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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Great.. just great

    So I saved.. squirrelled, pinched pennies for 45 years and finally dropped the dime on my dream system I have been planning for all these years. I went completely with Fender Amps on the recommendation of some guy named Hal and now I read this.

    What are these McIntosh items of which you speak?

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    That is Gold Jerry

    OB- Kenny Ban??. The Fatigues episode.

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    Man I wish I had time….for anything lol
    I’ll try to check some more of these audio anomalies out this WE.
    Hit me with examples if ya got em.

    Ive noticed this phenomenon with other recordings, think mostly 71-72s.
    Definitely could be tape degradation and/or perhaps a little oversaturated originally, but I think there’s amp distortion going on too? They were still mostly using dirty fender power at this stage. So like any real Rock and roller by the end of the night the amps are on 11 etc and with those old tube power sections/power supplies their easy to overdrive.
    By 73 they had pretty much fully switched to big McIntosh power amps, though they were still using the Fenders for pre amps. Like your pre amp at home though, you wouldn’t be pushing the pre amp that much (let the power amp do the heavy lifting). Think overworking a small car engine versus barely stepping on a big V8.
    Could be compromised cabling somewhere. Could be dirty and/or insufficient venue power too? That’s the problem with E lic tri city though, could be a number of things. Probably a bit of all the above…

    Yep BC, glad your digging the nice February weather. These days where it’s sunny and up in the 30s, “it’s gold Jerry, gold I tell ya! I should try to check out the ole St Louie, Louie, box, another I’ve barely been introduced too.
    Hoping 🤞I might be getting a little quality time off soon.

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    The '72 shows from the not quite the Fox Box have been in and out of the disc drive several times the past few weeks. All great for sure. I know first run through that it was the 10/19 jam that really kinda floored me. Yesterday listening to 10/18 again with the sound quality question in mind. One thing that struck me was that Keith sounded muddy and almost sort of kind of out of tune. I pay a lot of attention to Keith's playing, especially the "earlier days." Something was off and my guess was it was a SBD thing, how he was miked, and not Keith. (Edit - or as Jim suggests maybe some tape degradation.) Bobby's guitar also sounded a bit fuzzed in a recording artifact kind of way, though not unpleasant in any sense. But none of that stopped me from a thoroughly enjoyable listen. There was a point during the Dark Star where I was suddenly in a zone of complete wonder - a place that reminded me of my first deep "now I understand" listen to the Rotterdam Dark Star (on my weird balance SBD many many years before the box.) A really very cool place to be inside the music. So yes, that Disc 2 is some serious magic. One thing struck me as funny is Donna's yell in the Playing Reprise. I have no issues with her singing in those early days, truly dig it. And that Donna Playing ROAR was maybe the most primal vocalization I've ever heard from her. She was feeling the "Holy Spirit" big time!! Loved her quick soft little "Thank you Thank you Thank you" after it was all said and done. Another truly epic jam sequence.
    Listening to 10/19 Disc 1 right now this morning. Keith is hard right - i think he was slightly left of center 10/18. A little lower in the mix, tone sounds better to my ear. I'd have to do a hard A / B to be sure that my thoughts are correct on that. Now on Sugaree and Keith's piano and Jerry's vocals have now moved to center of the sound stage. I think Keith sounds a little better than 10/18 but still a tiny bit muffled? Maybe its my brain, who knows.
    Thanks DV for suggesting 10/18 awhile ago. I feel like these are my first really good deep listens to the '72 shows from that box. Like you said, great stuff. I ran through '73 a week or so ago and need to revisit that. At the time I remember thinking that the '72 resonated with me more and given that '73 is generally a big fat sweet spot for me I know that my head may have been ever so slightly out of alignment.
    To echo KeithFan over on the 45 thread - I'm really really digging Dave's 45. Spectacular sound. Great playing. Boy are we some lucky Deadheads. It was 10/1 Set II that really got me first run through. The Black Peter is so freaking gorgeous. And then the "random current" of that CB or whatever for a couple seconds and its like oh my freaking goodness. I can only laugh. Really, Universe? I first heard 1/31 NOLA last year while exploring a little around the 2/6/70 Fox (personal favorite.) I remember being very pleasantly surprised to find that they played that acoustic set. I think every single acoustic set they have in the vault needs to be released. Gave 1/31 acoustic another run through Sunday morning. Woke up from a short nap late Sunday afternoon and had Sawmill chorus running through my head again and again. I"m like "What is this song? where do I know it from? Oh Yeah, Bobby sings it on 1/31!" Talk about a poor boy, talk about a poor boy, let me have a dollar bill.
    Nice Poster Oro!! Your first show! Glad that the Almanac shone a light on your post - hadn't seen it. Another beautiful day here in paradise. Always loved this time of year in the high desierto. Onward!!

