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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • #1241
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    What ever the reason...

    if it turns out to be a mass defect and not just a few unfortunate individual cases, then it’s BS and they should at least investigate if not replace the discs like Jim said. What do they do now when you have a bad disc? ala PNW etc... I believe folks said they would just send discs?
    Fortunately I’ve never had a big problem (perhaps 2 or 3 skips out of hundreds of discs) but I have had some discs that were hard to rip. I have excellent Exact Audio copy ripping SW and never have problems with other manufacturers discs. The 30 Trips music only addition took forever to rip some discs (not because of scratches or other physical anomaly’s). If not for the EAC I probably wouldn’t have been able to rip some at all! Interestingly, these problems have only been with more current rhino releases, NEVER any of my pre rhino Dead releases...
    Back in 86, like Vguy, Sargent Peppers was the second CD I ever bought and though often the master tape used, the digital conversion and mastering on many early discs is lackluster, but at least every single disc from way back then still plays fine. So why then are these relative new discs bad, and why even today, does rhino have so many problems and defects?
    Yes Charlie you have a valid point IF the problems were rare, and if the sample sizes were small, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. It just doesn’t seem like such widespread, repeating issues anywhere else? Maybe the fault rates aren’t that unusual and it’s just because we’re all so vigilant and vocal here, thus we think it’s a bigger problem then normal?
    All I know is these rhino releases are pretty much the only discs I’ve had problems with since 1986 when I bought my first CD player...truly hope this is just another small sample and not a systemic problem or things are going to get weird around here....

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    All my cds were acquired by subscription through deadnet. They were all stored in the same box and it seems like it is only the first 4 Dave s Picks that are a problem. I played Dave s Picks 5 and it is fine, thank goodness, Dave s 5 was stored right next to the first 4.

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    That’s what Rhino used to ‘write’ these CD’s.

    It should come as no surprise that some of the CD’s are bad. Pretty much every release has defective discs that have to be replaced. Some were probably slightly defective but got worse with handling/storage conditions.

    But don’t panic too much yet. Take a CD that now appears defective and make a copy to a HD, then listen to the files. They might be OK.
    I have had it both ways with Rhino CD’s, for example, last year I bought RT Fall 77 when someone pointed out that it was being sold with the bonus disc. All the CD’s played fine on my Onkyo CD player, but were defective when I made copies on my HD. But, each copy on the HD was defective in different places. I used 2 computers and 2 different CD burners to make a total of 7 copies on a HD. I was then able to piece together a complete RT (actually broke up the tracks by date) using the 7 copies, which had defects in different places.

    6-17-76 CD3, notorious for Rhino having to redo the CD twice. My CD3 that had skips and static when played on my Onkyo CD player ripped flawlessly to a HD on the first try.

    Skull Fuck - Golden Road Box, plays fine on my Onkyo but I could never get a good copy on a HD, it always had skips and static.

    I’ll check my DaP’s this weekend to see if they have degraded (I’m back at work this week which is good, but now I don’t get to listen to as much GOGD during the day as I did over the last 2 months).

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    I have a grand piano and guitars. My home is kept between 45-55% humidity all year and the temp. is kept constant between 64 and 72 degrees.

    I purchased all of the discs through Dead.net and am the original owner of all the discs. My DaP discs are kept in their original cases and the amount of play over the life of each disc is less than 30-40 hours on each disc.

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    Yeah, absolutely a mess and a bummer. Given that not all of these 2012 DaP discs seem to have failed, I'm just curious about the storage and handling conditions for the discs that have failed and if they were acquired directly through deadnet or had passed through a few hands on the secondary market. It could very well turn out that deadnet or Rhino made some questionable choices but I haven't seen anything to indicate that at this point, so I'm just reserving judgment on blame. Definitely the stuff of nightmares for an OCD CD collector.

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    I hear that Charlie.. not saying this was a purposeful act, in fact I suspect Rhino might not have even pulled the trigger. I haven't had the time to check my discs yet.. but if all this is true, it is a bit of a mess.

    I look at it more like that bad batch of PVC piping that had to be replaced in everyone's homes or the decade or so the sheetrock from China was subpar.

