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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Oroborous
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    Spinning 12/9/71. Yet another neglected box : (
    Prolly hit last disc of 10/10 too.

    Really enjoyed 12/6/92 at work Thursday. This one will need more love at some point!
    12/11/92 at work Friday. Good, but not quite 12/6. Sorta typical slightly mellow start with build up as she goes…
    Oh yeah, Friday I finished out my shift down the mine with that blazing first set from 4/8/85!

    10/21/83: think we did this recently with Doc throwing down an 83 show!
    I’d heard it, but not HEARD it until this spin!

  • icecrmcnkd
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    I’ll throw out a pick

    12-10-71
    Because it’s the anniversary, and the STL Box is still awesome.

    I actually listened to 12-10-71 in its entirety on vinyl last weekend and it sounded grate.
    So, listening to 12-9-71 now because I didn’t listen to it yesterday.

    Yesterday I listened to 12-9-81 for its anniversary.

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    Prize

    Or as they say on the Price is Right

    "A NEW CAR"

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    Prizes are like butterflies, colorful butterflies that fly away…

    Good day, fellow rockers…….

    First and foremost, I would like to thank TPTB for the shout-out about my post concerning the oddities associated with the December 2, 1971 Boston Music Hall show. That was very sweet, and unexpected. So it seems you DO read these threads after all…..

    I bitch, I moan, I complain, but never doubt that I appreciate all you do, all the music that’s been released, and all the music that’s been preserved and may some day be released. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you!!

    I never totally gave up my playful inner child, that quiz came from that spot in my brain that will never be extinguished. I thought more folks might take a crack at it. Honestly, it’s a tough nut to crack, unless you’ve read my unpublished but somewhat widely circulated 1971 opus (lol that’s a hint to anybody out there who might need/want that). It was all right there….well….two thirds of it anyways…..

    In regard to 12/2/71, the answers are:
    1) It was the only 1971 show with both Smokestack Lightning and Turn On Your Lovelight.
    2) It was one of only two 1971 shows with both Brokedown Palace and Black Peter. The other was October 19….
    3) It was unusual for 1971 shows in that there was no Truckin’, Other One, or Dark Star.

    And I must admit, there may be more oddities about this show than I originally appreciated. As pointed out to me by many observant Deadheads, there is the “Name That Tune” tune after Sugar Mags (the Dead did many somewhat similarly classified “tuning ditties” between songs, so maybe why I overlooked that one?) and the unusual, possibly unique second set sequence of NFA/Lovelight/GDTRFB/NFA. Thanks to all who were paying attention!!!

    Perhaps we’ll play again later this year, until then,

    Rock on, and go primal!!!

    Doc
    As for me, prizes are nothing, my prize is my work….
    P.S. Nobody won, but the prize would’ve been any 25 shows of your choosing…..just tryin' to spread the music....

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    Looking at 10/21/83 from the 30 Trips box for tomorrow. Hope you all can squeeze it in.

  • Oroborous
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    …Juxtaposition between 68 and 92 Dead.
    12/7/68 was pretty cool with great set lists including of course the one and only Rosemary and all that youthful exuberance!
    12/5/92 definitely has a much different energy/feel, but much more professional sounding all around!
    I enjoyed both comparatively to other shows from their respective years, but it’s kinda pointless to compare them to each other. Thought 92 started out kinda slow which is not unusual for the time, but built up nicely as it progressed.
    68 they come right outta the gate with a decent Dark Star and rarely let up!
    Two completely different shows that illustrate just how prolific and versatile this band beyond description is!
    Shooting for 12/6/92 to start today off…

    Yep BC, I think we’ve reached some kind of tipping point. Nobody seems capable of doing/completing anything anymore!, and worse, they don’t give a shit!
    feel your pain! After a month and a half I still can’t get a lousy estimate to fix my car!
    Towed it there almost three weeks ago. Was told it should only take a couple days for an estimate, after nothing for a week, I mailed em a week ago Monday, no reply, no calls nothing! I go in this past Monday after being patient for two weeks “oh yeah we’re going to get to it today”, now end of the week, nothing…it’s like the whole world is so short handed, burned out and out of give a fucks! Like, we don’t care, and we don’t care if we lose business either…
    And don’t even think about complaining! Passive aggressiveness is another widespread pathology of these modern times too!
    Meanwhile up here as the clueless tourons roll in by the thousands, we’re on the CDCs no bueno list and yet everyone just keeps on like nothings happening!
    WTF happened to people?
    Ok, sorry, Debbie downers headed down to the mine now and thank goodness for the GOGD!
    ONWARD, through the snow and fog! (Shoveled another foot and it’s still snowing)
    Am I miserable, yes, yes I am lol.

