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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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January 24, 2022 - 3:52am

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daverock

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The classics

Would it be fair to say that a classic show is one where they play a typical set list for the year, but to an exceptional standard?
Some shows seem to have attained "classic" status over the years. Shows that have been written about by acclaimed Deadheads, and which somehow seem more than the sum of their parts. All the obvious ones- 2/14/68, the Fillmore West shows from Spring 1969, Fillmore East February 1970, Binghampton 5/2/70 etc etc. On up to Winterland New Years Eve 1978, which plays like a grande finale to the 70's - 12 months early. Obviously a subjective view !

Egypt 1978 seem to me to be classic shows on account of their circumstances more than the bands actual playing. I do think the Veneta Fairgrounds show from August 1972 is exceptional...but I sometimes wonder if that has been accorded legendary status, to some extent, on account on its circumstances. There are pages and pages about it in the Deadheads Taping Compendium. Is it really so much better than lesser known shows from Fall 1972?
January 23, 2022 - 6:11am

#2752

JimInMD

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January 1970

Never enough 1970. I'm in. Been a while since I have listened to this one also. I'm expanding this to include 1/24 we we get an always welcome Mason's Children and Dancing in the Streets

Edit: We might have done this recently.. which is fine with me
January 23, 2022 - 5:06am

#2753

Forensicdoceleven

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Classics never make a comeback........

Fellow rockers!!

I forgot to put this out there...............

What is a classic show? Can it be defined? Is it based on facts, or feeling? I know what "my classics" are, what are yours? If there are too many, does the idea get diluted?

I'm interested in people's thoughts, in a conceptual sort of way............

Doc
Periodically, I return to the classics for inspiration and refreshment.......
January 23, 2022 - 4:48am

#2754

Forensicdoceleven

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The purpose of life is a life of purpose…….

Hey, rockers!!!

Pick of the day: Honolulu, Hawaii, January 23, 1970

Officially released as a Dave’s Pick in August 2016, here we have an interesting look at the band just prior to the classic Fillmore West/East shows of February 1970, when they were still in the process of transitioning from the large jam format to a more song oriented approach.

Which isn’t to say there aren’t big jams here, because there are. An Other One AND a Dark Star. Plus some new Workingman’s Dead material, cowboy songs, and greasy Pigpen material. Can’t go wrong with all that………..

It seems that sometimes official releases get shelved, neglected, oft time forgotten. This one is worth revisiting, as is the “bonus material” from the following night (which includes another Black Peter, more Pigpen, and the rare Mason’s Children).

Farewell, TC……

As far as official releases go, we can’t always get what we want, but we get what we need……

Enjoy!!!

Doc
Every man regards his own life as the New Year's Eve of time…..
January 23, 2022 - 4:43am

#2755

Forensicdoceleven

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Well, any good comeback needs some true believers…….

Hey, rockers!!!

It seems I just can’t stay away. Perhaps I have too much free time on my hands. Maybe I’m just addicted to deadnet…………

What unfolds now is a series of intermittent, occasional, never predictable but always reverent excursions into the underrated, underappreciated shows of the 1968-1972 era. Follow along as we explore the curvilinear sonic history of the early Grateful Dead. Officially released, as well as not so. No Classics, and no 71s. Gems and duds. The bitter with the sweet……

Dust off the shelves---and the hard drives---as we revisit so many gems lost in the glare of official releases and Miller remasters…………

This won’t be an every day thing, maybe three or four times a month, lol until I find something better to do!

Let’s play!!

Doc
Making a comeback is one of the most difficult things to do with dignity……
January 22, 2022 - 12:00pm

#2756

DeadVikes

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79 and 86

Good way to pop the cherry OB, and you get a Dark Star to boot. Must have been a good experience and the end of another era of the Dead. Aud recording is decent, maybe someday a SB will pop up

Enjoying 12/30/86 in Oakland Otis. Nice sounding Miller transfer from 2017. Nice Althea, Cumberland, Esau, TMNS to end the first set. China Rider to start the second set. Good call on this one Otis. The return of Jerry and the boys. It only gets better from here.
January 22, 2022 - 10:30am

#2757

Oroborous

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Ha

No electronic devices were involved, hey I was just barely 16 and hadn’t even been smoking weed very long lol.
I didn’t go electric until my tenth show, which I think was a good way to go/grow?
Hell, I was naturally high! just being there, but plenty more weed than my teeny bopper head had ever seen before lol.
After going to concerts for a year, and seeing a cross section of radio favorites etc, the Dead blew my perceptions of everything R&R out the window! I’d been getting more and more prepped and ready to see them for over a year and FINALLY got the chance. One of the greatest days of my life!