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    I have to revisit this.. but I think I recalled thinking something similar and attributed it to someone spinning the master reel a couple times too many before they locked it away. All three nights are good, but 10/18 is probably my favorite of the bunch, it would not surprise me a bit that someone on the inside thought so too. That and the BCT shows a month and a half earlier are both special runs from a special year.

    For kicks and giggles.. check out the Morning Dew from 5/26/72 at the Lyceum from the E72 box and then listen to it from the version on Europe 72. There is static on the box set version where the original sounds crystal clear. The masters degrade especially when people with two left thumbs (like me) handle them. A lot of the early shows suffer from this, listen to 4/18/70 (the Mountain Girl returned reels) sound and frankly a lot of 69.

    Well, at least someone remembered to hit record. Didn't Sony or one of the other music houses have their entire archive burn down a decade or so ago? Image the horror if GD masters were lost in a fire.🔥🔥🔥😭

    Been gone a bit lately.. spending quality time in the hospital with my aging parents. They seem to be on the mend though, which puts me back home and in good spirits. I hope to participate more as I get back on line with work and fun.

    Thanks for keeping the train a rollin' guys.

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    Listen to the River 72

    Thanks for looking into it OB.
    I have noticed it on all three CDs from 10/18. I don't hear it on 10/17 or 10/19, which I think are both smoking!

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    I only listened to disc 2, but yeah, now that you mention it…
    Seemed to get more noticeable near the end?

    I notice occasionally on 71-72s…some is just the actual distorting of the amps from playing loud…

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    Hey OB, did you notice any distortion on 10/18?

    I think 10/17 and 19 sound spectacular.

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    Hit 10/2/77, thinking set one of 11/6 for comparison and/or jam section of 10/18/72 since y’all were sniffing around there recently I believe?
    Representing DV after my 15 seconds of fame lol.
    Poster came to me outta left field like much of the better things GD over the years!
    In 85 I believe my cousin saw it somewhere, snagged it, then later gave it to me for Xmass.
    One of my most prized possessions.

    EDIT: first set of 11/6 rocks, definitely a difference.
    10/18/72 Disc 2, Magnifico! That’s just what the Dr ordered!

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    The warehouse, okay what was this venue? Recording is really good. As you said OB, raw is a good way to describe it, until the equipment blew.
    Enjoyed the show, good Dire Wolf, Big Boss Man, Morning Dew. Different acoustic songs in the mix to close the show. Interesting show.
    Thank you Doc.

    Like the new picture OB. Sweet poster. I hear you on the work front. Hard to squeeze them in sometimes.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 06:56

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Cool! This is a pick that I have not spun since its release. I am not a huge fan of 78 in general (though the July Box is great,) but I remember thinking that this one was better than I was expecting. Anyway, I am looking forward to diving in and giving it some fresh ears! If I recall, I preferred the 1st set to the 2nd on this one, but I'll reassess today.

BOLO - I threw my (most likely erroneous) hat in the ring and sent you a PM.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 07:03

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I've never heard that before! That made a really nice warm-up for the day, making coffee, and watching the sun come out listen! Thank you! I especially loved the "Gomorrah" - what a gorgeous tune and what a great version!

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GRATEFULGAL7277 - Thanks for suggesting Jerry's only solo acoustic show! I plan to give that a spin today for sure.