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    That must explain the timing and overlap of the posts this am. I didn't see docs and dvcvt's until now.. I'm switching gears and hitting 68, maybe fitting in one of Striders tonight and the other tomorrow.. which gets us to one of the Alaska shows I think..

    So we have a bit of listening to do. Hope everyone's having a good day. Big fun here.. water water everywhere, a big adrenaline day with no carniage whatsever. 62 degrees here in December. Crazy.

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    Thanks again BC

    From my same disorganized batch.
    I must have slipped it in with the 3 Rockin' the Cradle discs.
    I had a ton of stuff donated to me that were in those single paper/cellophane sleeves and I transferred it all to heavier cardboard covers that hold 4 discs each (Ironically they are Muzac subscription covers from a ski shop I worked at that would discard them when the new ones came in - "Creating experiences with audio architecture" LOL) and clearly I was stoned when I "reorganized" and relabeled their new covers. My initial impression of The Cradle wasn't so great apparently as I'm not sure I've even listened to it twice. Got to remedy that too as '78 is my year. Another mystery solved by the sleuth BC! Thanks again.
    Cheers and happy listening today

    Today's Dead related trivia: Was looking up Stanley Mouse and did not know he had done stuff with Big Daddy Ed Roth in the monster's driving fast cars art era. Article said he lost a suit against Pixar-Disney over copyright infringement over the characters Mikey & Sully in Monsters Inc. which he claimed they took from one of his ideas.

    Edit: The new icon is the new boy cats from the shelter. Name suggestions? No, not Bob & Jerry.

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    Maybe some confusion? R.T. Vol.1, No.4 is From Egypt with Love - taken from October '78 Winterland shows. Rocking the Cradle is the Egypt box. I still need to revisit that From Egypt With Love Road Trips - I was trying to track down the discs scattered through my collection a little while ago and 1 is still MIA.

    I hear you with with the lack of nearby places to have certain work done, sort of the price for living a long ways from a true metro area. For me it's auto work. As luck would have it I just drove an insane distance to have a truly critical repair done in a correct and timely fashion and guess what. Everything was going just exactly perfect until it wasn't and something else got screwed up right at the tail end, that as it turns out they could not immediately fix. So I get to make that drive again this Friday and hope they can get it right this go around (and I'm not fully confident right now.) Ouch.

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    Still trying to get to the Rockin' the Cradle bonus.
    Good chance today w/ snow and cold weather.
    Only got partial listens on the '79 & '80 recommendations.
    Stupidly missed the '92 Phx. (Gila Resv.) shows in person. Doh! What was I thinkin'? But I got 1 show each of the '90 and '94 versions. The '90 outshone the '94 by a wide margin with Bruce there in '90.
    Interrupted by a system failure. Had to tear apart the stack. Switched on the bedroom stereo and no lights on the tuner. I've listened to CPR Classical every night at bedtime for a couple of years and now my mellow blue glow of incandescent bulbs (LEDs suck, way too bright) on the Pioneer silver face are missing. Really messing me up. And no tech in town! They've all died or moved to bigger markets. Asking all my local network who still toys with electronics in their basement shops. May have to drive 65 miles and drop it off with the only known repair shop. Two trips in winter, argh.
    Be careful out there Jim. Many brave hearts are asleep in the deep, so beware, be-e-e-e-ware. ( I can never hit that bottom bass note) And you beat me to the ski tracks, I'm slacking. Feels like when Lucy Van Pelt says she never eats December snowflakes, they're just not ripe yet.
    Cheers

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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This 91 show is a real gem! Thanks for posting the link VGUY, I don't have Boxilla, but this Matrix sounds sweet!

Wrapping up Set 1 now! That Cassidy got DEEP! High Time was another highlight, but this has been an overall excellent listen!

Set II of Nashville yesterday went about as I expected. I enjoyed the energy of the LL>Supp opener, I'm always a sucker for Must Have Been the Roses, and then I admit I got a little lost in the Estimated jam, which does seem to just meander around. The Eyes is speedy, which is not my favorite type, but it was ok, then Drums, which in 78 is almost always too long, NFA, Wharf Rat (late set highlight) Sugar Mags, OMSN - all fine versions, but not too exciting. I think I do like this pick slightly more than DaP7 - Normal, but I agree with GOGD, it was nice to dust this one off, but I think it'll get popped back on the shelf for a while.

Also, Good Ole - I am planning on checking out that 4/22/77 show - I just DL'd it and I think I will cue it up after DiP12, though I know that one so well I may just pop in for some highlights (of which there are MANY!)

