80, dusted off
8/21/80 - Set 2 is off the rails Drums > UJB > Truckin' > Other One > Drums > Wheel > UJB > Sug Mag. Alabama Getaway Encore.
Give that a spin sometime...

I might have to follow CNKD on a 4/17/69 & 4/18/70 revisit. I was eyeballing them the other day while making my pick.

What's the haps on Tomorrow? Anybody got a pick?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 20:12

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What a show! I never get tired of listening to this one. Great first set, Bird Song! Lost Sailor/SOC is really good. Don't anybody fall into the pit. Scarlet Fire. Playing, the Wheel. UJB encore!
We need more 1980 shows for sure. A lot to offer.

WilfredTJones, send us a pick for tomorrow.

Conekid. Cases of Oberon in 16 oz cans, sounds sweet. What do they charge in MI for those?
We only get 12 packs in 12 oz cans in MN and they are typically $18.99.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 20:40

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I will nominate Dick's 20 Disc 2 (9-25-76 set II) and/or Dave's 7 disc 3 (4-24-78 set II Terrapin through Around). Btw, I love that 4-18-70 Cumberland Blues...

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 21:24

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....works for me!
That Big River from the Fox is out-fuckin-standing btw!!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 07:32

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When I was living in Atlanta I was getting Oberon 12-packs/12-oz cans for $15.99.
Looks like that’s the current price at Meijer in MI.
I’m in Pittsburgh now and the drive thru beer store by my house is selling them for $15.84. That’s a good deal but they didn’t get that much at the start of the season and the last time I was there I think I bought all they had. They probably have gotten more since then, so time to go back. They told me that it doesn’t sell that well, so maybe I’m the only person buying it.
The beer store that I drive past coming home from work (which I’m not currently doing) has the 16-oz cans in 4-packs. I grab a case and it comes to under $38 after tax.

16-oz cans are probably the best deal, but not currently the most convenient for me to get.

Just finished Set 1.. It's cool to hear how much more they've got their swagger back compared to say June 1976.

They sound confident and are rockin'

Good Stuff!

Time for Set 2.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 08:51

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... God, I love a good "Bertha" opener! Maybe my #1 favorite way to open a show... Maybe just a hold-over from my years of listening to and loving Skull Fuck.

Dressed myself in green! (Happy 4/20! - Earth Day too!)

Peace

A double shot of Jerry ballads, back to back. That doesn't happen too often...

Peace

EDIT: Ah, I see that "It's All Over Now" came between them but was edited out for this release. Still, a nice combo, even if it is artificial.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:00

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I’m on Loser now.
The band really does sound a lot different than in June.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:11

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....down the hatch. Highlights? Bertha for sure. Peggy-O and Let It Grow.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:20

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...from what I remember, this "Supplication" is pretty great. Yep... confirmed. It is hot!

Other than the first set highlights mentioned by VGuy, I also really enjoyed the "Ramble On" and the "Sugaree" closer. Seems like "Let it Grow" will round out the set, and they play it like it will, but then they drop that rocking "Sugaree"...

I also believe that this is the last "Cosmic Charlie" the band ever played. On Half-Step now...

Peace

Sounds a lot like a ‘77 version.

Maybe to get the full feel of the 76 to 77 transition we should also listen to 12-31-76 then 2-26-77.
Not necessarily today.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:21

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Well, everything is now copacetic for the most part in my little world. The nasty covid nemesis is hopefully in the rear-view mirror. My family members are mostly recovered, my buddy tested negative and his wife's health has vastly improved. Feeling blessed today!

Haven't kept up with the selections here - last listen was DP22. Love me some 1968! We had a vacation home in King's Beach for 30+ years, so I'm quite familiar with that bowling alley. I think Hendrix even played there.

Anyway, I haven't gone back to see who is doing the picks here, so I'll just throw out the first Jerry Garcia Band live album for consideration - the one from the Warfield released in 1991. The whole band just sparkles and Garcia's genius on his instrument is undeniable.

Also, I'm probably going to do a little contest soon for some cool (and valuable!) GD schwag in celebration of the return of good health around here, so stay tuned!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:41

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I'm hip to what you all have been saying and you're all on the money here.

Had to attend to other things, but was def noticing that they were rippin' through Dancin' with a lot more authority & confidence, than the 5 versions I recently listened to from June of '76.

Then yes indeed the last Cosmic Charlie.. bye Charlie! Was real nice to know you... you were always Truckin' in style along the avenue... and that Scarlet was tight, again a signpost to places we can go.

Ahh.. gotta groove to St. Stephen for awhile now.

CNKD I'm down... Love 12/31/76.. that PITB is always welcome. Planning on hitting up 9/28/76 today as well, so we'll see where the day goes.

BOLO24 - Glad to hear all is well in your world! Fun thread you got here.. thank you!
Got all the GD.. but don't have much JGB... but I love Schwag!

Speeding Arrow.. Sharp and Narrow.. this sounds good. Yes it does!

They're having fun with this here showh.. You all have fun too!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:47

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Just a clarification - do you mean the 91 mass-released double album with the painting on the cover, or one of the archival releases?

Also, glad to hear things are looking up!

Peace

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:51

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The whole damn thing!

I really liked the Phil-led little jam between Drums and the call back of St. Stephen - then, a joyous Sugar Mags to top it off! But really, this whole set, like many 76 sets, is just one seamless good time :)

Great set, great show, great pick!

My buddy just texted and gave high praise to 4/20/84. I think I may head that direction next.

I hope everyone has a wonderful rest of a Monday! Stay safe, and PLAY DEAD!

Peace

But it’s going to be brief because it’s sunny and blue sky and might hit 60. Going to ride my bike, then have some Oberon in the sun and do some grilling.

If you didn’t see my post on the 76 Box page, Willie Nelson is hosting a 4/20 celebration on YouTube at 4:20 central time.

Yo yo Bolo.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:44

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Great news Bolo! I am sure you and the family are relieved.

We have been moving along well with a great group of contributors. Today, still working on the first show from Dick's 20.

I am open for tomorrow.

Be well!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 13:21

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Glad to hear that everyone is on the mend. Prayers answered. Stay cool and distant (6 ft. anyway). Looking forward to your contest.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 16:49

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Thanks for the kind words, prayers and good thoughts. Y'all are good people, just like most Deadheads I've encountered in my life.

Contest: tomorrow at noon pacific time right here. And I guarantee the schwag will be well worth your effort. The clue is ridiculously easy, just like they always are!