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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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    Congrats Jim!!!

    Knew we were getting close. Still love the Raven show. I am a huge '82 fan.

    This was the same time as my first drop, April 1982, what a life changing event, as I know 4/19 was for you.

    First 2 drops were Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze. Not too bad for first 2. Man, there is a lot to write about with those 2.

    Thanks Jim for being such a solid rock of posting here, and again, Congrats.

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    I can't say no to that. A pivotal moment in the life of Jim.

    The drive home (including the arduous task of finding the car) was perhaps scarier than that moment when they derailed into discord and mayhem shortly after drums. The driver, the older brother of the friend I went with, was totally straight and a taper. The two of us had never seen the dead before and we both indulged - two each. Making it through space intact was the first challenge.. then we had to live through it again on the drive home. I was given very strict instructions which I followed as if my life depended on it, "He cannot know." So we hop in the car, he takes out his newly recorded master and fast forwards to that very moment it all began.

    "Quoth the Raven Nevermore. ....It was a dark and stormy night.... Wasn't it?" and the laughing and the sounds of nitrous.

    Listening to this again for the first time in a while, that laugh at the beginning of space that sounds remarkably like the laugh repeated over and over again on a loop cycle during the excellent Space from Dave's Picks 40, Deer Creek 6/18/90. It's the same laugh whether recreated or brought back to life from this recording? Not sure.

    Looking back on this 40 years later, I have to think maybe Larry wasn't as straight as he was purported to be. How could he not have known we were holding on for dear life on that fateful drive home? Perhaps he fast forwarded to that space because he knew and approved? A test? Questions that will likely remain unanswered.

    If you haven't heard this check it out, there's a brand spanking new Miller on the archive that reeks of an upgrade. On a similar note, Lemieux has been playing stuff from this tour this year. I recall him referring to it as "a most excellent tour", perhaps foreshadowing things to come?

    To me, the sound is better than some of the 82 that's found it's way to CD.. When the sweet chords of the Wheel finally broke through the madness that came before it.. I realized things were going to be ok after all. And they were. But the half hour before that and the half hour drive home took some time to make sense out of. Thankfully the Wheel and Stella Blue were there to provide support and ground us after our travels.

    I'd like to think we both passed the test. ahh.. well, onward.

    Edit: Two additional comments.. the discord probably started with Feel Like a Stranger, also that Brokedown Palace was sweet. 81 and 82 have some really nice versions of these songs, Jerry's voice was in good shape during this period. a real highlight.

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    I can't honestly say I remember the Pigpen version - despite having the cd of 4/18/70. But that John Lee Hooker record is unforgettable. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds cut a thunderous record based on this theme, and with that title, in the mid 80's.

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    In honor of Jim’s 40th anniversary.
    If you’ve never had the pleasure, grad some nitrous and check it out ; )

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    Sitting courtside under one of the baskets at Warriors/Nuggets game tonight

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    Yes, I am up for the 7/4/90 Kansas show. Looks like there is a 2021 Miller out there. Thanks for the picks.

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    Songs from this show make regular appearances on Sat Radio.

    What's not to like? There's a little hiss on the recording, but it's old and quite rare. A little nugget from history delivered to our mailbox or doorstep.

    The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 documents the most destructive flood in US history affecting 630,000 people. Nice of Pigpen via Johnny Lee Hooker to give it modern day meaning.

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    I’m with ya Doc!

    Nice lil change up. And yasss it was due for a spin.
    Bob getting all Agro with Bear, and “someone go knock on the door and get Pigpen”
    Marmaduke and/or Nelson with sweet harmonies. Pig should have played solo more often…

    Ok, anyone up for extra credit, how bout we heat it up with 7/4/90?
    I’ve never heard this one and am more intrigued by summer 90 after the Dave’s release last year.

    Tomorrow I’d like to request a special pick which I’ll reveal later, if that’s ok?

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 07:21

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Morning.. 2nd cup of coffee (the first strains of IKYR from Feb 26 ’73 play in the background.)

FWB - Just digging in to 1973-02-26 - I can’t remember the last time I listened to this release, I’m thinking it was def underplayed due to it’s incompleteness… I made a playlist to include missing tracks from official release. So far 2/26 is sounding like stellar February ’73 Dead fo sure!

DaveRock - Thanks Man! And I might say the same for you & yours;) Roky rocks!
(it’s actually an Animated Gif, but it’s not animating here..)

Vguy72 - Cpt Crunchy Dead!
You nailed it, I almost changed my Avatar to the Captain based on this comment and it made me LOL, it mighta been the music, mighta been the weed, but that describes 1967-10-22… Crunch-A-Tize Me Cap’N!