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

Gotta go - they just opened set II with Help On the Way!

Peace

...er, a, I can’t keep up! The posts, the POTDs, pant, pant, this is becoming like a job....so I’ve had to miss a few. That’s ok, I didn’t need to hear some of those.
Did dig the JGB live, always a favorite. Top shelf all the way; Audio, tunes, and the band is definetly peak period.
DPs 12: yeah, haven’t heard this one much, prolly too much other competing new stuff to constantly chase? But I’ve always loved this one. I don’t necessarily mind some of the chopped picks when their sort of sequential and/or make sense flow wise. Don’t dig the “cut up” method.
9/10/91: this will be next fo shure, whenever that might be! I might be a couple a few Mississippi Halfsteps behind, but I’m with ya! Rock on folks!

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... God, I love this song.
Engraved on my wedding ring - "I'd rather be with you."

Peace

EDIT: What an overall wonderful show! Great pick! What's on for tomorrow?

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Yeah, I was bored.

I wanted to see how the audio spectrums reacted to Slipknot!

Thanks for watching!

Good show with B. M. Love the Shakedown opener, C.C Rider is good and that Dylan song was different. Help, Slip, Franklins was strong as well for that era. Definitely a change of pace. Thanks.

I think we owe FourWinds a pick?

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....I've done two. I don't wanna bogart the joint here.
I'm in PST. At eleven, if there isn't a pick, my hand will be forced.

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....looks fun!! No clue how fixable feet plays into it, but looks fun nonetheless!

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Dave's Picks 3: 10/22/71 and filler from 10/21/71

Disc 3 from 10/21 only, Dark Star> Sitting> Dark Star and a St, Stephen> JBG

Thanks All

Maybe will here from Doc.

ps. Shake IT, Shake It, Sugaree!!!

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Bolo24, you didn't show your work!

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Morning!

Alright, got some good stuff peaking out here today. Nice Work You All!

FOURWINDSBLOW picks 10/22/71 & 10/21 Filler - Gonna Jam That

Also Mentioned: 04/29/80 - The Famous “Fixable Foot” show! (Wink, wink, nod, nod BOLO & Haha @Zomby Wolf)

Recorded by none other than famous Taper Joani Walker.

I’ve got a lot of tapes with her name on it as the source, not just the shows she recorded, but lots of 1st Generation SBDs!

It’s an honor to spin one of her recordings this morning.

And if this Jack Straw is any example of where this show goes… hold on to your hat!! WOW!

You’ve done it again people, another good day to listen to the Dead:)

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Yea bolo..

Didn't show your work, …… No Prize For You!

Now that I see the show, the clues were so obvious. Fixable Foot. Fixable, seven letters, 4/29/80 was the seventh performance of 1980

01/13/80- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA
03/30/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
03/31/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/01/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/05/80- NBC Studios - New York City, NY
04/28/80- Boutwell Auditorium - Birmingham, AL
04/29/80- Fox Theater - Atlanta, GA

Foot. This involves a little history of the Fox Theatre. You see, when the theatre was built, the owners also purchased the “Mighty Mo”, the 3,622-pipe Möller organ or Foot Organ, "that remains the largest Möller theatre organ in the world even today. "

So simple.. of course, the fixable foot show. I can't believe we missed this. I am going out to amazon right now and ordering some of those processed from jellyfish memory enhancement pills. This sheltering in place stuff is making us all weak.

Have a good day all.

es·o·ter·ic
/ˌesəˈterik/ - adjective

1. intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.

Wow... That's amazing.

BOLO24.. @JIMINMD should get some kind of consolation prize?

Reading that made my morning.

So impressed.. and this Fox 4/29/80 show is good!

I think Jerry partied on the set break though, he seems to have forgotten some of the words...
but he still knows how to play and PITB Jam is super Cool sounding!

Thanks @JIMINMD for showing me how it's done!

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9/10 a elegant show played very loud,
6/28 a rockin' show played very loud.

hahaha

Listened to the first few songs last night. That MNS starts off clunky but then really picks up. From what I heard last night it sounds more like an 84 than an 83. Will finish the show today.

While listening last night I remembered that a few days earlier I realized that I have video of that show. It’s partial and includes a few songs from 9/4. It’s a VTS folder which is used for burning DVD-R’s, but the file can also be mounted on a computer desktop and viewed that way.
If anyone wants a copy let me know, I already uploaded it to Google Drive.

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This was another show I had in mind. Is it okay if we do this instead or for tomorrow?