Bootleg notes.. A lone voice in the crowd shouts out "Maestro" and that about sums it up!

Supposedly Jerry was terrified and never did it again, the show fills a nice gap in a hot Spring '82 GD tour.. Bob & Jerry would play Letterman together 3 nights later. Love this stuff!

I'm with OTIS - '78 can run pretty hot or cold and the set lists tend to be a bit pedestrian, I don't think I gave this release a lot of attention, it probably got a listen and then I moved on to the next thing.

But from the sounds of the Opening Bertha > Good Lovin' through.. I'm up to Tennessee Jed, this sounds like a hot one! I think most of April is real good?!?

It's gonna be a good day to listen to the Dead!

PS - BOLO24 did you get my guess?
I tried to send a PM with my Fixable Foot Show Guess, being new at this participation thing and all, message system is kinda hooky... Can't tell if it got sent to you or not?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 07:58

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Bertha> Good Love rocks, Candyman LLR was nice, rest of set 1 was just okay,

Lazy Supp. nice jam, Estimated>Eyes was nice, Drums into NFA love that, Wharf Rat Sugar Mag
OMSN blow out.

Nashville is a fine choice for a revisit, anniversary no less! Cool cover art also, psychedelic river boat and Wharf Rat. Anybody looking for an excellent paddlewheel side trip should take a listen to the album Mark Twang by the late great John Hartford. Gratefulgal - def will check out the solo Jerry show. I saw tail end of a Garcia & Kahn show a couple months later at Auditorium Theater in Chicago. Rowdy happy crowd. End of show, people yelling for Jerry to play Ripple. Then someone yells out loud and clear -"Play what you want!" Jerry looks up, says "Thank you!" and then plays Ripple! As to "Fixable Foot" - i got nothing Bolo.

I'm glad you enjoyed. I love the Gomorrah as well! I think the announcer saying "This is a rare musical experience" is very true for this show. Going Going Gone is also hauntingly beautiful.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 08:37

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....i provided two guesses. Both wrong. I have no idea.
Working today, so unable to listen to the physical Nashville, so firing up a Miller SB of the Archive.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 08:43

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Rare Musical Experience indeed!

I think that's John Scher (promoter) doin' that introduction.

There's a couple of videos of Rubin & Cherise (Spelling seems to be subjective) & Ripple floating around on the interwebs.. They'll definitely bring a smile to your face.

Jerry!

I wonder if the whole set / both sets video is out there somewhere?

I'm diggin' this! Thanks for the tip..

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:04

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I sent a reply to your PM - I hope that it went through this time. I don't know what happened to the first one.

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:05

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Thank you so much! So cool to see Jerry playing! That song is one of my favs from that set so that was a real treat!

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:06

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I sent my answer in last night! I can't wait to see what show it is, such an interesting hint!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:13

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Synchronicity

Thanks for the mention > triggered some research > stumbled on video > had to share.

Love that song too, and haven't heard this show in years and years.. so good!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:25

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Yay Work! The economy needs you.

Let us know what you listen too.. maybe we'll join you.

Not working & shit, but in spirit you know?

BTW Miller has been dropping some nice Don Pearson Cassette Master Upgrades lately... there's some freshies out there! Especially if you like 1989, 90 & 91... 9/26/91 comes to mind.. I know that run gets pretty panned by history and in McNally's book, but I dug that show the other day... for '91 sounded pretty sweet.

Best wishes.

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Submitted by pkb on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:24

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I sent my guess to your inbox. This is my first time sending a message, so I hope I did it correctly.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:47

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Me too, Looks like PM aren't working.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:54

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Rocking Bertha>Good Lovin! Very nice Candyman (what a great song! This version is stellar.) Donna sounding great on LLR. Tenn Jed - why so sllllooooowwww? It is such a great tune, but at this pace, it is a bit of a bore. Jack Straw is pretty standard, Peggy-O is always welcome, and this one is pretty good- Jerry's singing is solid. Minglewood is high-energy, rock-star Weir, and Deal closes things out nicely. Overall, I enjoyed it... It does get dragged down in the middle of the set with Tenn Jed serving as the the third "slow" tune in a row, then followed by an average Jack Straw and another slow tune Peggy-O. Miglewood and Deal bring the energy back up, but neither are "must-hear" versions, IMO. Overall, a solid 7/10.