Now, it’s kinda a weird show, I mean you can feel the weird energy, which is understandable all things considered. The energy sort of ebbs and flows but often peaks nicely. Kieth is all over the place: sometimes engaged and his usual self, other times you’d swear he wasn’t even there…obviously end of the line, though I didn’t know any all of that back then.
But overall it has some great peaks, and I love the Other one through drums and that cool little jam with a Serengeti feel, then quick tag of TOO before sliding into DS. Not the greatest show ever,but historically and enjoyably a nice way to get yer cherry popped! Good aud tape too! I d been listening to my shitty digitized cassette version for years and finally heard a much better recording this time around!

I agree on the Miracle> Bertha> Good Lovin’ theme. It was cool and had nice flow when they first started doing it, but by this point it was starting to feel stale. (not that I knew that then) I was talking to my buddy BOO469 who was in the balcony and he reminded me that the balcony was shaking so hard during Bertha, that the venue was worried and had to have it checked out before allowing another Rock show lol.

Thanks to y’all for the Xmass suggestions. We’ll check it out.
BC, I don’t, or didn’t know much about Bill Evans except the Kinda Blue connection. When I had the Ref 3 in to its maker last year, he loaded a couple of Hi Res albums on there and sorta like with the dead: I’d listened, but not really heard, then, lightning struck and we’ve been “diggin’ Bill Evans” big time ever since. Santa brought the Everyone Digs BE, AND the Everybody Still Digs box set, plus the complete Village Vanguard recordings.
Obviously, I’ve not scratched the surface of that plus a whole stack of other stuff too! Ho, Ho, Ho indeed!
But like most things, the down side has been less dead, but a full cleanse was needed after the big year last trip round the sun: all the 71s except about a dozen early in the year, a few dozen 81s, a bunch of hot 91s, along with most of the cool picks here, and of course some free range freaking too!
Looking forward to concentrating on 82, 92, obviously some 72, with a little 67, 77, and 87. But I’m not there yet, have to finish phase one of my music project first, but that’s starting to get really teadious, so I’m going to have to start getting in some shows next week, need more balance, and time lol, now if only I didn’t need to sleep lol.
ONWARD
January 21, 2022 - 3:58pm

#2758

JimInMD

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Oro

One hell of a second set. Holy cow.

Plus.. it's got a Pretty Peggy-O and a Jack Straw first set opener before we even get to the good stuff.

Predisclosure.. I tire of I need Bertha's Good Lovin'. Sorry.. personal reasons and often a waste of a good Bertha, but this one if spirited and moves along just fine so forgive me.

But they sure did find their groove upon their return to stage. Sweet second set from start to finish. Really nice show, what a baptism.

I gotta ask.. were psychedelics involved?
January 20, 2022 - 1:14pm

#2759

1stshow70878

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Bluecrow

That Tacoma Christmas with John Fahey Vol.ll (TAK-7045) has been our favorite non-traditional X-mas album since the mid 80's. Didn't break that out this year though. Found too many traditional various artist hardware/tire store gems the last couple of years at Triple Play Records (G.J.,CO) and the salvation army for a pittance. Love the second side where he gets a little weird with the bent chords on his Christmas Fantasy pts.1 & 2. Never found him until then and only through his assoc. with Leo Kottke. Two amazing guitarists!
Cheers
January 20, 2022 - 1:12pm

#2760

DeadVikes

Joined:
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Picks

Alright!

Good to hear from you all.

Looks like we have some picks. So 1/20/79 from OB and 12/30/86 from Otis.
I will work them in in the next couple of days.

Okay sounds like a plan.

By the way I believe the 1/18/70 show from Doc was a fooler and a test. As mentioned this show was released as Download Series #2.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Orange Sunshine

I remember Buffalo '90 we had motel room like right across the street from the stadium I know it was in walking distance. Anyway we went up a day ahead and went to The Anchor Bar for wings and pizza. Then we went to The Falls Canadian side my buddy had family up there. That night we got back to the room we took the bed spread off the beds and went down where they were camping and stayed up all night eating Orange Sunshine and drinking Fosters.

1969-05-23 - Road Trip!

I know it’s a surprise, but the Highlight = Dark Star > St. Stephen > Eleven > Lovelight

The Infamous Dark Star Suite of ’69!

Dark Star
If I waxed poetic, I’d go on and on about this Dark Star, but mostly I wanna say, it’s got the Vibraslap, and I love the Vibraslap, especially in Dark Star, and therefore I love this Dark Star.

