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    When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.

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  • johnman
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    ARRRRG!!
    that should have been "forgive".....sorry!
  • johnman
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    Oh.....and can we make that
    peanut instead of macadamia?...for give me for being picky, but i am an avowed peanut addict...heeheee!!!
  • johnman
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    i have a question
    not that either one is a sound choice, but what is worse for the environment, oil or coal? and aren't they basically the same, from a fossil fuel perspective? I also wish to point out, not every employee who burns their former employer is a hero, some are just disgruntled individuals who cannot accept that they may have been let go for cause, and would rather place the blame somewhere else then accept that they may be at fault. Obviously this is not the case with Mr. Slater, but some people thrive on the attention.
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    McDonough & Braungart's point was?
    That the rapid modernization of the world cannot be sustained? That all industrializing cultures will want the same things? Agree; Agree. Everybody can't have everything and we are in no position to say who can have what. The free market rules. If there is demand, there will be supply. Look at the mess Mexico is in. I think you must work for a somewhat enlightened company to have them hire consultants to become more green. What is the owner's motivation (your company) to become more green? Doing The Right Thing (a warm, fuzzy feeling) or Saving Money (being seen as savvy). Probably a mixture of both. I would have thought all these conservation programs that businesses engage in and such government incentives as the Energy Star program and tax breaks for energy efficient windows, insulation and high-mileage cars would have cut CO2 emissions but the statistics don't bear it out. Frightening. The only thing that will help is a good old-fashioned depression coupled with an epidemic equal to the Bubonic plague. Looks like we're in a vice one way or the other.. Anybody out there want to create a Deadhead Biosphere? Our own self-contained and self-supporting community in a bubble?
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    Soot
    Yeah, I don't know if the story is true or not, but it was effective. There was another, called the "cotton underwear bill of rights." If every person on earth had a right to cotton underwear, all of the arable land in the world would be taken over by cotton production, or at least the part that can produce cotton. As cotton isn't exactly the most environmentally friendly crop out there, and as you also can't eat it, that's a problem. Also probably not true, but again, there was a point to be made. Source was Bill McDonough and his partner Michael Braungart. Lots of companies trying to "green" themselves with their assistance have had a falling out with these guys (mine included)...but they are very interesting and entertaining speakers, to say the least.
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    Interesting press spin on Steven Slater
    He was the steward on the plane who quit with 'tude. Now it seems the other passengers are saying he was in a snit the whole time the plane was in the air. There is a definite pivot going on to portray Mr. Slater as negligent and possibly dangerous and callous. I guess we'll never know if he looked out the window to see if anybody was in the way of the escape chute inflating and deploying so no way to tell if there was reckless endangerment. One thing is true, no jury will unanimously convict him. What we do know for sure is that deploying the emergency slide will put the plane out of action for a couple of days and cost Jet Blue millions. I think that is why the press is spinning this. If society makes heroes out of rebels who burn employer millions when they quit it is a problem. I never really noticed it until I lived in Vermont but it is a widespread occurrence. Barns are torched, heavy equipment is vandalized, etc., etc.. If the employer is a tyrant or a cheapskate the employees at the bottom of the ladder know how to grab them by the balls, twist and then get away with it. Often months and years after they quit. Was Jet Blue deserving of the loss in this case? Well, if they had free checked bags, more carry-on bins and gave gate-checked bags back to passengers when they stepped off the plane none of this would have happened. I agree with Colbert, Steven Slater is my Alpha-Dog Of the Week.
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    Don't know about the interiors...
    ...of Chinese dwellings being covered with soot. Very well could be. But as the Chinese modernize their middle class will have windows/walls/floors with seals. The coal factor is the killer. It is their primary source of fuel and they are putting one coal-fired power plant online a week. This is directly reflected in the the upped CO2 output. Per capita income in the US is around $41k a year, 17th the world. In China the pci is around $3.8k. After visiting China (Tibet, actually) last year I honestly have no idea how they sustain. Wearen't#1Wearen't#1Wearen't#1Wearen't#1Wearen't#1!!!!!!!!!
  • gratefaldean
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    China - polluter
    No idea how true this is, so nail me if it's just a Chinese legend. I was in a meeting with a (still) well-known "green" architect about a dozen years ago. He was telling us a story about Chinese prosperity and the subsequent implications of expansion of that prosperity. The story had to do with visiting a Chinese village in the dead of winter. There was apparently some kind of permafrost that covered the interiors of their dwellings. In most cases, the frost was, well, white. In a few cases, it was dull grey, almost black. The reason? The prosperous households could afford to buy coal, and burning it left a layer of soot on the walls. So...the expansion of prosperity has come to pass, and the implications he spoke of are becoming reality. But hey, we in the US still have the Chinese beat on a per-capita basis, for now.
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    Johnny Carson...
    ...shows are online now. Over 3,000 of them. You can see the future stars before they got really famous and, of course, all of Johnny's monologues at johnnycarson.com. Thanks for the laughs Johnny and putting a smile on our faces as you tucked us in for the night with your humor.
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    Macademia ones...
    ...to you Johnman. I guess cookie monsters get an exemption!
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