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    Not playing at all :-(

    My next step after getting through 3 and 4 will be to move on to other players. I should stop reporting now unless others begin to report issues. I have everything digitized but I would love replacement discs! I would not need any packaging! How many think that could really happen?

    Worse things in the world, but...

    Moving on to 3.

  • #1248
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    Wow...

    ...I think of myself as pretty cynical but I'm not seeing the reported disc degradation as evidence of some deadnet/Rhino plot to scam us out of our money for an inferior product. Is it possible some of these discs were stored in poor conditions? Is it possible that even a reliable manufacturer has unforeseen problems leading to failure of the product 8 years later? Is it possible deadnet/Rhino did not just find the cheapest fly-by-night outfit they could find to manufacture these discs? Do they deserve any benefit of the doubt? If I'm ever on trial accused of a crime, I hope you guys aren't on the jury.

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    This is hard to swallow, what can be done about this? I have every one of these Dave's discs and have never opened them, now what, will they play? will they rot? will the sun shine on my back door someday? I have purchased every box set since the europe 72 box and I think I will put them all up on ebay now. what to do about these Dave's? I think I too have bought my last Dave's subscription, what a shame I do love the Grateful Dead so. Funny, I have disc's I purchased in the early 90's that still look and play great, why have these gone bad in just 8 years? Sounds like an investigation is warranted, can we all get a refund for these discs? can anyone who works here or at rhino check on that for us please. Hey Dave, will you address this, they have your name on them, if I was in this position, I would demand an investigation as to why the greatest music ever made has been put on inferior media. Wow, this is real bad for Rhino and Dead net.
    I was right all along, Rhino is a lousy music company. I am done with Rhino. Greed rules again. I guess the only way to keep getting new Dead music is to get a copy from a friend, rip it right away and give it back, that way you get the great music we all love and don't get ripped off in the process. It just doesn't make since, spend all that time to remaster all these releases and then put them on subpar media, who's stupid idea was that? some suit who works at rhino and can only see $ signs? I guess we can all just buy vinyl, or has Rhino put all of that music on faulty media too? Who knows, we might never know but one thing is for sure, Rhino and Dead net just lost a buttload of trust and probably more than one customer. First Trump, then Corona, now Grateful Dead music on shitty discs, the world is truly coming to an end. Oh wait that caveat emptor thing might cover their asses on Dicks picks, is that same caveat emptor on Dave's as well? Don't recall seeing that on any of those.

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    ..but They could replace just the discs and not the packaging without breaking the bank.

    They could even finance it with a special ala cart release like Nightfall of Diamonds. Think of the goodwill that would produce, and in the end it's the right thing to do.

    Three comments:
    - They could replace just the discs.
    - How much was saved by switching to whatever production decision was made to get lesser quality blanks.
    - I suspect this was outsourced and the decision to go cheap was made by whoever they outsourced it to.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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Submitted by wadeocu on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 09:53

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Track list is just exactly perfect!

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Submitted by hsauertieg on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 09:56

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Yay I got here in time to get one of these Dave's Picks plus a cool T-shirt! Cost is not an issue with my stimulus money! Can't wait to hear the Jai Alai Fronton show in HDCD!!! I wanna learn some jai alai moves too, I could use a new hobby.

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:18

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Really looking forward to this one. This is why subscribing is the way to go.

Too soon to request an 80s show for #35?

I've been quarantined for over 5 weeks now. Anything is good news when it comes to music and entertainment.

Hope everyone is staying safe and staying in.

Also...yes...that bonus disc...looks nice.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:21

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Can you really have too much 1974?
No.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:24

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Very happy to see this come alive. We've all been looking forward to this Dark Star since God knows when. I am not familiar with anything else here except for the one and only Let It Rock.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:30

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Only thing that is a bummer about 74, is they only played 40 shows!!!! Daddy I want a golden goose!!! I mean every song from 74!!!!! bob t

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Submitted by estimating prof on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:37

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Happy Spring Fellow Heads,

Hope that everyone is holding up well out there. Beautiful spring day in NorCal today.

I love this show. I dove deep in this one years ago when I was really getting into Dead shows. Haven't listed to it in several years. Gonna be a real treat to crank this version on the home system.

Less familiar with the bonus show but great to see that Dave picked all the heavies off of that one for us. Grinning as I right this. Love me some 1974 Grateful Dead.