Be Well, Play Dead!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 07:56

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2/9 or 2/15 would be a great first release of the year for a Dave's Picks!! Have fun with 2/26 and 2/28!!! bob t

BOB T - I agree about Feb 73!

Like I was saying earlier I hadn’t listened to 2/9 in forever, as it was one of the first SBDs I grabbed when I got back into collecting in say 2009-2010 ish and it was one of the first 5 SBD tapes I ever had back when I was 15.

So I dusted off that way neglected gem a week or so ago as the virus surged and sat in my backyard and took the trip… that show is so amazing on so many levels.

I’d love to see both 2/9/73 & 2/15/73 officially released! (nudge nudge Lemieux)

After that I wanted to hear more Feb 73 and therefore picked DiP V28 for this here get together. About to head into some Dark Star and see where this day goes.

LAF848 - 10/22/67 is GREAT JAMS for Sure, I enjoyed that pick big time. Thanks for that suggestion peeps!

Have fun indeed.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 09:40

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First psychedelic band out of Texas. Not to mention Sir Douglas Quintet. Maybe Sir Doug Sahm was the first.
Watched GD movie last night from “a cave up in he hills”. Those were the days.
Healing thoughts for Bolo and family. Healing thoughts for any Deadheads, GD family who are dealing with some bad cards with this crisis.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 10:44

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But all this Feb 73 talk and right into 2/15/73 Dark Star!! Phil is jamming right now and I can't wait for the the Jerry playing!! so beautiful

He came to England round about 2007. I can't remember a time when I felt so excited waiting to see a performer walk out on stage as I did waiting for Roky. Probably seeing the Dead in 1981 and 1990. But it was quite something, having read all I could about him since the 70s to see him stride out and wave to the crowd. He sounded great, too. He played virtually the whole of that album he made of songs based on horror themes-I Walked With A Zombie, The Creature With The Atom Brain etc. Sadly, the only Elevators song he sang was You're Gonna Miss Me, which was the encore. But what the hell. He came back to do show shortly before he died, but I didn't find out about that one until too late.
Right...I'll leave you in peace now !

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 11:11

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Thank you for the notice that this was on sale at Real Gone! This is one of 11 from the series that I am missing, and of those, a 73 release sounds just exactly perfect (now, if I can only find a decently priced #19...)

Anyway, I am going to wait to listen to this one, so today I have been rocking 4/17/83 Matrix from the Archive. Great, high energy show, sweet jamming, Phil and Brent sound particularly good. Stephen Stills guests in the 2nd set for "Love the One Your With" and sounds terrible, but otherwise it is a pretty sweet show. Here's a link for those interested:

https://archive.org/details/gd1983-04-17.138277.mtx.dusborne.flac16/gd8…

May I suggest Dave's 8 - 11/30/80 Fox Theater for tomorrow's listen? One of the best of the series, and a great show for a Sunday.

Also, I know that we are looking to stick to official releases, but that leaves SO MANY incredible shows just waiting in the LMA... many of which would be new to most. Just sayin...

Peace

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 15:00

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More about fox, animal good
fox news, no good

The good fox it is , the animal ? No, the Theater

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 17:47

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VGUY72 - You should be at just about the masterpiece zone of that there show in Lincoln.

Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step will take you there!

I had a fun time in '73 today, glad you guys brought up these Brendan Byrne Arena (or was it called Meadownlands?) Stephen Stills shows.

I needed to upgrade to the 2017 Miller versions. They sound better than I’ve ever heard them.
Love the Early Bro Esau
Slipknot is great!!
heading into the Playing zone.

Is it me or is ’83 awesome? oh and ’84, ’85, ’87 Oh man… love the ‘80s.
Good Stuff!

Enjoy the ride..

Listened again today. Such a solid release. Sound quality of these two shows from Dick's #28 is outstanding. 73 is so good. Has there been a subpar 73 release? I don't think so. Great groove to this show. First set is stellar. Solid Big Railroad Blues, Loose Lucy. Second set is crazy good. One of my favorite Dark Starsz again really groovy.
Great pick GOGD.

I am in for Dave's 8. Love 1980! Still believe we have a good chance for the fall 1980 box this fall.

Conekid. Cracked into my first Bell's Oberons of 2020. So good. Always taste the best when the season starts.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 04/18/2020 - 20:20

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OTIS - 1980-11-30 sounds fun, I'll plan on it.
You're gonna be happy when you get DiP V28 that was fun to hear again.

1983-04-17 is a killer. I always loved the sloppy LTOYW and used to try and make people listen to my crappy cassette version when I was a teenager. Nobody got it..