St. Stephen!
Can’t beat a Classic Version like this. You get the Xylophone, Cannon, William Tell Bridge, it’s all there. This is a great St. Stephen of old.

The Eleven
It’s good! Crazy good you ask? Well.. Crazy good might be a bit much, but it’s good I say!

Turn On Your Lovelight
Sir Ron McKernan aka Pigpen with his blues and soul. I’ve come to feel that Pigpen is a tragic figure, and the band would forever change with his passing, but here he is young and alive and that’s how I like to remember him.
Cause she’s got Box-backed nitties… what’s he say?!?!? (Let’s leave that for the scholars)
Calm down Bobby.. it’s no time for screaming like that!

Alright, well.. that was fun.
I guess I should put on the next show and follow my bliss.
5/24/69 you’re up next…

Note:
When they rehearsed and played St. Stephen with regularity, like in 1969, it was such an amazing song.. alas Jerry would remark that he felt that the song was a cop and due to that and less time spent rehearsing, St. Stephen would leave the garden.

If you watch the Grateful Dead Movie with the director’s commentary, Susan Crutcher tells a pretty fascinating story about how, she wanted to include St. Stephen in the section with the photo montage and Jerry was like, we don’t even play that song anymore, and Susan said yeah but it’s sooo good. And while listening to the song repeatedly during the editing process, Jerry’s interest got peaked and that led to the band resurrecting the song in 1976. The story holds water as they were editing the movie in ’76 when St. Stephen came back. Not to mention Susan strikes me as a cool person who would have no reason to embellish a story like that. I found that to be pretty cool and wanted to share.

I love St. Stephen of old!

FOURWINDSBLOW: How much of that there Orange Sunshine did you eat? That's the question...

GOGD-OSS

Enough! That's all I'm saying.

There were just the three of us out of ten that went to the camping site, we were the crazed of the group. The next morning when we went back to the motel room waking everyone up with a hearty breakfast of Orange Sunshine.

Good Show! CSN and The Dead! We went in early and sat right up in front of Jerry.

RE: OSS

FWB - That sounds like Good Times!

You seen that Doc on Orange Sunshine? Pretty fascinating.

That and Heads by Jesse Jarnow.

So much info. Such a Taboo subject... You gotta love it!

Oh Yeah

I just remembered that right before set 2 the band on the stage and the camera rolling a camera guy center stage got me giving the thumbs up as he panned the crowed I know he saw me cause he smiled. Hope it makes it on the official video.

7/16/90

Check out Bucket> Half Step if ya wanted to listen to more that would be okay.

https://archive.org/details/gd1990-07-16.sbd.miller.95782.sbeok.flac16/…

I have a cool story about taking mexican quaaludes at a show....

....I'll fill you in later.
I have a pick to throw into the ring. It's not official, and I'm sure most have you have heard it, although maybe not in a long time (like me). 10.16.81 Club Melk Weg. Amsterdam. Bobby's birthday. One acoustic set. One electric. Borrowed instruments. High AF on hashish. Lovelight bustout after nine years. It's a really fun show. My two sense.
https://archive.org/details/gd1981-10-16.sbd.miller.110351.flac16/gd81-…

Taboo Subject, Let the Good Times Roll

Not sure why this would be a taboo subject here.. the band certainly didn't try to hide it. Besides.. most of this is folklore by now, happening between 55 and 25 years ago. It could be just because I am old and in the way.. but you don't see or hear of it that much these days.

I enjoy reading peoples stories, most of which (probably all that are told on these threads) by far predate any statute of limitation. Like it or leave it, this is American and World History. Let the good times roll (deja que los buenos tiempos pasen, deixe os bons tempos rolarem, laissez le bon temps rouler).

Edit: Speaking of LSD, I finished discs 1 and 2, 3 later. Still one of my favorite 69 releases behind FW and Fillmore Auditorium. I agree with the Good Ole GD.. disc one probably delivers the goods and is the highlight, but my favorite is disc 2 simply because He Was a Friend of Mine > The Eleven speaks to me... As for disc three, I have never met a Morning Dew or an Alligator I did not like. Even the squatty little yeller one with no tail.

vguy 10/16/81 Melk Weg

There was a video of both shows on Youtube, a few years ago, don't know if it is still out there!!

Back to Pow Wow....

....i never met an Alligator i didn't like, and i really like this one. Love the Feedback as well. Great show!!

Mmmmm.....Melk Weg

https://youtu.be/WvvYChZTXMw

https://youtu.be/b4p1zBuqYDk

5-23/24/69 Pow Wow RT 4.1(?)