Listening has been all over the map in these quarantine times. Ejoying the last Dave's pick, jazz of all sorts, a couple of Yo La Tengo Lps, some tasty old time Appalachian discs, etc. Also been enjoying solo guitar music recently. Two artists that I learned about this year that I think others on dead.net would enjoy are Elkhorn and William Tyler. Tylers instrumental guitar pieces are really fantastic.

Peace to you and yours.

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Submitted by deadegad on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 10:44

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A little bit of gold heading to us during The Great 2020 Shutdown! SpaceBro I could go for an 80s too. In the end, and, when all is said and done, these subscriptions never fail to bring me joy. Thanks Dave and GD.net.

I would want an 80s release from 85 or earlier

86 has little that is Dave's-worthy, unless there were a bunch-in-one, like the BCT run.

87-89 is good and all; 85 or earlier, please.

regardless of my 80s thoughts, I am _psyched_ for 6/23/74 and 6/22/74!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:24

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Putting my 2 cents into the convo about what makes a good show, I would like to say I think an exceptional Dead show occurred when the band played rare songs, were on form and cohesive in their playing, and the jams are smooth and unique. I personally love watching shows where the band are goofing around (Copenhagen clowns anyone?) or just smile as they jam really well are gems in their catalog of live shows 💙

Also...I would love to see some solo, acoustic Jerry shows released (my fav is his tour from '82!). And I can't wait for the new Dave's Picks!

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 11:54

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All web-based sound on my laptop is on the blink, so I can't listen to Dave's rap.

Did he drop any hints or just the usual "more greatness to come"?

Definitely looking forward to blasting DaP 34 when it arrives.

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:05

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Wall of Sound you say? I'm in too! 😁

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Submitted by Peachy on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:10

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Hey now,
Audio quality is absolutely SUBLIME! Jerry's guitar and vocals on To Lay Me Down are stellar and Bobby''s Weather Report Suite is so fresh -it is def not my era of Dead given I got on Bus in Binghamton in 79 on Brent's first tour, but I will give this a really interesting A rating -sound quality is so hard to improve if the board tapes you started with aren't clear and guessing Jai Lai is small lean venue and so they did not crank sound as boxy rooms (well saw Thorogood in a gym once and could not hear words even) and so it wound up giving a better quality audio..anyway so far so good...thx I am looking forward to mail...thx Dave!

been a while, hope everyone is well during these crazy times.

Can't wait for this one to hit my mailbox. 74 is one of my favorite years and this is one of my favorite shows from that year. Music (and wine) has played a big part in keeping my sanity during quarantine. Between the 76 box set, the dead & co and phish shows being streamed online, and everything in between, live music is one thing I look forward to each day. Bummed I won't be able to see a live band again until god knows when but in the absence of that, these shows really hit the spot.

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Submitted by RobbZ on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:22

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Sounds great to these rock-n-roll damaged ears. Keith killing it....All good......

--GratefulGal7277, we need a "Wall of Sound" emoji stat!

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Submitted by Peachy on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 12:24

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Forgot about "the Beast" -too bad they had to abandon it after Parrish was nearly killed driving over night to Texas (if I recall his memoir correctly)...NEVER had benefit of hearing good old "Wall of Sound." but my college roommate used to talk endlessly about it...i think he saw it in Englishtown show 1976 (lucky boy)...I could have seen Dead back in 1976 and 77 but idiot I was in HS thought Dead was country music...lol--well it was a bit...but not more than a bit...

Dave mentioned at the end, not an exact quote, but close, "See you sometime soon, we will have more announcements coming for other releases later in the year."
This came after he discussed #35, #36 and working on ideas for next year's #37.

I still think this leads to a fall box for this year. But who knows. We already know Workingman's Dead and American Beauty are slated for the anniversary release this year, so what could be the other surprise left for 2020?

Be well folks.

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Submitted by nitecat on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 13:52

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Hi guys, I'm considering updating my address for this delivery. I worry that the post office won't forward the release. I'm wondering if this is advisable, and also, how do I do it? Thanks in advance, nitecat.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 13:55

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Early on, I would eat up Dave's release vids. Then I only scrolled to the end to hear whatever tantalizing hint(s) he might drop. After I lost the sound on my laptop, no way I was going to try to lip read.