I can kinda see why now, Stills is just screaming out of key, I'd like to see Jerry's face during that. Still love it though and the PITB is a favorite.

In regards to 1973-02-26 - Approximately 3 Hours 7 minutes of music currently circulates from what I can tell. The Official Release and 6 Songs that are Missing from the Release but circulate as SBD, 2 songs Missing and not in circulation. When you listen side by side the sound quality of the official release really stands out and it sounds great! SBD is good just not in the same league.

Highlights: Loser (Sweet Susie Verse!), Don’t Ease, BRRB, Tennessee Jed, GSET
Epic: PITB*, Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step
Missing from Release: Box of Rain, China > Rider, BIODTL, Row Jimmy, El Paso (All Good not Great)
Missing from Circulation: Deal, Mexicali Blues (Anybody got them?)

Dark Star > Eyes > Half-Step suite is the stand-out and they build a solid structure on both sides of it while coming and going. Dark Star builds for like 17 minutes before First (and only) Verse, it’s pretty magical and I’ll be listening to that again much more often now.

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

1973-02-28 - Is great too! But.. I’ll save that feedback for another time.

Good Ole Grateful Dead

Be Well, Keep on Rockin' and Remember your Hippie Training Folks!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 08:56

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Nice Deadvikes.
I’ve been going through a lot of Oberon while in quarantine. A beer store I frequent sells cases of 16 oz cans for only about $2 more than a case of 12 oz cans. That works out to an additional 96 oz for only $2 more! Got to be frugal in tough economic times.

Have to mow the lawn and do other yard work today. Will try for today’s pick later today when the jobs are done and I’m having some Oberon. I skipped yesterday’s picks because I listened to them on their anniversaries.

I processed a bunch of torrent files yesterday. They are currently in Sd2f format, will convert to AIFF and ALAC today and put the ALAC files on my music player. Included in the batch is 9-10-83, so I will finally get a listen to that show. Last week I went to process that show but the Miller files I had on a HD were corrupt, so I went and got the Seamons mtx torrent. Also processed other shows from 82, 83, 84. Yeah, I like those years.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 14:44

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Very enjoyable . Had been quite a while since I last heard it. And I have it on my iPod . Strong Bird Song and a chunky 15 minute Playing in the Band.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 14:58

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Just finishing, on UJB.
Wish more early 80’s recordings sounded this good.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 16:32

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It Must Have Been The Roses is a particularly strong version from my recollection. The harmonies are still tight from the Sept./Oct. acoustic and electric shows.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 18:48

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11/30/80 - I agree with WILFREDTJONES nice IMHBTR and ICECRMCNKD on the Sound Qual.
Nice Bird Song, always like L>S>D before Set 2. Scarlet > Fire, Ship was nice, PITB, Wheel & UJB encore all good.

I was inspired to search out some more from '80, dusted off
8/21/80 - Set 2 is off the rails Drums > UJB > Truckin' > Other One > Drums > Wheel > UJB > Sug Mag. Alabama Getaway Encore.
Give that a spin sometime...

I might have to follow CNKD on a 4/17/69 & 4/18/70 revisit. I was eyeballing them the other day while making my pick.

What's the haps on Tomorrow? Anybody got a pick?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 20:12

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What a show! I never get tired of listening to this one. Great first set, Bird Song! Lost Sailor/SOC is really good. Don't anybody fall into the pit. Scarlet Fire. Playing, the Wheel. UJB encore!
We need more 1980 shows for sure. A lot to offer.

WilfredTJones, send us a pick for tomorrow.

Conekid. Cases of Oberon in 16 oz cans, sounds sweet. What do they charge in MI for those?
We only get 12 packs in 12 oz cans in MN and they are typically $18.99.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 20:40

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I will nominate Dick's 20 Disc 2 (9-25-76 set II) and/or Dave's 7 disc 3 (4-24-78 set II Terrapin through Around). Btw, I love that 4-18-70 Cumberland Blues...

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/19/2020 - 21:24

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....works for me!
That Big River from the Fox is out-fuckin-standing btw!!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 07:32

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When I was living in Atlanta I was getting Oberon 12-packs/12-oz cans for $15.99.
Looks like that’s the current price at Meijer in MI.
I’m in Pittsburgh now and the drive thru beer store by my house is selling them for $15.84. That’s a good deal but they didn’t get that much at the start of the season and the last time I was there I think I bought all they had. They probably have gotten more since then, so time to go back. They told me that it doesn’t sell that well, so maybe I’m the only person buying it.
The beer store that I drive past coming home from work (which I’m not currently doing) has the 16-oz cans in 4-packs. I grab a case and it comes to under $38 after tax.

16-oz cans are probably the best deal, but not currently the most convenient for me to get.