"That's it, we quit." Sounded like Bob was actually kinda pissed!

Now onto Set II...

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:58

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I received a PM from Bolo saying that he did not get my original, so it looks like PMs are working (at least in some capacity.)

I replied to his PM, but have yet to hear anything. I think my problem was that the site didn't recognize that I had sent the message to Bolo. The original is in my Messages folder, but I am the only recipient. I know that I typed his username into the "To:" portion, but for some reason, it didn't register.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:59

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In honor of our newest release, do to ship in a week may I suggest
a trip to June '74 with Dick's Picks Vol 12. 6/26 - 6/28 1974.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:04

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PM Resent, this one includes you on the thread.. so I think it worked.

LMK and Thanks!
Best,
The GOGD

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:06

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I like the idea of some '74 pre-partying.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:14

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Have now received the missing messages.

No winner yet, although That's Otis was on the right track - he just needed to try a "little bit harder, just a little bit more, a little bit further than he gone before."

EDIT: No, "The Wheel" isn't in the setlist.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:28

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Thanks Bolo24!

Dang it.. I knew my attempt was weak 😬 🌹⚡️🌈

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:20

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Garcia's solos on virtually every song of that JGB 91 release were immaculate. Whether slow, fast, bluesy or funky, each song was performed darn near flawlessly. Melvin and David were beasts on their respective instruments, with the ladies adding beauty to the vocal palette. A great latter-day release!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:39

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Had not listened to this show in a long time. Also on my iPod . Lazy Lightning - Supplication was exciting.
Happy Earth Day 50 today. Was at Central Park bandshell for first Earth Day celebration 50 years ago when I 16. Saw the Jefferson Airplane play a free concert a few weeks later at the same venue.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:48

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Hiya Bolo! Sent another PM your way... (fingers crossed!)

Set II for today's listen has been delayed (how is it that I seemingly have more work when I am not at work?!?) Anyway, about to walk the pups and start dinner. Set II will have to be my cooking jams for the night :)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 14:04

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Dave's Picks #15. One more Saturday night in Nashville. Damn right! Like Otis and Strider, I don't listen to this one often, but I should. I usually pull 4/24/78, Dave's #7.
But this wonderful exercise is forcing me to listen to these shows again in full.

Nice first set, yes Otis, that New Minglewood blues really rocks. Bob definitely kicked it up a notch on this one.
I have to say I really like Deal, however, this version and other 78 versions with Donna's high pitch squeal of Deal, just makes me want to turn it off. Sounds like yodeling.
Second set is sweet, great start and I like the Estimated, but Jerry kind of wanders a bit in these 78 versions. Really good Eyes, love the Wharf Rat and great finish with Sugar Magnolia and One More Saturday Night.

These picks have been fun for me people. Thanks!

I think Conekid maybe had some suggestions for next picks? I have a few more as well, but I will wait until others get some more in.

Oh, one more thing, I believe we will be getting another early April 78 release soon.

Be well folks!

Edit, sorry I didn't see Dicks #12. Rats, another one I don't have.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 14:43

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At this point, it's fairly apparent that the odds of someone solving this riddle based on the sole clue provided are pretty low. On a positive note, some of the guesses have been quite clever and somewhat entertaining!

So, below you'll find a further (furthur?) clue. A consolation prize will go to the first accurate guess. I'll save the better goodies for a future giveaway. Again, show your work, one guess per screen name.

Here it is:

2 word anagram, no leftover letters.

Good luck!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 15:49

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"guesses have been quite clever and somewhat entertaining!"

Bolo, I bet you pissed your pants when you saw my answer.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:05

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....holee shit Garcia! Tell us how you really feel!! As Jim Carrey said in The Mask, "Smokin!!"