Aside from WD and AB re-releases (and tasty live '70 material), I would not be greatly surprised if they dished up another (6) June '76 shows.

On my wish list, as always, is more '66-'71 with Pigpen. But close behind is fall '72. I think the 5-6 show box for $150 or less is the sweet spot. I couldn't justify something gargantuan in this period of complete financial uncertainty.

Okay, be well everyone.

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Submitted by FiveBranch on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 14:35

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My usual Dark Star listenings happen when I find myself with a half hour or so with absolutely nothing to do and not a thing planned. That's when they seem to sound their best. Needless to say, in the past month I've listened to more Dark Stars than what I would typically listen to in an entire year. Looking forward to including Jai Alai Fronton's (followed by Spanish Jam > US Blues, of course).

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 14:43

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Hey Nitecat - we moved back in September of last year, I had similar anxiety. I contacted deadnet customer service, providing the order number that was in the queue and asked them to confirm the new address back to me after explaining the situation, which they promptly did. Never had to worry, everything has made it to me since. This was in conjunction with completing an online Post Office forwarding notification. You should get an email confirmation from that.

https://www.usa.gov/post-office#item-37197

Be well people.

Sixtus

P.S. Dead & Co. Summer tour officially canceled. As of this afternoon. Not all that surprised.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 14:49

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One of the best months in one of the best years. With several shows from earlier, and just past (6/26, 6/28) these two shows already released, I can feel the pull forward from Europe 72.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 15:25

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I moved twice in 2018 and didn’t have a problem getting my DaPs.
I responded to the order confirmation email for my DaP subscription and gave them my new address each time.

In 2018 3 of 4 DaPs went to different addresses and I didn’t have any problems. Glad it wasn’t 2019 when I moved because I probably wouldn’t have received the last 3 releases.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 16:00

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Wow, what a treat. We are lucky fans.

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 16:29

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Hey y'all
How do I subscribe to Dave's picks? I want to preorder and also get the extra disc.

The 2020 subscription period is sold out.. the 2021 subscription period starts I think in early November?? and usually runs into late December, early January. ..so it's too late for this year, in fact Dave's Picks 32 (the first of four picks) is long gone already.. Thanksgiving is prime time to order.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 16:51

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Get on the email list so that you will know when new releases and the DaP subscription are available.
The annoying yellow box that pops up on the lower right corner saying “get on the list” is where you sign up. If you purchase anything from this site you will probably start receiving emails that way too.

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Got 2020 Subscription - Keeping fingers crossed they get this
Volume to me since I didn't get the first one. Please send good vibes my way.
Tim

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Submitted by LedDed on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 18:31

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I saw this release at work today, and was going to jump on and tell everyone how great a show it is, because I have it already, on a decent-sounding unauthorized cd boot I got off ebay or somewhere. I remember spinning it a couple of times in the car, and it always stuck in my mind because that was the venue where Tommy Bolin played his last show opening for Jeff Beck.

Alas, the illegal boot in question is 12/12/78 Jai Alai Fronton. Stellar concert, but... not this.

So I'm totally stoked to get more great sounding 70's Dead. Best decade for everything ever, the 70's. Looks pretty goddamn good these days, doesn't it?

die letzten funf:

Rival Sons - Feral Roots
Rock Candy Funk Party - We Want Groove
Al Di Meola - All Your Life (A Tribute To The Beatles)
Van Halen - Diver Down
The Animals - The Best Of Eric Burdon And The Animals

Not everyone listens to whole albums these days. The lost art of album listening.

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I agree with ICECRMCNKD. Getting a subscription has become the only way to fly. Buy it and forget-about-it. However seeing these "SOLD OUT" banners with-in the first few seconds of the on-sale day is cruel. The Dave's subscription is the equivalent of what "TicketBooks" were in the 80's. Pay one fee and your in every show of the tour. And these were great floor seats in Jerry or Phil zones or in-front-of soundboard or Tapers section, and usually next-to the the same heads every time.