I actually was awarded this for a prize back in 2010 for the inaugural version of 30 Days of Dead. It was on the 5th day and the song was Playing in the Band from 5/20/73 UCSB. As I recall it was a totally random guess! Funny the things we remember (and what we forget!)

Re: Pow Wow

Couldn't have happened to a better person.

Pow Wow Wow

Had a good time listening to 5/23 & 24/69 today.

The opening Lovelight almost seems to be a prankster response to the rookie mc telling people to be seated... never trust a prankster.

All the banter is fun. The difference between the closing Lovelight & opening Lovelight was interesting as well.
The opening Lovelight seemed to be much more exploratory with different themes being introduced, especially around 14:30, Jerry gets into a cool groove. The Drums > St. Stephen transition was a trip too.

Good stuff all around.

Milkweg is cool, I like Milkweg

11/17/73 Dap 5 is calling me too, I can feel it's pull.

WILFREDTJONES - 30 Days, look forward to it every year, and that's a good prize! Thanks Dead.net for being cool.

JIMINMD - I agree! That subject should not be taboo. May the human exploration into the cosmos and beyond continue!

Alright you all, keep on rockin' looking forward to the next pick here and in my mailbox.. shipping noticed received!

Be Well

Tomorrow's Pick

What's on tap for tomorrow?

Jimbo, good to see you over here. Time for a pick. Send us one.

Still no shipping notice here.

Pick

Oh,.. the pressure. I am not good at this. But since we are on the best sounding of the road trips. I would humbly suggest either the WOS road trips (6/18/74) or the 5/15/70 Road Trips.

If I had my way.. I would pick Louisville 74 in honor of the eminent release (Road Trips Vol 2 No 4). One other ask.. on or about the first received date of the next Dave's Picks. Would it be possible / make sense to hold this show open for a week so both the folks that get it first have time to comment and the folks that get a day (or six) later have time to participate? Seems reasonable to me. So a week and day of 1974?

Pick

We could do 'From Egypt With Love?' Mix it up a little.

Real great Stella Blue even with the audience patch.

Pick TOO

I want to pick a show Vguy saw. It was his second and it cooks!

Jim's Pick

Good choice, let's do The RT.2.3. Shows from 6/16 and 6/18 74.

I like your idea for Dave's #34.

FourWinds, let's hit up The From Egypt with Love RT tomorrow. 10/21 and 10/22 78. I have not listened to this one in a while.

Thanks guys.

Deadvikes Egypt with love tomorrow

How funny i was grilling last night and I listened to half of the first CD!! Now i have a reason to listen to the rest.. bob t

orange sunshine

there was orange sunshine in the 90's? I only remember it back in the 60's and early 70's and it was the bomb, 4 way hits, which meant you only needed to take a quarter of a hit and they were kinda small, so it was quite easy to take a bit too much. :o fun times indeed. Did some yellow sunshine back then too, it was suppose to be 8 way, never did more than a crumb of that stuff, talk about mind blown. They don't make it like that anymore.
Mexican quaaludes, mandrax I think they were called, not the same as 714's but still lots of fun, they had an antihistamine in the mix to help keep you awake the first 30 mins or so, then it was all fun and stumbling and falling and laughing and feeling invincible, sure wish they hadn't outlawed that drug, one on my favorites. Ever try ludes and acid together? wow, what an experience that was, add some black nepalese hash on top and you are now in heaven. Back in those days, it was ok to have a trove of drugs, like Hunter Thompson said in fear and loathing:
"We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers...and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can." and push it we did.

O S

If it wasn't O S it was very good and very clean. After our first dabble we stayed up all night looking for the girl that had it bought a bunch and ate it all day. Don't want to put misinfo out there but, thats what she called it, we had a good time.

6.18.74 sounds most excellent (Wyld Stallyns guitar riff)....

....cueing it up now on the Archive (i don't own the physical copy). Avatar updated. Four winds says he wants top pick a show i saw? I recently listed my attended shows if you want to look. Just don't choose 5.19.95. Yuck. Vocal drop outs during the Freedom Hall Promised opener. Good ole Wall Of Sound.

Vguy

Check your PM.