Just finished Set 1.. It's cool to hear how much more they've got their swagger back compared to say June 1976.

They sound confident and are rockin'

Good Stuff!

Time for Set 2.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 08:51

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... God, I love a good "Bertha" opener! Maybe my #1 favorite way to open a show... Maybe just a hold-over from my years of listening to and loving Skull Fuck.

Dressed myself in green! (Happy 4/20! - Earth Day too!)

Peace

A double shot of Jerry ballads, back to back. That doesn't happen too often...

Peace

EDIT: Ah, I see that "It's All Over Now" came between them but was edited out for this release. Still, a nice combo, even if it is artificial.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:00

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I’m on Loser now.
The band really does sound a lot different than in June.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:11

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....down the hatch. Highlights? Bertha for sure. Peggy-O and Let It Grow.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 10:20

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...from what I remember, this "Supplication" is pretty great. Yep... confirmed. It is hot!

Other than the first set highlights mentioned by VGuy, I also really enjoyed the "Ramble On" and the "Sugaree" closer. Seems like "Let it Grow" will round out the set, and they play it like it will, but then they drop that rocking "Sugaree"...

I also believe that this is the last "Cosmic Charlie" the band ever played. On Half-Step now...

Peace

Sounds a lot like a ‘77 version.

Maybe to get the full feel of the 76 to 77 transition we should also listen to 12-31-76 then 2-26-77.
Not necessarily today.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:21

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Well, everything is now copacetic for the most part in my little world. The nasty covid nemesis is hopefully in the rear-view mirror. My family members are mostly recovered, my buddy tested negative and his wife's health has vastly improved. Feeling blessed today!

Haven't kept up with the selections here - last listen was DP22. Love me some 1968! We had a vacation home in King's Beach for 30+ years, so I'm quite familiar with that bowling alley. I think Hendrix even played there.

Anyway, I haven't gone back to see who is doing the picks here, so I'll just throw out the first Jerry Garcia Band live album for consideration - the one from the Warfield released in 1991. The whole band just sparkles and Garcia's genius on his instrument is undeniable.

Also, I'm probably going to do a little contest soon for some cool (and valuable!) GD schwag in celebration of the return of good health around here, so stay tuned!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:41

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I'm hip to what you all have been saying and you're all on the money here.

Had to attend to other things, but was def noticing that they were rippin' through Dancin' with a lot more authority & confidence, than the 5 versions I recently listened to from June of '76.

Then yes indeed the last Cosmic Charlie.. bye Charlie! Was real nice to know you... you were always Truckin' in style along the avenue... and that Scarlet was tight, again a signpost to places we can go.

Ahh.. gotta groove to St. Stephen for awhile now.

CNKD I'm down... Love 12/31/76.. that PITB is always welcome. Planning on hitting up 9/28/76 today as well, so we'll see where the day goes.

BOLO24 - Glad to hear all is well in your world! Fun thread you got here.. thank you!
Got all the GD.. but don't have much JGB... but I love Schwag!

Speeding Arrow.. Sharp and Narrow.. this sounds good. Yes it does!

They're having fun with this here showh.. You all have fun too!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:47

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Just a clarification - do you mean the 91 mass-released double album with the painting on the cover, or one of the archival releases?

Also, glad to hear things are looking up!

Peace

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 11:51

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The whole damn thing!

I really liked the Phil-led little jam between Drums and the call back of St. Stephen - then, a joyous Sugar Mags to top it off! But really, this whole set, like many 76 sets, is just one seamless good time :)

Great set, great show, great pick!

My buddy just texted and gave high praise to 4/20/84. I think I may head that direction next.

I hope everyone has a wonderful rest of a Monday! Stay safe, and PLAY DEAD!

Peace

But it’s going to be brief because it’s sunny and blue sky and might hit 60. Going to ride my bike, then have some Oberon in the sun and do some grilling.

If you didn’t see my post on the 76 Box page, Willie Nelson is hosting a 4/20 celebration on YouTube at 4:20 central time.

Yo yo Bolo.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 12:44

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Great news Bolo! I am sure you and the family are relieved.

We have been moving along well with a great group of contributors. Today, still working on the first show from Dick's 20.

I am open for tomorrow.

Be well!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 13:21

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Glad to hear that everyone is on the mend. Prayers answered. Stay cool and distant (6 ft. anyway). Looking forward to your contest.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/20/2020 - 16:49

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Thanks for the kind words, prayers and good thoughts. Y'all are good people, just like most Deadheads I've encountered in my life.

Contest: tomorrow at noon pacific time right here. And I guarantee the schwag will be well worth your effort. The clue is ridiculously easy, just like they always are!