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Submitted by sskatz21 on Tue, 04/21/2020 - 21:13

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I was at these shows and have great memories especially from this Sunday show, the second night. I was a student at The University of Miami and these were the first show I went to with my brother, who turned me on to The Dead. I also remember an amusing thing from that night. Leading up to the shows, there were the usual ads on the local FM radio channel announcing the shows. On the ad, they played a few seconds of Truckin' , Sugar Magnolia and one other song. After the show, I turned to two guys behind us and said something like wow wasn't that a great show. They responded "Yeah, but they didn't play any of the songs from the commercial".
Can't wait for my copy to show up. I haven't listened to this show in a while

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 01:44

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I too have been on a listening binge of his stuff. Somebody who knows him used to post here at one time. One of my favs.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 04:13

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...that would be me. If you haven’t listened to his new album he just released on multiple media sources. Vinyl records, CD and downloads, Tribute to the Beatles! Primo album, al been working on it for a long time now. I’m so happy and grateful to have watched & and heard all the stages of this last album come to be made & released! If your a fan of ALS music or even the Beatles , I highly Recommend seeking this new album out! Have a grateful day 🙏❤️😎

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 05:47

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Fall '72

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Submitted by unkle sam on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 06:30

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First off, Happy Earth Day everyone, looks like the earth is getting a break this earth day, maybe the only good thing about the virus. Being a retired horticulturalist I have planted my share of trees and shrubs and flowers and this virus is not going to stop me from doing what I do every Earth Day, plant another tree. Lately I have been planting fruit trees, apples and cherry and peach, but in the past I have planted many a different kind of tree, from ornamental trees to flowering trees to oak trees, it's all good, they are the front line in keeping the atmosphere clean. I usually buy a tree from a nursery or garden center, but this year, I have started an apple tree from seed and it is now late enough in the year to take her outside and plant her with her other brothers and sisters that I have planted in the past. Yes, it's a little baby, but from this one seed, I will get a beautiful, flowering, fruit producing tree in about 7 years. Seems like a long time, but when I look back at the other trees I have planted, and enjoy the flowers and fruit from them, I know that eventually, this one will also produce flowers and fruit if not for me, for others to enjoy for years to come. It's easy to start a seed, just takes some patience to get it to the planting in the ground stage, but it is worth it when years down the road, you get to bite into that beautiful fruit.
I have had a copy of this Miami show from 74 for years, having lived in Florida for over 38 years, I have seen some shows in a Jai Alai Fronton, just not this show. I caught Little Feat with Lowell in 78 at the Fronton in Orlando, caught U2 when they were unknowns at the same Fronton in 79. The Fronton in Miami is the largest one still operating and seats about 5100 people. What a great place to see a show and I can imagine this show was a real killer. The playing area is surrounded by 3 very tall walls and the audience looks on from the side with the front of the court being to the audiences right and the back of the court to their left. The three sides of the court are padded which makes for great sound acoustics. Back in the 70's I knew some guys in the service who bet on these players and they had a system. They would watch the players, they would give "tells" of who would win and in what order by bouncing the ball in sequences like 2 bounces, then hold, then 3 bounces, etc... They had spotters in the audience that would take these ques an run with them to the betting window and place their bets, winning some pretty good sums of money. If you knew these guys, you could get in on the fix, if not, it was all just luck to pick a winner and very seldom did a novice win. How my friends did it was they would watch the audience and the betting window, usually these spotters would come up and bet at the last possible minute and if you were behind them in line, you placed the same bet as they did. Worked for my friends more than 50% of the time. Of course, that was 40 some years ago and most of those old cheaters are long gone now. It was a very fast game and it could be over before you knew it, just that fast sometimes. That ball was very hard and if it hit you, you knew it, hence the Cesta was made out of wicker and had a padded glove on the inside to take the sting out of fielding that ball. Saw a few players get hit with the ball, you could tell it hurt, it would put those guys on the ground. After a while, the sport lost it's charm for me and I quit going, but it was fun for a while. I prefered concerts in those little arenas ever since. This is a killer show, and the bonus disc is the cherry on top, and that limited edition t shirt is very nice, love the back design. This shirt will sell out in no time, along with the remaining discs. I highly recommend this show and the shirt, get them while you can.

Did Rhino find the right number of copies, or is there 74 burn-out because of the PNW Box?

Well, if that 80’s pick for DaP35 sells out right away we’ll know that it is 74 burn-out.

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