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:48

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I'm still trying to figure out Liberace on a ostrich running in a garbage dump in Virginia from last year... I guess i need easier clues, like Alpine Valley is in this state!!! Just kidding... bob t

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:55

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Yeah Deadvikes, the pick I was holding on to is 8-13-75. I was looking for a reason to listen to the vinyl copy I have.
But we don’t have to listen to it this week.
Alternatively, maybe we need to throw in a more modern show at this stage of the game. Say, something with Bruce?
Maybe spiced up with some Branford in honor of his father being taken by Covid?
9-10-91 for tomorrow?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 17:05

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....what was up with that clue last year involving Liberace??
EDIT. 9.10.91 for Thursday? Okee-dokey. I'm easy to please.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 17:52

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Milton the Toaster was a spokesman! Just kidding i have not even come close to guessing a riddle of yours.... be safe everyone... bob t

Well..... That narrows it down.

Narrows it down to what show?
I, for one, do not know.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 19:14

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I can think of at least six shows that fit this bill. The US Festival in 82.. a few Fillmore East shows, Sunsplash '82 and of course the Closing of Winterland just to name a few. None of them contain fixable feet anagrams though.

I think all the clues are carefully documented if you take a magnifying glass and do a deep dive on Blotter Art. That's all I've got. Be safe all.

http://www.key-z.com/special.html

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 22:18

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So, as the whole family is extremely fortunate and working from home and going to school, my 11 year had a very asoute observation. I have been working in our basement and playing a ton of GD. I don't do the headphones due to fear of hearing issues (yes, might be old lame reasoning). "Your music is so loud and annoying." Of course I said, "No it is not and if it was why do you always dance every time you hear it and sing along?"

"I don't like it, it is just stuck in my head."

For AJS and Carlo, Jerry! Jerry Garcia!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 04:17

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Grateful Dead music is highly infectious before you no it you can have symptoms like singing out loud dancing around collecting massive amounts of live shows.

ps. 6/28/74 To Lay Me Down last Jam almost blew my walls out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 07:41

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About to fire it up.

Deadvikes, don’t let those kids push you around.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 07:55

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https://archive.org/details/gd1991-09-10.mtx.amdig.gems.98132.flac16/gd…
....just started. At work again today, so i will be pausing it here and there, but I'll make in though.
On a side note, the mayor of Las Vegas embarrassed the shit out of herself and our city during an interview on CNN yesterday. Holy cow. I just put both my hands in my head and shook it. Technically, i live in Henderson, so she's not MY mayor. Lol.
Avatar changed accordingly for todays listen.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 08:40

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Hey there!

I've enjoyed reading the back and forth and tripping through these live Dead picks. It's like a smorgasbord:)

Follow Up on Yesterdays listening & comments:
4/22/78 - I agree with everything you all been laying down in regards to that pick and don't have anything better to add, nice work! It was fun to dust it off.. I think it might get dusty again.

4/10/82 - Jerry Acoustic, man is that a treat! Both sets, so intimate and special, flawed and personal. Kinda like the maestro himself a multi-faceted jewel.

I took a detour along the route to today and I'd highly recommend it -
4/22/77 - What a killer show!

After tripping through June '76 box set & DiP V20 - 9/25 & 9/28/76 followed by DaP V15 - 4/22/78 this show lands right in the middle and gives them a run for their money.

The 1st show of the legendary Spring Tour, an AMAZING 20 minute PITB to close Set 1, The 2nd ever FOTM, 1st ever Mojo. It's definitely worth the trip. And... it's so cool to hear the difference between 1976 & 1978. Ever changing ever evolving. It's the same band, but it's not. Check out the solo in IMHBTR (playing right now), wow Good Stuff! The launching point for some of their most legendary shows that will follow in the next coming weeks. This show feels like it's a bit off the radar, can't remember really settling into it before, probably collected in a fever to get everything and.... well check it out!

Alright, sounds like today is packed with more good listening suggestions -
1991-09-10 - 30 Trips
1974-06-26 & 1974-06-28 - DiP V12

I've got my work cut out for me, but I'm hip to the challenge.

Be Well you all and keep the good times rolling!