I think I remember this show was pretty good.

ps. Jeez check out Phil on Bird Song don't know if I ever heard it played like that.

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Maybe I had to much too fast.

Here's an Updated list of what's come before through today 4/24/20 (I think):
1967-10-22 - Anthem 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-06)
1968-02-23 & 24 DiP V22 (2020-04-09)
1969-01-24, 25 & 26 - Aoxomoxoa 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-12)
1970-04-15 - 30 Trips (2020-04-15)
1971-10-21 & 22 - Dap 3 (2020-04-14)
1972-04-16 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-16)
1972-04-17 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-17)
1972-08-25 - Dap V24 - (SUGGESTED for 2020-04-25)
1972-11-15 & 17 - DaP V11 (2020-04-07)
1973-02-26 & 28 DiP V28 (2020-04-18)
1973-11-30 & 12-02 - DiP 14 (2020-04-13)
1976-09-25 & 09-28 - DiP 20 (2020-04-20)
1978-02-03, 04 & 05 - DiP V18 (2020-04-06)
1978-04-22 - DaP V15 (2020-04-22)
1979-12-26 & 28 - DiP V5 & RT 3.1 (2020-04-07)
1980-04-29 - Audience by Joani Walker (2020-04-24)
1980-11-30 - DaP V8 (2020-04-19)
1983-09-10 & 11 - SBDs (2020-04-08)
1989-07-12 - RFK Box (2020-04-15)
1990 - JGB Released 1991 (2020-04-21)
1991-09-10 - 30 Trips (2020-04-23)

The following shows were also Mentioned
1969-04-21
1973-02-09
1973-02-15
1973-09-08
1973-12-01
1974-06-26 & 28 - DiP V12
1977-04-21
1977-06-07
1979-09-01
1980-09-02
1980-10-10
1982-04-10 - Jerry
1983-04-16 & 04-17
1984-04-20 & 21
1985-11-01
1989-07-13
1989-09-12

I’m listening to 10/22/71 now, as I don’t think I jumped on this thread until around 4/15 ish.. yeah the Days & the Dead are starting to blend together… it's the supplies!

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....Don't Ease as a second set opener is pretty fun!! Passenger kicked ass!
8.25.72 for Saturday sounds grate. It even features a OMSN!!! Just exactly perfecto!
GOGD....Daves 15 was 4.22.78 not 77.

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Jim's answer is better - that took some work (and a slightly unhinged thought process - I like that!). I agree, he deserves a consolation prize, just for including the umlaut in Möller! Jim - send me your address and I'll shoot something your way.

OK, here's the original solution. The only two-word anagram for Fixable Foot that uses all the letters is Lifeboat Fox. A quick Google search would show that Oscar-nominated "Lifeboat" was the only film made for 20th Century Fox by Alfred Joseph Hitchcock. And, of course, Sir Hitchcock met his demise on April 29, 1980. But not at Atlanta's Fox Theater - he left in disgust after Jerry had that major brain fart during Terrapin Station!

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That sounds good. Thanks.

4/29/80 Jack Straw!

Thanks for the list.

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Bolo24 - Amazing & Funny in one post.. Nice Work!

VGuy72 - Gotta Love a Good Editor!! Thank you, Edit made.
My thoughts on Don't Ease & Passenger Exactly!
BTW Nice work keeping up on the Avatars, I'm enjoying that. Well Done

FOURWINDSBLOW - I think that Jack Straw is ultimately the best song played that night, SMOKER!
And Nice Pick... Anything '72 will do..
Lemieux sounded like '72 is essentially his favorite year, I mean I'm reading between the lines in his comments, but yeah.. that's what it sounded like.

And this 10/22/71 is sounding super GOOD, I love a '71 Black Peter, might be my favorite year for that song.. not sure about that.

This is fun you guys!

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Sorry was not trying yo ignore you brother. Great pick!

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No harm, no foul, no worries :) Dave's 3 is one of my favorite of the series!

I really tried to get Bolo's game, but after seeing the rationale, I was not on the same plane of reasoning. Would have never gone the Hitchcock direction. I did originally get Fox Theater though!

So, is Bolo's "Fixable Foot" show, 4/29/80, today's pick?

Peace

Edit: It looks like the answer to my question is "yes." Firing it up now! Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Ditto on FOURWINDSBLOWS post

I think you said it perfectly yesterday -

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

And I gave special attention to SOTM yesterday in your honor :)

....but you are savage sometimes with these contests. (Lifeboat is a great movie btw). 4.29.80 is the pick of the day. I missed the Dave's 3 pick, so that will be next so i can ketchup.

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Dave gets paid to do this.