Wall of Sound

Many happy Road Trips over the years. Just finishing 5/23/69 lovelight . Amazing all the changes from live-dead era into Workingman’s era , nothing short of phenomenal creative drive.
There were a few lackluster Dead shows in the 70s ,but I never went to one back then that was less than amazing.
Would like to see a board tape of UCSB May 74 with Great American String Band set official release. Maria was real hot also. 74 was a banner year.
Seminole Powwow kicked ass. Dark Star was super improvisational . The 11 was exciting . Love-Light was also reflective of the youthful vigor of the band at that time.
Miss Indian World ,Cheyenne Kippenberger 2019-2021, is from the Hollywood , Florida Band of Seminole Tribe. Met her in Albuquerque during Gathering of Nations Powwow a year ago. She’s a real good person from one of the strongest of all the tribes in the country.
I still nominate 5/2/70 for this Saturday on its 50th anniversary .

Vguy

I suggested the 2nd ever show you saw. I thought this show had some unique Jerry playing on it especially for the time period. If we don't get to listen to it I'll understand but, maybe you can give your take on it I thought it was good for the time.

Ps. Fun fact, though I've never counted till today I got 28 of the 39 I saw on video.

You mean Anaheim Stadium?....

....it's View From The Vault 1. Maybe a video of the day with discussion is in order?
6.18.74's Ramble-On Rose was so good, i played it twice!!
pm checked

Meet Up At The Movie

Quarantine style. Sounds good!

Pick has Started = Contact High

Alright, firing up 6/16/74 and already WOW on Sound Quality and playing on China Cat..

My Completist OCD has prevented me from frequent listening of this & from Egypt with Love.
It might be cool to hear them both again in their compilation order... already struggling with the whole notion of rearranged songs.. Deep Breath.. they sound good.

Talking about Orange Sunshine, Mexican Quaaludes, Ludes & Acid, HST gave me a nice Contact Buzz!

Thanks UNKLE SAM & FWB for that.. Keep ‘em coming.

I was still tripping from the Great Pow Wow! Both nights rocked real good. I dug that.

He Was A Friend & Death Don't were real good too hear again, along with all the rest of that psychedelic stuff.

Good times!

Meet Up At The Movies Quarantine Style sounds Awesome!

Shake up the Shakedown Stream.. with a little bonus footage:)

This Eyes sounds real nice..

EDIT: And 5/2/70 Anniversary sounds promising as well!!

The Logistics....

....to have everyone cue up View From The Vault at the same time would be incredibly incredible. Zoom Meeting?!

RE:VGUY72 - Zoom Meeting

Bad Ass!

ZoooooooooooM!....

....I'm considered essential, but I'm off this Saturday and Sunday. jUSt SaYIn'.

6/16

Eyes, Playin. Nice! Nobodys Jam, now were going old school. Love it!

RE: Zoom Vault View

VGUY - Saturday works for me! PST

And 6/16 Eyes > Stronger Than Dirt > Big River is super!

Keith's piano... is he using a pedal or what's going on there?

Video pick?

If nobody has interest in the '87 Anaheim second choice would be in honor of the resident care-taker of the Vault, the man on the inside. With Dave's very first pick 'Truckin' Up To Buffalo' '89.

RE: Video Pick?

FWB - 4/10/20 - Shakedown Stream was "Truckin' Up To Buffalo" but 7/7/89 "Crimson White & Indigo" might have you in the crowd somewhere? Haven't seen that in awhile.

I'm down for View From The Vault V1 or '87 or whatever, just maybe something other than "Truckin' Up To Buffalo" as I just watched that recent. Just sayin'

DL said this week Shakedown Stream would be Closing of Winterland.

Alright, stoked to hear this 6/16/74 PITB for 28 minutes, but gotta wait till later and take care of some business first...

Be Well you All

GOGD

Yeah I forgot they did the '89 show but , The one I was talking about that i could be on film was Buffalo '90. Sorry for any confusion. JFK '89 we were in the bleachers half way back Jerry, Brent side.

I have the opener and the main act on audience video from Buffalo '90.

6/18/74

Had to cue this one up on archive too, (and will tomorrow's "From Egypt" pick.) I really don't know why I slept on these Road Trip releases - I guess I was put off by the cut-up nature. Oh well - LMA is a-ok with me :) Just now on "Roses."

I had to run out for my weekly grocery trip yesterday, and Sirius was playing "To Lay Me Down" from Jai-Alai - sounded very good, though I am not sure if it was the soon to be delivered version or not.

I know that many here already know this, but if not, the Freedom Hall show "Eyes" is the version that Holly Bowling does on solo piano. She apparently transcribed the whole jam. I have never directly compared them note for note, but her version is really great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voLdRQ-19dc

EDIT: She actually does her own "version" of the verses, but the jam is transcribed. On "BTW" and it looks like the WoS has settled in and is sounding better - still some vocal drops, but the band sounds incredible!

Peace