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laguna seca 5.9.87. Touch of grey video shot that night. Dog took drummers leg/foot. Roadie put it back.
That was my first one.
Googled fixable foot. Brought me to club feet. A foot is 12 inches. Club Twelve. A non-profit. Which happens to reside in San Antonio, Texas. San Antonio Civic Auditorium. 11.12.71.
That was my second one. I, apparently, need to think outside the box (of rain) more often for these.

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Mind Blown... Just Think!

Wow... I do it for free, I'd def do it for money.. but even BETTER!

@VGUY72, @OTIS @FOURWINDSBLOW, etc.. Dave's 3 is the SICK!

Early Comes A Time.. so good, extra verses, Jerry's reading of it, gots to be my favorite year for that song. So much good on this here release..

I'm glad this came on today cause it sounds just exactly perfect!

My 1st was 10/29/85 - Anagrams of Fox (Theater) and TOO - this show is at the Fox, has an Other One, and a Brokedown Palace (ref. something "fixable.") Also, the first set was cut short due to technical difficulties, another "fixable" problem.

Second guess was Lyceum 5/26/72 - It is the show that TOO was taken from to make-up the "Epilogue/Prelude" sections of the original E72 Lp, which prominently features a foot in need of fixing on the cover. I went this way after Bolo's comment that I needed to "go a little bit further" than I had before, so I went across the Atlantic.

Now I see that both guesses were woefully simple. Still, a fun game!

As to today's show - this raging Passenger is a perfect follow-up to that gorgeous Peggy-O! Another day, another great pick!

Peace

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Just wait til' you get to the "Dark Star>Sitting On Top of the World> Dark Star>Bobby McGee"! One of the best segments of any Dave's Pick so far, in my (very) humble opinion.

Glad you're digging on it! Forensic Doc's love of 71 inspired me to check it out more, and now it is one of my favorite years for the band.

Peace

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Can't wait, 10/22 Rocked!

Early Keith TIFTOO Kills.. It's unreal that he'd just joined the band.

Hitting up 10/21 after lunch, can't wait!

'71 is special
One of my first bootlegs was 4/29/71, I played it to death.
When I got back into collecting Dead after a long break, I got a hold of that Houseboat RT release and the China > Rider brought tears to my eyes as I realized what I'd been missing.

It's not my go to year cuz there's just so many other great years.. but it'll always be special to me!

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

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....i think i speak for all of us that we would have all been a sweaty mess. Nice Playin' jam in that second set too. I give this show 7.2 goonie birds out of 10. (if you went to shows in '88-'89, you know what i mean).

I got a Goonie Bird at my first show in '86.. It was totally Goonie, I wasn't sure if what I was seeing was real or not.

I agree.. that Bertha is full on!

Man, seeing a show. Those were the days.

I think it's a young persons game, but I was young and dug it!

Hi-Five!

You beat me by 2 1/2 months, went to Riverbend 6/30/86 shortly after my 16th birthday:)

I remember going into the place it looked like an amusement park or something, again I was having trouble trusting what I was seeing, it was super hot and there was tie-dye everywhere and that goonie bird..

I can't remember a lot of things, but I've got some memories from that day that I always smile about.

There was a running dialogue all day I kept picking up on. It went something like:
Man it's Hot Out, You got your ticket?, It's Gonna Be a Good Show.. Man it's Hot Out, You Got your ticket? It's Gonna Be a Good Show..

I'd check my pockets every time. It's funny what you remember.

EDIT: Supplication Jam > Let It Grow!! You lucky Dog You!

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I was at this show, soundboard was taking up our reserved seats so they pulled out some nice padded chairs and put us right at the soundboard. I would have never guessed this was the pick. 2 word anagram, was that part of the clue? Missed that. What I remember (almost 40 years now) about this show was the Jack Straw opener, always loved a Jack Straw opener, got the crowd into it right off, the Passenger being really good, but I'm bias, I've always loved that tune. The second set with Don't ease as the opener, we all looked at each other and went "odd", the Lost Sailor>Saint being very nice. Of course the most remembered part was the awesomeness of the Fox Theatre itself, what a beautiful place and the planetarium ...wow, the sun went down the band came on, it got dark, the stars came out and we went to space and the band played on as the dawn approached, all inside that beautiful theatre. I do believe it is the nicest venue I have ever seen a band at, early 20th century decor, that carpet and those drapes, those bathrooms with the attendant, just so cool. Maybe not the best dead show, but I will never forget it. I've got the ticket stub around here somewhere, sparkles on the Grateful Dead lettering, if I find it, I'll post a pic of it.